Re: Help for 13year old daughter - delayed puberty

April 29, 2011

Are you sure that delayed puberty is a problem? Two of my three dds did not

reach puberty until they were 15. One did show a fair number of signs by 13.

The other did not.

What is the puberty pattern in your family? Ours did tend to be late blooming,

but my eldest daughter still reached puberty at 12.

Studies show that the fewer periods a woman has in her lifetime, the lower her

risk for some health ailments...which I can't quite recall at the moment...

Regardless of that. I think having your dd on iodine is an excellent idea and

will likely help to make things right (whatever that means for your dd).

Ignore me if I'm out of line.

Jaye

>

> Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for

several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg

of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who

will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I

have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some

recent test results:

>

> Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

>

> Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

>

> A saliva cortisol test results were:

>

> sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

>

> TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

>

> Thyroid antibodies are low.

>

> She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was

satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

>

> She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion

nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been

having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight,

which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she

has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she

found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.

>

> She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult throughout the

day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when she goes

to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe headaches and

photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.

>

> We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found an

irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.

>

> Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

>

> Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I increase

the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

>

> Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

>

April 29, 2011

Well put Jaye, I agree, better to delay puberty to a point, but got

the impression, her emotional stability is the problem. Albeit, at

that age, it is important to maintain with peers. Here in the US, our

beef, hamburgers are full of estrogen, put there by feedlot docks, to

increase cattle growth/fattening. Estrogen being very bioavailable

orally, whereas T is not. Her unusual fears and emotional stability

seems to be more important. I have managed my hormones for ten years,

learned a lot although some of it was slow coming, not at all helped

by our medical community. Hormones and our immune system are the

foundation for emotional stability. david lubbock tx

On 4/29/11, jprocure@... <jprocure@...> wrote:

> Are you sure that delayed puberty is a problem? Two of my three dds did not

> reach puberty until they were 15. One did show a fair number of signs by 13.

> The other did not.

>

> What is the puberty pattern in your family? Ours did tend to be late

> blooming, but my eldest daughter still reached puberty at 12.

>

> Studies show that the fewer periods a woman has in her lifetime, the lower

> her risk for some health ailments...which I can't quite recall at the

> moment...

>

> Regardless of that. I think having your dd on iodine is an excellent idea

> and will likely help to make things right (whatever that means for your dd).

>

> Ignore me if I'm out of line.

>

> Jaye

>

>>

>> Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for

>> several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on

>> 50mg of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my

>> daughter who will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going

>> into puberty. I have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine

>> issues. Here are some recent test results:

>>

>> Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

>>

>> Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

>> Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

>> Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

>> 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

>> 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

>> Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

>> Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

>> DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

>> 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

>> 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

>>

>> A saliva cortisol test results were:

>>

>> sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

>> sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

>> sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

>> sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

>>

>> TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

>> T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

>>

>> Thyroid antibodies are low.

>>

>> She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was

>> satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

>>

>> She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion

>> nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also

>> been having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood

>> overnight, which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She

>> says that she has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her

>> thyroid swelled up and she found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon

>> passed.

>>

>> She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult throughout

>> the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when

>> she goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe

>> headaches and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.

>>

>> We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found an

>> irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.

>>

>> Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

>>

>> Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I

>> increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

>>

>> Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

>>

>

April 29, 2011

I wouldn’t consider it delayed, more like what it used to be. Before we developed xenoextrogen producing products and used hormones to make meats grow faster and started eating lots of soy beans, etc., the normal ages of puberty was later. I would be happy, it is better for your daughter! Donna in IL Are you sure that delayed puberty is a problem? Two of my three dds did not reach puberty until they were 15. One did show a fair number of signs by 13. The other did not.What is the puberty pattern in your family? Ours did tend to be late blooming, but my eldest daughter still reached puberty at 12.Studies show that the fewer periods a woman has in her lifetime, the lower her risk for some health ailments...which I can't quite recall at the moment...Regardless of that. I think having your dd on iodine is an excellent idea and will likely help to make things right (whatever that means for your dd). Ignore me if I'm out of line.Jaye>> Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some recent test results:> > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)> > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **> Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)> Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **> 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)> 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **> Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **> Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)> DHEA 0.1 <=2.8> 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)> 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **> > A saliva cortisol test results were:> > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)> sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)> sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)> sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)> > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)> T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)> > Thyroid antibodies are low.> > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.> > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight, which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.> > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult throughout the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when she goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe headaches and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.> > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found an irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.> > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.> > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?> > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.> > >

April 29, 2011

Thank you Jaye. The delayed puberty may not be so much of an issue - that isn't

so much of a worry. What is a worry is the rest of the symptoms and the hormone

imbalances.

One Dr has described her as looking as though she has Cushing's - as well as the

truncal obesity she also has a buffalo hump.

The headaches are a real concern, especially as they are virtually constant and

seriously affect her life.

The very low cortisol results are also a concern. I don't know what is causing

this, especially as her aldosterone levels are normal.

Does anyone know why the other hormones are so elevated?

If she has a tumour on her pituitary gland for example, do we know if iodine

will help with this - should I incease the iodine as others do for cancers.

Many thanks for your help.

