Iodine supplementation, and how to work out RT3

[Guest guest]

I'm just trying to sort out my vitamins, Could someone please tell me if I

should be supplementing iodine given that I have hashi's. My random urine

iodine is 30ug/L ( 20-49). Lab comment was moderate iodine deficiency.I am a bit

worried about not making the hashi's act up.

Also I am not sure how to work out if I have a problem with RT3 dominance. My

RT3 was 259 pmol/L (140 - 540) and my latest FT3 was 4.8 (3.5 - 6.5). I read

somewhere about moving the decimal point? If I do that I think it comes out as

1.85. Is that correct? And if so, what does the result mean?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Hi , below is Dr Peatfield's speech at last year's TPA

Conference - this should help you.

Dr. Peatfield’s speech about Iodine

From the TPA meeting on April 24, 2010, at the Alma

Inn

Dr. Peatfield:

I’m going to talk about

Iodine. Probably expecting us to say something about thyroid and stuff, and

adrenals, but there is a good deal of misunderstanding and misinformation about

iodine. In fact, there is propaganda against it. Most of you are a bit

uncertain about iodine. [background voices –

‘yes’] You think

perhaps you shouldn’t have it, especially with Hashimoto’s,

[background voices – ‘yeah’]…’tis propaganda,

it’s not true.

So, I’m going to get a few

things straight first, and start by saying that you can never be quite well

without iodine. The damaging effects of iodine deficiency have actually been

known for the best part of 200 years. Recent decades, though, have become

convinced that it not only doesn’t help, it may actually be bad for us.

Now, this conviction stems from poor animal experiments, assertions about

medical matters, not backed up by evidence, with which we’re all familiar,

aren’t we?

The basis of this approach, and

it’s undoubtedly the black hand of Big Pharma, is to convince us all that

simple, safe measures are old hat, and that lovely drugs and operations and

radioactive iodine are much better.

The element iodine belongs to a

small group of elements, which include bromine and fluorine, which are called

halogens. At best bromine has little beneficial role to play in medicine, and

fluorine is violently toxic; but iodine has many highly beneficial effects.

Now, there’s a chap called Bernard Courtois who discovered iodine…

this is just a bit of technical stuff… funnily enough, while making

gunpowder from seaweed. [laughter] As you do… [background voices –

‘yes’ – more laughter] in 1811. During the next two decades

it was found that iodine would prevent, and shrink, goitre. Two American

doctors, Two American doctors, Marine and Larson used it for this in Michigan,

around the Great Lakes, in the early 1920s, and the addition of iodine to salt

was begun. This iodised salt is widely used throughout the world, though less

so in the UK than previously… Physicians found that small amounts of

Lugol’s iodine helped reduce goitre and hypothyroidism; but also that

large amounts caused suppression of over-activity, and shrinkage of the

overactive goitre.

In the 1930s most especially, the

use of natural thyroid became widespread; and thyroxine was synthesised in the

1950s, and the use of iodine became a thing of the past. For the overactive

thyroid, the natural Lugol’s iodine also fell out of favour, and instead

neomercazole and propyl thiouracil became the drugs of choice, in spite of

damaging side effects. And if these weren’t enough, the radioactive form

of iodine, which collects in the thyroid and kills the cells off, and surgery

became the favoured treatment.

In 1948 Wolff and Chaikoff concluded from rat experiments, that

iodine would actually block manufacture of thyroid hormones. The truth of the

matter was that a high dose would do so; but for a day or so only. By then the damage was

done and iodine became less and less used – with the resultant increase

in thyroid illness. Their papers had gone right through the medical fraternity

–and all the doctors started to believe that iodine was, in some way, not

a good thing, and it became less and less used with resulted increase in

thyroid illness. In those days, iodine was used in the manufacture of bread,

and even that was stopped, and instead of using io

I'm just trying to sort out my vitamins, Could

someone please tell me if I should be supplementing iodine given that I have

hashi's. My random urine iodine is 30ug/L ( 20-49). Lab comment was moderate

iodine deficiency.I am a bit worried about not making the hashi's act up.

Also I am not sure how to work out if I have a problem with RT3 dominance. My

RT3 was 259 pmol/L (140 - 540) and my latest FT3 was 4.8 (3.5 - 6.5). I read

somewhere about moving the decimal point? If I do that I think it comes out as

1.85. Is that correct? And if so, what does the result mean?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Thank you Sheila. Sorry......only just found your answer. I am still working out

how to use this site. That is very helpful. I have also bought his book now.

Cheers

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> Hi , below is Dr Peatfield's speech at last year's TPA Conference -

> this should help you.

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[Guest guest]

Here is how to work out your RT3 ratio

http://thyroid-rt3.com/examples.htm

I just had a quick go at it for you and i got 18.5 instead of 1.85 if anybody

else can confirm. Your ratio should be 20 + so it looks like you have a bit of a

RT3 problem.

What thyroid meds are you on at the moment, and what are your adrenals/iron like

?

Steve

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> Also I am not sure how to work out if I have a problem with RT3 dominance. My

RT3 was 259 pmol/L (140 - 540) and my latest FT3 was 4.8 (3.5 - 6.5). I read

somewhere about moving the decimal point? If I do that I think it comes out as

1.85. Is that correct? And if so, what does the result mean?

>

> Thanks

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[Guest guest]

There's a calculator on here:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/rt3-ratio/

You need to know the units of the units of both RT3 and free t3.

