Jump to content
RemedySpot.com

Choosing A Juicer

Rate this topic


Guest guest

Recommended Posts

Hello carlos,

A son, Phd, working for Hallelujah Acres, has done exhaustive

testing & studies on many juicers. He concludes

that the 3 best ones in order are Norwalk, GreenLife, and Champion. If you want

to spend $2000, the Norwalk is for you.

Otherwise get the best price you can on the Greenlife or the Champion, approx

$595, and $295

respectively. Some searching on the internet may get you some savings... I am

pasting an article below, but for more details

and extensive findings on many juicers, go to the Hallelujah Acres.com site:

richard :-)

For five years, the Hallelujah Acres ministry has written health information and

given it away. Use the search below to access

this huge library.

Search Product ReviewsArticlesResearch Articles For

Green Power Juicer Printable Version E-mail This

Read to learn why we think the Green Power Juicer is a great choice

Unique features of the Green Power Juice Extractor allow it to produce a juice

that is longer-lasting because more nutrients are

kept intact.

Carrot juice from the Green Power can be refrigerated 48 hours, maintaining

nutritional value and good taste. The reason this

juice can be kept longer, company officials explain, is the Green Power extracts

more nutrients in the juicing process. The

extra enzymes and added stability of minerals enables the life, vitality and

freshness of the juice to be maintained for a

longer time.

The first distinguishing feature I noticed on the Green Power was that it has

two slow-moving " twin gears " that squeeze and

crush the food, contrasted with a single fast-spinning cutter blade with sharp

teeth that is characteristic of the Norwalk and

Champion juicers. Instead of fast-moving teeth that cut and rip into the fruit

or vegetable, the triturating process of the

Green Power occurs when food is squeezed and crushed between two stainless steel

gears moving at the slow speed of 90 r.p.m. For

an idea of how slow 90 r.p.m. is, consider that the cutter blade of a Champion

moves at 1,725 r.p.m., (19 times faster) and the

Norwalk blade spins at 3,250 r.p.m. (36 times faster). Green Power officials say

reduction in heat and friction means more

enzymes are kept intact in the juicing process.

As these gears squeeze, crush and move the triturated fruit or vegetable along,

the juice is forced through a fine stainless

steel strainer, while the pulp is expelled. The dryness of the pulp from the

Green Power is an indication that more juice (and

therefore more nutrients) are being extracted. And unlike the time-consuming

two-step process of the Norwalk, which involves

trituration and a separate hydraulic press, the Green Power uses a one-step

process similar to that of the Champion.

In addition to keeping more enzymes intact because of less heat and friction,

the Green Power also utilizes bioceramic and

magnetic technologies, which the company says helps to add more positive ions --

and vitality -- to minerals in the juice. It

was easy for me to see how the slow-moving twin gears could keep more enzymes

intact because of the reduced heat and friction,

but the molecular effect of the magnetic and bioceramic technologies is a bit

more technical. Here is how that was explained by

company officials and consultants:

At the core of each of the twin gears is a series of magnets. The magnets are

each three-quarters of an inch long and are

alternated between positive and negative. When the two gears are placed

side-by-side, the positive and negative magnets are also

alternated between the gears, which generates a positive charge, or attraction.

At the molecular level, this means the magnets

are creating positive ions as the gears spin.

Surrounding the inner core of magnets is a second level containing bioceramic

particles and an outer layer of stainless steel.

Bioceramic particles, produced by infrared technology, also emit positive ions.

Magnets in the Green Power work in conjunction

with these bioceramic particles, the company explains. The magnets recharge the

bioceramic material and the bioceramic material

recharges the magnets. Without this recharging, the effect of both the magnets

and the bioceramic material each would eventually

be diminished.

As the gears are spinning, the magnets and the bioceramic material are each

producing more positive ions than can be held in

charge by either the magnets or bioceramic material, therefore many of these

positive ions go into the juice. These additional

positive ions add more vitality and longevity to the life of the minerals, which

reduces oxidation and keeps the juice fresher

longer.

