Re: Re: This List

[Guest guest]

Kathy-

>The only way a second list works is if there are rules for this list that

>don't allow certain topics and the owner/moderators enforce them.

Catching up here...

There's another problem: doesn't provide for inter-list

moderation. If I could move messages back and forth between lists, it

would be a simple thing and I'd do it. But doesn't work that way.

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[Guest guest]

Betsy-

>And you know what they're talking about on the nt politics list right

>now ­ enzymes and protein?!?!?! Two lists are never going to work

>with this bunch :-)

LOL! No, it couldn't work without cross-list administration tools,

preferably automated ones.

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[Guest guest]

How about appointing a separate moderator for the other list? It should be

a simple process: if someone posts something off-topic or against the list

rules, then the moderator posts a reminder. If the person(s) persist, then

they're banned from the list. It certainly works on many other lists I've

been on, I can't see why it couldn't work for this one also.

~ Fern

Re: Re: This list

Betsy-

>And you know what they're talking about on the nt politics list right

>now ­ enzymes and protein?!?!?! Two lists are never going to work

>with this bunch :-)

LOL! No, it couldn't work without cross-list administration tools,

preferably automated ones.

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[Guest guest]

Well, I admit my little mistake in posting that evolution|creation questions

to this group. I meant to sent it to nt_politics. So even if I try to keep

politics off of this list, it didn't work in this instance :-) So sorry.

Deanna

Subject: Re: Re: This list

How about appointing a separate moderator for the other list? It should be

a simple process: if someone posts something off-topic or against the list

rules, then the moderator posts a reminder. If the person(s) persist, then

they're banned from the list. It certainly works on many other lists I've

been on, I can't see why it couldn't work for this one also.

~ Fern

Re: Re: This list

Betsy-

>And you know what they're talking about on the nt politics list right

>now ­ enzymes and protein?!?!?! Two lists are never going to work

>with this bunch :-)

LOL! No, it couldn't work without cross-list administration tools,

preferably automated ones.

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[Guest guest]

Fern <readnwrite@...> wrote:

How about appointing a separate moderator for the other list? It should be

a simple process: if someone posts something off-topic or against the list

rules, then the moderator posts a reminder. If the person(s) persist, then

they're banned from the list. It certainly works on many other lists I've

been on, I can't see why it couldn't work for this one also.

~ Fern

Hey All,

From what I have seen that works very well on other lists. There are always the

usual people who try to start stuff. . .I have even seen one particular guy get

put on moderation several times. It really does works.

If we could just get the subject lines to coordinate. If all Off Topic Posts

clearly stated (OFF TOPIC POST) in the subject line, we could use a filter to

sort the e-mail into a separate folder. . .like the bulk mail I get. Seems

fairly simple. It would just take a while for the moderator to get everyone

co-ordinated.

Sheryl

Sheryl Illustrations

http://dovedesignsrus.com

[Guest guest]

Deanna. . .We all make mistakes I don't think anyone could blame you for the

whole thread.

Like I said in my earlier post if the subject line of all the " OFF TOPIC " could

clearly state " OFF TOPIC " we could use filters. Essentially we could run the

one group as two.

Sheryl

Deanna <nativenutrition@...> wrote:

Well, I admit my little mistake in posting that evolution|creation questions

to this group. I meant to sent it to nt_politics. So even if I try to keep

politics off of this list, it didn't work in this instance :-) So sorry.

Sheryl Illustrations

http://dovedesignsrus.com

[Guest guest]

Has anyone heard anything about Jordan Rubin's new book " The Maker's Diet? "

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0884199487/qid=1078593987/sr=1-2/r\

ef=sr_1_2/104-8361269-9429539?v=glance & s=books#product-details

I have never read one of his books before. Was there a diet in it?

Sheryl

Sheryl Illustrations

http://dovedesignsrus.com

[Guest guest]

>How about appointing a separate moderator for the other list? It should be

>a simple process: if someone posts something off-topic or against the list

>rules, then the moderator posts a reminder. If the person(s) persist, then

>they're banned from the list. It certainly works on many other lists I've

>been on, I can't see why it couldn't work for this one also.