> >

> > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for

several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg

of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who

will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I

have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some

recent test results:

> >

> > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

> >

> > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

> >

> > A saliva cortisol test results were:

> >

> > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

> >

> > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

> >

> > Thyroid antibodies are low.

> >

> > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was

satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

> >

> > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion

nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been

having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight,

which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she

has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she

found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.

> >

> > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult throughout

the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when she

goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe headaches

and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.

> >

> > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found an

irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.

> >

> > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

> >

> > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I

increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

> >

> > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

> >

>

April 29, 2011

Thanks Donna, I think that I might have confused the issue by talking about the

delayed puberty. I am more concerned about the other hormone imbalances.

> >

> > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for

several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg

of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who

will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I

have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some

recent test results:

> >

> > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

> >

> > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

> >

> > A saliva cortisol test results were:

> >

> > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

> >

> > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

> >

> > Thyroid antibodies are low.

> >

> > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was

satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

> >

> > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion

nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been

having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight,

which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she

has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she

found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.

> >

> > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult throughout

the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when she

goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe headaches

and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.

> >

> > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found an

irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.

> >

> > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

> >

> > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I

increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

> >

> > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

> >

>

> ________________________________

>

April 29, 2011

My grandmother did not reach puberty until she was 16. I think now days we expect it sooner because it is happening so much sooner on girls. I would celebrate a later development in my daughter figuring that I had done a good job of keeping outside estrogens and toxins out of her to influence and early puberty. I think 13-15 yrs used to be the normal.

Buist, ND

Re: Help for 13year old daughter - delayed puberty

Are you sure that delayed puberty is a problem? Two of my three dds did not reach puberty until they were 15. One did show a fair number of signs by 13. The other did not.What is the puberty pattern in your family? Ours did tend to be late blooming, but my eldest daughter still reached puberty at 12.Studies show that the fewer periods a woman has in her lifetime, the lower her risk for some health ailments...which I can't quite recall at the moment...Regardless of that. I think having your dd on iodine is an excellent idea and will likely help to make things right (whatever that means for your dd). Ignore me if I'm out of line.Jaye>> Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some recent test results:> > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)> > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **> Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)> Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **> 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)> 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **> Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **> Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)> DHEA 0.1 <=2.8> 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)> 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **> > A saliva cortisol test results were:> > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)> sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)> sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)> sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)> > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)> T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)> > Thyroid antibodies are low.> > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.> > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight, which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.> > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult throughout the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when she goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe headaches and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.> > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found an irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.> > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.> > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?> > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.> > >

April 29, 2011

I would find a BodyTalk practitioner to help the different body parts to

communicate with each other, then go from there. It could change everything.

Joan

>

> Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for

several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg

of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who

will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I

have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some

recent test results:

>

> Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

>

> Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

>

> A saliva cortisol test results were:

>

> sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

>

> TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

>

> Thyroid antibodies are low.

>

> She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was

satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

>

> She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion

nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been

having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight,

which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she

has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she

found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.

>

> She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult throughout the

day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when she goes

to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe headaches and

photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.

>

> We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found an

irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.

>

> Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

>

> Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I increase

the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

>

> Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

>

April 29, 2011

I am one of 3 sisters. One entered puberty at 12, one at 15, & one at 17 -- same family, no apparent health issues to skew the situation, except that I was the fat one & started earliest, which is typical of overweight girls. There is a wide range of normal, & I sure wouldn't be worried at 13. (Many girls are going into precocious puberty these days, but that is not a good thing. It could just be that you have protected her from some of the hormonal influences that cause precocious puberty.)And Jaye is right that most experts seem to agree that the fewer periods a woman has, the lower her risk of hormonally driven cancers -- breast, ovarian, etc. Women used to have more children, & nurse them for long periods of time, which was a protective factor we have lost. (You don't have periods while pregnant, & many women don't while nursing.) It is actually better for her to start later (which is one of the reasons precocious puberty is so worrisome.)The iodine protocol tends to balance hormones for most people, I think, so it is possible that a while on the protocol will be really good for her.What kind of hormone testing did they do? A lot of docs do blood tests, which (according to Jerry Sloane of www.alternative-health-group.org )is very unreliable. He always insists on saliva testing, & has info on his site about balancing hormones with natural hormone replacement.AnneOn Apr 29, 2011, at 6:11 AM, jprocure@... wrote:

Are you sure that delayed puberty is a problem? Two of my three dds did not reach puberty until they were 15. One did show a fair number of signs by 13. The other did not.

What is the puberty pattern in your family? Ours did tend to be late blooming, but my eldest daughter still reached puberty at 12.

Studies show that the fewer periods a woman has in her lifetime, the lower her risk for some health ailments...which I can't quite recall at the moment...

Regardless of that. I think having your dd on iodine is an excellent idea and will likely help to make things right (whatever that means for your dd).

Ignore me if I'm out of line.

Jaye

>

> Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some recent test results:

>

> Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

>

> Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

>

> A saliva cortisol test results were:

>

> sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

>

> TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

>

> Thyroid antibodies are low.

>

> She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

>

> She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight, which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.

>

> She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult throughout the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when she goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe headaches and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.

>

> We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found an irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.

