RE: Re: desperate from Italy

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- go to www.tpa-uk.org.uk

and on the Home Page, in the right hand column, click on 'Dr Peatfield's

Metabolic Clinic Updates' and you can see the different places he holds his

clinics. Dr Skinner has a clinic in Birmingham and in Glasgow.

It is recommended that people try taking their synthetic

thyroxine at night, as a small study was done showing that those taking their

thyroxine at night slept better, that the T4 was better absorbed and that they

woke refreshed and felt better during the day.

Luv - Sheila

Does Dr. Skinner happen to have a clinic within easier reach of central London

than Dr. Peatfield's? I looked online but can't find a list of his clinics.

And finally, there is an article in your files which says that thyroid hormone

is absorbed better if taken last thing at night - has anyone here tried that

and found it better?

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Hello ,

The gist was that I had already just started the HC on Saturday morning as I felt so terrible on Friday, with a temperature of 37.3 dropping to 36 laterafternoon, palpitations and a really tight chest. I really felt I was on theverge of something terrible like a stroke or heart attack and as I have ahistory of both in my family, I just went for the first solution I could find. I have to say that I immediately felt a difference.

I agree with all has said in her detailed email; However, I would say that HC should be the last resort to supporting your adrenals UNLESS you have serious adrenal failure.

So I would start with vits and minerals and I will post a list later. This list includes NAX but suggest HC only if all else fails or severed problems in the first instance.....As says HC can cause you adrenals to 'shut down' and fail to 'start up' again....that is why its important to take as little HC as possible.....dont build up the dose unless you need to and further try to copy your natural body rhythm with your dosing through the day.

Don't get me wrong – many hypothyroid patients are also hypo-adrenal... but for most taking adrenal support in form of NAX and other adrenal supplements will get the adrenals back to health and their former output safely and without the use of steroids. For some, however, steroids are a necessity, and those who need them should take them. But nobody should take steroids without fully being informed about the dangers; it is always better to start reconditioning the adrenals with supplements, vitamins and minerals before using the cavalry.

I probably needed the HC - I saw some pictures online of women who have suffered myxedema, and that's exactly me - the flattened nose, swollen eye area, puffy face, horrible hair, flat chest etc.

Myxedema refers to the build up of mucin which causes what appears to be fluid retention but infact is mucin. This gives the signs you suggests in the online pictures of puffy face etc.You may have myxedema, but myxedema is due to low thyroid hormone in the cells. It is true that you need cortisol for getting the hormone into the cells, But you need the right level of cortisol since too much AND too little Cortisol will affect/prevent the thyroid hormone or supplement getting into your body's cells; but when you are hypothyroid your thyroid gland is (for whatever reason) not producing enough thyroid hormone or the thyroid gland may produce enough but it cant get into your cells for some reason...that can be due to cortisol as we mentioned or conversion

problems. Unless you know if your adrenals are actually damaged or "just" exhausted, you won't know if you really need HC supplementation; nutritional adrenal support may be enough to support the adrenal output sufficiently. If after a few months you find it's not enough, then perhaps you need HC.

However, I have ordered the NAX and all the supplements (B12, selenium with vit E, and Co-Q10), and am continuing the ones I already had. Do you think it's okay to go on with the HC for a while till I get onto the NDT, then slowly wean off it and replace with NAX?

There are others such as B5, B6, B3 and B9 (folic acid), magnesium, phosphorus and multi-mineral, EFA particularly omega 3 (for now) NAX or similar Herbal Adaptogens such as Ashwaghanda. But most definately and importantly Vitamin C in high doses to bowel tolerance.

My son, who lives in London, is also having problems and I believe they are to do with his thyroid too - anxiety, panic attacks, insomnia, etc. He went to the doctor, who wanted to put him on antidepressants, but I told him not to take them and to get his thyroid tested and to have the cortisol saliva test too before he does anything else. His TSH was 0.74, but his free T4 was 14.7 (9-26), sodium 137 (135-145), potassium 4.3 (3.5-5.3. He has Gilbert's syndrome too. He hasn't done the saliva test yet. What do you think?I would say your son has an adrenal problem. Panic attacks, anxiety, insomnia are all symptoms of adrenal dysfunction. This needs to be treated ASAP.

Whilst I would suggest it could be useful to have the 4x salivary test HOWEVER, its not esseential. I personally would consider those are adequate symptoms to give treatment.

