Re: What are your thoughts on this please?

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris: For me this is the interference of very hot weather. The adrenals take

a beating when it warms up...If you can up the isocort or whatever it is you

take for adrenals, see if this helps you. I have to double my adrenal meds in

the summer and lower my thyroid meds. It is very much the nauseous-ness which

will overcome if I don't protect my adrenals.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers,

JOT

> +very low mood (not like me, not this low)

> +slow thoughts

> +slower bowels (could be iron slowing things down tho but it wasn't this slow

before even with iron)

> +a can't be bothered attitude (not like me)

> +irritability

> +feel nauseous

> +lack of appetite

> +mornings worse than ever

[Guest guest]

i'm on 25-30mg of hc a day though? thanks for your thoughts

>

> Hi Chris: For me this is the interference of very hot weather. The adrenals

take a beating when it warms up...If you can up the isocort or whatever it is

you take for adrenals, see if this helps you. I have to double my adrenal meds

in the summer and lower my thyroid meds. It is very much the nauseous-ness which

will overcome if I don't protect my adrenals.

>

> Just my thoughts.

> Cheers,

> JOT

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris:

Can you up your celtic sea salt? The adrenals need salt like lungs need air.

You can take up to 1 Tablespoon a day. Maybe 1/2 teaspoon several times

throughout the day? We lose more salt in the warmer weather and we need to keep

the electrolyte system in full steam ahead....lots of good filtered water and

those trace minerals should help. Or are you already doing this?

Cheers,

JOT

> i'm on 25-30mg of hc a day though? thanks for your thoughts

>

[Guest guest]

Hi chris,

I'm sorry to hear you are suffering.

Certainly those symptoms seem to indicate hypothyroidism. I think I noted your not on supplements for thyroid; but you are on 25-30mgs of HC AND pregnenolone AND DHEA AND testosterone.......THAT IS AN AWFUL LOT OF STUFF for adrenals....I was always under the impression that if you take DHEA you shouldnt also take pregnenolone and further if your taking DHEA you dont usually also need testosteron.

Pregnenolone is made from cholesterol; DHEA is made from pregnenolone and Testosterone is made from DHEA........So is this for adrenal support or is it for libido or measured hormone deficiency?

I personally feel this might just be too much....and I also favour more vits and minerals and less hormones for adrenals support.

Why are you taking copper and Iron? I note your not taking a multi-mineral. Further you should only take Iron supplement IF YOUR ARE IRON DEFICIENT ANAEMIC.....otherwise too much iron can actually depress the function of thyroid hormone in the body...

so I think you need to review what your taking and why your taking it? and reconsider your adrenal support.

You say you carry a lot of weight..is your diet good and your drink too? this all has a huge bearing on how your body is and if your not eating well what is the point of supplementation?......perhaps you could tell us more about these things.

Sally xx

Hi allAs some of you may know, I recently went overseas to see a dr specialising in hormone treatment.I was given a variety of things, including, copper, iron, vitamin D, Vitamin A, pregnenolone, dhea and testosterone. I initially started to feel quite well, however, now I do not feel very well at all, especially this week with the awful hot weather. i have recently switched from testosterone jabs (which weren't doing an awful lot for me but did do something),

[Ed]

[Guest guest]

hi Sally

thanks for reading and your thoughts

> Testosterone is made from DHEA........

maybe, but adrenals don't produce much testostrone from dhea in a man?

" The largest amounts of testosterone (>95%) are produced by the testes in men "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone#Biosynthesis

>So is this for adrenal support or is it

> for libido or measured hormone deficiency?

based on blood tests and symptoms.

> I personally feel this might just be too much....and I also favour more vits

and

> minerals and less hormones for adrenals support.

hmm, i don't - not if you've tried them and they don't do anything. tried all

the vits and minerals etc. tried them every which way. suspect i have problems

with enzymes or inhertied problems with adrenals.