Chris

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> Also I am not sure how to work out if I have a problem with RT3 dominance. My

RT3 was 259 pmol/L (140 - 540) and my latest FT3 was 4.8 (3.5 - 6.5). I read

somewhere about moving the decimal point? If I do that I think it comes out as

1.85. Is that correct? And if so, what does the result mean?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve

Thanks for working that out for me. I originally posted that question a while

ago, and have since commenced Armour Thyroid and am now at 1.5 grains. Just

recently had new tests, but am still awaiting the FT3 result.I am now on 10.5

FT4 and 0.15 TSH. The actual report has a minus sign after the TSH number. Not

sure what that means, as I don't expect you can have less than nothing??? So I

guess I shall have to wait to redo the sums. I have also been supplementing

iodine, selenium, B12, Folate etc since then....so I guess it will all be

different by now. I shall be posting the new numbers in the next day or so, and

it would be great, if you see the post, if you could perhaps redo the

calculation for me, as I shall be seeing the less the lovely Endo shortly after

that.

Thanks for taking an interest!

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> Here is how to work out your RT3 ratio

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/examples.htm

>

> I just had a quick go at it for you and i got 18.5 instead of 1.85 if anybody

else can confirm. Your ratio should be 20 + so it looks like you have a bit of a

RT3 problem.

>

> What thyroid meds are you on at the moment, and what are your adrenals/iron

like ?

>

> Steve

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi, If you want to work out your new RT3 ratio than you will need a new RT3 test

aswell as a new FT3 test as you cant use your new FT3 with your old RT3. I do

not know if you are seeing an endo of your choice (from the good doc list) or

just any endo, but alot of them look right past RT3.

Would be nice if you could get a 24 hour saliva test done to see were ur

adrenals are at, and also a full iron panel.

Steve

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> Hi Steve

> Thanks for working that out for me. I originally posted that question a while

ago, and have since commenced Armour Thyroid and am now at 1.5 grains. so I

guess it will all be different by now. I shall be posting the new numbers in

the next day or so, and it would be great, if you see the post, if you could

perhaps redo the calculation for me, as I shall be seeing the less the lovely

Endo shortly after that.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Of course....silly me! I remembered to ask for the FT3 but forgot the RT3. But

I did get my DHEAS, Testosterone etc redone as had elevated DHEAS last test ( I

am menopausal)....so hopefully that will give some info re the adrenals.

These are recent cumulative results:

CUMULATIVE ACTH (Reference Range < 10 pmol/L)

Date Time Result pmol/L

22/04/09 10:00 3.4

29/04/09 08:10 4.4

10/01/11 07.30 5.0

07/06/11 09.10 3.2

CUMULATIVE CORTISOL

22/04/2009 Cortisol (AM) 10:00 : 250 nmol/L

29/04/2009 Cortisol (AM) 08:10 : 483 nmol/L

29/06/2010 Cortisol (AM) 10:00 : 341 nmol/L

04/01/2011 Cortisol (AM) 09:25 : 281 nmol/L

10/01/2011 Cortisol (AM) 7.30 : 470 nmol/L

Reference range : AM (150 - 600)

24 HOUR URINE FREE CORTISOL 7/6/2011

Cortisol U/L 43 nmol/L

Urine Volume 1890 mL

U-Creatinine Excretion 9.3 mmol/d (7.1 - 15.9)

Cortisol Excretion 81 nmol/d (54 – 319)

IGF-1

07/06/11 13nmol/L (11-29)

I also had an iron panel done recently with these results:

Date Iron Transferrin TFN Satn Ferritin Lab.No.

umol/L umol/L % ug/L

06/07/11 9 37 12 160

Ref: (11 - 27) (20 - 45) (15 - 55) (25 - 300)

The endo says I do not need to take iron, and that taking it would make no

difference to these numbers.

The endo is certainly not of my choice, but I am in a remote part of

Australia.....and it is case of beggars not choosers. He is not the doctor who

prescribed the Armour.....and indeed he has said he will not prescribe it when

it runs out in a month or so time. That was before he admitted he didn't even

know what it was!!! I am trying to stay positive and see it as an opportunity

to bring him up to speed.........if not, then I shall just have to push him off

his perch!

I guess all I can really do is wait and see how the numbers look when I get them

back. I am certainly better than I was, but not there yet.

Cheers

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> Hi, If you want to work out your new RT3 ratio than you will need a new RT3

test aswell as a new FT3 test as you cant use your new FT3 with your old RT3. I

do not know if you are seeing an endo of your choice (from the good doc list) or

just any endo, but alot of them look right past RT3.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi sickovit (love that name ) Im glad you are feeling better atleast, im in a

similar situation im feeling the best ive felt in years but still a while to go.

Im afraid i know nothing about blood cortisol apart from it seems to be a load

of crap lol for instance i had " normal " blood cortisol tests, yet my 24 hour

sailiva test every single one of them came in below range and once i started HC

i noticed a hugh improvemment, so why was my blood cortisol in range ? no idea!

sorry i cant help there.

Regarding Iron, have a read of this when u have a moment explaining what the

" ideal " iron labs should look like.

http://thyroid-rt3.com/iron.htm

It does look like your saturation and serum iron are lower than reccommended,

with your ferritin looking good but could possibly be falsesly elvated due to

inflamation.

Sure post your new results when you get them, and i hope things continue to

improve

Steve

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> I guess all I can really do is wait and see how the numbers look when I get

them back. I am certainly better than I was, but not there yet.

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> Cheers

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