>

> Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

>

> Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

>

> Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

>

April 29, 2011

Thanks ,

I do think that I have confused the issue with mentioning delayed puberty. The

delayed puberty may not be so much of an issue - that isn't so much of a worry.

What is a worry is the rest of the symptoms and the hormone imbalances.

One Dr has described her as looking as though she has Cushing's - as well as the

truncal obesity she also has a buffalo hump.

The headaches are a real concern, especially as they are virtually constant and

seriously affect her life.

The very low cortisol results are also a concern. I don't know what is causing

this, especially as her aldosterone levels are normal.

Does anyone know why the other hormones are so elevated?

If she has a tumour on her pituitary gland for example, do we know if iodine

will help with this - should I incease the iodine as others do for cancers.

Many thanks for your help.

> >

> > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for

several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg

of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who

will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I

have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some

recent test results:

> >

> > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

> >

> > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

> >

> > A saliva cortisol test results were:

> >

> > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

> >

> > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

> >

> > Thyroid antibodies are low.

> >

> > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was

satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

> >

> > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion

nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been

having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight,

which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she

has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she

found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.

> >

> > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult throughout

the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when she

goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe headaches

and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.

> >

> > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found an

irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.

> >

> > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

> >

> > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I

increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

> >

> > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

> >

>

April 29, 2011

Thank you Joan. I will look into this.

> >

> > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for

several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg

of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who

will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I

have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some

recent test results:

> >

> > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

> >

> > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

> >

> > A saliva cortisol test results were:

> >

> > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

> >

> > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

> >

> > Thyroid antibodies are low.

> >

> > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was

satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

> >

> > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion

nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been

having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight,

which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she

has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she

found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.

> >

> > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult throughout

the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when she

goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe headaches

and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.

> >

> > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found an

irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.

> >

> > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

> >

> > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I

increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

> >

> > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

> >

>

April 29, 2011

Dear Anne,

I think that it is unlikely that I have protected her from some of the hormonal

influences that cause precocious puberty - she did unfortunately have soya

infant formula and has had alot of soya since - that was until I learned from

this group how dangerous it is.

I posted the test results - these are private test I have had done - one was a

24hr urinary test, another was a saliva test and the TSH & T3 etc. was a blood

test.

Her cortisol is very low and I don't know why.

She uses natural progesterone cream as it helps the headaches, but the test

suggests that she is high in progesterone, so that is confusing.

I have mentioned that one Dr described her as looking as though she has

Cushing's. but her cortisol levels are very low rather than high.

I just wish I knew what was going on.

Thanks,

> > >

> > > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for

several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg

of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who

will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I

have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some

recent test results:

> > >

> > > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

> > >

> > > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> > > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> > > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> > > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> > > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> > > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> > > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> > > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> > > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> > > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

> > >

> > > A saliva cortisol test results were:

> > >

> > > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> > > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> > > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> > > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

> > >

> > > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> > > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

> > >

> > > Thyroid antibodies are low.

> > >

> > > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was

satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

> > >

> > > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion

nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been

having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight,

which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she

has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she

found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.

> > >

> > > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult throughout

the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when she

goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe headaches

and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.

> > >

> > > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found an

irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.

> > >

> > > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

> > >

> > > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I

increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

> > >

> > > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

> > >

> >

>

April 29, 2011

Hi ,How much and what kind of magnesium is your daughter taking? Headaches, the fear, progesterone helping can all be signs of magnesium deficiency. Your body uses magnesium to make progesterone, so getting her levels built up may help. It is an easy thing to try, and you can take a lot – 800mg or more to help get the levels up.You need a good quality – mag chloride is what your body converts all form to, but mag malate, mag citrate, mag taurate are also good forms. Mag oxide is a horrible form. Stay away from it, your body utilizes very little of it. Or you can use transdermally magnesium oil, which is mag chloride also. Also, it would really help to have Free T3 and Free T4 levels. Just T3 doesn’t really give you any useful information. Most people feel better in the upper third of the Free T levels. Do you get good fats in your diet? Sometimes that helps with difficult behavior – EFA’s, coconut oil, olive oil, butter. How about liver support? Or a liver cleanse? That could help get build up toxins out of her body and help her feel better. Does she take the recommended daily salt? And have you tried salt loading when she gets a headache? Sorry, lots of questions, but want to help. I know how frustrating it is to have a child that doesn’t feel good and you can’t figure out what is wrong. Keep on, everything you do will help. I was searching for your original comments about the hump, there have been discussions in the past about that, and you might be able to find answers in the archives on that. Donna in IL Dear Anne,I think that it is unlikely that I have protected her from some of the hormonal influences that cause precocious puberty - she did unfortunately have soya infant formula and has had alot of soya since - that was until I learned from this group how dangerous it is.I posted the test results - these are private test I have had done - one was a 24hr urinary test, another was a saliva test and the TSH & T3 etc. was a blood test.Her cortisol is very low and I don't know why.She uses natural progesterone cream as it helps the headaches, but the test suggests that she is high in progesterone, so that is confusing.I have mentioned that one Dr described her as looking as though she has Cushing's. but her cortisol levels are very low rather than high.I just wish I knew what was going on.Thanks,> > >> > > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some recent test results:> > > > > > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)> > > > > > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **> > > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)> > > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **> > > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)> > > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **> > > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **> > > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)> > > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8> > > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)> > > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **> > > > > > A saliva cortisol test results were:> > > > > > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)> > > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)> > > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)> > > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)> > > > > > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)> > > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)> > > > > > Thyroid antibodies are low.> > > > > > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.> > > > > > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight, which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.> > > > > > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult throughout the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when she goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe headaches and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.> > > > > > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found an irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.> > > > > > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.> > > > > > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?> > > > > > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.> > > > > > > > >> > > >>

