Re: How do you know when you feel better

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I know this sounds like a silly question...but if a person

feel bad physically/mentally etc. for probably years....how do you know when

you are properly better. To me ANY improvement would be great but I don't want

to stop before I am optimal.

I would also like to know when first starting NDT...do you

gradually start feeling better? or Do you one day sort of notice...hey my body

isn't sore...I don't feel depressed....or golly I didn't fall asleep over

dinner?

Hi , once the tablets start working, you just KNOW you are

getting better, you start getting your brain back and your body starts to

function better than it has done for years and you start to do things you never

thought possible. I have attached a document 'How to Treat with Natural Thyroid

Extract'.

I am asking because I THINK I feel a little better but I

also think I feel worse...

You need to ensure you are not suffering with low levels of

ferritin, vitamin D12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc and you

need to know your adrenals are well supplemented and that you don't have any

Candida. Any of these will stop the thyroid hormone from getting into the

cells.

I am taking 2 grains one in the morning and one about 230pm.

I feel less tired but I also feel more achy and I feel as though I am trying to

catch something like a cold but it never happens and I've been feeling mildly

nauseous at certain parts of the day usually evening time.

I want to give NDT a fair trial....so would like other stories of how people

felt on the way to feeling GOOD,GREAT,HUMAN...again..lol

What dose of thyroid extract did you start on and how long

did you give it between dose increases? When you say you think you also feel

worse - please describe exactly what you feel?

Luv - Sheila

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> What dose of thyroid extract did you start on and how long did you give it between dose increases? I started with one grain and I was on that for a good 4 weeks or so before I started coming here....I then added half a grain in the afternoon for two weeks then added in the extra half in the afternoon so I am taking one in the morning and one in the afternoon.When you say you think you also feel worse - please describe exactly what you feel?I always have some level of joint pain but the last few days even my muscles have been more sore arms and shoulders mainly. I've been having some degree of nausea in the evenings. I feel as though I am catching a cold. The feeling of stuffiness in my head and feels like there is something in my eyes. But I never get a full blown cold. I have asthma and notice I seem to need my inhaler a little more than usual . I also have quite a lot of allergies....so the feeling of catching a cold could just be the allergies getting worse.Towards the evening I seem fine fatigue wise but the mornings I am often profoundly tired....to the point I want to phone in work and stay in bed...I still go in only because I know it will get better as the day goes on.I have also been getting what feels to me like mild fevers several times during the day. I only have the ear type thermometer but will get a regular one. When I feel hot and I check the temp it is often above 99 (normal for me is about 97.5) and my friends and family notice how flushed my face gets and ask if I feel ok. Also my fingers and top half of my hands are quite flushed. Some times I become very cold...to the point of shivering despite having the heating on AND two tops and a jumper on. I describe it as being cold in the core....as the cold seems to come from the inside...my skin and hands can still be slightly warm but I am still freezing.I will certainly try to book an appointment for those blood tests...but I don't hold much hope for the doctor actually doing them. He did some a few weeks ago so I will try to get a copy of those. But they were mainly inflammatory panels to see why my joints were so sore.I do take supplements....should I stop those before the test to make sure they are more accurate?Cheers and thanks.

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Hi , your symptoms and signs do not appear to me to be

connected with your thyroid status, though some could be that you are suffering

with low adrenal reserve. With having the raised temperature I would suspect

these are related to your allergies. Have you been around anyone who has been

suffering with this latest 'flu as the aches and pains you describe, the

feeling you are catching a cold, the stuffiness in your head and the added

nausea in the evenings could point to this.

You should be OK to carry on taking your vitamin and mineral

supplements but if you are having a thyroid panel done, then definitely don't

take any thyroid hormone the morning you have your blood drawn. Take it with

you and as soon as the test is over, you can then take it.

Hope this helps.

Luv - Sheila

I will certainly try to book an

appointment for those blood tests...but I don't hold much hope for the doctor

actually doing them. He did some a few weeks ago so I will try to get a

copy of those. But they were mainly inflammatory panels to see why my joints were

so sore.

I do take supplements....should I

stop those before the test to make sure they are more accurate?

Cheers and thanks.

