LOW-CARB DIETS: Are You Losing More than Weight?

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Many people trying to lose weight are going on high-protein low-carb

diets. Learn what long-term effects these diets can have on your

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LOW-CARB DIETS: Are You Losing More than Weight?

by N. Gilbert, B.Sc.

http://www.NGilbert.com

The average American eats about twice as much protein than what they

require. Some people, in the pursuit of thinness, are going on low-

carb diets and are eating up to four times the protein their body

needs. Protein deficiency is certainly not a problem in America. So

exactly how much protein do you really need? Much less than you

think.

Protein is a vital nutrient, essential to your health. In its purest

form, protein consists of chains of amino acids. There are 22 amino

acids that combine to form different proteins, and 8 to 9 of these

must come from the foods we eat. Our body uses these amino acids to

create muscles, blood, skin, hair, nails and internal organs.

Proteins help replace and form new tissue, transports oxygen and

nutrients in our blood and cells, regulates the balance of water and

acids, and is essential for making antibodies.

However, too much of a good thing may not be so good for you. Many

people are putting their health at risk by eating to much protein.

Excessive protein consumption, particularly animal protein, can

result in heart disease, stroke, osteoporosis, and kidney stones. As

important as protein is for our body, there are many misconceptions

about how much we really need in our diet, and the best way to obtain

it.

According to the American Heart Association and the National

Institutes of Health, as little as 50-60 grams of protein is enough

for most adults. This breaks down to about 10-12% of total

calories. Your body only needs 0.36 grams of protein per pound of

body weight. To calculate the exact amount you need, multiply your

ideal weight by 0.36. This will give you your optimum daily protein

requirement in grams. Since the amount of protein needed depends on

how much lean body mass you have, ideal weight is used instead of

actual weight. Infants, children, pregnant and nursing women require

more protein.

People on low-carb diets are consuming up to 34% of their total

calories in the form of protein and up to 53% of total calories from

fat. Most of these people are unaware of the amount of protein and

fat that is contained in the foods they eat. For instance, a typical

3-ounce beef hamburger, which is small by American standards,

contains about 22 grams of protein and 20 grams of fat. You achieve

quick weight loss on these diets because of this high fat content.

High fat foods give you the sensation of feeling full, faster, so you

end up eating fewer total calories. However, this type of protein

and fat combination is not the healthiest. Animal proteins are

loaded with cholesterol and saturated fat. Many people on these

diets also experience an elevation in their LDL (the bad) cholesterol

when they remain on this diet for long periods. High levels of LDL

cholesterol in the blood, clog arteries and is the chief culprit in

heart disease, particularly heart attack and stroke. So while you

may lose weight in the short-run, you are putting your cardiovascular

health in jeopardy in the long-run.

Another reason weight loss is achieved on these low-carb diets, at

least temporarily, is due to water loss. The increase in the amount

of protein consumed, especially from meat and dairy products, raises

the levels of uric acid and urea in the blood. These are toxic by-

products of protein breakdown and metabolism. The body eliminates

this uric acid and urea by pumping lots of water into the kidneys and

urinary tract to help flush it out. However, a detrimental side

effect of this diuretic response is the loss of essential minerals

from the body, including calcium. The high intake of protein leaches

calcium from the bones, which leads to osteoporosis.

Medical evidence shows that for every 1 gram increase in animal

protein ingested the body loses an average of 1.75 milligrams of

calcium in the urine. Additionally, as calcium and other minerals

are leached from our bones, they are deposited in the kidneys, which

can form into painful kidney stones. If a kidney stone becomes large

enough to cause a blockage, it stops the flow of urine from the

kidney and must be removed by surgery or other methods.

Plant-based proteins, like beans, legumes and soyfoods, also provide

fiber, which helps lowers LDL cholesterol and raises HDL (the good)

cholesterol. This prevents the build up of arterial plaque, which

leads to atherosclerosis (hardening of the arteries) and heart

disease, thus reducing the risk of heart attack and stroke. The

amount and type of protein in your diet also has an important impact

on calcium absorption and excretion.