April 29, 2011

That is why I mentioned the saliva tests (for sex hormones) -- if the progesterone tests high in blood, that might not be meaningful. You wouldn't expect to feel better on progesterone if you are already too high. So maybe the sex hormone values are skewed by the form of testing. But if the sex hormones were tested in saliva... (And other sex hormones are high, too.) As you say, it is confusing to respond well to something that you are already over range on.AnneOn Apr 29, 2011, at 2:12 PM, m.kidson60@... wrote:

Dear Anne,

I think that it is unlikely that I have protected her from some of the hormonal influences that cause precocious puberty - she did unfortunately have soya infant formula and has had alot of soya since - that was until I learned from this group how dangerous it is.

I posted the test results - these are private test I have had done - one was a 24hr urinary test, another was a saliva test and the TSH & T3 etc. was a blood test.

Her cortisol is very low and I don't know why.

She uses natural progesterone cream as it helps the headaches, but the test suggests that she is high in progesterone, so that is confusing.

I have mentioned that one Dr described her as looking as though she has Cushing's. but her cortisol levels are very low rather than high.

I just wish I knew what was going on.

Thanks,

> > >

> > > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some recent test results:

> > >

> > > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

> > >

> > > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> > > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> > > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> > > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> > > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> > > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> > > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> > > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> > > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> > > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

> > >

> > > A saliva cortisol test results were:

> > >

> > > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> > > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> > > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> > > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

> > >

> > > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> > > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

> > >

> > > Thyroid antibodies are low.

> > >

> > > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

> > >

> > > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight, which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.

> > >

> > > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult throughout the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when she goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe headaches and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.

> > >

> > > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found an irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.

> > >

> > > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

> > >

> > > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

> > >

> > > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

> > >

> >

>

April 29, 2011

,

This is certainly an understandable desire on your part. However,

it may be that you don't really need to know anything beyond what

you already know: the tests show some out-of-range levels and your

young daughter is suffering from a few emotional problems as well as

physical symptoms. Clearly she's not doing very well right now.

We always want to know what caused a given problem, and what the

name of that problem is -- mostly because we believe that will help

us find exactly the right solution. And sometimes it does help to

have a name, and there are specific remedies that can make a

difference. Mostly, though, the body heals itself when the

"terrain" is right. That is, by doing everything we can to promote

health in general (such as using iodine) we establish a "terrain"

that brings everything into balance for optimum health.

You sound like a intelligent and conscientous mother, already

knowledgable in certain areas and open to new ideas. As you

continue researching and learning, keep in mind the idea of a

systemic approach. It could make your journey easier and more

rewarding.

On 4/29/2011 2:12 PM, m.kidson60@... wrote:

Dear Anne,

I think that it is unlikely that I have protected her from

some of the hormonal influences that cause precocious

puberty - she did unfortunately have soya infant formula

and has had alot of soya since - that was until I learned

from this group how dangerous it is.

I posted the test results - these are private test I have

had done - one was a 24hr urinary test, another was a

saliva test and the TSH & T3 etc. was a blood test.

Her cortisol is very low and I don't know why.

She uses natural progesterone cream as it helps the

headaches, but the test suggests that she is high in

progesterone, so that is confusing.

I have mentioned that one Dr described her as looking as

though she has Cushing's. but her cortisol levels are very

low rather than high.

I just wish I knew what was going on.

Thanks,

> > >

> > > Dear All, this is my first post here,

although I have been a member for several months reading

all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg of

iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting

about my daughter who will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is

showing very few signs of going into puberty. I have been

trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here

are some recent test results:

> > >

> > > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

> > >

> > > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> > > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> > > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> > > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> > > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> > > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> > > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> > > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> > > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> > > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

> > >

> > > A saliva cortisol test results were:

> > >

> > > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> > > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> > > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> > > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

> > >

> > > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> > > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

> > >

> > > Thyroid antibodies are low.

> > >

> > > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I

have been told that it was satisfactory - I have asked for

the actual results.

> > >

> > > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day

together with all of the companion nutrients, 1 grain of

Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been

having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved

her mood overnight, which is a surprise given that she is

high in progesterone. She says that she has more energy

when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up

and she found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon

passed.

> > >

> > > She feels absolutely awful and her

behaviour is very difficult throughout the day and she

finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when

she goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also

experiences severe headaches and photosensitivity, which

the HC cream seems to reduce.

> > >

> > > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end

of May as out optician found an irregularity with her left

optic nerve - possible papillodema.

> > >

> > > Other than that the drs tell me there is

nothing wrong.

> > >

> > > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can

do to help her - should I increase the iodine or leave it

at 50mg?