Since the treatment is mainly vits and minerals then your not going to cause any harm. I will list the things you can do to support adrenals in another email as this is a long enough email on its own.

There are a few home tests that can be done these are not absolute that is they are not 100% but tell me which test is...certainly not the thyoid tests for sure......

Sallyxx

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Hello ,

to I probably needed the HC - I saw some pictures online of women who have suffered myxedema, and that's exactly me - the flattened nose, swollen eye area, puffy face, horrible hair, flat chest etc. Sorry I didnt mention this will resolve with good thyroid support. The mucin dissolves when you get thyroid support under control...that may include T3 rather than simply T4.

Here is the adrenal information for you son which I promised in my previous email. I have posted it previously. I hope it helps.

There is more I could go on but this is long enough. Do by the way stop all stimulants such as sugar, alcohol and caffeine etc....this is important as they stress your adrenals no end.

Sally xx

OK I will take it as though you know a little something about the adrenal glands but not a lot; so I apologise if you know some of what I write here. What I am writing is very simplistic and again I apologise for that; but the whole thing is very complicated and would need me to write a book on the subject to go into things any deeper.

a link/reference if you would like to know more go to Fatigued to Fantastic a book by Dr Teitlebaum.

Both Thyroid and Adrenal glands (on top of each kidney) are part of the Endocrine system. When one is dyfunctional its likely the other is affected also.

There are many reasons why you have thyroid dysfunction and its likely due to some sort of stressor or trigger, even if you have no family history. Both the stressor causing the thyroid dysfunction and the thyroid dysfunction itself causes the adrenal glands to increase the production of its hormones such as Adrenalin or Cortisol as it would do under stress. Further due to a likely high TISSUE calcium level due to hypothyroidism, you are likely short of magnesium. The adrenal glands adore magnesium and deficiency will affect them dearly. It is a complicated viscious cycle.

ADRENAL GLANDS

The adrenal glands produce a number of steroid hormones which are absolutely essential to life itself,

such as the corticosteroid hormone Cortisol/hydrocortisone. This hormone controls the body's use of fats, proteins and carbohydrates.

Also Corticosterone which works with cortisol to suppress the inflammatory reactions within the body, it also affects the immune system function. Aldosterone hormone controls the sodium levels excreted in the urine thus maintaining blood volume and blood pressure. Sex hormones such as the oestrogens and testosterone etc.

Androgenic steroid hormones which have some effect on male characteristics.

All of the above are released within the adrenal cortex or the outer portion of the adrenal glands alongside other hormones not listed here.

Then the medulla or the inner part of the adrenal gland produces its hormones (not so essential to life but help cope with physical and emotional stress). These are Adrenaline or epinephrine. Released during the fight or flight response to stress thus increasing both heart rate and the force of the heart contractions, it facilitates blood flow to the muscles and brain relaxes the smooth muscles and helps speed conversion of glycogen to glucose in the liver for energy amongst other things.

Another hormone called noradrenaline or norepinephrine has strong vasocontrictive effects and thus increases the blood pressure.

ADRENAL FATIGUE

Describes the decreased ability of these little glands to carry out their normal function and thus symptoms such as tiredness occur. Stress can be emotional physical environmental or mental.When these stressors (or triggers) exceed the body's capacity to adjust properly to demands put on it by the stressors Adrenal Fatigue occurs.

Anyone suffers from this including the elderly the middle aged and even teenagers and children. The causes include Chronic illness, hypothyroidism, yeast infection and malnutrition amongst other things such as disease, infection allergies and intense emotional and physical pressures or a toxic environments.

It is passed on to our children. You can recover.

MEDICAL

The adrenal glands can fail in a disease known as Cushings disease where the glands are hyperactive. The opposite is s disease or hypo-adrenia. This is recognised by medical personnel. However, a milder form of hypo-adrenia is adrenal fatigue; this is not recognised by most medical personnel, this doesnt mean its not a real problem and further that is doesnt need supportive treatement.

Due to decreased immune system function as a consequence of adrenal fatigue you may suffer recurring infections, especially of the respiratory system (including mouth/throat). There is an increase in allergic reactions when you suffer adrenal fatigue. Further since Cortisol levels may be low there is an increase in inflammatory response and further allergies.

In many cases of hypo-adrenia anxiety and panic attacks are common. These can be distressing and disabling.

