TH1 AND TH2

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From: Ho [mailto:justinho@...]

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Therefore I agree with the

disbalance theory, but not sure that NK is directly proportional with Th1.

[Patti] Low NK FUNCTION (as opposed to COUNT - your count can be normal but

function virtually non-existent) is almost always associated with low Th1 -

but not always. So an NK function test can be used for screening and

trending. But you are correct, they are not the same thing. From what I've

read it is possible to have good NK function and yet have low Th1.

Is there another test to determine Th1 levels besides NK levels?

[Patti] Yes, you can get a cytokine profile test which measures the levels

of the most prominent markers for Th1/Th2. Good luck if you can actually

get a doc to order the test. I've been militating for one for 2 years.

Patti

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HAS ANYONE ANY INFORMATION ON TH1 AND TH2 TESTING IN THE UK?

I HAVE DISCOVERED THAT ITS INMPORTANT FOR AUTOIMMUNE PATEINTS TO GET THIS TEST

TO SEE WHICH ONE IS DOMINANT...ANYONE HEARD OF THIS?

THANKS

FLISS

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Hi Fliss

You will find much info on this in " Why do I Still Have Symptoms When My Lab

Tests are Normal? " by Datis Kharrazian. Briefly:

An autoimmune condition occurs when one branch of the immune system over

dominates another branch. This is called an either a Th1 or Th2 dominance. A

dominant TH1 response means that the natural killer cells and cytotoxic t cells

are responsible for attacking the body, while a TH2 dominance indicates that

your bcells and antibodies are mounting the attack. A blood test is needed to

find out which branch is dominant. Thus to treat an autoimmune disease, it is

critical to find the dominant branch and to balance the seesaw by stimulating

the other branch. For example, if a patient's autoimmune disease was TH1

dominant, treating it would require that we strengthen the Th2 side to balance

out the immune system. If the patient were Th2 dominant, we would stimulate the

Th1 side to regain balance. It's a pretty simple solution, but so many people

suffer needlessly because the immune system has been ignored, until now.

This is where clinical nutrition and natural medicine comes into play. It is

well documented in clinical research that Th1 stimulants are Echinacea, maitake

mushrooms and golden seal to name a few. Th2 stimulators are caffeine, green

tea, and grape seed extract. So, if a patient with an under functioning thyroid

is TH1 dominant, then he would prescribe supplements containing caffeine, green

tea, and grape seed extract to stimulate the TH2 side to regain balance. If they

were TH2 dominant, then Echinacea, mushrooms, and golden seal would balance out

their immune system. Since most people with autoimmune conditions have no idea

which branch of their immune system is dominant, they can actually make their

condition worse by taking over the counter immune boosters. Lets say for example

you were Th1 dominant and you catch a cold. A friend tells you that Echinacea

helped them so you take it yourself. Unknowingly you would be flaring up your

already dominant Th1 response and cause even more destruction to your thyroid

gland. Conversely, if you were Th2 dominant and you read on the internet that

green tea, and grape seed extract could boost your immune system you would be

flaring up your already dominant Th2 response and fire up an autoimmune attack

to your thyroid. This can go on for years and years eventually shrinking your

thyroid gland and slowing down your metabolism further. Meanwhile your medical

doctor would interpret this as a need to increase the dosage of your thyroid

hormones.

The immune system continues to get ignored and it turns into a bad cycle of even

more medications to treat your symptoms instead of treating the underlying

cause.

By now I hope that you understand that the underlying cause of the symptoms of

any autoimmune disease is due to an unbalanced immune system. Once the balance

is restored, the flared up immune system is calmed down and the autoimmune

attack is decreased from a raging fire to that of a single candle flame. It can

never be stopped completely because once the autoimmune gene has turned on.

There is no turn off switch. However, as a result of a balanced Th1, Th2

response the patient will experience an increase in their energy, mental

clarity, better skin and weight loss. Most importantly they find that they no

longer need their medication. With a balanced immune system in addition to

dietary and lifestyle modifications, most patients can return to the quality of

life they once new before their autoimmune disease developed.

(These are not my own words but from one of my FB friends)

Hope this helps!