Company literature states juice from the Green Power can be kept refrigerated

for two days. I have tried this and found the

48-hour-old carrot juice to still taste very good. It remained bright orange,

showing no apparent signs of oxidation. When

carrot juice has lost its freshness due to substantial oxidation, this oxidation

is obvious because the bright orange juice

turns brown and no longer has the same fresh smell or taste. There is some

separation that occurs with two-day-old juice from a

Green Power, and that can be remedied by stirring, shaking or re-straining the

juice.

The Green Power allows you to make juice for the next day or two, which can be

stored in glass jars in the refrigerator. This is

a real time-saving feature. Some days I have two or three glasses of juice

without setting up and cleaning my juicer. Anytime I

plan to spend a day or two on the road, I find it very convenient to pack a few

jars of fresh juice in a cooler. (Two hints for

keeping juice longer: Peel your carrots instead of just scrubbing them, which

will eliminate a lot of bacteria, and fill small

jars to the top with juice, allowing as little oxygen in the jar as possible.)

And this is the perfect juicing solution for people who have a job where it is

impossible or inconvenient to bring a juicer to

work. The best time to juice is during the early to middle part of one's daily

eating cycle. The ability to make extra juice the

night before would make it much easier for many people to drink juice at work.

Now I have been the happy owner of a Champion Juicer since 1991, and I juice

most every day. I still think the Champion is a

fine juicer. But for those who can afford the extra cost, I would suggest the

Green Power as an alternative to consider. I

especially recommend the Green Power for anyone who would like to be able to

store their juice for one or two days.

As with the Champion, the Green Power comes with attachments that allow it to be

used to make baby foods, nut butters and frozen

desserts. The Green Power also is capable of juicing wheat grass and comes with

attachments for making various types of pasta.

As for prices, the Champion retails for $269.00, the Green Power costs $595.00,

and the Norwalk Press tops out at about

$2,000.00. These are the only three juicers we recommend at Hallelujah Acres. We

specifically do not recommend a centrifugal

juicer (any juicer with a spinning basket) because it only cuts and shreds the

food, which does not extract a sufficient amount

of nutrients into the juice.

The Champion and the Norwalk have been around for decades and have introduced

many people to the healthful benefits of fresh

vegetable and fruit juice. The Green Power is the new kid on the block, and it's

rapidly gaining recognition and respect. The

Green Power was the Grand Prize Winner of the 9th International Invention/New

Products Exposition in Pittsburgh, Penn. in May

1993; it was the winner of the Korean President's 1st Prize in the 93 Invention

Day in May 1993; it won the Silver Medal at the

International Exhibition of Inventions in Nurinburg, Germany in March 1993; and

it won Silver Medal at the 20th International

Exhibition of Inventions in Geneva, Switzerland in May 1993.

The Champion is a very dependable and versatile juicer that has produced great

results for many people. And the Norwalk Press,

developed by Dr. Norman and used at the Gerson Clinic, has been available

for those who could spend up to $2,000 for a

juicer. Now there is another choice for people willing to pay more for a higher

quality juicer. Many of these people will find

the Green Power to be an attractive option. From my experience with all three

juicers, I could justify paying more than double

the cost of a Champion to buy a Green Power. But I couldn't justify spending

more than three times the cost of a Green Power for

a Norwalk.

Choosing a Juicer

> Hi everybody,

> I am planning to buy a really good juicer. I have heard

> many things about veg and fruit juices and I'm pretty

> sure that it is essential for the patient having the

> best nutrition possible. But, as everything in the last

> weeks, I haven't got a clear picture about the best

> option to buy.

> I have checked some websites, and the main requirements

> for the best juicer is: low RPM rating (less than 100),

> so it can keep the best levels of enzymes and

> nutrients; also it is important the type of process:

> centrifugal, masticating and hydraulic press- according

> to my readings the best is the last one, because the

> first two creates oxidation (although the first could

> be avoided if one drinks the juice almost immediately

> after being prepared, they say).

> Well, I have checked in a couple of websites the brands

> Champion, Samson, Omega and Norwalk. The last one

> seemed to be the best... and the most expensive. From

> the others I would like to be sure of their pros and

> cons. As a first impression, I considered the Samson,

> but only found a single reference about it.

> Once again, confusion strikes, and I would like to know

> if any of you have comments or recommendations about

> the type of juicer I should consider. I will have to

> buy it online also, because in Peru we don't know any

> of those brands.