Adrenal fatgiue will commonly be seen if you suffer with yeast infections and also its highly likely your thyroid function will also be affected by yeast infection too. A yeast infection MUST be treated seriously and treatment and lifestyle changes are necessary. If you have ever taken antibiotics its likely you suffer with yeast infection. I will write another blog for this subject another day.

WHAT HELPS?

Identify and remove the stressors (if possible). Change your lifestyle to suit your body's needs.

Check your medication (if any) for side effects.

Treat your yeast infection.

Diet check out any parfume, cleaning chemicals and food etc., causing an intolerance or allergy.

Eating habits should be improved by not eating 'on the hoof'; no fast food or processed foods, no convenience foods. chew your food well particularly ccarbohydrates and fats. Animals proteins tend not to taste too good when chewed for a while. Whatch out for Dairy, wheat and egg intolerance etc. If digestive problems are apparent take HCL Betaine supplement and other digestive enzymes too. (with food).

Regular intake of food so three meals and two snacks to remove liklihood of hypoglycaemia.

Water is essential to life and dehydration causes stress at the cellular level. We have no means of storing water and so must take in regular fresh water, (exluding all other drinks). Dehydration slows down body metabolism and for those suffering hypothyroidism and adrenal fatigue, this causes many problems.

Drink 250ml glass of water 20mins before and meal and 20 mins after a meal. Eating food itself can exacerbate dehyration. Drink also 1 glass before bedtime and immediately upon waking.

Water has a slight diuretic effect since we dont store water we excrete any excess. Threfore you can loose some minerals when excreting water so take a multi-mineral.

Constipation and irregular bowel movements can affect the adrenal glands and adrenal fatigue. This may improve with the use of HCL (Betaine) with food and vitmain C, exercise etc.

Exercise in moderation but not so as to cause stress on the body and relaxation too (learn techniques to suit you).

Sleep is important to good adrenal health and if sleep is affected its likely due to either high or low cortisol levels and hypoglycaemia (see below). This will resolve in time with improved health. Take more low GI foods before bedtime to help with hypoglycaemia commonly occuring around 2-3am causing you to wake.

Smoking places stress upon all aspects of the body including the lungs and adrenal glands, it also depletes the body of Vitamin C which the adrenals adore; thus accelerating Adrenal Fatigue.

Pregnancy can lead to adrenal fatigue and a womans menstral cycle is also affected.

Hypoglycaemia has a connection too, to adrenal fatigue. When the adrenals are fatigued Cortisol output is reduced. ~Cortisol is required by the body to convert stored blood sugar in the liver to glucose (an active blood sugar). When, in adrenal fatigue, lower cortisol levels occur there is a corresponding diminished ability for the live to complete conversion.

Fats, proteins and carbohydrates other sources of glucose, can also not be readily converted into active blood sugar. The adrenal hormones control these energy sources and hence healthy adrenal function is vital to achieving and maintaing normal blood sugar levels and more especially during times of body stress.

In addition during stress there is an increase in demand for energy and so the body increases insulin production from the pancreas. Without adequate cortisol levels to facilitate the conversion of glycogen, fats and protein to new glucose supplies, the increased demand is impossible to meet and thus the combination of increased insulin and low glucose availability leads to low blood sugar (hypoglycaemia).

To the body hypoglycaemia is a strong stressor indeed, like an emergency call to further drain the already compromised adrenal glands.

Since our brain needs a good food supply and that food is glucose, when low blood sugar levels occur the brain cells and its function is also affected.

Low blood sugar levels also affect Melatonin and Seratonin release.

HOW DO YOU KNOW FOR SURE ITS YOUR ADRENALS.

well firstly if you have had a yeast infection your adrenals will have been affected.

If you have hypothyroidism you have adrenal fatigue also.

If you have had any other illness, surgery or stressor you have adrenal fatigue.

Even if you have had a broken relationship or lost someone through death you will have adrenal fatigue.

The severity will vary of course but it still needs treating as it will only get worse over time.

ARE THERE ANY TESTS?

I know there are some amongst you who will need convincing. Well I cant do that but I can give you a few home tests. Put all the jigsaw together and make a judgement yourself.

These can be done at home and are not absolute but give a good guide as to what is happening with your adrenals.

Take your temperature pulse and BP and record it over 5 days.

