Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Hello everyone. I'd be grateful for some more advice, please. I have justheard from Dr. P who has said that I should be careful about raising my Armourtoo much, too quickly as one weird effect of too much is to shut everything downsuddenly. If this had happened, would I know? What would I feel like ifeverything had shut down? I am trying to contact him, but it is not easy totalk to him and I might have to wait for a fortnight to get a slot in order totalk to him. Hi Vicky, I would imagine what Dr. P. meant is that if you raise your Armour too high and too quickly, it will result in the opposite to what you want to achieve... and yes, you'd know, because not only would your hypothyroid symptoms return, but you would feel hyperthyroid at the same time. If the body receives thyroid hormone faster and in greater quantity than needed, it will first speed up the metabolism and expel any excessive hormone as fast as it can in an attempt to prevent thyrotoxicosis. At the same time - if there is still more thyroid hormone coming in than the body can cope with - the body puts on the brakes and converts T4 into rT3 (reverse T3) .... and rT3 prevents FT3 from entering the cells. So you get a double whammy – you are wasting thyroid hormone, but worse, you are setting your body up for producing excessive rT3. So you will be hyperthyroid on the one hand with too much T4 cursing in your veins and be effectively hypothyroid because the rT3 is blocking the FT3 from getting inside the cells. Golden rule – never rush thyroid hormone. Don't up your dose more often than once every 4-5 weeks and never by more than ½ grain. Hope this helps, With best wishes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Thanks very much. What should I do? Should I stop the armour for a while and then restart? From: <christina@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Fri, June 24, 2011 5:10:15 PMSubject: Re: too much armour! Hello everyone. I'd be grateful for some more advice, please. I have justheard from Dr. P who has said that I should be careful about raising my Armour [Ed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Hi Vicky Dr Peatfield is away in Stockport doing his clinic at the moment and won't be back until Monday so you can't get hold of him right now, but please don't panic - it does sound as if you are beginning to. What Dr Peatfield means is that some people are so VERY keen to get back their normal health after years of feeling dreadful, that once they start using natural thyroid extract and they start to feel some of their symptoms diminishing and signs of feeling better, they can go a little overboard and start increasing their dose too quickly because they feel 'more is better' and this is so far from the truth. More can be really bad unless you increase your dose according to Dr Peatfield's recommendation. If ever you do have an increase in your natural thyroid extract, and two hours after taking it you start to feel symptoms of dizziness, sweating, palpitations and generally feeling 'spaced-out', this is because you have taken too much, and it is the T3 in NDT that is likely to be the culprit. Don't panic. Simply take it easy for the next few hours and don't take any more NDT that day, and the following day, just go back onto the dose you were on before your last increase. This is often the dose your body requires and by increasing in this way (half a grain every 3 to 4 weeks) this is how you can find the dose your body needs. Luv - Sheila Hello everyone. I'd be grateful for some more advice, please. I have just heard from Dr. P who has said that I should be careful about raising my Armour too much, too quickly as one weird effect of too much is to shut everything down suddenly. If this had happened, would I know? What would I feel like if everything had shut down? I am trying to contact him, but it is not easy to talk to him and I might have to wait for a fortnight to get a slot in order to talk to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Thanks very much. Will ask my GP to do the tests. Do you have any comments about my goitre? From: Sheila <sheila@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Sat, June 25, 2011 12:25:12 PMSubject: RE: too much armour! Hi Vicki - check out the message I have just posted to Miranda and follow the guidelines there. Also, do check out the 'All Natural Thyroid Extract' FOLDER in the FILES section of this forum, and open 'How to Use Natural Thyroid Extract' and follow the recommendations there. Ask your doctor to check your iodine levels so you know whether these are low or high. Ask also to have your levels of ferritin, B12, D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc tested to see if any of these are low. Ask also (unless this has already been done) for your GP to test for TPO and TgAb antibodies to see whether you have Hashimoto's disease. Luv - Sheila Yes, you were quite right - I was panicking! It's just that so much rests on this Armour working (after having been ill for 26 years) that when faced with the possibility that it might go wrong, I was in a panic! I had raised it from 2 to 2.5 grams but had not noticed any palpitations or anything. However, as Dr. P has suggested I stay on 2 for a while, I have reduced the dose to that today! Thanks for the advice. a week or so ago I asked if anyone had ever experienced the formation of a goitre after taking Iodine - which was prescribed by my previous clinic. I stopped the Iodine on the advice of a consultant, who then later , after blood tests, proclaimed me fit and healthy. I then went to Dr. P, but the goitre is still with me and he hasn't ever heard of a goitre forming as mine did. When I asked the advice last week it was suggested that perhaps I should raise my Armour, which seemed logical and so it was then that I raised it to 2.5 gm. Oh well, any comments on the goitre? I guess I can live with it as it seems to be the least of my problems! _,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Hi, Sheila, I think that I must be being very thick but I cannot find the "How to use NTE" and nor can I find the Folder in the Files Section. In fact, can't find the Files section...please could you help?! From: Sheila <sheila@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Sat, June 25, 2011 12:25:12 PMSubject: RE: too much armour! Hi Vicki - check out the message I have just posted to Miranda and follow the guidelines there. Also, do check out the 'All Natural Thyroid