Vegetable-protein diets enhance calcium retention in the body, and

causes less calcium excretion in the urine. This reduces the risk of

osteoporosis and kidney problems. Interestingly, kidney disease is

far less common in people who eat a vegetable-based diet than it is

in people who eat an animal-based diet.

By replacing animal protein with vegetable protein, and replacing

saturated fat with unsaturated fat (like olive and canola oils), you

can avoid the pitfalls of the typical high-protein low-carb diet.

You will improve your health and regulate your weight while enjoying

a vast array of delicious, nutritionally dense, high fiber foods.

Remember, eat everything in moderation and nothing in excess. Also,

the healthy way to lose weight and keep it off is to eat nutritiously

and make permanent lifestyle changes that allow you burn more

calories than you take in.

Copyright © 2005 N. Gilbert. All rights reserved.

N. Gilbert, B.Sc. is a Health, Nutrition, Weight-Loss and

Lifestyle Coach; Certified Personal Trainer/Fitness Counselor; Recipe

Developer; Freelance Writer and Author of Virtues of Soy: A Practical

Health Guide and Cookbook. http://www.NGilbert.com

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Author Bio . . .

N. Gilbert has offered guidance in natural health,

nutrition, fitness, weight-loss and stress management since 1989.

Through her coaching program and writings, motivates and

teaches how to improve your well-being and vitality with balanced

nutrition, physical activity and healthy living. For more

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Er - I guess I need to go back to kindergarten:

I had said my diet was 55% protein, 55% fat and 10% carb as regards

calorie breakdown.

That should be 45-45-10.

SORRY!

.....Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, kindergarden candidate.

[Guest guest]

Okay, I feel I need to put my 2 cents worth in here. I have been a somewhat

vegetarian for many years now. I actually became a vegetarian not because of

health reasons but because of moral animal issues. A PETA friend of mine

enlightened me to the truths of factory farming and the breeding and torture of

animals. When you eat meat, you are eating everything that they consume and

are subjected to...ie hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, not to mention the

sickly state they are in at the time of slaughter. This is healthy? It's

disgusting! I do realize that this forum is not about animal welfare so I will

get off my soapbox now and not bore you with these issues. (Anybody interested

in exactly what eating meat consists of can visit the PETA website and watch the

video narrated by Alec Baldwin, entitled Meet your Meat. )

So, since this is a longevity forum, I will try to keep my response related to

that issue. Anyways, after years of being vegetarian for moral reasons, along

the way , I found out the profound effect on my health as well. At 45, I am

about as healthy as can be. I don't even remember ever even having a cold. I

weigh 120 pounds, the same I weighed when I was 16 and have no health probelms

whatsoever. I get my blood thouroughly checked through the Life Extension

Foundation once a year and everything is healthy. I attribute this to NOT eating

animal protein and instead eating a healthy, whole grains, lots of vegetables

diet. You can get all the protein you need from vegetables, legumes, and whole

grains. My main protein source is from soy, so I beg to differ from the

previous post that says soy is bad. Asians have been eating soy for thousands

of years and they are a whole lot healthier than us.

This whole high protein-low carb diet is just a bunch of crap for people to

make money as far as I'm concerned.

I think the main issue comes down to weight. You cannot in any way be healthy

if you are overweight. An overweight person has clogged up arteries and is on

the verge of diabetes if not there already. Eating tons of meat means eating

tons of fat, which means being overweight. This is not healthy, plain and

simple. These high protein low carb diets are just a time bomb. Sure, you will

lose weight at first, giving up refined carbs, but you will not be healthy in

the end. My husband went on the South Beach diet and lost 25 pounds. He

started having chest pains, went to the doctor, and found out he had high blood

pressure and a 300 cholesterol reading. After convincing him to give up meat

and take vitamins for 3 months, his cholesterol went down to 194 and he feels

healthier than ever. Being a heavy meat eater previously, he now claims he will

never eat meat. Wow!!! Who says you can't change your husband?!? Just takes

time <smile> I now envision him standing next to me at the next fur coat

protest!!