Take your temperature with a reliable thermometer first thing in the morning upon waking.This is your Basal Temperature test.

Then take it every three hours through the day avoiding food and drink by 20mins.

Then average out each of the different times recordings soaverage out all the basal temps, the mid morning temps, the mid day temps, the early after noon temps, the early evening temps the mid evening temps and late evening temps over those 5 days.

Then it is the variance of these averages you are looking at. Excluding your basal temperature that is useful for identifying the extent of your hypothyroidism.

The other temps you have taken througout the day will indicate whether you have some adrenal fatigue. if the variance of thefinal average temperature recordings vary by more than 0.2 F then it is highly likely you have AF.

Another test is to take your BP whilst sitting or lyingdown. Do this once you have rested in that position and are calm for 10mins. Then stand up and take your BP again if there is a drop its likely you have adrenal fatigue. You may have experienced feeling light headed or dizzy upon getting out of bed or out of a chair previously.

If your BP is not high and you often feel dizzy or lightheaded or crave salty foods then its likely you are short of sodium; then you should start adding salt a good sea salt to your food and even taking a half teaspoon in a glass of luke warm water in the morning and afternoon according to your own needs.

Another test is to take a friend and a torch into a darkened room with a mirror.Get your freind to look at your eye pupil do one side of the face at a time. Both of you should look into the mirror and observe the result of what happens to your pupils. Allow your eyes to adjust to the darkness. Theswitch on the torch beam and shine it from the side of your face toward the bridge of your nose so the beam hits your eyes. Watch carefully and kee this up for 3minutes.

The purpose of your friend is to ensure you dont miss anything and that you confirm your findings.

If your pupil big in the dark suddenly gets very small and contracts and firmly stays like that its highly likely you are not AF. IF HOWEVER, your wide open pupil constricts but then slightly relaxes (this can be really slight this is where you need your friend to watch carefully too) and constricts again and then slightly relaxes and constricts again; this is highly likely due to AF.

Another test and possibly the final one for here is expose your belly. Get someone whome you know for sure is healthy and fit and has not got AF. Get them to copy everything you do.

Get a sharp but blunt item, so you dont cut yourself but you need to scratch your belly, just below your bellybutton. Scratch a line across from one side to the other. A tooth pick would do it or the prong on a fork.

Watch the result and compare to your friend; but if your doing it alone if your scratch mark which should initially be white changes to pink quite quickly within 1-2 mins then its likely you donot have AF; but if the scratch mark remains white for more than 1-2 minutes its likely you have AF.

SUPPLEMENTATION ROAD TO RECOVERY.

Adrenal Glandulars. Nutri Adrenal Extra or a good source. (I dont benefit) but something similar on the net plenty are available. StressEnd available on Amazon is also good. Both I think include glandulars and a number of vits and minerals too; but that doesnt preclude you from needing the following.

These work by giving the adrenal glands a leg up/support. The tissue is the same as the adrenals itself and often either porcine or bovine and works in a similar way to desiccated thyroid or NDT such as Armour. They are important and you can dose according to your need.

Vitamin C complex

Probably the most important of all for adrenal recovery. As cortisol is used by the body there is an increased need for Vitamin C. Our adrenal glands manufacture adrenal steroid hormones using vitamin C and is used along the 'adrenal cascade' and acts as a powerful antioxidant within the adrenal cortex. The adrenal glands are thirsty for Vitamin C.

High doses are therefore required by the body during adrenal fatigue recovery. Vitamin C is a water soluable and quickly used up by the body and so needs to be replenished throughout the day as it is not manufactured by our body and is not stored by the body either. So regula doses three or four times through the daytime are required.

Vitamin C requires Bioflavanoids for the most beneficial effect. Always purchase the best quality natural supplements you can afford and read their lables to check exactly what they contain.

VITAMIN C TOLERANCE LEVEL is individual to each of us. Take 500mgs Vitamin C hourly until you get a runny 'tummy' and loose bowels. Stop at this point and take no more.

Calculate how much vitamin C you have taken deduct the last 500mgs which sent you to the bathroom and this is your total daily dose. Divide this dose by three or four and this is how much you need to take either three or four times daily.

If you suffer any acute illness you may need to increase this dose until you feel improvement. If you stop taking Vitmain c for any reason lower the dose slowly over a little time.

