Re: Updated Iron Results - TIBC

[Guest guest]

Hi Jot,

Thank you for the encouraging response. I do feel a little better, but it is

hard to single out what is driving that. I am now up to one grain of Armour,

still on 27mg of HC, salt 2x per day in water, etc.

It is good to make progress. I did notice on a few days when I took 150mg of

iron, it was too much so I have tried to eat a lot more iron rich foods and

make sure I take digestive enzymes with each meal. I will keep going .

Thanks!

Jen

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> I would say your TIBC is low due to anemia. There are other reasons for low

TIBC but these probably don't apply unless you have a family history, etc.:

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> A low TIBC, UIBC, or transferrin may occur if you have hemochromatosis,

certain types of anemia in which iron accumulates, malnutrition, inflammation,

liver disease, or nephrotic syndrome, a kidney disease that causes loss of

protein in urine.

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> http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/tibc/test.html

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> As far as keeping your iron supplementing slow and steady, that is best

because excess iron consumed all at once causes vomiting, diarrhea and damage to

the intestine. Your ferritin levels have increased nicely in 6 weeks which is

very inspiring. If you keep that up, you'll be in great shape in the next 9

months. Congrats on the rise !! How are you feeling with this increase? Have any

symptoms subsided or do you feel a bit more energy? Once you're ferritin levels

are up to 70 or so you should feel pretty good. The best level for women is a

ferritin level of 120. You have a way to go, but it looks like it is building

nicely.....

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> Cheers,

> JOT

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[Guest guest]

Something I just found...

TIBC measures the amount of transferrin you have. Transferrin is a blood protein

that transports iron from the gut, where the iron is absorbed from food, to the

cells that use it. When iron stores are low, the body will make more transferrin

so that it can collect more iron absorbed from food and make more efficient use

of it. If there is too much iron coming from the gut, the body will reduce

production of transferrin so that less of the iron is taken up and transported

around the body.

So if someone is supplementing high doses of iron, wouldn't it make sense for

their TIBC to drop? Then that puts you in a complete circle where you should

not supplement as much iron so that it goes up again...

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> Hi,

> I just wanted to post my most recent iron results. My ferritin has gone up

from 31 to 44, which is not bad in 6 weeks ( I guess? ).

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> However, I have a low TIBC. I read I should only supplement iron at low levels

with a low TIBC. Can someone explain to me what a low TIBC means and should I

worry? Are the rest of my iron levels ok? Sat and Iron look good..at the top of

the range...

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> IRON 26.0 umol/L 6.6 - 26.0

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> T.I.B.C 48 umol/L 41 -77

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> TRANSFERRIN SATURATION 54 % 20 - 55

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> FERRITIN 44 ug/L 13 - 150

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> Thank you,

> Jen

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[Guest guest]

Ok..gotcha - I can't shoot the messenger. My serum and sat are good...both at

the top of the range and always have been good. So I will just keep up with the

iron rich diet and that will save me popping iron pills every day. One less

supplement is good .

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila, No, the level of ferritin at which you will start to feel *normal or

good again* is 70-90. The *best* level of ferritin for women is 120 and the

*best* level of ferritin for men is 150.

This is a repetitive problem where everyone repeats the information so much that

the original truth gets lost in translation. It happens all the time. Someone

emailed me about ferritin levels not long ago, and to be honest I don't know

where I got the info, but that I've known it for decades. I recently chatted

with my medical advisor and she knew that this was correct, but she didn't know

how she knew it either. So, I did a google search and found this: (in post #3

no states his ferritin level expectations)

http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170

You can always email him and ask where he gets his information, but he seems to

agree with us.

You can contact him:

http://www.definitivemind.com/

I believe that this information is somewhere in one of my PDRs but I have so

many, I don't know which one. Sorry, I can't be more helpful.

Cheers,

JOT

> hi JOT - I thought the recommended level of ferritin for a woman was between

> 70 and 90. Where has this information come from?