Extract' FOLDER in the FILES section of this forum, and open 'How to Use Natural Thyroid Extract' and follow the recommendations there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Hi Vicky, Go to the forum main page and the files are in the column on the left.... thyroid treatment The how to use NT page on the website is here: http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk/treatment_howtotreatwithnt1.php but you really ought to look through the files on the forum.... There is masses ans masses of information...... plus you can look up old posts using the search facility..... > > Hi, Sheila, I think that I must be being very thick but I cannot find the " How > to use NTE " and nor can I find the Folder in the Files Section. In fact, can't > find the Files section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Not really, apart from the fact that if you are found to have thyroid antibodies, your goitre may be caused because of them. Thyroid antibodies see your thyroid gland as public enemy number one and set about it's eventual complete destruction. The antibodies attack the thyroid tissue sometimes, and at other times leave it alone. It is during the active times that the thyroid can become inflamed and sore, and a goitre can be formed. Does your goitre come and go, or is it constant, and is it growing? Luv - Sheila Thanks very much. Will ask my GP to do the tests. Do you have any comments about my goitre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 This made me laugh Vicki, no wonder you can't find anything if you can't even find the Files section. Go to the Home Page of this forum web site (keep this safe) http://health./group.thyroid treatment .. Check the Menu and you will see FILES. Click on that and on the Page that opens, scroll down the FOLDER entitled 'Discounts on Tests and Supplements' and open that. On that page, click on the 'Nutri Ltd' File, open that and follow the instructions. As far as the other question is concerned, click on the FOLDER entitled 'Adrenals'. On the page that opens there, scroll down the long list of documents to 'How to Treat Using Natural Thyroid Extract' and read the information there. There, now that you have found our FILES section - a whole new life has opened for you - there is stacks of information here you should find most valuable. Luv - Sheila Hi, Sheila, I think that I must be being very thick but I cannot find the " How to use NTE " and nor can I find the Folder in the Files Section. In fact, can't find the Files section...please could you help?! Hi Vicki - check out the message I have just posted to Miranda and follow the guidelines there. Also, do check out the 'All Natural Thyroid Extract' FOLDER in the FILES section of this forum, and open 'How to Use Natural Thyroid Extract' and follow the recommendations there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Hi, I looked up all the tests that the endo in London did and it seems that all these were done, with only vitamin D and femaile hormones being deficient, which I am now supplementing. He also did Thyroid antibodies and I can only assume that they were normal as he sent me away, telling me that the vitamin D supplements and the female hormones would sort me out in no time - they didn't and that is why I went to see Dr. P. The goitre is not growing and nor is it sore. It's just that I am aware of it! From: Sheila <sheila@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Sat, June 25, 2011 4:22:29 PMSubject: RE: too much armour! Not really, apart from the fact that if you are found to have thyroid antibodies, your goitre may be caused because of them. Thyroid antibodies see your thyroid gland as public enemy number one and set about it's eventual complete destruction. The antibodies attack the thyroid tissue sometimes, and at other times leave it alone. It is during the active times that the thyroid can become inflamed and sore, and a goitre can be formed. Does your goitre come and go, or is it constant, and is it growing? Luv - Sheila Thanks very much. Will ask my GP to do the tests. Do you have any comments about my goitre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Fortunately I am not completely computer illiterate! the problem was that I had been going to the tpa-uk website and did not know that I could get through to tpa from the forum web site. So now I know and yes, thanks, I have been able to find the files. I shall read them all. Incidentally, if I click on the link you give I am told that the file is not available. From: Sheila <sheila@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Sat, June 25, 2011 4:27:02 PMSubject: RE: too much armour! This made me laugh Vicki, no wonder you can't find anything if you can't even find the Files section. Go to the Home Page of this forum web site (keep this safe) http://health./group.thyroid treatment . Check the Menu and you will see FILES. Click on that and on the Page that opens, scroll down the FOLDER entitled 'Discounts on Tests and Supplements' and open that. On that page, click on the 'Nutri Ltd' File, open that and follow the instructions. As far as the other question is concerned, click on the FOLDER entitled 'Adrenals'. On the page that opens there, scroll down the long list of documents to 'How to Treat Using Natural Thyroid Extract' and read the information there. There, now that you have found our FILES section - a whole new life has opened for you - there is stacks of information here you should find most valuable. Luv - Sheila Hi, Sheila, I think that I must be being very thick but I cannot find the "How to use NTE" and nor can I find the Folder in the Files Section. In fact, can't find the Files section...please could you help?! Hi Vicki - check out the message I have just posted to Miranda and follow the guidelines there. Also, do check out the 'All Natural Thyroid Extract' FOLDER in the FILES section of this forum, and open 'How to Use Natural Thyroid Extract' and follow the recommendations there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Thanks, , I did not know that I could get through to TPA via the Forum, I was looking up the tpa-uk.org uk file. From: Galathea <galathea@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Sat, June 25, 2011 4:15:10 PMSubject: Re: too much armour! Hi Vicky,Go to the forum main page and the files are in the column on the left.... thyroid treatmentThe how to use NT page on the website is here:http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk/treatment_howtotreatwithnt1.php