> Thanks once again for your help,

> carlos

>

>

>

>

> Mensaje citado por: Melinda Wiman <wiman@...>:

>

> > How about Cimetidine?

> http://www.healing.bc.ca/therapy_cimetidine.shtml

> >

> > Cimetidine (Tagamet) is one of the most commonly

> prescribed drugs in the

> > wo> rld. Used by millions of people around the world

> to treat stomach ulcers

> > an> d related digestive disorders, this prescription

> drug was found to have

> > imm> uno-stimulant, anti-tumour and anti-metastatic

> effects. There have been

> > occ> asional reports of massive malignant tumours

> undergoing complete and long

> > s> ustained remission on cimetidine alone.

> >

> > Cimetidine is inexpensive, readily available by

> prescription and is

> > usually> very well tolerated. The usual dose is 300

> mg four times per day with

> > meal> s and at bedtime.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

Unsubscribe by sending email to

cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting

http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

<cures for cancer >

From: " richard strickland " <rnworks@...>

Date sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:25:30 -0400

Send reply to: cures for cancer

Subject: Re: Choosing a Juicer

> A son, Phd, working for Hallelujah Acres, has done

> exhaustive testing & studies on many juicers. He concludes

> that the 3 best ones in order are Norwalk, GreenLife, and Champion. If

> you want to spend $2000, the Norwalk is for you. Otherwise get the best

> price you can on the Greenlife or the Champion, approx $595, and $295

> respectively.

> The first distinguishing feature I noticed on the Green Power was that it

> has two slow-moving " twin gears " that squeeze and crush the food,

> contrasted with a single fast-spinning cutter blade with sharp teeth that

> is characteristic of the Norwalk and Champion juicers.

Hi,

the Omega 8000 juicer - $399 - also has the same type of twin steel

gears

as Green Power, but at a lower price.

http://www.juiceronline.com/o2.htm

I agree, the twin steel gears are the best type of juicers.

moonbeam

Instead of

> fast-moving teeth that cut and rip into the fruit or vegetable, the

> triturating process of the Green Power occurs when food is squeezed and

> crushed between two stainless steel gears moving at the slow speed of 90

> r.p.m. For an idea of how slow 90 r.p.m. is, consider that the cutter

> blade of a Champion moves at 1,725 r.p.m., (19 times faster) and the

> Norwalk blade spins at 3,250 r.p.m. (36 times faster). Green Power

> officials say reduction in heat and friction means more enzymes are kept

> intact in the juicing process.

>

> As these gears squeeze, crush and move the triturated fruit or vegetable

> along, the juice is forced through a fine stainless steel strainer, while

> the pulp is expelled. The dryness of the pulp from the Green Power is an

> indication that more juice (and therefore more nutrients) are being

> extracted. And unlike the time-consuming two-step process of the Norwalk,

> which involves trituration and a separate hydraulic press, the Green Power

> uses a one-step process similar to that of the Champion.

>

> In addition to keeping more enzymes intact because of less heat and

> friction, the Green Power also utilizes bioceramic and magnetic

> technologies, which the company says helps to add more positive ions --

> and vitality -- to minerals in the juice. It was easy for me to see how

> the slow-moving twin gears could keep more enzymes intact because of the

> reduced heat and friction, but the molecular effect of the magnetic and

> bioceramic technologies is a bit more technical. Here is how that was

> explained by company officials and consultants:

>

> At the core of each of the twin gears is a series of magnets. The magnets

> are each three-quarters of an inch long and are alternated between

> positive and negative. When the two gears are placed side-by-side, the

> positive and negative magnets are also alternated between the gears, which

> generates a positive charge, or attraction. At the molecular level, this

> means the magnets are creating positive ions as the gears spin.

>

> Surrounding the inner core of magnets is a second level containing

> bioceramic particles and an outer layer of stainless steel. Bioceramic

> particles, produced by infrared technology, also emit positive ions.

> Magnets in the Green Power work in conjunction with these bioceramic

> particles, the company explains. The magnets recharge the bioceramic

> material and the bioceramic material recharges the magnets. Without this

> recharging, the effect of both the magnets and the bioceramic material

> each would eventually be diminished.