Anyways, from my experience being around different types of people, I have found

that the vegetarian group is always a whole lot healthier than the meat-eating

group. My ex-mother-in-law who is 86 and been a vegetarian for 45 years is so

healthy--she goes on a 20 mile bike trail with my group every 2 weeks! Then

there's the 50 ish meat-eating, high protein women I work with that do nothing

but complain of their never-ending illnesses and extol the virtues of a low-carb

diet. " Oh, I eat nothing but animals and I lost weight. Now I only weigh 200

pounds! " Give me a break! I'm sorry, but when was the last time you saw a 90

year old fat person? Not gonna happen. And eating meat is gonna make you fat

and it's gonna make you sick. In my 45 years that's what I've seen and no

scientific gibberish about uric acid will ever convince me otherwise. It's

commen sense people, YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT! How can eating a sick, abused,

unhealthy animal on antibiotics and hormones be healthy? And, for the person

with Cushings disease, from what I understand, it is caused by an excessive

intake of hormones. How could your doctor let you continue to eat so much meat

which is filled with hormones? Do you have any idea how many hormones are

pumped into those animals? This could not possibly make your condition better.

So, I say screw that high animal protein diet. I have never seen a single

healthy person on that diet. Show me people, not supposed " research " . Even I

have " research " on the many benefits of eating vegetables, but it's not only

boring but it's pretty obvious and plain commen sense.

Rhonda

" Save an animal,

Eat a Vegetable "

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rhonda5412@... wrote:

<<Okay, I feel I need to put my 2 cents worth in here. I have been a

somewhat vegetarian for many years now. I actually became a vegetarian

not because of health reasons but because of moral animal issues.>>

I've heard that superficial argument several times but it doesn't fit

the facts if you look deeper:

Humans are designed to eat meat not vegetable and the land is designed

to support meat and not vegetable. The " food chain " as it is called, is

a well designed system in which each species eats appropriately to their

design and this keeps the ecology in balance. Any place on the Earth

that is as it used to be - such as Kruger NAtional Park in south AFrica

- will show this very clearly. Removing even one level from the system

or adding one not designed to be there - does harm to the whole.

I am a meat eater for moral animal reasons, as well as health reasons,

and also to honor the incredibly good design of the human body and of

the prey animals we are designed to eat to help keep the natural

balance. Growing grains and plants actually depletes the land and does

harm that puts the balance out for the animals.

<< A PETA friend of mine enlightened me to the truths >>

PETA is in my view an immoral organization that has the worst imaginable

ulterior motives of violence - hidden below a thin veneer that pretends

to have animal welfare in mind. They do not care about how animals feel

at all and have proved it plenty often enough with their violent and

cruel acts. Your friend may be a nice person - but PETA is poison.

<< When you eat meat, you are eating everything that they consume and

are subjected to>>

Actually you are eating those aspects that have not yet been processed

by the kidneys, liver etc when it comes to hormones, antibiotics etc,

and there are rules about that. It's not as though animals have some

sort of internal storehouse to accumulate whatever they ever ate in that

regard. It's more relevant in my view that animals are fed grain instead

of free range grass. The meat composition on free range grass is higher

in omega-3 fats and other healthier aspects.

<< ...ie hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, not to mention the sickly

state they are in at the time of slaughter.>>

Sickly animals are not part of the meat we eat. I suggest - don't get

your information from PETA. They would not know the truth if they fell

over it.

<< This is healthy? It's disgusting! I do realize that this forum is

not about animal welfare >>

Nor is PETA.

But we have a point of agreement that this is off topic :-)

<< So, since this is a longevity forum, I will try to keep my response

related to that issue. Anyways, after years of being vegetarian for

moral reasons, along the way , I found out the profound effect on my

health as well. At 45, I am about as healthy as can be.>>

That is great.

I quite believe that some people can be vegetarian and be healthy -

usually they have type A blood. Most people can not be healthy as

vegetarians however, their bodies are simply not designed for it.

Only about 15% of people are Type A, and no other type is truly able to

be healthy as a vegetarian.

<< My main protein source is from soy, so I beg to differ from the

previous post that says soy is bad.>>

A few people such as those with type A blood can eat soy if they are

secretors (= secrete their blood antigens into body fluids, those being

protective). For most people however, as research shows, soy is

unhealthy and skews the immune system to predispose Th-2 skewed chronic

diseases. (For example fibromyalgia, allergies, arthritis, diabetes,

cancer, lupus, and the list goes on). So it's great if soy suits you -

maybe you are type A blood?