> > >

> > > Many thanks for reading this and for any

help.

> > >

> >

>

April 29, 2011

Ok, I missed the other concerns. Have you checked her thyroid levels? TSH, Free T3 and Free T4 are the most important. Low thyroid messes up the adrenals. How did you test adrenal status? Are you doing anything to address the adrenals? Low cortisol will result in low sex hormones too. I know there is a link to sodium and aldosterone but it escapes me at the moment. Dr. Brownstein addresses it in his Salt Your Way to Health Book. I can look it up later. Right now I am working on supper for the family. Let me know if you want me to look into it.

Buist, ND

Re: Help for 13year old daughter - delayed puberty

Thanks ,I do think that I have confused the issue with mentioning delayed puberty. The delayed puberty may not be so much of an issue - that isn't so much of a worry. What is a worry is the rest of the symptoms and the hormone imbalances.One Dr has described her as looking as though she has Cushing's - as well as the truncal obesity she also has a buffalo hump.The headaches are a real concern, especially as they are virtually constant and seriously affect her life.The very low cortisol results are also a concern. I don't know what is causing this, especially as her aldosterone levels are normal.Does anyone know why the other hormones are so elevated?If she has a tumour on her pituitary gland for example, do we know if iodine will help with this - should I incease the iodine as others do for cancers.Many thanks for your help.> >> > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some recent test results:> > > > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)> > > > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **> > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)> > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **> > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)> > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **> > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **> > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)> > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8> > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)> > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **> > > > A saliva cortisol test results were:> > > > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)> > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)> > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)> > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)> > > > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)> > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)> > > > Thyroid antibodies are low.> > > > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.> > > > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight, which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.> > > > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult throughout the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when she goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe headaches and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.> > > > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found an irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.> > > > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.> > > > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?> > > > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.> > > > > >>

April 29, 2011

Sorry - just saw the test results below. I will look at them later tonight.

Buist, ND

Re: Help for 13year old daughter - delayed puberty

Dear Anne,I think that it is unlikely that I have protected her from some of the hormonal influences that cause precocious puberty - she did unfortunately have soya infant formula and has had alot of soya since - that was until I learned from this group how dangerous it is.I posted the test results - these are private test I have had done - one was a 24hr urinary test, another was a saliva test and the TSH & T3 etc. was a blood test.Her cortisol is very low and I don't know why.She uses natural progesterone cream as it helps the headaches, but the test suggests that she is high in progesterone, so that is confusing.I have mentioned that one Dr described her as looking as though she has Cushing's. but her cortisol levels are very low rather than high.I just wish I knew what was going on.Thanks,> > >> > > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some recent test results:> > > > > > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)> > > > > > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **> > > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)> > > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **> > > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)> > > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **> > > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **> > > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)> > > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8> > > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)> > > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **> > > > > > A saliva cortisol test results were:> > > > > > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)> > > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)> > > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)> > > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)> > > > > > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)> > > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)> > > > > > Thyroid antibodies are low.> > > > > > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.> > > > > > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight, which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.> > > > > > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult throughout the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when she goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe headaches and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.> > > > > > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found an irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.> > > > > > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.> > > > > > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?> > > > > > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.> > > > > > > > >> > > >>

April 29, 2011

Hi Donna,

Thank you so much for your reply.

She is having 360mg of magnesium as magnesium glycinate capsules. I have a cream

which is MagSulfate and doesn't cause skin irritation like the mag chloride oil

- I have this as well, but, at the moment she refuses it because of the skin

irritation. We also do Epsom Salts baths. I did not realise thst fear was a sign

of magnesium deficiency, or that the body uses magnesium to make progesterone.

So I will definitely increase her magnesium intake. I will re-try the oil, if I

can persuade her that the skin irritation shows that she needs the magnesium and

that it will go eventually she might take it.

We did do free T4 that was in the upper third of the range. I intend to increase

her Nature-Throid, but,I will do it slowly.

She eats lots of good fats - and lots of salt. She says that she feesl better

when she has more sea salt.

I have never done any salt loading - I have been wary of doing this with a

child. She was on milk thistle for a long time, but, not at the moment. She used

to get very itchy skin and burning wee from de-tox - this was before iodine. She

doesn't get these now - the iodine protocol seems to have sorted this.

I will have a look through the archives about the hump.

Thankyou again Donna - it is a real nightmare at the moment as her behaviour is

so off the wall. For a few hours after the Short Synacthen Test, she was a

different child - almost back to normal!

You have given me lots to think about.

> > > >

> > > > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for

several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg

of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who

will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I

have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some

recent test results:

> > > >

> > > > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

> > > >

> > > > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> > > > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> > > > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> > > > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> > > > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> > > > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> > > > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> > > > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> > > > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> > > > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

> > > >

> > > > A saliva cortisol test results were:

> > > >

> > > > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> > > > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> > > > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> > > > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

> > > >

> > > > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> > > > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

> > > >

> > > > Thyroid antibodies are low.

> > > >

> > > > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was

satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

> > > >

> > > > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion

nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been

having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight,

which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she

has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she

found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.

> > > >

> > > > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult

throughout the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night

when she goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe

headaches and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.

> > > >

> > > > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found

an irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.