If taking anticoagulant medication you should use vitamin C with caution and under medical supervision. This doesnt preclude you from taking it as the adrenal glands need this essential vitamin in order to function.

Vitamin C supports the immune system aiding in fighting any infection but also helping the adrenals in responding to the stressful situation that infection imposes upon your body. Taking good fruit and vegetables is essential but also supplement as you cannot get high enough levels through eating fruit and vegetables. Amla or Indian Gooseberry is the richest source of Viotamin C, this fruit is used in Ayurvedic medicine.

Vitamin E.

In the form of both mixed tocopherols and tocotrienols around 800iu daily for at least 12 weeks.

A fat soluble vitamin works in tandem with Vitamin C keeping the adrenal functioning at optimal levels. It is essential for free radical scavenging caused by the manufacture of adrenal hormones. These free radicals cause considerable damage to cells otherwise. Vitamin E absorbs and neutalises these free radical molecules.

Essential fatty acids

EFA's particularly omega 3. Usually the western diet is low in omega 3 and high in omega 6 and omega 9 in smaller quantities. Omega 3 is anti-inflammatory and omega 6 is pro-inflammatory. With inflammatory disorders it is best to avoid omega 6 although in health they should be in balance due to excessive omega 6 in our diet taking omega 3 supplements for some for 2years, should reinstate balance.

Vitamin B complex

take a strong vitamin B complex; that is around 50 - 100mgs of each of its constituent parts.

A vitamin B complex is necessary in addition to those individual B vitamins listed below. B vitamin s are water soluble and a regular intake is necessary.

Vitamin B3

Niacin 20mgs is used by adrenal glands to manufacture its many hormones. Large amount of B3 are requred to facilitate some of the crucial enzymatic reactions.

If flushing occurs this will pass after 1 week or use the non-flushing formulae. Nicin is used to help reduce cholesterol blood levels.

Vitamin B5

Panthotenic acid contributes to the adrenal cascade and combined with magnesium, Vitamin e and C increases energy production thus helping to relieve fatigue from the adrenal glands without over stimulating them at the same time. Take around 1500mgs daily for around 12 weeks.

Vitamin B6

~Commonly associated with the relief of PMS, it is also a co-factor in enzymatic pathways in the adrenal cascade. Take 50-100mgs daily.

Vitamin B12

Cobalamin helps with the formation and regenreation or red blood cells and nerve tissue and helps in the utilization of fats, proteins and carbohydrates. Deficiency leads to anaemia and fatigue and treatemnt is with injection. Its natural sources are animal proteins. Only small amounts are needed as this vitamin is stored by the body and deficency takes around 5-6 years. Vegetarians and Vegans need supplementation. 6mcgs daily.

To allow the absorption of B12 the stomach needs to produce Intrinsic Factor along with Hydrochloric acid. the production of both HCL and intrinsic factor is diminished in hypothyroids and therefore absorption impaired. Take a sublingual form if necessary.

Magnesium

A catalyst for both adrenal function and the energy portion in every single cell in the body. This is a very important mineral and often is low in a Western diet and further in hypothyroidism. It works in conjunction with Vitamin C, B5 and E to potentate the actions of the adrenals. Take 400mgs citrate at night. Take more during times of high stress and take your supplement with acidic drinks such as tomato juice for optimum absorption.

Magnesium levels are often depleted in adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism. Magnesium is needed to ensure calcium levels in the tissues are not excessive and to ensure it gets stored in bones and teeth.

Phosphorus

Needed for normal bone and tooth structure and is very inter-related with the action of other minerals especially calcium and vitamin D.

Trace Minerals

such as chromium, zinc, manganese, selenium, iodine, molybdenum and copper all play a part in adrenal recovery and have a calming effect on the body. They are also necessary for good bone health. Take before bedtime with an acidic juice drink.

CoQ10 important for mitochondria to function and essential if you're taking Statins. Muscle weakness can be improved with CoQ10.

Herbs

Astralagus is an adaptogenic herb useful for the immune systems and protecting the body against the negative effects of stress in the long term. Used to combat chi deficiency in fatigue and adrenal fatigue. Dont take with a fever.

Ashwaghanda another adaptogenic herb with therapeutic benefits for the adrenal glands. do not take with Astralagus, (use one or the other). Helpful in normalising cortisol levels. Becareful not to take high doses as this can suppress adrenal function.

