RE: Re: hello from newbie in Sheffield

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He's correct Bob,

look at the huge number of our members who eventually get tested and find their

levels of Vitamin D are VERY low. Vitamin D supplements act like a wonder drug.

Why don't doctors know about this?

Luv - Sheila

Dr Cannell is convinced that there is an epidemic of low vit D3.

best wishes

Bob

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BBC medic Dr Mark Porter has been speaking out about Vit D def.I've had a couple of intra-muscular vit D shots on NHS, Doctor then prescribed ergocalcitrol but then it's impossible to get the prescription at the chemists, and she told me to buy supplements.I've started taking, Sunvit-D3, a brand of high dose(?) vit D3 1000 iu / 25ug cholecalificerol. Natures Best also do this dose now, but pack size is smaller so value not as good.-KatyaOn 21 May 2011, at 20:41, Sheila wrote:

He's correct Bob,

look at the huge number of our members who eventually get tested and find their

levels of Vitamin D are VERY low. Vitamin D supplements act like a wonder drug.

Why don't doctors know about this?Luv - Sheila

Dr Cannell is convinced that there is an epidemic of low vit D3.

best wishes

Bob.

[Guest guest]

On 22 May 2011, at 21:08, bob.m9uk wrote:

I asked Dr Porter that question (vit D3) in person?

no, never met him.just saying that there's an awareness of low vit D in large sections of population.http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00s0djnhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/expert_advice/article7008426.ece-Katya

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Hi Sheila and many thanks for your reply and all the info, all of which I have noted.I am taking these daily: 100 mcg levythyoxineand 1grain (60mg) armour and have been taking these for a couple of years at this level.My NHS GP only does TSH to monitor my thyroid replacement.I don't feel that assertive with GPs. They have tried to help, and provide my painkillers on special arrangement as co-proxamol was taken off normal prescription list a few years ago. I feel I've rather used up my good will there. it shouldn't be like that, but seeing as I rely on them for the various conditions I have, I am loathe to be too "demanding". ME/CFS is often seen as a bit of a dustbin diagnosis, and everything is attributed to it, instead of investigated fully. Or people with multiple conditions, it's always put down to the other factor. I am hoping to tweak out the fixable bits )Thanks a list of thyroid-aware doctors will be most useful. I have been on Armour for about 7 years. I will ask the retiring private doc for prices for tests for Thy. antibodies and range of micronutrients you mention, in case this is blocking take up of thyroid supplementation. I'm also taking nowhere near the levels of vit C and selenium you mention as relevant for T4 to T3 conversion. So quite of lot of room for improvement then.I don't understand what triggers deficiencies despite good diet. If there's malabsorbtion in the gut, will tablet supplementation work?I used to get vit b12 IM injections and felt better then and many years ago when I had monthly vit B injections.however when I take multi supplements in tablet form, I find the B vits tend me feel nauseous.very interesting about Canadian licensed Erfa Thyroid and other variants of Amour being available without prescription, as it has been costing a lot.Wonderful to hear you're so much better - HURRAH !BWsKatyaOn 21 May 2011, at 20:39, Sheila wrote:You do not have to reduce your thyroid hormone replacement because your doctor wants to see the figures in the bit of paper where HE wants to see them. It is very important that if a certain dose is making you feel better, your symptoms disappearing, your weight going down, that your doctor takes these into consideration.

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Hi Katya

It is a fact that when a patient is taking natural thyroid

extract a TSH is absolutely useless - this is a waste of money and time. When

taking any form of T3, either synthetic or the T3 in natural desiccated thyroid

extract, the TSH becomes completely suppressed and does not change.

When taking natural thyroid hormone it is VERY easy to tweak

your dose according to how you feel - what symptoms you are still experiencing.

Are you sure that you actually need the levothyroxine. You get T4 in natural

thyroid extract so I would be tempted to try the experiment of dropping your

levothyroxine to 25mcgs only, raise the 1 grain of Armour to 1 1/2 grains and

stay on that dose for 7 days, and then increase your Armour by another

half grain and stay on that for 3 weeks. If still suffering some symptoms,

increase again by another half grain if necessary, and again stay on that for 3

weeks. If, after any increase of Armour you start to feel palpitations, sweaty,

dizzy, feeling 'spaced out' and generally get symptoms of hyPERthyroidism, you

don't take any more that day and go back to the dose you were taking before the

last increase. That is often the best way to find out exactly how much natural

thyroid extract your body needs. You should always split your dose of NDT at

least twice daily.

This is because the T3 in NDT has a very short half life of 2

days in humans, but the good effect starts to leave your body in around 6 to 8

hours, so if you take it all first thing in a morning, by around 2/3.00p.m. you

start to 'wilt' - so splitting the dose keeps the engine topped up.

As mentioned before, you should not allow any doctor to

over-power you - this is YOUR health. If your doctor is not prepared to take

into consideration your wishes, then you may be left with no alternative but to

take your thyroid health into your own hands, as many of us have had to do and

won back our health. You say you are hoping " to tweak out the fixable

bits " - well, you can (as above).

If you want your blood tested privately, I would recommend

Genova diagnostics as they test the level of thyroid hormone used by the cells

and tissues, NOT the useless BLOOD test which only shows the level of thyroid

hormone secreted by the thyroid gland. You can get discounts on all Genova

testing by being a member of TPA - all you need to do is to tell them your practitioner

is Thyroid Patient Advocacy. Check out our FILES section 'Discounts on Tests

and Supplements' and open the Genova document to find out how to order and

their costs etc.

Deficiencies in minerals/vitamins can be triggered by many

problems, but check out the attached document showing just some of the science

showing a connection with these are hypothyroidism. It is quite amazing how

sufferers start to get back their normal health after supplementing whatever

they are low in.

I wonder whether you have tried the B12 1000mgs sublingual 'nuggets'

which you put under the tongue so the B12 is absorbed directly into your blood

stream?

Luv - Sheila

I don't understand what triggers deficiencies despite good

diet. If there's malabsorbtion in the gut, will tablet supplementation work?

I used to get vit b12 IM injections and felt better then and

many years ago when I had monthly vit B injections.

however when I take multi supplements in tablet form, I find

the B vits tend me feel nauseous.

very interesting about Canadian licensed Erfa Thyroid and

other variants of Amour being available without prescription, as it has

been costing a lot.

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