Love

Jacquie

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hi jackie thanks for thgis...i have already read all about it but can't anywhere

on the web find out where to get tested in the uk!!! Do you know where? has

anyone on this site had it done? If there are lots of hashi patients on this

site does anyone have any info on testing please...

thanks

Fliss

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Hi Fliss

I've sent out a Tweet but as yet have had no response. So far, all I have found

is this...

http://www.truehealthlabs.com/products/Immune-Communication-Profile-%28TH1-TH2-B\

alance%29%252d-NS-Kit.html

and they have a 5% discount currently

http://truehealthlabs.com/pages/Limited-Time%252d-5%25-Off-All-Lab-Tests.html

for a limited time. The test costs £240.86 - it is EXPENSIVE!

It has a good review and they follow Dr Kharrazian. I tried calling them in the

US but they have an answering machine and I doubt they will return my call to

England.

If I have any luck from my Tweet, I will get back to you.

Love

Jacquie

>

> hi jackie thanks for thgis...i have already read all about it but can't

anywhere on the web find out where to get tested in the uk!!! Do you know where?

has anyone on this site had it done? If there are lots of hashi patients on this

site does anyone have any info on testing please...

> thanks

> Fliss

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Fliss - we have a lot of information in the FILES section

of this forum regarding both T2 and T1, but not sure where you could get

tested. You could email Genova Diagnostics to see what they have to say about

this and let us know their answer - if indeed they have one.

Luv - Sheila

HAS ANYONE ANY INFORMATION ON TH1 AND TH2

TESTING IN THE UK?

I HAVE DISCOVERED THAT ITS INMPORTANT FOR AUTOIMMUNE PATEINTS TO GET THIS TEST

TO SEE WHICH ONE IS DOMINANT...ANYONE HEARD OF THIS?

THANKS

FLISS

[Guest guest]

thanks `Sheila...genova don't do it but dr's labs in london do it for £340!!!

Have found a local nutritionist who sas she may be able to get it done

cheaper..will let you know.

Fliss

>

> Dear Fliss - we have a lot of information in the FILES section of this forum

> regarding both T2 and T1, but not sure where you could get tested. You could

> email Genova Diagnostics to see what they have to say about this and let us

> know their answer - if indeed they have one.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

> HAS ANYONE ANY INFORMATION ON TH1 AND TH2 TESTING IN THE UK?

> I HAVE DISCOVERED THAT ITS INMPORTANT FOR AUTOIMMUNE PATEINTS TO GET THIS

> TEST TO SEE WHICH ONE IS DOMINANT...ANYONE HEARD OF THIS?

> THANKS

> FLISS

>

[Guest guest]

thanks Jackie...will investigate as have found lab inlondon who charges

£340!...how would the USA lab get my blood though?

A nutritionist is investigaing more for me..will let you know and let me know

anything else you find.

Fliss

> >

> > hi jackie thanks for thgis...i have already read all about it but can't

anywhere on the web find out where to get tested in the uk!!! Do you know where?

has anyone on this site had it done? If there are lots of hashi patients on this

site does anyone have any info on testing please...

> > thanks

> > Fliss

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Fliss, what makes you think you might have low (or high)

levels of T2 or T1???

Luv - Sheila

thanks `Sheila...genova don't do it but dr's

labs in london do it for £340!!! Have found a local nutritionist who sas she

may be able to get it done cheaper..will let you know.

Fliss

>

[Guest guest]

Fliss, have sent them a message and will let you know what they say (providing

they get back to me)...

Hello from England,

I am asking on behalf of a friend of mine. Please could you advise me how to go

about getting the Th1 and Th2 Cytokine Blood Test Panel done by you.

1. How would she get the serum to yourselves without it spoiling?

2. How long would it take?

3. Presuming that this can be done, how much would you charge her with your

current 5% discount.

Thank you for your time.

Regards

Jacquie

>

> thanks Jackie...will investigate as have found lab inlondon who charges

£340!...how would the USA lab get my blood though?

> A nutritionist is investigaing more for me..will let you know and let me know

anything else you find.

> Fliss

[Guest guest]

Fliss, I have made some progress. Below is the free live chat I had with

http://www.truehealthlabs.com/products/Immune-Communication-Profile-%28TH1-TH2-B\

alance%29%252d-NS-Kit.html

They have quoted a price of £223.45 - discount of 5% included.