Ginger

Another adaptogen helpful to the adrenals for modulating cortisol levels and normalising blood pressure and heart rate. It also has the effect of lowering cholesterol levels and burning fat and increasing metabolic fucntion and thus energy levels. Ginger is a digestive stimulant increasng enzyme secretion. African Ginger is an immuno stimulant an antibiotic and an anti-inflammatory.

OTHER THINGS

Adrenal glandulars are very important and these are similar to desiccated thyroid glandulars but adrenal! Available through Nutri Ltd. Nutri Adrenal Extra I use myself a brilliant product well recommended.

If your adrenals are very poorly you may need DHEA OR Pregnenolone or hydrocortisone (but hydrocortisone you need your docs input)

make sure you dont have a yeast infection adn if so treat it otherwise adrenal health cannot be restored until the yeast is countered.

Support your liver during poor health. The liver is your detoxifying organ and carrys out a multiple jobs. It is often also under a great deal of stress when hypothyroidism and adrenal fatigue is evident. Milk Thistle Silymarin.

Take pro biotics to support good gut bacteria. Pre biotics also. Glutamine a normally abundant amino acid can be diminished in hypothyroidsim due to digestive absoprtion particularly protein, problems. Important for adrenal recover as a precursor of Glutathione; an antioxidant involved in many cellular functions. Glutamine reduces lactic acid build up (a waste product) and helps heal the gut wall.

HCL (Betaine) supplements your own stomach acid and helps absorption of nutrients into the blood stream and stimulates the secretion of pancreatic enzymes....It is also essential for instrinsic factor to be produced in the stomach. This inturn is essential for Vitamin B12 absorption.

Sodium. If you feel dizzy, lightheaded or faint you may need to increase your sodium and you can do that by taking good pure sea salt in slightly luke warm water and drinking it and then following that with another glass of water.

All of the above are without problems and dont need docs input.

OK I will update this as necessary only my brain is hurting now!! and the sun is shining. Any questions pleae do ask. Any comments always welcome too.

Lots of information on the net or in your library; do read and educate yourself.

How long to get better? ah well that depends on how long you have been ill and usually its a long time. Give it at least 1-18months...yeah I told you....and often you will need to continue using some of these for longer even for life as they are helpful to our body anyhow. Some I have identified as short term.

[Guest guest]

Hi , this is in the Home Testing for Adrenals in the

Adrenal Folder in the Files section. It is called 'Sergeants Line' or something

similar if I remember off the top of my head. Perhaps you need to go there

again and check out all the 'Home Tests'.

Luv - Sheila

Another test and possibly the

final one for here is expose your belly. Get someone whom you know for sure is

healthy and fit and has not got AF. Get them to copy everything you do. Get a

sharp but blunt item, so you don't cut yourself but you need to scratch your

belly, just below your bellybutton. Scratch a line across from one side to the

other. A tooth pick would do it or the prong on a fork.

Watch the result and compare to

your friend; but if you're doing it alone - if your scratch mark which should

initially be white changes to pink quite quickly within 1-2 mins then its

likely you donot have AF; but if the scratch mark remains white for more than

1-2 minutes its likely you have AF.

....and there was I,

thinking I knew them all.... Good one, Sally, thanks J I had not heard of this one

before. Just tested myself.... twice .... it turned pink in under 2

minutes – just! ... 1 min, 57 seconds, on both occasions, give or take a

second (and that in year 4 on adrenal support <sigh>). Thought I'd do

better by now.....

I've got another

one to add to your collection J

Stand to attention,

feet parallel, eyes shut, both arms hanging at your sides. Then put one foot in

front of the other – heel to toe – with your eyes firmly shut.

If you can do that

without wobbling, then your adrenals should be ok..... I nearly toppled Dr.

Peatfield's filing cabinet in an attempt not to fall over..... still

can't do that one without wobbling; pupils are still zooming in and out a bit

and BP is still dropping from sitting to standing.... Tough nuts to crack, them

adrenals ... <g>

Love,

[Guest guest]

They sure are!