>

> As the gears are spinning, the magnets and the bioceramic material are

> each producing more positive ions than can be held in charge by either the

> magnets or bioceramic material, therefore many of these positive ions go

> into the juice. These additional positive ions add more vitality and

> longevity to the life of the minerals, which reduces oxidation and keeps

> the juice fresher longer.

>

> Company literature states juice from the Green Power can be kept

> refrigerated for two days. I have tried this and found the 48-hour-old

> carrot juice to still taste very good. It remained bright orange, showing

> no apparent signs of oxidation. When carrot juice has lost its freshness

> due to substantial oxidation, this oxidation is obvious because the bright

> orange juice turns brown and no longer has the same fresh smell or taste.

> There is some separation that occurs with two-day-old juice from a Green

> Power, and that can be remedied by stirring, shaking or re-straining the

> juice.

>

> The Green Power allows you to make juice for the next day or two, which

> can be stored in glass jars in the refrigerator. This is a real

> time-saving feature. Some days I have two or three glasses of juice

> without setting up and cleaning my juicer. Anytime I plan to spend a day

> or two on the road, I find it very convenient to pack a few jars of fresh

> juice in a cooler. (Two hints for keeping juice longer: Peel your carrots

> instead of just scrubbing them, which will eliminate a lot of bacteria,

> and fill small jars to the top with juice, allowing as little oxygen in

> the jar as possible.)

>

> And this is the perfect juicing solution for people who have a job where

> it is impossible or inconvenient to bring a juicer to work. The best time

> to juice is during the early to middle part of one's daily eating cycle.

> The ability to make extra juice the night before would make it much easier

> for many people to drink juice at work.

>

> Now I have been the happy owner of a Champion Juicer since 1991, and I

> juice most every day. I still think the Champion is a fine juicer. But for

> those who can afford the extra cost, I would suggest the Green Power as an

> alternative to consider. I especially recommend the Green Power for anyone

> who would like to be able to store their juice for one or two days.

>

> As with the Champion, the Green Power comes with attachments that allow it

> to be used to make baby foods, nut butters and frozen desserts. The Green

> Power also is capable of juicing wheat grass and comes with attachments

> for making various types of pasta.

>

> As for prices, the Champion retails for $269.00, the Green Power costs

> $595.00, and the Norwalk Press tops out at about $2,000.00. These are the

> only three juicers we recommend at Hallelujah Acres. We specifically do

> not recommend a centrifugal juicer (any juicer with a spinning basket)

> because it only cuts and shreds the food, which does not extract a

> sufficient amount of nutrients into the juice.

>

> The Champion and the Norwalk have been around for decades and have

> introduced many people to the healthful benefits of fresh vegetable and

> fruit juice. The Green Power is the new kid on the block, and it's rapidly

> gaining recognition and respect. The Green Power was the Grand Prize

> Winner of the 9th International Invention/New Products Exposition in

> Pittsburgh, Penn. in May 1993; it was the winner of the Korean President's

> 1st Prize in the 93 Invention Day in May 1993; it won the Silver Medal at

> the International Exhibition of Inventions in Nurinburg, Germany in March

> 1993; and it won Silver Medal at the 20th International Exhibition of

> Inventions in Geneva, Switzerland in May 1993.

>

> The Champion is a very dependable and versatile juicer that has produced

> great results for many people. And the Norwalk Press, developed by Dr.

> Norman and used at the Gerson Clinic, has been available for those

> who could spend up to $2,000 for a juicer. Now there is another choice for

> people willing to pay more for a higher quality juicer. Many of these

> people will find the Green Power to be an attractive option. From my

> experience with all three juicers, I could justify paying more than double

> the cost of a Champion to buy a Green Power. But I couldn't justify

> spending more than three times the cost of a Green Power for a Norwalk.

>

>

> Choosing a Juicer

>

>

> > Hi everybody,

> > I am planning to buy a really good juicer. I have heard

> > many things about veg and fruit juices and I'm pretty

> > sure that it is essential for the patient having the

> > best nutrition possible. But, as everything in the last

> > weeks, I haven't got a clear picture about the best

> > option to buy.

