new kid on the block

[Guest guest]

Hi Fredrica. I get all the lentils, along with a bunch of other stuff

from Sproutpeople. The germination rate is great and they are all

delicious. I especially like the black lentils. Little power houses of

energy. Once they have a tiny little tail they are ready to eat. I

think I read on the website you can eat them after they are soaked and

plump, even before the tail (root). So I did and they were yummy. Check

the forum search too on brocolli sprout growing. There are lots of

helpful hints. Have fun and happy sprouting (and eating)! Diane

fredrica wrote:

>Hi to Amaline and the group...

>I too just joined this group...was delighted to find the helpful

>SproutPeople website. Am deciding just what to order. Of course I would

>want the brocolli seeds...the most expensive! But I find them sprouted

>(from our health food store) really delicious.

>At the moment, I used what was on hand...green dried lentils. Did as

>instructed...soaked 12 hours in a wide mouth jar, and so far have

>rinsed once, the now drained lentils perching prettily in the jar,

>covered with a square of lovely loosely woven linen in indirect light.

>I can barely wait the required 3 days. If this works, I am hooked. Look

>forward to reading other posts, and learning. Good sprouting to all.

>BTW, I too live in an apartment, in Prescott, AZ, with no patio or

>access to garden space, but do have lovely big windows facing a wooded

>area and a stream, and a lot of light shining in. Fredrica

>

>

>

>_______________________________________________________________________________\

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>Want to start your own business?

>Learn how on Small Business.

>http://smallbusiness./r-index

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group, for all the people just joining.

One thing that really helped me get a feel for the different types of

sprouting was the sample packs offered on www..com. My

first order was for the 10 pack sampler, and a micro-green sample

pack. You actually get a bit of broccoli in both sample packs, but

it's worth getting them twice since they turned out to be one of my

favorites, and a very easy micro-green to grow.

I also enjoy the " Amber Waves of Grain " mix. Good on bagles and

sandwiches.

This is a decent group, and Gil is always willing to answer just

about any question one may have.

Tim

>

> Hi to Amaline and the group...

> I too just joined this group...was delighted to find the helpful

> SproutPeople website. Am deciding just what to order. Of course I

would

> want the brocolli seeds...the most expensive! But I find them

sprouted

> (from our health food store) really delicious.

> At the moment, I used what was on hand...green dried lentils. Did as

> instructed...soaked 12 hours in a wide mouth jar, and so far have

> rinsed once, the now drained lentils perching prettily in the jar,

> covered with a square of lovely loosely woven linen in indirect

light.

> I can barely wait the required 3 days. If this works, I am hooked.

Look

> forward to reading other posts, and learning. Good sprouting to all.

> BTW, I too live in an apartment, in Prescott, AZ, with no patio or

> access to garden space, but do have lovely big windows facing a

wooded

> area and a stream, and a lot of light shining in. Fredrica

>

>

>

>

______________________________________________________________________

______________

> Want to start your own business?

> Learn how on Small Business.

> http://smallbusiness./r-index

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome to Amaline and Fredrica. I too live in an apartment (condo actually)

and it is amazing what you can grow on your kitchen counter in a small

amount of space. I have southern facing windows in my kitchen that get lots

of light all year long.

Lentil sprouts are one of my favorites (quick and easy and I like the

crunch) but I'm also a really big fan of " sunnies " aka sunflower mega

sprouts (in my opinion they are best when they reach about 3 " to 4 " ) I like

them all from broccoli to clover to the exotic ones like fenugreek.

Bill

new kid on the block

Hi to Amaline and the group...

I too just joined this group...was delighted to find the helpful

SproutPeople website. Am deciding just what to order. Of course I would

want the brocolli seeds...the most expensive! But I find them sprouted

(from our health food store) really delicious.

At the moment, I used what was on hand...green dried lentils. Did as

instructed...soaked 12 hours in a wide mouth jar, and so far have

rinsed once, the now drained lentils perching prettily in the jar,

covered with a square of lovely loosely woven linen in indirect light.

I can barely wait the required 3 days. If this works, I am hooked. Look

forward to reading other posts, and learning. Good sprouting to all.

BTW, I too live in an apartment, in Prescott, AZ, with no patio or

access to garden space, but do have lovely big windows facing a wooded

area and a stream, and a lot of light shining in. Fredrica

[Guest guest]

Tim wrote:

> Welcome to the group, for all the people just joining.

