RE: Re: Should I stop and start again?

[Guest guest]

When starting to supplement your adrenals, it is recommended you

stop all thyroid hormone replacement (either synthetic or natural) for 7 days

and just take a supplement such as Nutri Adrenal Extra for those 7 days (taking

one tablet with breakfast), and then on the 8th day, increase your NAE by one

tablet, taking this one with your lunch, and add back your thyroid hormone

replacement in the same dose you were taking before. You can carry on taking

the other supplements and you especially need large doses of vitamin C (4/5000mgs

daily), plus Selenium 200mcgs daily and zinc (essential for conversion of T4 to

the active T3).

You should carry on increasing your NDT by one tablet every 2

weeks or so until you find your symptoms have diminished. However, if you get

up to 6 tablets of NAE daily (it is recommended you go no higher) then it may

be that you need a course of hydrocortisone. If you decide at any time to get

the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile done, you must stop the NAE for at least 2

weeks before the test is done.

Luv - Sheila

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Thank you for your opinion Judith. So how do I go about stopping the NDT? Do I

just stop the NDT completely and not take anything except the adrenal

supplements and Nutri Thyroid + the hundreds of other supplements etc. How long

do I wait before restarting my NDT? How do I restart my NDT, as I did the first

time following the TPA guidelines? How do I know when I am ready to start the

NDT again? Should I perhaps do a saliva test if I think I am ready to start again?

I have been treating my adrenals for about 3 months now, any idea of an average

healing time? Many thanks again....

[Guest guest]

Hi, Shelia, your recommendations are exactly what I have been doing for the

last three months and when I started my blood pressure went up when I stood up

and my adrenal temperature tests were ok but now after having followed TPA

& Peatfield instructions I find that my temp. and lowered blood pressure on

standing are indicative of more adrenal fatigue. It's taken me 3 months approx.

to work up to NDT 2.5gr (and I haven't finished increasing yet) but I am now

beginning to feel some of the old hypothyroid symptoms slightly returning. If I

stop all thyroid hormones now, how long should I stay off them, besides which,

surely after a week or ten days I need to be on some sort of thyroid hormones.

When you consider that I started NAX and then started NDT 10 days later at

1/2grain and worked my way up slowly following instructions then surely that is

less of a strain on the adrenals than had I restarted 100mcg

levothyroxine(which was what I was on before)all in one go. Get what I mean?

(I'm not always easy to understand haha.) Oh and I've been on Selenium and Zinc

for donkeys years and am working on my ferritin and am taking 5000mg Vit C and

all the recommended stuff which brings me up to about 30 tablets a day not

counting my NDT. (Who needs food, haha.) thanks for your help...

[Guest guest]

Did

you actually increase the Nutri Adrenal Extra every 10 days to 2 weeks, taking half

your dose with breakfast and the other half with lunch. You should increase in

this way (whilst taking your thyroid hormone replacement) until your symptoms

go away. If you are still suffering with symptoms after you get up to 6 tablets

of NEA daily, then this is an indication that you need a course of

hydrocortisone. If you didn't keep increasing the NAE in this way, then start

now, and do Dr Rinds Temperature Graph http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

Also,

read Dr Peatfield's paper about the adrenal/thyroid connection and you will see

why it is important to check out adrenal fatigue before starting thyroid

hormone replacement http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk/thyroid_adrenal_dysfunction.pdf

Check

also the following home tests:

Test 1: Take and compare two blood pressure

readings—one while lying down and one while standing. Rest for five

minutes in recumbent position (lying down) before taking the reading. Stand up

and immediately take the blood pressure again. If the blood pressure is lower

after standing, suspect reduced adrenal gland function. The degree to which the

blood pressure drops while standing is often proportionate to the degree of

hypoadrenalism. (Normal adrenal function will elevate your BP on the standing

reading in order to push blood to the brain.)

Test

2: Another test uses the eyes. From the side (not the front),

shine a bright light like a flashlight or penlight towards your pupils and hold

it for about a minute. Carefully observe the pupil. With healthy adrenals, your

pupils will constrict, and will stay small the entire time you shine the light

from the side. In adrenal fatigue, the pupil will get small, but it will soon

enlarge again or obviously flutter in its attempt to stay constricted.

Test

3: Are you very sensitive to bright light? That could be a sign of

adrenal fatigue. And this can also be true if you have searing headaches along

with the sensitivity.

Test 4: You can determine your thyroid and

adrenal status by following Dr. Rind with a temperature graph. You simply take

your temp 3 times a day, starting three hours after you wake up, and every

three hours after that, to equal three temps. (If you have eaten or exercised

right before it’s time to take your temp, wait 20 more minutes.) Then

average them for that day. Do this for several days. If your averaged temp is

fluctuating from day to day more than .2, you need adrenal support. If it is

fluctuating but overall low, you need more adrenal support and thyroid. If it

is fluctuating but averaging 98.6, you just need adrenal support. If it is

steady but low, you need more thyroid and adrenals are likely fine. (We note

that mercury thermometers are the most accurate.)

Luv - Sheila

If I stop all thyroid hormones now, how long should I stay off them, besides

which, surely after a week or ten days I need to be on some sort of thyroid

hormones. When you consider that I started NAX and then started NDT 10 days

later at 1/2grain and worked my way up slowly following instructions then

surely that is less of a strain on the adrenals than had I restarted 100mcg

levothyroxine(which was what I was on before)all in one go. Get what I mean?

(I'm not always easy to understand haha.) Oh and I've been on Selenium and Zinc

for donkeys years and am working on my ferritin and am taking 5000mg Vit C and

all the recommended stuff which brings me up to about 30 tablets a day not

counting my NDT. (Who needs food, haha.) thanks for your help...

[Guest guest]

See how you get on without your NDT for a while and just taking

the Nutri Adrenal Extra - you might have overdone the increases in NDT. You

should only increase your natural desiccated thyroid if you still have symptoms

- there is no particular dosage you should be aiming for.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila, Yes I did increase the Nutri Adrenal

Extra as you describe and am up to 5 a day.I was feeling pretty good but

started to go back again and have been failing on all the adrenal home tests

for several days. Judith suggested I should stop my NTD and start again after

10 days so I didn't take my 1 grain this afternoon and, would you believe it, I

have just taken my blood pressure laying down and then standing up and for the

first time in days it has gone UP when I stand. That does seem to point to the

adrenals not being able to cope with 2.5 grains of NTD. What do you suggest,

that I do as Judith suggests and start again from scratch going very slowly?