Re: Antidepresant and thyroid, adrenals etc

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hi chris

i'm sorry to hear you are still having such a bad time, it is exhausting but i

agree with something mandy said in another post and that is you will get better

so don't give up. you have been coming up with all sorts of interesting bits

and pieces so clearly the spirit is still willing....well done and thank you for

sharing what you discover.

sounds like a good plan to try st. john's wort again ...it has other good

properties apart from being helpful with depression and the only possible

down-side i recall reading about is that it can make some people photo-sensitive

but if you've used it before then there should be no problem.

i also think it is a very good plan to go and see dr hertoghe ...you deserve the

best and he has an excellent reputation for treating the totaility of endocrine

issues. whilst not denying that going to see him will cost a fair bit, i don't

think his charges are way over the top at all and he is probably much better

value than going to see a so-called expert in harley street where the reality is

that most of what you are paying is to support the extortionate rents that keep

both the landlords coffers and various doctors' egos well inflated! (sorry if

that's sounds a bit cynical).

best wishes.

trish

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> Hi all

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> I am struggling here and have decided to try st john's wort again. it worked

for me 10 years ago, but since i tried prozac in 2004 it never worked for me.

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[Guest guest]

thank you Trish for your reply and support. yours and everyone else's support

is very much appreciated and does help

yes i feel like i have and am continuing to try ever trick in the book and try

to find new ones.

i do not feel particularly well right now. i have been thinking perhaps Candida

is causing me problems too. i have been craving and eating lots of junk lately.

re: hertoghe

well i would struggle to afford it but i may go. my job is not safe you see and

i have lots of stuff to pay, so it is not like i am thinking 'oh i can afford

that even if it doesn't work', i will have to borrow and scrape togther the

money though i could move back with my mother, not something that would make me

very happy. it is a gamble, really to see dr H. if it pays off, then yes of

course good. if not, then well, i am up the creek as i don't know what else to

try.

i have done hertoghe's questionnaire and score highest in growth hormone

problems. but, nhs dr last year tested me for GH and said it was ok ( i do not

trust their opinion to be honest-they are bankrupt and don't want to spend

hundreds a month on GH do they). thyroid and adrenal i think are relatively

easy to self treat, and cheap. GH i think is a different matter, more tricky.

plus you need good adrenal support on that. hertoghe's clinic should be esxpert

in that. it is 100E cheaper to see one of his associates than to see H himself.

not only is it the financial cost of this it's also the stress of it, going to

belgium etc by myself when i don't feel that well.

GH deficiency fits, and Dr M raised that possiblity last year too. but because

it fits, doesn't mean it's there, or easy to treat.

my problems started when i was 19 after taking amitrtyptiline and experiencing a

lot of stress (problems manifested after starting amitryptiline, before stress,

so points to amitryptiline, or something else i've not identified). much to my

surprise i have found various bits and pieces to say amitryptiline, one way or

another, affects growth hormone.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/x4j8278165127082/ it is not clear wht long

term affect amitrptyline could have on growth hormone. i took it for about 18

months, but was bad within a few months.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6436869 " The way in which amitriptyline

attenuates the effect of apomorphine is not clear. Direct blockade of dopamine

receptors in the hypothalamus is a possibility, but long-term amitriptyline

treatment could result in adaptive changes in the monoamine pathways which

control GH release. "

?

my sister took amitryptiline too when she was mid 20s, for knee pain. late

20s/thirtys she has become very unwell indeed after a period of stress (like

me). same genetics, smae repsonse to something? it doesn't necessarily follow

of course but it makes me wonder.

anotehr dr i conctacted said i have relative GH deficiency based on my results

but so do most people after age 20 but my body was responding ok to GH still

based on the results. but how mcuh of an expert is he?

'push where it moves' is a phrase i've found helpful over the years. i keep

coming back to taht phrase; if i push and it doesn't move then... perhaps when

i iinitially felt well on thyroid it had stimlualted something else like growth

hormone?

there has to be a way of identifying the problem. there has to be a treatment

for this problem. it could be fairly simple, it doesn't need to be difficult

does it.

can't seem to tolerate SJW again, after prozac i've never been able to tolerate

it, but was fine with it before :-(

thanks

chris

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> hi chris

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> i'm sorry to hear you are still having such a bad time, it is exhausting but i

agree with something mandy said in another post and that is you will get better

so don't give up. you have been coming up with all sorts of interesting bits

and pieces so clearly the spirit is still willing....well done and thank you for

sharing what you discover.