>

>~ Fern

Fern:

I'm the moderator for the other list, and if someone posts on-topic to the

off-topic

list, I won't ban them. It's too hard to figure out what is " on topic " .... diet

and health

and politics are just too intertwined, and the long discussions just go all over

the

place. I would encourage people who want to get into long detailed never-ending

discussions to go to the nt_politics list though, so as not to bug the folks who

want to concentrate on cooking and health. The only thing I ban is spam and

personal attacks and impoliteness. If some really cool NT-oriented thing comes

up though, I'll be happy to cross-post it.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Betsy-

>Changing the description on the group home to reflect that fact that

>everything under the sun (and the sun, and everything beyond the sun)

>will be discussed at great length on this list might cut down on some

>of the new-person complaining.

That is on the agenda, believe me. There are a lot of things I want to do,

but I've been insanely busy lately, so they're unfortunately coming slowly.

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[Guest guest]

I'm the moderator for the other list, and if someone posts on-topic to the

off-topic list, I won't ban them. It's too hard to figure out what is " on

topic " .... diet and health and politics are just too intertwined, and the

long discussions just go all over the place. I would encourage people who

want to get into long detailed never-ending discussions to go to the

nt_politics list though, so as not to bug the folks who want to concentrate

on cooking and health. - Heidi

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Oh yes! And with the length of our homo/asd thread on nt_politics, I was

just thinking we need to get together over a glass of wine and actually

*talk* about this stuff. And we'd get some social time to boot ;-)

Deanna

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/6/2004 6:45:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jopollack2001@... writes:

Perhaps we could have something similar here? so when

a topic goes off on a tangent, or Wanita moves it

to the POlitics boards

## It is doable if the will to do it is there. If a list of 2500 plus can do

it, this list can but the moderators have to enforce it.

I would love to see it happen. Off topic is off topic even if it says so in

the subject line.

Alison

[Guest guest]

:

>Oh yes! And with the length of our homo/asd thread on nt_politics, I was

>just thinking we need to get together over a glass of wine and actually

>*talk* about this stuff. And we'd get some social time to boot ;-)

>

>Deanna

Heh heh ... I'll discuss ANYTHING over a glass of good wine ...

if it's at my place we'll have cracked dungeness crab with garlic

oil too ... and GF French Bread ... what area of the country are

you in? We're in the Northwest (North of Seattle).

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Send me directions to your house, Heidi, and a list of your wine

preferences, so I can be a good and proper guest. Twist my arm, crab is my

favorite shellfish! Ummmmmmh!

I'm in North Texas, near Dallas/Fort Worth, in the less air polluted section

:-) Should you come here, we'll go to any culinary region you want to go.

We'll have to do things big here, Texas style. Should you come in fruit

season, we'll have whatever's in season with cream. Y'all come now!! Let's

do our feasting and chatting up big.

Hmmm. Do you make your own GF French bread? Do share!?

I'll be replying to you and others shortly on nt_politics. I just want to

plug it as a great compliment to this list. The nice thing about it is that

it is not publicly archived, thus, I feel I can really let my hair down, sip

away and even get a little frisky on the *other* list. Whether or not that

is good is subjective, of course. Much more relaxed though and young, like

a little sprout.

Deanna

Heh heh ... I'll discuss ANYTHING over a glass of good wine ...

if it's at my place we'll have cracked dungeness crab with garlic

oil too ... and GF French Bread ... what area of the country are

you in? We're in the Northwest (North of Seattle).

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Alison et al-

I'm sorry I'm a little testy today, but as I've already explained multiple

times, this is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WITHOUT RADICAL CHANGES IN 'S SOFTWARE.

>Perhaps we could have something similar here? so when

>a topic goes off on a tangent, or Wanita moves it

>to the POlitics boards

>## It is doable if the will to do it is there. If a list of 2500 plus can do

>it, this list can but the moderators have to enforce it.

>

>I would love to see it happen. Off topic is off topic even if it says so in

>the subject line.

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[Guest guest]

Agree with that this has to be software controllable. Have seen many

food related seemingly benign starting threads go into poltical and moral

debates. Only suggestion is we learn to police ourselves better.

Wanita

> Alison et al-

>

> I'm sorry I'm a little testy today, but as I've already explained multiple

> times, this is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WITHOUT RADICAL CHANGES IN 'S

SOFTWARE.

>

> >Perhaps we could have something similar here? so when

> >a topic goes off on a tangent, or Wanita moves it

> >to the POlitics boards

> >## It is doable if the will to do it is there. If a list of 2500 plus

can do

> >it, this list can but the moderators have to enforce it.

> >

> >I would love to see it happen. Off topic is off topic even if it says so

in

> >the subject line.