> Why are you taking copper and Iron? 

it was prescribed/recommended - i am low in both copper and ferritin

>> Further you should only take Iron supplement IF YOUR ARE IRON DEFICIENT

> ANAEMIC.....otherwise too much iron can actually depress the function of

thyroid

> hormone in the body...

i have low ferritin, other people with low ferritin - who aren't iron deficient

anemic - also take iron to get ferritin up?

> so I think you need to review what your taking and why your taking it? and

> reconsider your adrenal support.

yes but that'll be hard if i'm not seeing the dr again for a few months

> You say you carry a lot of weight..is your diet good and your drink too? 

this

> all has a huge bearing on how your body is and if your not eating well what is

> the point of supplementation?

true, but it's a symptom - you could say that about poeple with hypothyroid too?

people with hypo t are frequently told the same thing at their GPs?

i have Insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome not treated for a long time

(with testosterone or metformin). even now my testosterone levels are crap,

when it's been proven that T can help with met syndrome and reverse it if done

in time and sufficeint levels and diet and stuff . have had to fight so long to

try and get T and now it doesn't work because of the rubbish formulation. and

adrenals were completely done in for a long time and couold not regulate blood

sguar at all. also i had a year - at least - of severe untreated sleep apnea ,

i actually suspcet it was **many** years, and that can seriously mess up the

body. blood oxygen levels were going down to 83% at times. i was stopping

breathing 90 times an hour. guess how much damage that did to my body short

and long term. anything i'm doing now is trying to unravel what the problem was

at the start, and mitigate damage done now.

best wishes

chris

[Guest guest]

Hi chris,

They were simply my thoughts in response to you asking for opinions. thanks for reading and your thoughts

> Testosterone is made from DHEA........maybe, but adrenals don't produce much testostrone from dhea in a man? "The largest amounts of testosterone (>95%) are produced by the testes in men" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone#Biosynthesis

I'm not suggesting DHEA is the only source of Testosterone, I just thought that with all the other testosterone you are taking, this may be an addition too much. Just as women have most of their oestrogens progesterones etc made in the ovary (we do have a fall due to menopause) but our adrenals are a source simultaneously and of course take over when ovaries fail us. >So is this for adrenal support or is it> for libido or measured hormone deficiency?based on blood tests and symptoms. So for adrenals?> I personally feel this might just be too much....and I also favour more vits and> minerals and less hormones for adrenals support.hmm, i don't - not if you've tried them and they don't do anything. tried all the vits and minerals etc. tried

them every which way. suspect i have problems with enzymes or inhertied problems with adrenals. OK; difference of opinion. I do favour natural methods over other synthetic methods but will accept other synthetic methods if natural methods are not appropriate or inadequate. However, many of the books and articles I have read on hormone and their imbalance suggest if short of testosterone etc., dont necessarily give testosterone etc. Indded you are taking other hormones such as pregnenolone and DHEA as well as testosterone. I was just suggesting is that over kill. You say no so thats OK.> Why are you taking copper and Iron? it was prescribed/recommended - i am low in both copper and ferritin The copper and Iron question was in relation to balance and again this thing that if you take copper that this doesnt affect other metals such as zinc etc. Just

so your aware. You probably are.>> Further you should only take Iron supplement IF YOUR ARE IRON DEFICIENT> ANAEMIC.....otherwise too much iron can actually depress the function of thyroid> hormone in the body...i have low ferritin, other people with low ferritin - who aren't iron deficient anemic - also take iron to get ferritin up?> so I think you need to review what your taking and why your taking it? and> reconsider your adrenal support.yes but that'll be hard if i'm not seeing the dr again for a few months I'm not quite sure what we on here can say to you then.> You say you carry a lot of weight..is your diet good and your drink too? this> all has a huge bearing on how your body is and if your not eating well what is> the point of supplementation?true, but it's a symptom - you could say that about poeple with