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Hi ,

I agree with Sheila - this sounds more like an infection of some sort

(virus? food allergy?). However, the 'cold to the core' description has

an adrenal ring to it - do you take sufficient adrenal support? - And

how about Candida albicans? Have you tested yourself for that? The joint

aches and muscle pains and feelings of getting a cold you describe are

the first symptoms I get back when I have been 'sinning' - sugar is a

very powerful poison, don't underestimate the effects of it.

with best wishes,

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Hi , I know my experience is mine alone and we are all different. After 17 years on T4 and feeling worse and worse- I could tick about 2/3 of the symptoms on the list I changed to Armour. On the third day I woke up- really woke up- it was an amazing feeling as if I'd been half asleep for the previous years. Then a few days later I saw something silly and burst out laughing and didn't stop even when I fell off the sofa- I think that was a small amount of hysteria releasing all the stress that had built up over the years- my son was amazed, he said that he didn't think that I had a sense of humour and I was always so grumpy. I was still pretty ill, but I knew I was on the right track and it took about 9 months and many dose adjustments to get there. I knew I was better when I stopped fussing about my health daily and wondering if I was on the right dose yet when I realised I was just getting on with my life and forgetting about my health after I'd taken my pills. > thyroid treatment > From: jtweed15@...> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:14:38 +0000> Subject: How do you know when you feel better> > I know this sounds like a silly question...but if a person feel bad physically/mentally etc. for probably years....how do you know when you are properly better. To me ANY improvement would be great but I don't want to stop before I am optimal.> > I would also like to to know when first starting NDT...do you gradually start feeling better? or Do you one day sort of notice...hey my body isn't sore...I don't feel depressed....or golly I didn't fall asleep over dinner?> I am asking because I THINK I feel a little better but I also think I feel worse...> I am taking 2 grains one in the morning and one about 230pm. I feel less tired but I also feel more achy and I feel as though I am trying to catch something like a cold but it never happens and I've been feeling mildly nauseous at certain parts of the day usually evening time.> I want to give NDT a fair trial....so would like other stories of how people felt on the way to feeling GOOD,GREAT,HUMAN...again..lol> > Thanks> > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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> >The joint> aches and muscle pains and feelings of getting a cold you describe are> the first symptoms I get back when I have been 'sinning' - sugar is a> very powerful poison, don't underestimate the effects of it.> > with best wishes,> > >

I am not yet on any adrenal support. I am waiting for the order to come and I would like to try getting a test done before I start. Should I avoid any increases in the armour before starting the adrenal support? I would be due a 1/2 grain increase the middle of next week.

This could very well be. I am on low carb diet and went out to dinner with my daughter on her birthday..(and mine last week) which of course totally blew my carb allowance. I am sure there was a good amount of sugars in the dinner this week and there were definately sugar in the ice cream sundae..:-) Will give it a week and see how it goes.

Thanks...will give a wee while yet to see what happens...

Cheers

julie

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Hi ,

I am not yet on any adrenal support. I am waiting for the order to come and I would like to try getting a test done before I start. Should I avoid any increases in the armour before starting the adrenal support? I would be due a 1/2 grain increase the middle of next week.

What have you ordered for adrenal support? – and yes, good idea to do an adrenal salivary profile so you know where you stand. If you were going to do that, then please do the test first before you take any adrenal support and I would definitely not increase in NDT.... on the contrary - it might be a good idea to stop the NDT altogether for a few days when you start the adrenal support. Sheila is better informed about that than I, so perhaps she will give you a bit more info on that. The reason for stopping is that the body cannot utilize thyroid medication when the adrenals are weak and unsupported. If you heap enough thyroid meds onto weak adrenals, you can push them into crisis.

This could very well be. I am on low carb diet and went out to dinner with my daughter on her birthday..(and mine last week) which of course totally blew my carb allowance. I am sure there was a good amount of sugars in the dinner this week and there were definately sugar in the ice cream sundae..:-) Will give it a week and see how it goes.