>

>

>

> -

[Guest guest]

At 05:59 PM 3/6/2004, you wrote:

>Send me directions to your house, Heidi, and a list of your wine

>preferences, so I can be a good and proper guest. Twist my arm, crab is my

>favorite shellfish! Ummmmmmh!

When you are in town, call. My house is almost unfindable ... but we got

shellfish!

And Longhorn.

>I'm in North Texas, near Dallas/Fort Worth, in the less air polluted section

>:-) Should you come here, we'll go to any culinary region you want to go.

>We'll have to do things big here, Texas style. Should you come in fruit

>season, we'll have whatever's in season with cream. Y'all come now!! Let's

>do our feasting and chatting up big.

Well, you should be able to get Longhorn then!

>Hmmm. Do you make your own GF French bread? Do share!?

Well, it is one of the " faffy " recipes that I still don't have down totally

right, but it makes a very fluffy bread close to Wonder Bread. It comes out

best in an Angel Food cake pan, because you can invert it while cooling,

but it might work in a baguette mold too. Also it is as nutrition-less

as French bread! But my kids love soft soft soft bread so ....

White Bread

2 1/2 c. cornstarch

1/2 c potato starch (Swan brand at the store works)

2 T sweet rice flour

1 egg white

4 1/2 t yeast

1/4 cup sugar

1 1/2 t xanthan gum

2 C hot tap water

2 1/2 T oil

1 1/2 t salt

Mix everything together in a blender. It will be a fairly thin batter. Pour it

into an UNGREASED angel food cake pan, spray some oil on top of the batter. Let

it rise, but keep an eye on it or it will rise too much. Let it rise in the oven

so you don’t have to move it. It should about double in bulk. Then turn on the

oven and bake at 300 degrees for 30 minutes, then 350 for 40 minutes. Take it

out of the oven, and invert the pan, let it cool well. Then cut it away from the

sides of the pan, push out the bottom piece, and cut it away from the bottom.

This is VERY soft bread. I freeze it before cutting.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

*******

Well, you should be able to get Longhorn then! ...

Well, it is one of the " faffy " recipes that I still don't have down totally

right, but it makes a very fluffy bread close to Wonder Bread. It comes out

best in an Angel Food cake pan, because you can invert it while cooling,

but it might work in a baguette mold too. Also it is as nutrition-less

as French bread! But my kids love soft soft soft bread so .... -- Heidi Jean

*******

Oh, thanks Heidi for the recipe! I shall try it out this week.

Well, in about a 200 yard radius from where I now sit live goats, chickens,

longhorns, ducks and horses (and dogs, cats, birds, rabbits, rodents,

reptiles). So we could have quite the meal here in Texas!

Why, did you know Texas sports the only horse slaughter facility in the

nation (cmiiw). The French eat horse. Too much of a taboo here in the

states I guess. Anyone ever eat horse meat? If so, what's it like? Sorry

to gross anyone out, but at least I'm on topic :-)

Rabbit I have eaten before, and frog legs. I haven't had rattlesnake yet,

but they live around these parts too, along with cottonmouths, copperheads,

ratsnakes, etc.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

>Well, in about a 200 yard radius from where I now sit live goats, chickens,

>longhorns, ducks and horses (and dogs, cats, birds, rabbits, rodents,

>reptiles). So we could have quite the meal here in Texas!

Wow, now THAT would be a " mixed grill " !

>Why, did you know Texas sports the only horse slaughter facility in the

>nation (cmiiw). The French eat horse. Too much of a taboo here in the

>states I guess. Anyone ever eat horse meat? If so, what's it like? Sorry

>to gross anyone out, but at least I'm on topic :-)

I think I had it once ... way too lean, like eating round steak. I don't eat

round steak,

I make it into jerky ...

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Folks,

I think the fundamental thing is that we all are in

the same boat, we all try to help each other and that

this (and all such groups) have tremendous benefits!

When people care about something it is often hard to

put emotions aside. It is also hard to control our

energy. And, what is most difficult is to fully

understand what a person is feeling, thinking and

writing when you deal with email. All those things

sometimes have a destabilizing effect!

Hopefully we can all resynch on the help and care we

offer each other and stay on the team!!

Love and Mercy,

Chris

--- Lynn & Pete <petenlynn@...> wrote:

>

> Dear Cheryl Anne,

>

> I feel that this post of yours is a very bad lapse

> of judgement on

> your part. If you have " private " conversation via

> email, why are

> you airing the conversation for the entire

> community to hear?