hypothyroid too? people with hypo t are frequently told the same thing at their GPs? That was not a suggestion you are greedy with food simply that you should check you are eating the right, good food. I didnt mention portion sizes, but for sure many people dont even know what a 'good diet' is. I assume from your response that you do. That is excellent.i have Insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome not treated for a long time (with testosterone or metformin). even now my testosterone levels are crap, when it's been proven that T can help with met syndrome and reverse it if done in time and sufficeint levels and diet and stuff . have had to fight so long to try and get T and now it doesn't work because of the rubbish formulation. and adrenals were completely done in for a long time and couold not regulate blood sguar at all. also i had a year - at least - of severe untreated sleep apnea , i actually

suspcet it was **many** years, and that can seriously mess up the body. blood oxygen levels were going down to 83% at times. i was stopping breathing 90 times an hour. guess how much damage that did to my body short and long term. anything i'm doing now is trying to unravel what the problem was at the start, and mitigate damage done now.I am sorry about your situation. I understand about those things I have suffered some difficulty with my health. Unfortunately these things are never simple and therefore the answer is never simply and sometimes is also illusive. You really have to keep on searching for the answers and hopefully find a doc who will listen. Havent we heard that before?

best wishes

sally xx

[Guest guest]

Hi Sally :-)

i agree with a lot of what you say - hope i didn't come across as too

disagreeable! - it's good to get opinions which is waht i asked for.

re : testosterone. i agree giving T isn't actually the best answer; ideally,

i'd try other methods like taking HCG or Clomid, but those methords aren't

supported widely and because of the fear of metabolic syndrome worsening (google

it, it ain't good), and my really bad state of health last year, i wanted

something i know would work - i have no need to be fertile but obviously taking

T shuts all kinds of things down and it isn't the best solution by anymeans. i

have tried herbs and all that stuff and it's a hiding to nothing. i'm open

minded but tried most of that stuff before. just give me what'll work, be that

oak tree leaves, testosterone or whatever.

>Indded you are taking other hormones such as pregnenolone

> and DHEA as well as testosterone. I was just suggesting is that over kill.Â

You

> say no so thats OK.

it could well be, but i have to put my faith in what i've been told to take! i

don't take it blindly and without question, but. i am also going by how i feel

; before belgium i told them i felt 2 out of 10 all the time, now it's perhaps 3

or 4. i'lll go by how i feel as much as anything.

i'm aware of the copper and zinc thing, yeah, thing is my zinc was actually too

high as well as copper being too low so taking copper for a few months (and vit

D, and Vit A, which i was both low in) should sort it out.

>> yes but that'll be hard if i'm not seeing the dr again for a few months I'm

not

> quite sure what we on here can say to you then.

say whatever you want :-) , i'm asking for opinions, specifically whehter my

symptoms sounded hypothyroid!

re: food

 That was

> not a suggestion you are greedy with food simply that you should check you are

> eating the right, good food. I didnt mention portion sizes, but for sure

many

> people dont even know what a 'good diet' is. I assume from your response

that

> you do. That is excellent.

hmm i may have sounded a bit over defensive there but there is an assumption

societally of " he or she just eats x or y all day and doesn't exercise " . yes i

know what a good diet is and i admit i don't always stick to it. i also until

very recently had major hypo-glycemia symptoms in between meals, until taking

chromium with my adrenal support. that really upset things i can tell you! i

would have to eat junk to get my blood sugar up. so i'm not gonna say oh all i

eat is carrot sticks and i put on weight doing that. diet at times has been bad

but that is a symptom too; when i feel better i crave healthier foods, and these

sustain me. when i don't, they do nothing for me, i need more energy (and yes i

realise this is a short temr thing)

before my healht collappsed in 2008 (and it wasn't that good before that) i had

tried the bodybuilding style of eating 6x a day, and that helped a bit tho in

other ways it caused more blood sugar issues as it keptmy insulin levels up

possibly encouraging resistance; i was near my ideal weight then but then after

stress it all went wrong.