> > > >

> > > > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I

increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> ________________________________

>

April 29, 2011

Thanks Anne - I see your point. The sex hormones were tested via a 24hr urinary

test. I will look at a saliva test.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member

for several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on

50mg of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter

who will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty.

I have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some

recent test results:

> > > > >

> > > > > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

> > > > >

> > > > > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> > > > > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> > > > > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> > > > > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> > > > > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> > > > > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> > > > > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> > > > > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> > > > > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> > > > > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

> > > > >

> > > > > A saliva cortisol test results were:

> > > > >

> > > > > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> > > > > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> > > > > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> > > > > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

> > > > >

> > > > > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> > > > > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

> > > > >

> > > > > Thyroid antibodies are low.

> > > > >

> > > > > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was

satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

> > > > >

> > > > > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion

nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been

having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight,

which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she

has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she

found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.

> > > > >

> > > > > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult

throughout the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night

when she goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe

headaches and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.

> > > > >

> > > > > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician

found an irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.

> > > > >

> > > > > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I

increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 29, 2011

,

Thank you so much for your lovely, kind message.

More than anything, I would like to put in place the right

interventions/nutrients etc. to enable my daughter's body to heal naturally.

The iodine is one of the major factors here. I am probably rather too impatient

for the healing to take place!

I will indeed keep your advice uppermost in my mind.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a

> > member for several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I

> > personallly am on 50mg of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I

> > am posting about my daughter who will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing

> > very few signs of going into puberty. I have been trying to get to the

> > bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some recent test results:

> > > > >

> > > > > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

> > > > >

> > > > > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> > > > > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> > > > > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> > > > > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> > > > > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> > > > > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> > > > > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> > > > > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> > > > > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> > > > > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

> > > > >

> > > > > A saliva cortisol test results were:

> > > > >

> > > > > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> > > > > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> > > > > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> > > > > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

> > > > >

> > > > > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> > > > > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

> > > > >

> > > > > Thyroid antibodies are low.

> > > > >

> > > > > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it

> > was satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

> > > > >

> > > > > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the

> > companion nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a

> > day, she has also been having natural progesterone cream which vastly

> > improved her mood overnight, which is a surprise given that she is

> > high in progesterone. She says that she has more energy when taking

> > the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she found it

> > difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.

> > > > >

> > > > > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult

> > throughout the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh

> > morning, at night when she goes to bed she is always very frightened.

> > She also experiences severe headaches and photosensitivity, which the

> > HC cream seems to reduce.

> > > > >

> > > > > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out

> > optician found an irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible

> > papillodema.

> > > > >

> > > > > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her -

> > should I increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 29, 2011

,

If you do have time, I would be most grateful if you could look into this.

My daughter's TSH when originally tested was 1.92 (0.25-5.0) and free T4 was

16.3 (12-25)

A second test about month later (she was on iodine during this time)

TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

Free T4 17.7 (12.0-22.0)

Free T3 6.7 (3.5-7.7)

Adrenal status was tested first with 24 hr saliva test (samples taken at 4 times

during the day, by a 24hr urinary sample and the hospital did a Short Synacthen

Test, which they say was satisfactory. For a few hours after the SST test, my

daughter felt wonderful, had loads of energy and didn't feel tired.

I am giving a 1cm of 1%hydrocortisone cream in the morning and half this in the

evening. She has sea salt and vitamin C. Her ferritin level is not ideal at

55(14-180), so she has an iron supplement.

It is nearly midnight here in the UK so I am off to bed now. Hope that you have

enough information here for the moment.

Thank you.

> > >

> > > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for

several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg

of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who

will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I

have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some

recent test results:

> > >

> > > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

> > >

> > > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> > > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> > > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> > > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> > > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> > > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> > > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> > > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> > > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> > > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

> > >

> > > A saliva cortisol test results were:

> > >

> > > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> > > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> > > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> > > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

> > >

> > > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> > > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

> > >

> > > Thyroid antibodies are low.

> > >

> > > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was

satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

> > >

> > > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion

nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been

having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight,

which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she

has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she

found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.

> > >

> > > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult

throughout the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night

when she goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe

headaches and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.

> > >

> > > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found

an irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.

> > >

> > > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

> > >

> > > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I

increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

> > >

> > > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

> > >

> >

>

April 29, 2011

One can have

Cushing’s and also have low cortisol. It’s called Cyclic Cushing’s and will usually

need many tests to confirm along with a knowledgeable and patient practitioner.

http://books.google.com/books?id=5_ulQAM9OZYC & pg=PA286 & lpg=PA286 & dq=Cyclical+Cushing%E2%80%99s%2Blow+cortisol+level & source=bl & ots=TGDH9XZa1L & sig=UUaMNeOto0xNVQ5yklSVRogD-NE & hl=en & ei=5ES7TbubLcy1twfyt6zMBQ & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=6 & ved=0CFYQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage & q & f=false

and http://www.eje.org/cgi/content/full/157/3/245

From the

last link above: Disorders

such as glucose intolerance, mood disturbances, acne, hirsutism and

amenorrhoea are present in a substantial proportion of patients.