>

> This is one of those times where you should have

> maybe written down

> your feelings and frustations, printed it, and then

> burned it in the

> fireplace. This support group is not the appropriate

> place for you

> to air your issues with others.

>

> Isn't it enough that you battle CML, work full time,

> and run CML

> Society in Canada? Have you ever considered that

> maybe you have a

> deep seeded need for control? Maybe there is help

> out there for

> you, but this is not the place.

>

> We all come to this support group site for

> knowledge, comfort, and

> bonding with others who share our same disease. I

> have always

> appreciated anyone who takes the time and energy to

> help a fellow

> CML'er or caregiver in need. But, I feel that this

> particular post

> of your really crosses over the line.

>

> Just my thoughts, Lynn

>

> PS: I am not a moderator, co-moderator, nor ever

> wish to be one.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Last week there were a few events that transpired

> " off list " which

> > may have percipitated my being removed as a

> co-moderator of this

> > list. In an effort ot be fair an open, I wish to

> explain the

> > following.

> >

> > When Amy started this list about two years ago, I

> volunteered to

> be a

> > co-moderator and lend whatever support I could in

> helping this

> list

> > prosper after the breakdown of the original list.

> >

> > However, last week, without provocation by me,

> Tracey has decided

> to

> > remove me as co-moderator. When I asked Tracey

> why she felt it

> > necessary to remove me from the list, she said she

> had discussed

> this

> > with other co-moderators of the list, whom she

> refuses to name,

> and

> > with the list owner Amy, and that by some

> criteria, which she will

> > not tell me about, the decision was made to remove

> me as co-

> > moderator.

> >

> > Why bother airing this on the list? Will this

> post even make it

> to

> > the list? The point is that this is unacceptable

> behavior. In a

> > private e-mail with the list owner, Amy, Amy

> herself told me that

> she

> > was not involved in the decision and she was not

> even made aware

> of

> > it. It seems now that it was an arbitrary

> decision and not at all

> > handled in a fair and judicious manner. How can

> anyone who try's

> to

> > step up and be a leader here, cause friction

> against other members

> > and " stir up the pot " to use their own words. You

> would think

> that a

> > person who takes leadership would be fair,

> transparent and

> democratic

> > in their approach.

> >

> > In private communications with Tracey and Amy I

> have asked that we

> > know who the co-moderators of this list are and

> who are the co-

> > owners. Yet Tracey has said we do not need to

> know. In saying

> this

> > she is saying in fact that she does not believe

> that we CMLers who

> > share our information and participate in making

> this a viable list

> > are entitled to know who judges who can

> participate in this list

> or

> > who cannot and by what criteria are those

> decisions being made.

> >

> > This is completely unacceptable. Furthermore,

> Tracey has e-mailed

> > and spoken directly to people in an effort to

> undermine my

> > willingness to help this community and has said

> quite negative

> things

> > about me. None of which she would even know first

> hand as she has

> > never met me. Other than a couple of e-mails this

> past weekend,

> > Tracey and I have not communicated. So how she

> obtains this

> > information about me is quite mysterious to me to

> say the least.

> >

> > Why should any of us be part of this list where

> the co-owner

> insights

> > such animosity amongst its fellow leaders.

> >

> > There are other lists, who are led by people who

> have integrity

> and

> > respect the rights of all fellow patients to

> access and contribute

> to

> > information and resources for fellow CMLers. The

> other lists have

> > clear rules, do not instigate hatred and provide

> fair and

> transparent

> > leadership. We know the criteria and the rules

> and the

> moderators.

> > These very good qualities that I have pointed out

> and they are

> > seriously disregarded here.

> >

> > I believed in this list and the reasons it was

> started a couple of

> > years ago. I really like the majority of the

> people I have met

> > here. But I cannot condone such poor behavior. I

> would strongly

> urge

> > everyone of you to find your resources and help

> elsewhere in a

> more

> > warm and friendly environment.

> >

> > In the end, I am a very busy person and I do not

> have time for

> > childish games. But you all deserve to know that

> the very thing

> > those of us tried to stop by supporting the

> creation of this list

> has

> > once again happened. Once again, we are not to

> know who co-

> moderates

> > this list, nor the criteria used to moderate this

> list.

> >

> >

> >

> > Love and Peace,

> > Cheryl-Anne

> > cheryl.simoneau@...

> >

>

>

>

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