> > I have checked some websites, and the main requirements

> > for the best juicer is: low RPM rating (less than 100),

> > so it can keep the best levels of enzymes and

> > nutrients; also it is important the type of process:

> > centrifugal, masticating and hydraulic press- according

> > to my readings the best is the last one, because the

> > first two creates oxidation (although the first could

> > be avoided if one drinks the juice almost immediately

> > after being prepared, they say).

> > Well, I have checked in a couple of websites the brands

> > Champion, Samson, Omega and Norwalk. The last one

> > seemed to be the best... and the most expensive. From

> > the others I would like to be sure of their pros and

> > cons. As a first impression, I considered the Samson,

> > but only found a single reference about it.

> > Once again, confusion strikes, and I would like to know

> > if any of you have comments or recommendations about

> > the type of juicer I should consider. I will have to

> > buy it online also, because in Peru we don't know any

> > of those brands.

> > Thanks once again for your help,

> > carlos

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mensaje citado por: Melinda Wiman <wiman@...>:

> >

> > > How about Cimetidine?

> > http://www.healing.bc.ca/therapy_cimetidine.shtml

> > >

> > > Cimetidine (Tagamet) is one of the most commonly

> > prescribed drugs in the

> > > wo> rld. Used by millions of people around the world

> > to treat stomach ulcers

> > > an> d related digestive disorders, this prescription

> > drug was found to have

> > > imm> uno-stimulant, anti-tumour and anti-metastatic

> > effects. There have been

> > > occ> asional reports of massive malignant tumours

> > undergoing complete and long

> > > s> ustained remission on cimetidine alone.

> > >

> > > Cimetidine is inexpensive, readily available by

> > prescription and is

> > > usually> very well tolerated. The usual dose is 300

> > mg four times per day with

> > > meal> s and at bedtime.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links

> > there. Unsubscribe by sending email to

> cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting

> http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > >

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 3 years later...

Please consider this free-reprint article written by:

Jane Thurnell-Read

==================

IMPORTANT - Publication/Reprint Terms

- You have permission to publish this article electronically in

free-only publications such as a website or an ezine as long as

the bylines are included.

- You are not allowed to use this article for commercial

purposes. The article should only be reprinted in a publicly

accessible website and not in a members-only commercial site.

- You are not allowed to post/reprint this article in any

sites/publications that contains or supports hate, violence,

porn and warez or any indecent and illegal sites/publications.

- You are not allowed to use this article in UCE (Unsolicited

Commercial Email) or SPAM. This article MUST be distributed in

an opt-in email list only.

- If you distribute this article in an ezine or newsletter, we

ask that you send a copy of the newsletter or ezine that

contains the article to janeread@...

- If you post this article in a website/forum/blog, ALL links

MUST be set to hyperlinks and we ask that you send a copy of

the URL where the article is posted to janeread@...

- We request that you ask permission from the author if you

want to publish this article in print.

The role of iSnare.com is only to distribute this article as

part of its Article Distribution feature (

http://www.isnare.com/distribution.php ). iSnare.com does NOT

own this article, please respect the author's copyright and

this publication/reprint terms. If you do not agree to any of

these terms, please do not reprint or publish this article.

==================

Article Title: Choosing A Juicer

Author: Jane Thurnell-Read

Word Count: 910

Article URL:

http://www.isnare.com/?id=14115 & ca=Wellness%2C+Fitness+and+Diet

Format: 64cpl

Author's Email Address: janeread@...

Easy Publish Tool: http://www.isnare.com/html.php?id=14115

================== ARTICLE START ==================

There are many advantages to eating fruit and vegetables raw.

Water-soluble vitamins (such as vitamin C) are destroyed by

heating, so there will be less vitamin C in a cooked carrot

than in a similar raw carrot.

But for some nutrients, cooking (and juicing) is more

nutritious, because it makes the nutrients more easily

assimilated. Cooking and juicing breaks down tough fibres and

allows the digestive juices to work more effectively on the

vegetable. This is particularly important for someone who is

elderly, ill or who has impaired digestion.

For example, research has shown that we absorb approximately

3-4% of carotenoids from raw carrots and 15-20% from cooked

carrots. Carotenoids are plant pigments that give yellow,

orange and red fruit and vegetables their colour. Carotenoids

are powerful antioxidants, so have a role in helping us fight

old age and cancer.