>

> One thing that really helped me get a feel for the different types of

> sprouting was the sample packs offered on www..com.

Thank you Tim. Is this the same as " The Sproutman " at

http://www.healthy-eating.com/sproutseeds.html ? I did place an order

for some broccoli and alfalfa seeds there.

- ne

[Guest guest]

No, sproutman is a different one as far as I know. *Sproutpeople.com*

are the wonderful folks that sponsor and monitor this forum. Their

website is a unending supply of information about sprouting and sell the

seeds and nuts and kits and...and...Please check it out. It is so well

done and easy to navigate. Have a good sprouting day! Diane

ne Holden wrote:

>Tim wrote:

>

>

>

>>Welcome to the group, for all the people just joining.

>>

>>One thing that really helped me get a feel for the different types of

>>sprouting was the sample packs offered on www..com.

>>

>>

>

>Thank you Tim. Is this the same as " The Sproutman " at

>http://www.healthy-eating.com/sproutseeds.html ? I did place an order

>for some broccoli and alfalfa seeds there.

>- ne

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Diane and Uecker wrote:

> No, sproutman is a different one as far as I know. *Sproutpeople.com*

> are the wonderful folks that sponsor and monitor this forum. Their

> website is a unending supply of information about sprouting and sell the

> seeds and nuts and kits and...and...Please check it out.

Thanks, Diane, I will, and I'm glad to know it's not the same website. I

did order some seeds from the other place, and of the broccoli seeds,

only about half sprouted. I like the idea of an assortment -- we love

sprouts but have only tried about 3 kinds!

- ne

[Guest guest]

Arugla and curly cress are zippy too. I have been successful in growing

nice crops on baby blanket. I am in the experimental stage of reusing

the baby blanket after soaking it in peroxide. So far so good. Did my

first crop of mustard seeds and they look beautiful. Have the get the

camera thing going to take pictures before they disappear! Diane

Mark wrote:

>If you like strong flavors try mustard and radish sprouts, too. My personal

favorite flavor enhancers.

>

>

>>Diane and Uecker wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>>No, sproutman is a different one as far as I know. *Sproutpeople.com*

>>>are the wonderful folks that sponsor and monitor this forum. Their

>>>website is a unending supply of information about sprouting and sell the

>>>seeds and nuts and kits and...and...Please check it out.

>>>

>>>

>>Thanks, Diane, I will, and I'm glad to know it's not the same website. I

>>did order some seeds from the other place, and of the broccoli seeds,

>>only about half sprouted. I like the idea of an assortment -- we love

>>sprouts but have only tried about 3 kinds!

>>- ne

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> My other question is about the Weston A Price Foundation. I have

> browsed the site a little here and there and last time came across a

> page that said there are local meetings. I e-mailed the person in

> charge of the Twin Cities one and never heard back. Does anyone

> have any information about it?

Hi Virginia, and welcome. Many people have had trouble getting a

response, unfortunately.

As far as meetings go, the only formal event we have in the Cities is

the potluck get-togethers, which we nicknamed " swaps. " I am the

primary coordinator of these events. Our next scheduled one is in

April 2007. If you do a search with the keyword " swap " in the search

engine on this particular list, you will find some comments and

messages about what we have done in the past.

Anyone is welcome to set up a swap, of course, and it can be as simple

as 5 people, or as elaborate as the 50+ people we've had in 2006.

~Joe

[Guest guest]

Welcome, Virginia. One thing I do, is that when I do cook something

good, I make a large pot or pan of whatever it is, and then freeze the

rest in meal size portions. On that night when you are so busy and

tempted to spend the money on fast food, you can just eat one of your

freezer meals. This works great with chili, soup, stew etc.

Also, watch sales, and plan your meals around them. Often I can get

organic for not that much more than conventional. Either way, wherever

you can get good quality food, do it. It is worth re-arranging the

budget and cutting back elsewhere.

If you're really tight, it would be better to use half the meat in a

recipe and use organic, pastured meat, than to use a full amount of

grocery store beef.

You will pay for it one way or another. I prefer to put money into the

good food, and not pay for the big health bills (and the physical

suffering) later.

It is hard changing your way of thinking, but it can work out

financially.