However, slowly but surely they do improve...I have gone from the situation you describe below to now being able to stand on one leg to put my socks on without falling over.....I did it using the protocol I have published. It just takes a long time. No magic miracles with thyroid and adrenals I'm afraid....xxx

I nearly toppled Dr. Peatfield's filing cabinet in an attempt not to fall over..... still can't do that one without wobbling; pupils are still zooming in and out a bit and BP is still dropping from sitting to standing.... Tough nuts to crack, them adrenals ... <g>

Love,

[Guest guest]

Personally I would do the Genova 24 hr Urine test for thyroid function as well as the blood test...the urine test shows what the thyroid is producing and what the body has used...this is much more reliable than blood test since is relates to what has actually happened not what might happen.

If his temp is normal or very near normal then that rules it out really.

Oh golly tonsilectomy has a good record of thyroid damage.....but I would definately get him on adrenal support anyhow...this may help him enormously and even allow the body to use his own thyroid hormone better. Sally xx

Hello , thank you for your detailed reply. I'm awaiting my NAX order which they say has been dispatched and will do as you suggest as I definitely don't want to stay on HC - I know that it's hard to get off it, so don't want to become dependent on it.As for my son, his doctor is refusing to do a full thyroid panel (it's the usual story of "it can't be your thyroid) so we're going to go the private route. Any suggestions on private labs in central London where they also draw the blood themselves please? - obviously his doctor is not going to want to draw blood for him, so we need somewhere that does it themselves. He's going to do the salivary test with Genova Diagnostics, unless we find a lab that's not ridiculously expensive which offers both tests and will also start monitoring his basal temps - if they are fine (what level rules out thyroid?), is it not worth doing the thyroid tests? He had his tonsils out some years

back and soon after, began suffering anxiety, panic attacks, sleeplessness, fatigue, general nervousness and he's put on unexplained weight. Before that, he was a healthy young man, very sporty and with a nice trim figure and he always slept well (too well!). Thanks again for the help.>> > You don't have to wait - you could start NAX and take it> simultaneously with HC and gradually reduce the HC as you go up > >

[Guest guest]

There are still Bovine sources of NDT being manufactured, but

too busy right now to go and look. I apologise if I am not up to date on this,

but almost sure it is still being made.

Luv - Sheila

They used to

be both but since BSE it seems they stopped the bovine and I dont know of a

source of bovine. Sally xx

Sorry, forgot to

mention.....

....is

all NDT porcine or can it be bovine too?

[Guest guest]

bEST OF LUCK ALICIA. do let us know how it goes. Sally xx

I've already ordered the total thyroid screen test, so will wait for that one first and then see whether to proceed to the other one and perhaps adrenal saliva, if necessary. I'll suggest he starts on adrenal support in the meantime - perhaps I'll give him my NAX too as I shan't be using it.Thanks again for your support!

[Guest guest]

It possibly is still being made but I'm not able to find a source to recommend... Do you know of one for sheila?

Sally xx

There are still Bovine sources of NDT being manufactured, but too busy right now to go and look. I apologise if I am not up to date on this, but almost sure it is still being made.

Luv - Sheila

They used to be both but since BSE it seems they stopped the bovine and I dont know of a source of bovine. Sally xx

Sorry, forgot to mention.....

....is all NDT porcine or can it be bovine too?

[Guest guest]

, so long as the bottles have not been opened and their

seal is still in place, do return the Nutri Adrenal Extra to Nutri ltd and tell

them that you had not realised they were bovine and that you have a reaction to

anything bovine. They will be happy to send the cost back to you.

Luv - Sheila

Yes, the Dr. 's powder sounds good as it has lots of things in it,

including ashwaganda - will just have to work out what vitamins I'm already

taking and work round that. I've found it online in the UK for £38 for 300g. Perhaps

I'll try it - I've spent so much already, a little more isn't going to matter

if it works! Pity I hadn't realised about the NAX being bovine before I ordered

it! (still hasn't arrived here.

thanks again!

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[Guest guest]

He could do the adrenal questionnaire in our FILES SECTION

and the Home Testing' to see whether there is a possibility of low

adrenal reserve. Go to thyroid treatment

and click on the folder entitled 'ADRENALS'. On that page, scroll down to the

Home Tests he can do and then to the Adrenal Questionnaire and he should answer

all the questions to see how he scores. He may not need to spend money getting

the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile.

Luv - Sheila

I've already ordered the total thyroid screen

test, so will wait for that one first and then see whether to proceed to the

other one and perhaps adrenal saliva, if necessary. I'll suggest he starts on

adrenal support in the meantime - perhaps I'll give him my NAX too as I shan't

be using it.

Thanks again for your support!