Juicing fruit and vegetables is an excellent way to combine the

advantages of both raw and cooked. There are a lot of different

juicers out there, so I decided to ask the experts at the

Wholistic Research Company in the UK for more about juicing and

juicers.

What are the benefits of a juicer over just eating fresh fruit

and vegetables?

The use of fresh fruit and vegetable juices in both normal and

therapeutic diets has long been established as a great aid to

natural health, energy and well-being. The high mineral and

nutrient content, combined with the vibrant life-energy of

fresh fruits and vegetables, makes pure, fresh juice a

wonderful part of a healthy person's diet. In no other way can

one consume the nutritional content of, for example, a pound or

two of apples and carrots (in a glass) and then go on to eat a

healthy breakfast.

Fresh juices are an invaluable supplement to any person's diet.

Indeed there are therapies that rely almost entirely on the

power and nutrition available in juices to rid an ailing body

of serious illness, even cancer. The body is stimulated by such

concentrated goodness to throw off negative, pathological

cellular deterioration and regain excellent health.

What are the advantages of a juicer over bought juice?

Making fresh juices from your own juicer provides you with the

same live enzymes that are available in raw fresh fruit and

vegetables. These fresh raw foods give us more energy and

sparkle than cooked, 'dead' foods, and 'dead' juices that have

been sitting in a container on the supermarket shelf for days,

weeks or even months. This energy (from the freshly made juice)

is concentrated, and you feel it as soon as you drink it. It can

clear your head and make you feel light and energetic.

Juicers can vary dramatically in price, so what should you look

for in buying a juicer?

In order to extract juice from fruits and vegetables, it is

necessary first to break down the cell walls and fibres and

then separate out the juice. Ideally, a top quality juicer

should deliver a nutrient-rich juice on the one hand and a dry

pulp of cell walls and fibres, on the other. There are

basically two types of juicers: centrifugal juicers and

masticating juicers.

So what is a centrifugal juicer?

This is an inexpensive juicer and is widely available. It

merely grates fruits and vegetables, leaving strings of

unbroken cells. The juice from the cells that have been broken

is then spun out at very high speed (6,000 to 10,000 rpm).

Because the juice is flung out, it mixes with the air and so

oxidises (turns brown) quickly. The pulp usually remains very

moist, because the process has not extracted all the juice. Not

only is this more wasteful, but the juice is paler, more watery,

lower in nutrient value and often quite insipid in flavour.

That doesn’t sound very appetising. Are masticating juicers any

better?

Masticating juicers provide richer, more flavourful, nutritious

juices. They are altogether more ‘serious’, although more

expensive, but should be considered to be an investment in good

health. They more thoroughly break up fruit or vegetables, and

press out the juice from the resulting pulp inside a nose cone

with a narrow opening.

This is far more efficient than centrifugal action. A good

masticating juicer will extract up to five times more nutrients

than centrifugal juicers.

Masticating juicers - like the popular American champion juicer

- use a rugged cutter, spinning at 1425 rpm. This will juice

whole carrots and quartered apples speedily and with ease.

There are also slower masticating juicers that use a single

auger or twin gears, revolving at 80 to 160 rpm, to more gently

crush smaller pieces of fruit and vegetables. They are

especially useful for juicing tough fibrous greens and

wheatgrass (a powerful healing natural tonic).

You can also juice wheatgrass with a manual masticating juicer.

A good one can be relatively inexpensive to buy, and is similar

to an old fashioned table-mounted mincer that is turned with a

handle. Many masticating juicers will also make smoothies,

purees, nut butters, pasta, baby foods and frozen fruit ice

creams.

The price of a good juicer may seem quite high, but the quality

of the juice produced, and the long life of the juicer, far

outweigh the initial outlay when compared to the cheaper, far

less efficient models on the market.

About The Author: Jane Thurnell-Read writes on health, stress

and alternative medicine - unbiased, well-researched articles.

Visit http://www.healthandgoodness.com because there are more

articles on nutrition, health, happiness, alternative medicine

and more.

================== ARTICLE END ==================

For more free-reprint articles by Jane Thurnell-Read please

visit:

http://www.isnare.com/?s=author & a=Jane+Thurnell-Read

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...