but you really ought to look through the files on the forum.... There is masses ans masses of information...... plus you can look up old posts using the search facility..... >> Hi, Sheila, I think that I must be being very thick but I cannot find the "How > to use NTE" and nor can I find the Folder in the Files Section. In fact, can't > find the Files section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Did you actually get the results, plus the reference range for each of the tests done or were you just told 'Your results are 'normal'? Never, never take a doctors word for this when they tell you they are normal, because quite often, so long as your results appear ANYWHERE within the reference range, you will be told they are 'normal' and therefore you don't have a problem. Time and time again, we learn about this, so it really is important you get these results and post them here so we can help with their interpretation. We need to know whether they are at the bottom, the middle or the top of the range. Luv - Sheila Hi, I looked up all the tests that the endo in London did and it seems that all these were done, with only vitamin D and femaile hormones being deficient, which I am now supplementing. He also did Thyroid antibodies and I can only assume that they were normal as he sent me away, telling me that the vitamin D supplements and the female hormones would sort me out in no time - they didn't and that is why I went to see Dr. P. The goitre is not growing and nor is it sore. It's just that I am aware of it! Thanks very much. Will ask my GP to do the tests. Do you have any comments about my goitre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Hi Vicky, whenever I ask members to go to the Files section, I usually mention that this is accessible from the Home page of the forum web site, but appreciate it can be so easy to believe the web site being referred to is the main TPA web site. Glad you have now found this anyway, and hope this opens up a new adventure for you. Luv - Sheila Fortunately I am not completely computer illiterate! the problem was that I had been going to the tpa-uk website and did not know that I could get through to tpa from the forum web site. So now I know and yes, thanks, I have been able to find the files. I shall read them all. Incidentally, if I click on the link you give I am told that the file is not available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Thanks. I was so upset that I just burst into tears and had to get away from him! I will ask him to send me the results. From: Sheila <sheila@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Sat, June 25, 2011 5:30:38 PMSubject: RE: too much armour! Did you actually get the results, plus the reference range for each of the tests done or were you just told 'Your results are 'normal'? Never, never take a doctors word for this when they tell you they are normal, because quite often, so long as your results appear ANYWHERE within the reference range, you will be told they are 'normal' and therefore you don't have a problem. Time and time again, we learn about this, so it really is important you get these results and post them here so we can help with their interpretation. We need to know whether they are at the bottom, the middle or the top of the range. Luv - Sheila Hi, I looked up all the tests that the endo in London did and it seems that all these were done, with only vitamin D and femaile hormones being deficient, which I am now supplementing. He also did Thyroid antibodies and I can only assume that they were normal as he sent me away, telling me that the vitamin D supplements and the female hormones would sort me out in no time - they didn't and that is why I went to see Dr. P. The goitre is not growing and nor is it sore. It's just that I am aware of it! Thanks very much. Will ask my GP to do the tests. Do you have any comments about my goitre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Thanks. I just thought that I was going mad! From: Sheila <sheila@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Sat, June 25, 2011 5:32:50 PMSubject: RE: too much armour! Hi Vicky, whenever I ask members to go to the Files section, I usually mention that this is accessible from the Home page of the forum web site, but appreciate it can be so easy to believe the web site being referred to is the main TPA web site. Glad you have now found this anyway, and hope this opens up a new adventure for you. Luv - Sheila Fortunately I am not completely computer illiterate! the problem was that I had been going to the tpa-uk website and did not know that I could get through to tpa from the forum web site. So now I know and yes, thanks, I have been able to find the files. I shall read them all. Incidentally, if I click on the link you give I am told that the file is not available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Hi Sheila: I was wondering if you could put the links to buying from Amazon.com.Uk and Amazon.com.US on THIS home page at the bottom... Since I rarely go to the TPA site, it would be nice to have them right here for all of us to click on !! Cheers, JOT > Hi Vicky, whenever I ask members to go to the Files section, I usually mention that this is accessible from the Home page of the forum web site, but appreciate it can be so easy to believe the web site being referred to is the main TPA web site. Glad you have now found this anyway, and hope this opens up a new adventure for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Going to see if that can be done JOT, need to experiment. Luv - Sheila Hi Sheila: I was wondering if you could put the links to buying from Amazon.com.Uk and Amazon.com.US on THIS home page at the bottom... Since I rarely go to the TPA site, it would be nice to have them right here for all of us to click on !! Cheers, JOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Vicki, no doctor in the UK can withhold any information that is in your medical notes, these are yours under the Freedom of Information. Good luck, and if you will find it easier to write a letter asking for these, then that might be better. Luv - Sheila Thanks. I was so upset that I just burst into tears and had to get away from him! I will ask him to send me the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Don't we all at times. You are in excellent company Vicky. Luv - Sheila Thanks. I just thought that I was going mad! ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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