Mood disturbances may include severe depression, psychosis,

neurosis, irritability, emotional lability or memory disturbances

which often dominate the clinical picture. In case of mood

disturbances, it has to be determined whether hypercortisolism is

the cause (true cycling CS) or consequence (i.e. pseudo-CS; see

further).

Serum and/or urine testing for sex hormones, in my opinion, does not usually

give results that matches symptoms. I know there is a lot of disagreement

among healthcare professionals but I almost never see sex hormone serum testing

that matches symptoms. Urine testing may be a bit more accurate, but not

much.

High levels of estridiol, testosterone and progesterone may indicate may indicate exogenous hormones or an

endocrine pathology. Also high progesterone levels can indicate one is

absorbing an outside progesterone dose very well or that the dose is too high.

In this case the ratio of estrogen to progesterone would be useful. Hyperestrogenism

may be due to a number of endocrine related pathologies. These include

endogenous obesity, diabetes, Stein-Leventhal and adenomatous hyperplasia. In

these situations the hormonal pattern is reflecting the pathology and once the

pathology is corrected the hormones will usually become normal.

If it were my daughter, I would have her sex hormones saliva tested to see if

they confirm the urine testing and also get the recommended thyroid serum

testing. I would also try my best to find a healthcare professional that

is willing to test extensively for Cyclic Cushing’s (if for no other

reason than to rule it out).

Be Well

Dr.L

Re: Help for 13year old daughter - delayed puberty

Thanks ,

I do think that I have confused the issue with mentioning

delayed puberty. The delayed puberty may not be so much of an issue - that

isn't so much of a worry. What is a worry is the rest of the symptoms and the

hormone imbalances.

One Dr has described her as looking as though she has

Cushing's - as well as the truncal obesity she also has a buffalo hump.

The headaches are a real concern, especially as they are

virtually constant and seriously affect her life.

The very low cortisol results are also a concern. I don't

know what is causing this, especially as her aldosterone levels are normal.

Does anyone know why the other hormones are so elevated?

If she has a tumour on her pituitary gland for example,

do we know if iodine will help with this - should I incease the iodine as

others do for cancers.

Many thanks for your help.

>

> >

> > Dear All, this is my first post

here, although I have been a member for several months reading all the posts. I

am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg of iodine with all the companion

nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is

showing very few signs of going into puberty. I have been trying to get to the

bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some recent test results:

> >

> > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

> >

> > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7

(9.9-30.6) **

> >

> > A saliva cortisol test results

were:

> >

> > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

> >

> > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

> >

> > Thyroid antibodies are low.

> >

> > She has had a Short Synacthen Test

and I have been told that it was satisfactory - I have asked for the actual

results.

> >

> > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day

together with all of the companion nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC

cream twice a day, she has also been having natural progesterone cream which

vastly improved her mood overnight, which is a surprise given that she is high

in progesterone. She says that she has more energy when taking the iodine - at

first her thyroid swelled up and she found it difficult to swallow, but, that

soon passed.

> >

> > She feels absolutely awful and her

behaviour is very difficult throughout the day and she finds it very hard to

get up in teh morning, at night when she goes to bed she is always very

frightened. She also experiences severe headaches and photosensitivity, which

the HC cream seems to reduce.

> >

> > We are seeing an opthalmologist at

the end of May as out optician found an irregularity with her left optic nerve

- possible papillodema.

> >

> > Other than that the drs tell me

there is nothing wrong.

> >

> > Has anyone any advice as to what

else I can do to help her - should I increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

> >

> > Many thanks for reading this and

for any help.

> >

>

April 30, 2011

About the skin irritation with mag oil topical use: It's more an itching

sensation or slight burning, and it fades rapidly. It's not like it causes

a rash or anything. I used to get the itch/burn sensation that indicates

my skin is trying to suck it in deeply, but now I can use it and don't get

the sensation.

So please yes let her know it definitely goes away if you keep using

it. Also, I take baths with epsom salts in them, and I think the soaking,

which is increasing my mag levels in general, helped hasten the fading of

the sensation with the mag oil, lending credence to the idea that once mag

levels start to rise the sensations fade.

You're getting very good advice here, best wishes to you and your daughter.

--

>Hi Donna,

>

>Thank you so much for your reply.

>

>She is having 360mg of magnesium as magnesium glycinate capsules. I have a

>cream which is MagSulfate and doesn't cause skin irritation like the mag

>chloride oil - I have this as well, but, at the moment she refuses it

>because of the skin irritation. We also do Epsom Salts baths. I did not

>realise thst fear was a sign of magnesium deficiency, or that the body

>uses magnesium to make progesterone. So I will definitely increase her

>magnesium intake. I will re-try the oil, if I can persuade her that the

>skin irritation shows that she needs the magnesium and that it will go

>eventually she might take it.

>

>We did do free T4 that was in the upper third of the range. I intend to

>increase her Nature-Throid, but,I will do it slowly.

>

>She eats lots of good fats - and lots of salt. She says that she feesl

>better when she has more sea salt.

>

>I have never done any salt loading - I have been wary of doing this with a

>child. She was on milk thistle for a long time, but, not at the moment.

>She used to get very itchy skin and burning wee from de-tox - this was

>before iodine. She doesn't get these now - the iodine protocol seems to

>have sorted this.