<< Asians have been eating soy for thousands of years and they are a

whole lot healthier than us.>>

I have not studied this to be in a position to comment.

Personally I've seen healthy and unhealthy Asians and none that eat soy.

<<This whole high protein-low carb diet is just a bunch of crap for

people to make money as far as I'm concerned.>>

Your language could use some dishwashing, but the high protein diet I

eat with its low carbs is what has made me healthy - just as your choice

of diet has worked for you. No need to call it names.

I'm blood type O, and Rh-neg and a nonsecretor. I have totally different

requirements per the intricate design of my body than someone else may

have. I respect that Creation and eat accordingly.

<<I think the main issue comes down to weight. You cannot in any way be

healthy if you are overweight. An overweight person has clogged up

arteries and is on the verge of diabetes if not there already. >>

I am still overweight at 225 lbs though I have lost 75 lbs so far and I

agree with you that being obese is seriously unhealthy. Unfortunately as

I got cushing's syndrome and it was not diagnosed for 3 years - I was

300 lbs by that time despite the healthiest eating I could devise

without knowing that I had Cushing's and what that meant.

I was diagnosed Nov 2001 and since then have been doing all I can to

regain my health.

Your statement that fat people have clogged arteries is a generalization

that is not valid. I am overweight but I have clear arteries and an

excellent lipid profile. I do have diabetes, and I have to use insulin

too - it is a side effect of long-term Cushings syndrome unfortunately -

but I control my blood sugar to normal-person levels not just " diabetic

okay by ADA " levels - which are a sad joke in my opinion.

<< Eating tons of meat means eating tons of fat, which means being

overweight.>>

This also is not true. With respect you are writing assumptions only or

at best generalizations - and they are not valid:

I eat two pounds a day of meat/eggs and it is how I am able to *lose*

the fat caused by Cushings syndrome. 75 gone and counting :-))

<< This is not healthy, plain and simple. These high protein low carb

diets are just a time bomb. Sure, you will lose weight at first, giving

up refined carbs, but you will not be healthy in the end.>>

On the contrary. This is exactly how I am getting healthier against the

odds that gave me a maximum life span of " up to five years " with

Cushings syndrome. Instead it is now 7 years and I am healthier every

year instead of the opposite. So your assumption does not fit the facts.

Dr BErnstein is a diabetic doctor whose patients also are all healthy on

high protein low cab - and that's for a lot more years than I've had so

far. Dr B himself is an older man and has had diabetes since age 11

which in itself is saying something.

<< My husband went on the South Beach diet and lost 25 pounds. He

started having chest pains, went to the doctor, and found out he had

high blood pressure and a 300 cholesterol reading.>>

I have not read South Beach diet - but I can bet it does not emphasize

olive oil and fish oil. That is the reason for the high cholesterol -

not the meat - but the lack of healthy oils.

<< Anyways, from my experience being around different types of people, I

have found that the vegetarian group is always a whole lot healthier

than the meat-eating group.>>

I have yet to find a healthy vegetarian. My daughter-in-law started that

way till my son converted her. She now has a lot more energy and muscle

power and has made great progress in her sport of volleyball, becoming a

national champion. She did not have the stamina for that as a vegetarian.

My grandmother who died at age 105 - was one of thirteen siblings - all

small-farm owners, farming beef and fruit (one did chickens) - with 105

their average age of death. They all farmed to their dying day, which is

hard work by the way. Seems to me pretty good evidence of high protein

meat diet being healthy:-))

Very likely the blood type effect is also at work - and I have inherited

the same one suited to meat eating.

<< " Oh, I eat nothing but animals and I lost weight. Now I only weigh

200 pounds! " Give me a break!>>

My own goal weight is 195.

I'm at 225.

At 6 foot 3, 195 would be about right.

<< I'm sorry, but when was the last time you saw a 90 year old fat

person? >>

My great uncle Arch was quite fat at age 108 - he ran the sausage

factory and was a jolly fellow - but most of the older folks in my

family were not skinny by any stretch but not fat either.