A few of Sally Fallon's suggestions of ways to eat healthy on a budget:

(paraphrased and with my comments)

1) Don't buy cold cereal. Oatmeal costs half the price and is more

nutritious. (remember to soak overnight)

2)Make your own salad dressing. (I save a lot of money by doing this,

and it is healthier.)

3)Make it a high priority to always buy butter--never give in for

margarine.

4) Make homemade stock. You can get by with very little meat when you

use properly made stock for soups and stews. (Use the leftover

congealed fat for cooking)

5)Good quality dairy products are worth the price.

6)Least expensive vegetables are the most nourishing.

7)Buy the best quality eggs -- still a cheap source of protein.

8)Make lots of soups.

9)Make your own bread.

10)Make kombucha and drink instead of pop or alcohol.

She says, " Try not to overeconomize on food. Instead, cut out all the

junk food--prepared cookies and cakes, soft drinks, frozen foods, fast

foods, etc.--and use the savings to buy good quality whole foods.

Above all use good quality fats--they keep you healthy during times of

stress. "

Judy

[Guest guest]

Welcome Virginia! Aside from the group and the Potluck-get

togthers or Swaps, there are regular meetings in Rochester, LaCrosse,

and Madison. A bit of a drive, but lots of good information and like-

minded people to share with and learn from, even if only

occasionally. You can check out TradSlowFood-CouleeRegion on the

for LaCrosse, WI meeting information (this group

is new so just the basic info right now) or meetups.com for the

Madison, WI information or check the WAPF website for the chapter

leaders contact info for Rochester, MN - they have regular meetings

and aren't too far away.

And plan on the Swaps, the're really great!

Jan

>

>

> > My other question is about the Weston A Price Foundation. I have

> > browsed the site a little here and there and last time came

across a

> > page that said there are local meetings. I e-mailed the person

in

> > charge of the Twin Cities one and never heard back. Does anyone

> > have any information about it?

>

> Hi Virginia, and welcome. Many people have had trouble getting a

> response, unfortunately.

>

> As far as meetings go, the only formal event we have in the Cities

is

> the potluck get-togethers, which we nicknamed " swaps. " I am the

> primary coordinator of these events. Our next scheduled one is in

> April 2007. If you do a search with the keyword " swap " in the

search

> engine on this particular list, you will find some comments and

> messages about what we have done in the past.

>

> Anyone is welcome to set up a swap, of course, and it can be as

simple

> as 5 people, or as elaborate as the 50+ people we've had in 2006.

> ~Joe

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome Virginia-

The suggestions that Judy posted are excellent. Making soups, eating veggies

instead of crackers, and not buying cold cereal but using oatmeal instead have

bee real money savers. I can also make some good wholw wheat raisin bread for

breakfast. Also, making things from scratch does not necesssarily mean a great

deal more work. For instance, I can whip up homemade organic dressing in a

couple minutes. I agree with judy about freezing meals, but I go further. I

pay my kids $1 each to sit and scrub crimini mushrooms in large quantities and

then I cook a huge batch up and freeze in small bags for very quick mushroom

sauce to use in cooking meals. Then I substitute this in for a quick

" campbells " meal made with wholesome ingredients. I cut up old bread into small

peices, leave out for a couple days and then store it. After a couple weeks of

only a minute of work here and there, I have enough to make an easy batch of

whole wheat stuffing. I cook a whole chicken or two in the crock pot, cool,

debone and store the meat in the freezer for meals, and then make broth with the

bones. This costs about 50 cents to make what you would pay well over $10 for

in the store for chicken broth, and is a lot more healthy. 50 cents is

actually expensive because I add onion celery carrots garlic and other spices to

make a veggie nutrient dense broth. It is only a little bit of work here and

there, and it adds up to a lot of economy and time saving. Onions and celery,

if you chop and cook, make a double batch and freeze it. Etc.

Also, if you do not buy directly from a farm, do so. The quality is better and

helps the farm more than going through a store. I save a lot of money buying

high quality 100% grass fed beef, free range eggs, free range chicks, 100% grass

fed lamb, raw milk and cheeses through a couple different farms, and I even have

a third source I buy from occassionaly. I figure it saves me more than 50% if I

were to buy from the local co-op.

Routine and menu planning help me a lot when I am busy or not feeling well

enough to think about what to make or how to make it. I utilize my crock pot A

LOT and is invaluable in making healthy meals when busy.