Happy belated Birthday J -If you already suspect that you might have a Candida problem, then why not do the salivary test for that together with the adrenal profile? From what you are saying it is quite likely that your problems might be caused by Candida, and if so, you need to do something about it. Candida, once it rears its ugly head, will not go away all by itself – I can promise you that. A low carb diet will help, but the next time you put sugar (and that includes alcohol and any type of grain) in any form or shape into your mouth, the yeast gets fed by the sugar and it will thrive and cause you pain. If you have Candida, you need to kill the yeast overgrowth or you will never get rid of the aches and pains. It is a constant battle and it is hard to do, but those who test positive for Candida albicans really have got no choice. If there were a way round it other than cutting out sugars, I would have found it by now. God knows, I was/am desperate enough at times.... <g>

Best wishes,

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>> > Hi ,> > > What have you ordered for adrenal support? I have ordered Nutri Adrenal....only because I can get that quicker than ordering Isocort...but will switch later if the NA doesn't do anything for me.> If you already suspect that you might have> a Candida problem, then why not do the salivary test for that together> with the adrenal profile? > Is the spit test wholly unreliable? I will do the other but in the meantime if the morning spit test is even a little bit of an indication then I could get started on the proper diet. I read a bit and the web says the acid in coconut oil is a good way to help get rid of candida if taken every day. Is this true. I would rather not have to take any prescription meds as I often don't tolerate them very well. Ay GOOD web links with info? Cheers and THANKS...

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Hello ,

Nutri Adrenal is a good start –Nutri Adrenal Extra (NAX) might even be better, because it contains a lot of B-vitamins plus other bits and pieces, which are all needed to heal the adrenals. Personally I would rather give the NA and/or NAX a fair trial before jumping onto Isocort – for many reasons, but the main consideration is, if you have Candida, Cortisol can make it worse and harder to fight and cortisol, like antibiotics, will destroy the good bacteria in the gut and destroy the natural balance of bacteria, giving the `bad guys' an even greater chance to get the upper hand.

Is the spit test wholly unreliable?

In my personal experience I find the spit test pretty reliable. I would say that if your spit test is positive, I would definitely back it up with a Genova test to back it up and to see what is going on. If the spit test is clear (meaning no tentacles, no `tornado', no `snowflakes', no clouding of the water) then it is less likely that you have Candida, but it's not definitive. But regardless – starting on a sugar-free diet (as much as possible) is beneficial for anyone. Coconut oil – along with all natural anti-fungals (fresh garlic, olive oil etc) will certainly help to fight Candida, but on its own will not kill off a Candida infection, even if taken every day. You can get Candida overgrowth under control just with diet in the long run (unless it is out of control, as it was in my case), but you would have to be very, very strict and avoid all processed and hidden sugars (alcohol & fast food for example) for a very long time – many months, perhaps a year. One natural product that fights Candida and is also extremely good for infections of all kinds is wild oregano oil, as recommended by JOT, one of our members. Here is a research paper on wild oil of oregano and Candida Albicans http://www.p-73.com/pdf/antifungalcandida.pdfI order mine from here http://www.iherb.com/North-American-Herb-Spice-Co-Oreganol-P73-Super-Strength-60-Softgels/7712?at=0

This website is worth reading too – http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/4966/fm.htm

When I first started fighting Candida several years ago, Tripp's site was a great help to me. There is a lot of valuable information on there. This is a revised website and if sounds a bit defensive at times, that is because she apparently got a lot of stick from people who seemed to hold her personally responsible if things did not work for them. So please do not be put off by her sometimes curt comments.

The following website is also packed with information – please note, I am not recommending any of those products, I don't know them. I am just talking about the info on Candida. http://www.candidaexpert.com/Symptoms.htm

Hope this helps and good luck J

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The spit test is NOT reliable. We have had members who did the

spit test and because of the results which they thought were 'positive' sent

off for the test to check for systemic candidiasis and the results came back

showing they did NOT have candida. I have had more than one very cross letter

from people who felt that they wasted their money. I say forget the sputum

test, it is too unreliable and go straight for the proper testing to see if you

have candida antibodies.

As far as web links go - it's all there in this forum. Go to our

FILES section (accessible from the Home Page of this forum) and scroll down to

the folder entitled 'CANDIDA' and read all the information you are likely to

read there. Including diets.

Luv - Sheila

Is the spit test wholly unreliable? I will do

the other but in the meantime if the morning spit test is even a little bit of

an indication then I could get started on the proper diet. I read a bit and the

web says the acid in coconut oil is a good way to help get rid of candida if

taken every day. Is this true. I would rather not have to take any prescription

meds as I often don't tolerate them very well. Ay GOOD web links with

info?

Cheers and THANKS...