Re: Crap! Normal Blood Results but all signs lead to Hypothyroid.

March 22, 2011

just got back from the Doctors and they showed me the results, which were allnormal (TSH = 1.59) - my heart sank.

Hello and welcome J

I have just replied to the other , and what I have said to her, goes equally for you. So please read Message #79451. A "normal" TSH alone tells you `sod all' (sorry, but it does make me angry that doctors pay kudos to a parameter that is of such limited diagnostic value).

Since you already know that your adrenals are weak, you could either confirm that with a private salivary adrenal profile with Genova (details in files) so you'll know where you stand, or just start taking NAX (Nutri Adrenal Extra) 1 tablet with breakfast for about 10-14 days, then slowly up the dosage. I addition you also need to take Vit C (up to bowel tolerance – start with 1000 mg per day and slowly up the dose), Co-Q10 (at least 30 mg/day, but 100 mg or 200 mg would be better – they are quite expensive in the long run) and Selenium ~ 200 iu per day. Those all are sort of the minimum requirement to help the immune system in general and the adrenals in particular. If any of the mineral or vitamin results came back low, you would need to supplement those as well. Everything else please see message # 79451.

Best wishes,

March 22, 2011

Many thanks and Angel.

That gives me some hope, which is badly needed.

March 22, 2011

hello heather

i'm sorry you are so low ...i symphasise with the 'ending your life' mind game,

i've been in that position myself and see it as a symptom of overwhelm and

extreme exhaustion due to not enough active thyroid hormone (t3) at cellular

level ...the consequences can be severe both physically and mentally.

if you have moderate adrenal fatigure then the chances are there isn't enough

cortisol beig produced throughout the day and this could be one reason for

impaired cellular uptake of t3. i believe this situation also has an impact on

conversion of the pro-hormone (t4) to the active hormone (t3).

the general rule is to treat adrenals first and then thyroid so on that basis,

it might help you to start taking good doses of vitamin c e.g. a half to one

gram every few hours ...the body doesn't store vit c hence the divided doses.

(the adrenals are the biggest user of vit c); another good bit of adrenal

support is to take (once or twice a day) 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of unrefined sea

salt (e.g. celtic sea salt) or himalayan salt ...salt is another *fuel* for the

adrenals.

the herbs siberian ginseng and liquorice root are also adrenal supportive (they

are adaptogens and help the adrenals make whatever hormones are needed). you

can get the ginseng and liquorice on their own or as a combination. liquorice

can cause a raise in blood pressure with prolonged use so you need to be aware

of that but (i think) most people with low adrenals also have low blood

pressure.

the b vitamin panthothenic acid (b5) is also needed for adrenal support and i

would suggest taking a b complex plus an additional b5 ...the b family are

helpful for the nervous system and will do something to raise your spirits a

little. as far as diet is concerned make sure you regularly eat some good

quality saturated fats (e.g. organic butter, organic coconut oil) and keep

intake of sugars, refined and unrefined grains to a minimum.

all the above are just some practical things to get you started ...you could

also try taking adrenal glandulars (e.g. nutri adrenal and nutri adrenal extra)

and if you look in the files you will find the Nutri details where you can get a

33% discount off their products ...they also have the ginseng/liquorice i

believe). if you want to to the saliva test to see your cortisol levels at four

specific times in the day (details in the files under genova) then do not start

glandulars until after you have done the test.

if any of the following are low in their ranges, this will also impair the

body's ability to use t3:

vitamin b12, folate, magnesium, zine, copper, vit d3 and ferritin (iron store).

you say all the blood tests were normal ...what else were you tested for?

although you may not feel like it at all, if you can, try and incorporate into

your daily routine something like 20mins of (as brisk as possible) walking in

the fresh air; plus try and get to bed by 10p.m. so that the adrenals can have

the quiet they need for healing (between 11pm and around 2pm i think).

i hope you have some sympathetic friends/family to talk to but if not, never

mind, we are here for you and have all pretty much been through the mill one way

or another!

i found doing yoga saved me from complete meltdown and the beauty of it is that

it works on many levels. here's a link to a very simple breathing exercise

http://www.yogasite.com/nadi.htm

best wishes

trish

>

> Hi there,

>

> this is my first message on the forum as I was wanting to see what my blood

results said first.

I've been so low the last while, along with feeling really tired. I don't know

what I'm feeling now, I think I'm just numb and don't know what to do. Ending my

life has come into my head, but I know that is not an answer. I was hoping for

an answer to my problems, but now I'm lost.

>

> Some guidance would be appreciated.

>

March 22, 2011

> Thank you Trish,

>

> you could literally be a life saver.

The other tests were for Glucose, Kidney Function and Full Blood ----?

(I can't read the Doctor's writing)

>

March 22, 2011

have you *seen* all the other blood test results ...time and time again doctors

and/or receptionists tell the patient everything is *normal* when the truth is

that results are either above or below the ranges ...if you feel up to it ask

your surgery for a written copy of all your blood tests results (and include the

reference ranges) and post them here just in case something has been missed.

{it is your legal entitlement to have a copy of the result(s)}

for the thyroid, if it was only the tsh test then that is not particularly

helpful ....to really see what is happening you need to have free t3, free t4

and possibly auto antibodies tested as well ...are there any members of your

family who have any autoimmune disease (thyroid or otherwise)?

best wishes

trish

>

> > Thank you Trish,

> >

> > you could literally be a life saver.

> The other tests were for Glucose, Kidney Function and Full Blood ----?

> (I can't read the Doctor's writing)

> >

>

March 22, 2011

>

> Hi there,

>

> this is my first message on the forum as I was wanting to see what my blood

results said first.

>

> I just got back from the Doctors and they showed me the results, which were

all normal (TSH = 1.59) - my heart sank.

>

> Over the past two weeks my Basal Temperature has sat around 36c. The highest

it's gone was 36.8 and the lowest 34.9c. I also did the Adrenal Stress

Questionnaire which put me at Moderate Adrenal Fatigue. My other symptoms, which

I'd compared from Dr Durant-Peatfield's book also seemed to fit well with

Hypothyroid.

>

> I've been so low the last while, along with feeling really tired. I don't know

what I'm feeling now, I think I'm just numb and don't know what to do. Ending my

life has come into my head, but I know that is not an answer. I was hoping for

an answer to my problems, but now I'm lost.

>

Hi , keep strong and work hard at learning about your condition and

don't give up. You need to read books and study websites to get as much

information as possible and then you will be in a good position to get yourself

well. It is normal to feel dispair when there seems no way out, but there is a

way forward and you will find it if you follow the advice and information that

is available when you look for it. It is hard work and expensive but it is

worth it. Your first thing in my opinion would be to get a proper test for

thyroid from genova diagnostics that includes antibodies and T3, reverse T3 etc.

And to see Dr P is the best thing I ever did, I only needed one appointment and

have been able to cope from then on for myself. Love janet

March 23, 2011

Many thanks Janet for this. It's been a hard day today, but I'll soldier on with

the hope that I'll find the answer.

Thanks again,

> Hi , keep strong and work hard at learning about your condition and