<< Not gonna happen. And eating meat is gonna make you fat and it's

gonna make you sick.>>

Gonna?

Not in my family :-)

<< In my 45 years that's what I've seen and no scientific gibberish

about uric acid will ever convince me otherwise. It's commen sense

people, YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT! How can eating a sick, abused, unhealthy

animal on antibiotics and hormones be healthy? >>

I don't know - nobody has tried that yet.

It's PETA fiction.

<< And, for the person with Cushings disease, from what I understand, it

is caused by an excessive intake of hormones. >>

You know so nothing about it. so I'll enlighten :-))

Cushing's disease is excess cortisol due to tumours in the pituitary

gland which produces ACTH hormone which in turn stimulates the adrenals

to produce cortisol. I do not have cushing's disease.

Pseudo-cushing's syndrome is caused by excess prescription cortisone

type hormones and has the same symptoms as other forms of Cushing's

syndromes. I do not have that either.

As I mentioned what I have is Cushing's Syndrome and MEN-1 syndrome.

This involves tumours that can be anywhere in the body - carcinoid

tumours - which produce hormones at random. So

I have these tumours and some produce cortisol, some produce aldosterone

and some produce insulin in my case.

I did not ask to have cancer much less cancer that produces hormones,

but I get to live with the effects of 320 units of cortisol for example

where a normal person has 10 to 40. Usually you live up to 5 years after

that happens. That happened in 1998 in my case.

And no I have never had " excessive intake of hormones " as you put it. I

have never taken a hormone for anything ever. Neither MEN-1 nor cushings

syndrome has anything to do with hormone intake. In fact both diseases

were triggered during a period when I was unable to eat a proper meat

diet due to circumstances beyond my control which I shall not discuss

here. I'll just say I was basically starved in circumstances outside my

control.

<< How could your doctor let you continue to eat so much meat which is

filled with hormones?>>

Apart from the situation referred to which wrecked my health that had

been great before then - I choose what I eat, not my doctor :-))

<< Do you have any idea how many hormones are pumped into those animals? >>

A better idea than you or PETA has yes :-))

In the United States, there are six FDA-approved hormones: three

naturally occurring hormones (estradiol, progesterone, and testosterone)

and their synthetic surrogates (zeranol, melengestrol acetate and

trenbolone acetate).

As it happens the hormones used are anabolic and if anything would help

to counter the cortisol excess I have which is catabolic. But the levels

in purchased meat are not significant.

<<This could not possibly make your condition better. >>

Well meat eating indeed did make it better and continues to do so. So

another assumption you made is incorrect.

In April 2001 I was near death in hospital with cardiomyopathy and

congestive heart failure as a side effect of cushings (undiagnosed still

after seeing 13 doctors at that point), and I had bronchopneumonia and

could not move as I did not get in enough air.

Now I am able to ride a bicycle 20 miles in a day and have normal heart

and lung function. I'm not back to my pre-1998 health (also meat-based)

but I am getting closer every year.

<< So, I say screw that high animal protein diet. >>

It's one way to describe a good meat grinder to make great sausage :-))

<< I have never seen a single healthy person on that diet. Show me

people, not supposed " research " .>>

Contrary to your belief - I and the rest of my family are real people.

You want a picture - there's one of me here on my website:

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/index.html

Now you can see a real person who has done what even the doctors

consider impossible by eating the right high meat low carb diet with

appropriate fats.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

Moral reasons to not eat meat? How do you know it wasn't the karmic

destiny of that chicken to be my sandwich? Who are YOU to deny that

reincarnated Nazi their chance to recoup themselves! For shame! Do

your part! Kill something! Eat it!

Health? Simple: Exercise, fresh fruits & veggies, nuts, whole grains,

lean meats, avoid processed foods (esp. corn syrup and hydrogenated

oils), exercise (again!), supplements, laugh a lot, stretch, relax,

moderation, moderation, moderation.

Here is a picture of an omnivore at 80 years old.

http://bobdelmonteque.com/

I haven't seen anyone show any conclusive evidence vegetarians live

longer; just evidence that fat asses who don't move much, eat crap food,

smoke and drink die quick (hey, sounds like a way to save Social Security).