i have to be careful as with metabolic syndrome tha'ts about insulin resistance

etcetc; it's a job to know what to do - little or often, or 3 small meals with

sufficient gaps in between to rest the pancreas and let the insulin levels go

ddown to encourage fat burning? who knows; there's no good medical advice on it

that i've found anyway -certainly the UK doctors i've seen know nothing.

anyway i now don't feel hypoglycemic between meals. now it's a more

psychological thing of thinking do i really want this, vs ' i need this boost

bar to get my blood sugar up fast, maybe 2 or three of them - it's an emergency'

and i'm ok now with eating less, less energy explosive food. blood sugar issues

were really bad i can't stress this enough. so now this is better i am now

thinking about portion control more too as well as what i eat. the sleep apnoea

messed up everything i think. weight is stable now but not really coming down.

but it is a symptom, not a cause, as i had it before - endo tried telling me the

symptoms i had when i was 20 were because i'd always been fat - wasn't true at

all, i was very thin at the time, very thin, yet had symptoms no one of that age

should get. they know nothing, don't listen.

so it's a complex topic, more so than 'eat less move more ' - i have exercise

intolerance too, especially in the morning. i can train briefly with weights,

i mean very briefly, and walk a bit round the shops, but too much leaves me very

stressed and messses me up for the whole day, it's awful. just thinkinga bout it

stresses me out bigtime. people say exercise makes you feel good? does it

hell, makes me feel utterly utterly dreadful. before myhealth collapsed, i

could walk for an hour easy, just listening to my mp3. now, no chance of that.

i can walk very slowly and have to rest.

to lose hypoglycemia - which i've had for years - is a pretty big improvement.

but i am still in bad habits at times. i have read a lot around this subject,

be it behavioural modification, what to eat, when to eat, etc etc etc and it

was largely academic until recently since whatever i ate, caused massive blood

sugar drops i think and resulting cravings and even if i did eat well i didn't

lose weight or much weight... so i am in the habits physically and mentally of

someone who really cannot lose weight because their physiology is so messed up,

so yes i do need to change habits and stuff. i suppose it is nice that i am

not so restricted by my body and hypo-g etc. for years, i felt imprisoned in a

prison of pain by my body and mind ; i can tell you that in that situation you

learn that your body, brain, and soul are seperate.

> I am sorry about your situation. I understand about those things I have

> suffered some difficulty with my health. Unfortunately these things are

never

> simple and therefore the answer is never simply and sometimes is also

illusive.Â

> You really have to keep on searching for the answers and hopefully find a doc

> who will listen. Havent we heard that before?

Yep, many times. Thanks Sally. i am seeing a good dr now, and i suppose it

takes time, and even then it is not all about just taking dhea or wahtever, but

diet mdodification too - i have to admit i have tried so many times with diet

that it hink what's the point, it won't work. so now i suppose i think i'll try

this without expectation (certainly not positive, no way, that'll lead to major

disappointment, as ever,but try not to have negative expectation). very sore

point with me. best not to dwell too much on the past, very upsetting.

best wishes

chris

>

>

>

> Hi chris,

> They were simply my thoughts in response to you asking for opinions. thanks

for

> reading and your thoughts 

>

>

low in both

[Guest guest]

hi Sally

i think i sounded abit short too.

yeah, the improvements have come on quite quickly, since i went and started

taking the treatment. not fully on board with the diet yet though, i am

wroking on that though.

suppose it takes time as with everything

thanks

chris

>

>

>

> I did sound a little tetchy, but no worries.

>  

> I understand if you have been through all the other doors and dont know where

[Guest guest]

Sure does chris.....stick with it. xx

i think i sounded abit short too.yeah, the improvements have come on quite quickly, since i went and started taking the treatment. not fully on board with the diet yet though, i am wroking on that though.suppose it takes time as with everything

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