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> Luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

Hi Jen:

Whatever you decide to do, make sure from day one you write everything down in a

Jotter pad. Anytime you make a switch or start or end some procedure, if you

have notes and dates when you made the changes, you'll be able to look back and

find answers for yourself. Being your own researcher is important in any healing

regime.

It takes 90 days to build new red blood cells. I don't recommend testing for

ferritin until 6 months after you start iron supplementing because it takes a

while for things to straighten themselves out....but human nature will make us

want to test earlier :0) That always happens. We want to see the improvements

and if they aren't good we tend to sulk. :0) I'm no different than anyone else

here, but I've learned to let it go.

I will join you in your iron rich diet. There is nothing I love more than

steamed beets and spinach, with feta cheese sprinkled on top and balsalmic

viniagrette. :0) As far as the supplementing with iron every day, I would agree

with here because it is also what Dr. Jarvis recommends. As he states in

his book which was written back in 1986, the soil is depleted of nutients so no

matter how much iron or iodine we need in the body, we most certainly are not

getting that amount from our food sources. We must supplement to bring the

amount of nutients in the body up to par.

The other thing I would add here for your healing is to have some fun and enjoy

yourself. Take time to read an enjoyable/entertaining book or join the girls for

an evening of laughter. This helps the adrenals so much. Take time to smell the

roses :0)

Cheers,

JOT

I did notice on a few days when I took 150mg of iron, it was too much so I have

tried to eat a lot more iron rich foods and make sure I take digestive enzymes

with each meal. I will keep going .

[Guest guest]

Yes, he was responding to a man but his response included what he also felt was

needed for women.

" My current target is 150 for men, about 100-120 for women. "

Trying to find research to support this somewhere online may be difficult but if

I run across it in one of my books I will quote it for you here....I'm assuming

that won't be enough for you to convince the NHS though.....

I'll write to the guy at Natural News and see if he would do a blog on it....you

never know...

Cheers,

JOT

>I think the doctor no gave the 150 recommendation because he was

> responding to a man.

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> Luv - Sheila

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> Hi Sheila, No, the level of ferritin at which you will start to feel *normal

> or good again* is 70-90. The *best* level of ferritin for women is 120 and

> the *best* level of ferritin for men is 150.

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> This is a repetitive problem where everyone repeats the information so much

> that the original truth gets lost in translation. It happens all the time.

> Someone emailed me about ferritin levels not long ago, and to be honest I

> don't know where I got the info, but that I've known it for decades. I

> recently chatted with my medical advisor and she knew that this was correct,

> but she didn't know how she knew it either. So, I did a google search and

> found this: (in post #3 no states his ferritin level expectations)

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> http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170

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[Guest guest]

Quite the debate I started. One thing I will say is I do not agree with waiting

to test until 6 months later. You need to see if your body is absorbing the iron

or you may spend almost a year with no progress...that is not really necessary.

I am glad I got a test because it helped me see that A) I am making progress and

I probably can lower my dose to something more reasonable and carry on...but

I will probably re-test again in about 8 weeks to see what is happening. Testing

can never hurt and I think if you want to make that investment, it is worth it.

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> Hi Sheila, No, the level of ferritin at which you will start to feel *normal

or good again* is 70-90. The *best* level of ferritin for women is 120 and the

*best* level of ferritin for men is 150.

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> This is a repetitive problem where everyone repeats the information so much

that the original truth gets lost in translation. It happens all the time.

Someone emailed me about ferritin levels not long ago, and to be honest I don't

know where I got the info, but that I've known it for decades. I recently

chatted with my medical advisor and she knew that this was correct, but she

didn't know how she knew it either. So, I did a google search and found this:

(in post #3 no states his ferritin level expectations)

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> http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170

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> You can always email him and ask where he gets his information, but he seems

to agree with us.

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> You can contact him:

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> http://www.definitivemind.com/

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> I believe that this information is somewhere in one of my PDRs but I have so

many, I don't know which one. Sorry, I can't be more helpful.

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> Cheers,

> JOT

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> > hi JOT - I thought the recommended level of ferritin for a woman was between

> > 70 and 90. Where has this information come from?

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> > Luv - Sheila

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