HTH

Carol F

[Guest guest]

Welcome Virginia-

The suggestions that Judy posted are excellent. Making soups, eating veggies

instead of crackers, and not buying cold cereal but using oatmeal instead have

bee real money savers. I can also make some good wholw wheat raisin bread for

breakfast. Also, making things from scratch does not necesssarily mean a great

deal more work. For instance, I can whip up homemade organic dressing in a

couple minutes. I agree with judy about freezing meals, but I go further. I

pay my kids $1 each to sit and scrub crimini mushrooms in large quantities and

then I cook a huge batch up and freeze in small bags for very quick mushroom

sauce to use in cooking meals. Then I substitute this in for a quick

" campbells " meal made with wholesome ingredients. I cut up old bread into small

peices, leave out for a couple days and then store it. After a couple weeks of

only a minute of work here and there, I have enough to make an easy batch of

whole wheat stuffing. I cook a whole chicken or two in the crock pot, cool,

debone and store the meat in the freezer for meals, and then make broth with the

bones. This costs about 50 cents to make what you would pay well over $10 for

in the store for chicken broth, and is a lot more healthy. 50 cents is

actually expensive because I add onion celery carrots garlic and other spices to

make a veggie nutrient dense broth. It is only a little bit of work here and

there, and it adds up to a lot of economy and time saving. Onions and celery,

if you chop and cook, make a double batch and freeze it. Etc.

Also, if you do not buy directly from a farm, do so. The quality is better and

helps the farm more than going through a store. I save a lot of money buying

high quality 100% grass fed beef, free range eggs, free range chicks, 100% grass

fed lamb, raw milk and cheeses through a couple different farms, and I even have

a third source I buy from occassionaly. I figure it saves me more than 50% if I

were to buy from the local co-op.

Routine and menu planning help me a lot when I am busy or not feeling well

enough to think about what to make or how to make it. I utilize my crock pot A

LOT and is invaluable in making healthy meals when busy.

HTH

Carol F

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the advice. It's helpful to have the support and

ideas of other people.

About the chicken stock, last time I made it the stock was

incredibly weak. Do you use just the carcass, and how much water do

you boil?

> I plan to start my

> winter pot of lettuce now that the holidays are over and I won't

forget to water it.

Does that really work inside? My MIL has done some reading on

extending the growing season and she planted some in pots and

brought it in when it got cold, but didn't think you could grow it

inside in the winter.

Thanks again guys. I don't get a whole lot of encouragement from my

husband (he likes white, fluffy, and sugar) so it is helpful. I'm

sure you'll hear from me again.

~Virginia

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

This is all new to me and I stumbled across this site while trying to find out

as much as I can about hypothyroidism.

I'm a 49 year old man and was diagnosed with hypothyroidism about 3 months

ago(stress seems to have caused it). Apart from feeling strange, it also feels

strange because I'm a man and this problem seems to mainly affect women. If I

was single maybe there's a chat up line there somewhere!

My main symptoms so far have been, lactic acid build up in my legs (not so bad

now I'm on a higher dose), lethargy / fatigue and dull headaches. My dose was

increased from 50 to 100 micrograms of Levothyroxine 6 weeks ago and I'm just

waiting for the results of my latest thyroid function blood test to see what

happens next.

I had hoped to be back cycle racing by the end of the summer, I might just have

to re-jig my timeline, but we'll see.

I shall continue ploughing through all the information on here and hope everyone

here gets well soon.

Geraint.

[Guest guest]

Hello Geraint and welcome to our forum where I hope you get all

the support and help you need.

First, we are finding more and more men are suffering the

symptoms of hypothyroidism, but we first need to know what TYPE of hypothyroidism you are suffering.

Doctors ONLY appear to know of 'Type 1' for want of a better

name of hypothyroidism:

Type 1

hypothyroidism, is

defined as primary, secondary or tertiary. 'Type 1' hypothyroidism is

associated with insufficient secretion by the thyroid, the pituitary or the

hypothalamus gland, thereby reducing the mainly inactive thyroid hormone T4

available for conversion, to the active thyroid hormone T3. T3 is the

hormone needed by every cell in the body and brain to make them function. In

the majority of cases, 'Type 1' Hypothyroidism may be corrected by using

levothyroxine (T4-only) replacement.