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http://www.the-natural-choice.co.uk/Bovine-Thyroid-Concentrate-Tablets.html

http://www.bigvits.co.uk/products.asp?cid=138

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000X9KQ3Y/ref=asc_df_B000X9KQ3Y1603785?smid=A1N6ISL486J30M & tag=dealtmp3675-20 & linkCode=asn & creative=395129 & creativeASIN=B000X9KQ3Y

http://www.vitalbee.com/american-biologics-thyroid-130-mg-90-tablets.html?gdftrk=gdfV21979_a_7c384_a_7c1008_a_7cAB1022

We at TPA always recommend the natural desiccated porcine

thyroid extract but there really does appear to be no reason why bovine thyroid

extract cannot be used just as safely and effectively for those who have an

allergy to pork products - so long as the desiccated thyroid comes from New

Zealand. Please read the information here http://www.life-enhancement.com/article_template.asp?id=592

Luv - Sheila

It

possibly is still being made but I'm not able to find a source to

recommend... Do you know of one for sheila?

Sally xx

There are still Bovine sources of NDT

being manufactured, but too busy right now to go and look. I apologise if I am

not up to date on this, but almost sure it is still being made.

Luv - Sheila

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alicia what good news.....such a great story. Well done.

can I just check that you have sorted out any yeast problems you may have with all those antibiotics?

Yes...for sure I think we all feel angry since they rob of us of so much....and its often for their financial gain or just laziness.....ARGGH....but for you well done.

Sally xx

Wow, I look at the adrenal questionnaire and scored top marks in nearly everything - including having hyperpigmentation not only round the elbows and all my scars, but also hyper patches on my cheeks, which I have been battling to get rid of for ages now. The good news is that they're already visibly fading!! I can't believe it! And my skin, which was always reddened round the nose/cheek area, with pustules, is clearing up. -->

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This all sounds amazing and I hope that this will become

the first day of your life *grin*. Go to our web site www.tpa-uk.,org.uk and click on

'Hypothyroidism, and then click on the drop down Menu 'Associated Conditions'

and read Dr Peatfield's paper about the adrenal/thyroid connection http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk/thyroid_adrenal_dysfunction.pdf.

I would be tempted to print it off and give a copy to your GP and ask him why

it is that he appears to be completely unaware of such an association between

the two. Doesn't he even know that in the Patient Information Leaflet (PIL)

tucked away inside every box of levothyroxine that it states that patients

should tell their doctor if they are suffering from a disease causing decreased

functioning of the adrenal glands - I honestly bet he doesn't even know.

Get him to check out your ferritin, B12, D3, magnesium, folate

copper and zinc levels to see whether any of these are low in the range.

Luv - Sheila

I even stopped swimming because I got dizzy in

the water and was afraid of something happening to me (apart from feeling far

too tired to even try). Yesterday I had my first swim in the sea in ages

without being dizzy - I live on the sea, 5 min walk down to the water so am

usually one of the first in there when spring comes, but this year I hadn't

been yet!). And the constant lightheadedness and unexplained ache round my neck

and shoulders which has plagued me for years is going.

I know it's a long way yet, and that I may take some steps backwards at times,

but I'm happy to have made a good start to getting this resolved! Now that I

actually know what it is, at least I can try taking steps to remediate whenever

I'm going wrong (with a little help and support from all of you here!).

[Guest guest]

Hi , I thought you had sent a message (was it

you????)asking for companies that actually manufactured bovine thyroid extract

and to let have it - or am I dreaming. Somebody did when we were

talking about bovine v porcine extract.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila,

sorry, you misunderstood :-) I wasn't looking for a bovine source as that's

what I'm allergic to (not allergic, intolerant). I wanted a porcine source. I

was trying to find out if the one I'm using, Cinetic, the Italian version of

Armour, is bovine or porcine as I would hate it to turn out to be bovine and

here I am happily taking it! I wouldn't want to cause myself other problems

down the line :-(

thanks for looking for those and so sorry you wasted your time!

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[Guest guest]

That truly is excellent news that is one big thing not to have to worry about and sort out. xxx

funnily enough, yeast was one problem I never had, though I fully expected it over the years. I always took probiotics and a few other supplements when I took antibiotics, and I also massaged myself with an anti-fungal essential oil mix so perhaps those things helped. At least I got away with one thing! :-)