Dave

PS You know why PETA doesn't care as much about leather jackets?

....Because BIKERS don't wear fur!

rhonda5412@... wrote:

>Okay, I feel I need to put my 2 cents worth in here. I have been a somewhat

vegetarian for many years now. I actually became a vegetarian not because of

health reasons but because of moral animal issues. A PETA friend of mine

enlightened me to the truths of factory farming and the breeding and torture of

animals. When you eat meat, you are eating everything that they consume and

are subjected to...ie hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, not to mention the

sickly state they are in at the time of slaughter. This is healthy? It's

disgusting! I do realize that this forum is not about animal welfare so I will

get off my soapbox now and not bore you with these issues. (Anybody interested

in exactly what eating meat consists of can visit the PETA website and watch the

video narrated by Alec Baldwin, entitled Meet your Meat. )

>

>So, since this is a longevity forum, I will try to keep my response related to

that issue. Anyways, after years of being vegetarian for moral reasons, along

the way , I found out the profound effect on my health as well. At 45, I am

about as healthy as can be. I don't even remember ever even having a cold. I

weigh 120 pounds, the same I weighed when I was 16 and have no health probelms

whatsoever. I get my blood thouroughly checked through the Life Extension

Foundation once a year and everything is healthy. I attribute this to NOT eating

animal protein and instead eating a healthy, whole grains, lots of vegetables

diet. You can get all the protein you need from vegetables, legumes, and whole

grains. My main protein source is from soy, so I beg to differ from the

previous post that says soy is bad. Asians have been eating soy for thousands

of years and they are a whole lot healthier than us.

>This whole high protein-low carb diet is just a bunch of crap for people to

make money as far as I'm concerned.

>I think the main issue comes down to weight. You cannot in any way be healthy

if you are overweight. An overweight person has clogged up arteries and is on

the verge of diabetes if not there already. Eating tons of meat means eating

tons of fat, which means being overweight. This is not healthy, plain and

simple. These high protein low carb diets are just a time bomb. Sure, you will

lose weight at first, giving up refined carbs, but you will not be healthy in

the end. My husband went on the South Beach diet and lost 25 pounds. He

started having chest pains, went to the doctor, and found out he had high blood

pressure and a 300 cholesterol reading. After convincing him to give up meat

and take vitamins for 3 months, his cholesterol went down to 194 and he feels

healthier than ever. Being a heavy meat eater previously, he now claims he will

never eat meat. Wow!!! Who says you can't change your husband?!? Just takes

time <smile> I now envision him standing next to me at the next fur coat

protest!!

>

>Anyways, from my experience being around different types of people, I have

found that the vegetarian group is always a whole lot healthier than the

meat-eating group. My ex-mother-in-law who is 86 and been a vegetarian for 45

years is so healthy--she goes on a 20 mile bike trail with my group every 2

weeks! Then there's the 50 ish meat-eating, high protein women I work with that

do nothing but complain of their never-ending illnesses and extol the virtues of

a low-carb diet. " Oh, I eat nothing but animals and I lost weight. Now I only

weigh 200 pounds! " Give me a break! I'm sorry, but when was the last time you

saw a 90 year old fat person? Not gonna happen. And eating meat is gonna make

you fat and it's gonna make you sick. In my 45 years that's what I've seen and

no scientific gibberish about uric acid will ever convince me otherwise. It's

commen sense people, YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT! How can eating a sick, abused,

unhealthy animal on antibiotics and hormones be healthy? And, for the person

with Cushings disease, from what I understand, it is caused by an excessive

intake of hormones. How could your doctor let you continue to eat so much meat

which is filled with hormones? Do you have any idea how many hormones are

pumped into those animals? This could not possibly make your condition better.

So, I say screw that high animal protein diet. I have never seen a single

healthy person on that diet. Show me people, not supposed " research " . Even I

have " research " on the many benefits of eating vegetables, but it's not only

boring but it's pretty obvious and plain commen sense.

>

>Rhonda

>

> " Save an animal,

>Eat a Vegetable "

>

>