However, there

are a large minority of sufferers of the symptoms of hypothyroidism who have 'Type

2' hypothyroidism, which is defined as deficiencies in the peripheral

conversion of T4 to T3, the subsequent reception of T3, and the use of T3 by

the body's cells. 'Type 2' reduces the amount of the active thyroid

hormone T3 in the body, producing the same sort of symptoms that 'Type 1'

hypothyroidism does. Environmental toxins may also cause or exacerbate

the problem. The pervasiveness of 'Type 2' hypothyroidism has yet to be

recognised by mainstream medicine, but already is in epidemic proportions. 'Type

2' hypothyroidism can be corrected by the active thyroid hormone T3 (either

synthetic or natural thyroid extract) replacement therapy - and NOT by T4-only

therapy. The BTA and RCP appear to fail to even recognise Type 2 hypothyroidism

(or more correctly called Euthyroid Hypometabolism).

Type 1

hypothyroidism is detectable by serum thyroid function tests using TSH and free

T4 only If TSH is high and free T4 low, they are diagnosed with

'hypothyroidism' and given T4, titrating the dose through blood test results

until the right dose is found where the blood tests show normal levels. However,

these tests do NOT show whether the patient is suffering peripheral resistance

to thyroid hormone at the cellular level. If the patient's TFT's are 'normal'

doctors do not then go on to do further tests to find out WHY their patient is

suffering symptoms, and they often prescribe antidepressants, telling the

patient " …it's all in your head " .

You need to

know whether you have antibodies to your thyroid so ask your GP to give you a

FULL thyroid function test to include TSH, free T4, free T3 plus TPO and TgAb.

Get these results and the reference range from him and post them on the forum,

and we will help with their interpretation. If you test positive for thyroid

antibodies, you have Hashimoto's thyroiditis as the cause of your

hypothyroidism and you should stop taking gluten. Antibodies thrive on gluten.

At the same

time, ask for the following to be tested to see whether any of the levels are

low in the reference range: ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium,

folate, copper and zinc. Again, if any of these are low in the range, you need

to supplement whatever is low to enable the thyroid hormone to be fully

utilised at the cellular level.

Also, I would

do the 24 hour salivary adrenal test with Genova Diagnostics to see where your

levels of cortisol and DHEA lie. The function of the adrenals are extremely

important in thyroid function and many people who can't recover fully when

taking thyroxine find it is due to low adrenal reserve. Go to our FILES section

and check out the FOLDER entitled 'Hypothyroidism'. Scroll down to the document

'Why Thyroid Hormone Stops Working' and read that. If you want to do the 24

hour saliva test, again, in the FILES section, scroll down to 'Discounts on

Tests and Supplements' and open the Genova Document and you can order (and get

a discount as a TPA member) from there. You have to remember to quote 'Thyroid

Patient Advocacy' as your practitioner. The results will be sent to you.

Also read Dr

Peatfield's paper about the thyroid/adrenal connection http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk/thyroid_adrenal_dysfunction.pdf

..

Sadly,

doctors are not even aware of this connection, which is quite appalling,

because their lack of knowledge is actually causing harm to their patients.

They should not prescribe thyroid hormone replacement to anybody who has

adrenal fatigue, but they only accept the two extremes, either 's

Disease or Cushing's Syndrome, but fail to recognise any of the stages leading

up to either of these serious diseases.

Most people

can get back on track again by taking adrenal supplements, with a few needing

hydrocortisone to get back their life, but we can talk about that if and when

your tests show you suffer with this.

Are you

taking 200mcgs Selenium and zinc (essential for conversion of the mainly

inactive T4 into T3) and at least 1000mgs vitamin C daily.

Hope this

helps, but take one step at a time, what is written above sounds a lot to take

in all at once, but you will get there.

Luv - Sheila

This is all new to me and I stumbled across this site while trying to find out

as much as I can about hypothyroidism.

I'm a 49 year old man and was diagnosed with hypothyroidism about 3 months

ago(stress seems to have caused it). Apart from feeling strange, it also feels

strange because I'm a man and this problem seems to mainly affect women. If I

was single maybe there's a chat up line there somewhere!

My main symptoms so far have been, lactic acid build up in my legs (not so bad now

I'm on a higher dose), lethargy / fatigue and dull headaches. My dose was

increased from 50 to 100 micrograms of Levothyroxine 6 weeks ago and I'm just

waiting for the results of my latest thyroid function blood test to see what

happens next.

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