You will have to get the blood to them in 5 days by UPS or FEDEX.

They will invoice you through PayPal.

You would have to have the blood taken and sent off on a Monday so that it

arrives by Friday.

She can take your order through the free live chat.

They do work with UK citizens so this is has been done by others.

I can't think anymore, so have copied the chat below:

Please wait for a site operator to respond...

Operator Annie has joined the chat.

Annie: Hi Jacquie. How can I help?

Jacquie: Hi, I sent an email earlier but have yet to get a response. It says:

Jacquie: Hello from England,

I am asking on behalf of a friend of mine. Please could you advise me how to go

about getting the Th1 and Th2 Cytokine Blood Test Panel done by you.

1. How would she get the serum to yourselves without it spoiling?

2. How long would it take?

3. Presuming that this can be done, how much would you charge her with your

current 5% discount.

Thank you for your time.

Regards

Jacquie

Annie: Yes. I was just responding to your email...

Jacquie: Thank you, Annie. Shall I just wait for it then>?

Annie: I looked into seeing if we can get the Th1/Th2 test kit out to you.

Our lab said that they can send the kit out to you, however, the sample would

need to be back at the lab within 5 days. Meaning you would have to have the

test done on a Monday and shipped the same day.

Annie: You will have to be responcible for the shipping back to the lab since

the return shipping is ment for US domestic samples. As long as that works for

you, we can send you the kit.

Annie: I will calculate the dicounted price. One moment.

Jacquie: Have you dealt with any other UK citizens? I'm only asking because I'm

not sure how to get it back to you in 5 days... courier?

Jacquie: And how much would you charge? Would the discount be available?

Jacquie: thank you

Annie: Yes we do work with UK citizens, however, the TH1/TH2 test is not

typically ordered.

Jacquie: I'm not surprised. Physicians know little about it here.

Annie: You would have to contact a mailing system like UPS or FedEx to find out

how to get it back to the lab in 5 days.

Annie: Yes. I can apply the discount.

Jacquie: Can you give me a figure?

Jacquie: Annie, you've been incredibly helpful. Thank you.

Annie: Thank you very much Jacquie. I am working on the conversion. One moment.

Jacquie: What would you suggest is the best way of ordering the test? When I

tried calling, I reached an answering machine.

Jacquie: Take your time!

Annie: The total cost after the discount would be 223.45 pounds.

Annie: Yes. The doctor and staff are with patients most of the day. The live

chat is the best way to contact us.

Annie: I would have to send you a manual invoice through PayPal.

Jacquie: Thank you, Annie. I will pass all this information to my friend. She is

desperate to have this test so we will have to call UPS or Fedex and go from

there.

Jacquie: You've been a tremendous help. Once again, thank you.

Annie: Ok. I will be here to help. You can also call the office. It may take a

few hours but someone will call you back. I will mark your last phone message as

listened to.

Annie: Thank you. That makes me smile. Have a great rest of your day Jacquie

Jacquie: Have a lovely day, Annie!

[Guest guest]

gosh jackie thanks so much for this....i have decided i need to work with a

nutritionist locally who can interpret it for me...so am going to wait till i

see her in two weeks time..hope they will still do the discount by then...will

let you knwo what happens...do you know anyone who has had the test?

Fliss

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[Guest guest]

hi sheila ..it th1 and th2....all the information from the US on autoimmune

disease is pointing this way... dr k's work?

Fliss

[Guest guest]

Hi Fliss, Ah! now I am putting 2 and 2 together and realise you

have got a bit mixed up between TH1 and TH2 and T2 and T1 which is easy to do

and I bet for many people this has caused confusion. The TH in this case

does NOT mean Thyroid Hormone, but rather, Thyroid Helper cells. You should not

hunting for pharmacies that sell the thyroid hormone T2 or T1 to try to correct

your situation - using these could be highly dangerous and should be done under

the supervision of a doctor ONLY. To learn more about Thyroid Helper Cells -

see http://www.suite101.com/content/what-are-th1-and-th2-forms-of-immune-response-a118467

Luv - Sheila

hi sheila ..it th1 and th2....all the

information from the US on autoimmune disease is pointing this way... dr k's

work?

Fliss