Re: Re: Levothyroxine - 5 weeks in

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Hi Guy, I wouldn't worry too much about orange juice- the real absorption problems occur with anything containing calcium such as milk which can prevent absorption- this also applies to solid foods. This advice, however, does not apply to T3 which is absorbed in a different area of the gut. > thyroid treatment > From: higuyc@...> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 13:00:42 +0000> Subject: Re: Levothyroxine - 5 weeks in> > > I have a glass of orange juice each day, although not until at least half an hour after taking the levothyroxine. > > I've just read on here that you shouldn't be drinking anything but water within that time frame. No one had warned me of that before - until now I have been having a cup of tea in the mornings (just part of my routine) not long afterwards.> > How much of an affect might this have, and what other do's and don'ts are there to be aware of?> > > > > > >> > Are you taking h igh doses of vitamin C (2/3000mgs dailty) plus Selenium> > 200mcgs daily with food and 15mcgs zinc alongside your levothyroxine. Are> > you being tested to see whether you are converting the T4 (which is a> > prohormone only) into the active thyroid hormone triiodothyronine (T3). It> > is T3 every cell in our body and brain needs to make them function not T4> > which is mainly inactive. There is a large minority of us unable to convert> > T4, so it lies in the blood doing absolutely nothing. Ask for your free T3> > to be tested when they next test your TSH and fT4.> > > > Ha\ving said that, it takes up to 6 weeks for thyroxine to be fully> > utilised, so it is still very early days. I would wait and see how you feel> > after you have been taking it for 3 months to see whether you feel any> > improvement and then take it from there.> > > > Luv - Sheila> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm almost six weeks into my course of levothyroxine after a diagnosis of> > hypothyroidism by Dr Skinner. I have to say that so far I haven't noticed> > any real change and no real improvement in symptoms.> > > > I was warned that it could take a couple of months before the medication> > really starts to work, but surely by now I should have noticed SOMETHING -> > I'm now at 100mcg.> > > > I guess I'm just looking for a little reassurance or feedback. Any comments> > welcome.> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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Hi guy, No, it just means no milk or food within an hour of meds- you can drink it any other time. > thyroid treatment > From: higuyc@...> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:04:21 +0000> Subject: Re: Levothyroxine - 5 weeks in> > > > Okay...but does that mean one shouldn't have milk at all, or just when taking the meds?> > > > >> > > > Hi Guy,> > I wouldn't worry too much about orange juice- the real absorption problems occur with anything containing calcium such as milk which can prevent absorption- this also applies to solid foods. This advice, however, does not apply to T3 which is absorbed in a different area of the gut.> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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From: Guy <higuyc@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Wed, 9 March, 2011 17:14:33Subject: Re: Levothyroxine - 5 weeks inThis is fascinating, i took levo for 7 years and felt awful on it, i always took with my morning cuppa as had never heard of this i had had enough and started on t3 only wondering now if i had of known this if i would have felt better!

e. i read an article somewhere on the internet stating not to take levo with any products containing caffeine and there was no way i could wait an hour for coffee in the morning!

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I must admit, I've thought about that also.

I miss my tea in the morning...

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Unconverted

T4 can cause pain and yes, you might want to try T3 on it's own as it

works for a lot of people. How much Armour are you taking and when did you last

increase your dose?

Luv - Sheila

Hi - so if T4 can lie in the blood doing

nothing - can it cause pain whilst doing so ?

I have been on Armour since last september with great results as regards energy

and brain fog removal etc, but as the months have gone on I've got terrible

pain in feet, ankles, knees, wrists and elbows and it tends to increase when

I've taken a dose or more.

I am seriously considering tryng T3 on its own - would this be wise?

J

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I would definitely

increase your Nutri Adrenal Extra . Any possibility you have other

deficiencies such as copper, zinc, magnesium, vitamin D3 or folate. If you are

not sure, ask your GP to do these tests and when you get the results, post them

here. Also, any possibility you might be suffering with systemic candida -

don't guess this , get tested to make absolutely sure. Any of these might

be a reason why you are having a problem in increasing your thyroid hormone

replacement.

When I was taking

levothyroxine only I suffered excruciating pain, mainly lower back, shoulder

and under both feet. After I started Armour, every bit of pain disappeared so

my problem was a lack of T3 in the cells as I was unable to convert the T4 into

T3.

People can take up

to 6 Nutri Adrenal Extra daily, but if your symptoms are still hanging around,

this is usually a sign you need the stronger Isocort, or a short course of

cortisol.

Luv - Sheila

Until T3 comes and for a while I was thinking of increasing the Nutri Adrenal

extra - on two at minute at breakfast - I guess I should take two in a morning

and again at dinner and see if a better support will work? What's the maximum

people take of NAE to give good support.

Fed up as I was really pleased that something natural was working.

I need to see if this join pain reduces without thyroid for a while, but not

sure ow long I can last before I get exhausted again.

Oh well - I've put up with it for ten years, so whats a few more weeks.

J

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> Unconverted T4 can cause pain and yes, you might want to try T3 on

> it's own as it works for a lot of people. How much Armour are you taking

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> when did you last increase your dose?

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> Luv - Sheila

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We are each different - what suits one will not suit another. Some people

are fine on just NDT as it is, but others need to add a little synthetic T4 and

others need to add a little T3 - and others still don't need any T4 - just

straight T3. You might want to try the experiment of adding (in your case) just

5mcgs T3, or stopping the Armour altogether and replacing it with straight T3 -

but do it in minute doses, e.g. 5mcgs at a time. Don't forget to ensure your

adrenals are being supplemented as well as you can and that all the other mins./vits

are in order and remember to take Selenium, zinc and vitamin C.

If your GP is difficult, it often works better to write a short

letter and send just before your appointment asking for your levels of those

vits. and minerals to be checked to see where they lie in the reference range

and make sure you tell her you are asking for these specifically because if any

of them are low, no amount of thyroid hormone can be utilised at the cellular

level until whatever is low is supplemented. Be sure to get the ref. range for

each test done and post them here.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila, you say you suffered joint pains

when just on T4 due to unconverted T4 and that when you went on Armour it went

due to the added in T3. I have been on armour - do you suggest that the T4

content is too high and I need to add in T3 and that may do the trick? Can it

be fine tuning as you were still on some T4 weren't you, but the pain still

went with the added T3 of Armour?

I will up the NAE and try a bit of T3 when I pick it up from the sorting office

tomorrow along with the armour, and I will get the candida and adrenals

checked. I will try and get the vitamins/minerals done, but could be a

difficult one knowing my GPs.

Thanks

J

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> I would definitely increase your Nutri Adrenal Extra . Any

possibility

> you have other deficiencies such as copper, zinc, magnesium, vitamin D3 or

> folate. If you are not sure, ask your GP to do these tests and when you

get

> the results, post them here. Also, any possibility you might be suffering

> with systemic candida - don't guess this , get tested to make

> absolutely sure. Any of these might be a reason why you are having a

problem

> in increasing your thyroid hormone replacement.

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> When I was taking levothyroxine only I suffered excruciating pain, mainly

> lower back, shoulder and under both feet. After I started Armour,