>

>I will have a look through the archives about the hump.

>

>Thankyou again Donna - it is a real nightmare at the moment as her

>behaviour is so off the wall. For a few hours after the Short Synacthen

>Test, she was a different child - almost back to normal!

>

>You have given me lots to think about.

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a

> member for several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I

> personallly am on 50mg of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am

> posting about my daughter who will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very

> few signs of going into puberty. I have been trying to get to the bottom

> of her endocrine issues. Here are some recent test results:

> > > > >

> > > > > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

> > > > >

> > > > > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> > > > > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> > > > > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> > > > > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> > > > > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> > > > > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> > > > > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> > > > > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> > > > > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> > > > > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

> > > > >

> > > > > A saliva cortisol test results were:

> > > > >

> > > > > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> > > > > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> > > > > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> > > > > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

> > > > >

> > > > > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> > > > > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

> > > > >

> > > > > Thyroid antibodies are low.

> > > > >

> > > > > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it

> was satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

> > > > >

> > > > > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the

> companion nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day,

> she has also been having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved

> her mood overnight, which is a surprise given that she is high in

> progesterone. She says that she has more energy when taking the iodine -

> at first her thyroid swelled up and she found it difficult to swallow,

> but, that soon passed.

> > > > >

> > > > > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult

> throughout the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning,

> at night when she goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also

> experiences severe headaches and photosensitivity, which the HC cream

> seems to reduce.

> > > > >

> > > > > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician

> found an irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.

> > > > >

> > > > > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her -

> should I increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

April 30, 2011

Since your child has had high amounts of soy most of her life I would be concerned about the estrogen levels being high. Was she taking the progesterone when this test was done? If yes then I would suspect that is why it is high. You should find a natural medicine doctor that can help you balance her hormones.

The mood issues, anxiety, sleep disorders scream hormone imbalance, adrenal, and thyroid imbalances. There are many doctors that have written about this - , Rind, Starr. There is a natural thyroid group for Europe that may be able to help you find a doctor to help you. My friend who runs the Natural Thyroid Hormone group started it to help those outside the US.

If this were my daughter I would work hard to get her help as puberty is a critical time for proper development for adulthood.

Buist, ND

> > > > >> > > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member for several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am on 50mg of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my daughter who will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going into puberty. I have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine issues. Here are some recent test results:> > > > > > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)> > > > > > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **> > > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)> > > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **> > > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)> > > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **> > > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **> > > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)> > > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8> > > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)> > > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **> > > > > > A saliva cortisol test results were:> > > > > > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)> > > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)> > > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)> > > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)> > > > > > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)> > > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)> > > > > > Thyroid antibodies are low.> > > > > > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.> > > > > > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also been having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood overnight, which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She says that she has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid swelled up and she found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.> > > > > > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult throughout the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at night when she goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also experiences severe headaches and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems to reduce.> > > > > > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician found an irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.> > > > > > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.> > > > > > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?> > > > > > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.> > > > > > > > >> > > >>

April 30, 2011

Dear Loretta,

Thank you very much for this. I had not heard of this before. It does sounds

very complicated, but, I will mention this to the Dr who is helping me.

I can easily do the saliva testing and take things from there.

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a member

> for several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I personallly am

> on 50mg of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am posting about my

> daughter who will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very few signs of going

> into puberty. I have been trying to get to the bottom of her endocrine

> issues. Here are some recent test results:

>

> > >

>

> > > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

>

> > >

>

> > > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

>

> > > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

>

> > > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

>

> > > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

>

> > > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

>

> > > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

>

> > > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

>

> > > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

>

> > > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

>

> > > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

>

> > >

>

> > > A saliva cortisol test results were:

>

> > >

>

> > > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

>

> > > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

>

> > > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

>

> > > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

>

> > >

>

> > > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

>

> > > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

>

> > >

>

> > > Thyroid antibodies are low.

>

> > >

>

> > > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it was

> satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

>

> > >

>

> > > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the companion

> nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day, she has also

> been having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved her mood

> overnight, which is a surprise given that she is high in progesterone. She

> says that she has more energy when taking the iodine - at first her thyroid

> swelled up and she found it difficult to swallow, but, that soon passed.

>

> > >

>

> > > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult

> throughout the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning, at

> night when she goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also

> experiences severe headaches and photosensitivity, which the HC cream seems

> to reduce.

>

> > >

>

> > > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician

> found an irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.

>

> > >

>

> > > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

>

> > >

>

> > > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her - should I

> increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

>

> > >

>

> > > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

April 30, 2011

Thank you .

When I first gave her the mag oil, the sensation was just too much for her to

cope with. It will be worth trying again, now that her magnesium levels should

be higher. It is good to hear that you are not getting the sensation now - I can

use this to help persuade her to have another go!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All, this is my first post here, although I have been a

> > member for several months reading all the posts. I am in the UK. I

> > personallly am on 50mg of iodine with all the companion nutrients. I am

> > posting about my daughter who will be 13 in 4 weeks. She is showing very

> > few signs of going into puberty. I have been trying to get to the bottom

> > of her endocrine issues. Here are some recent test results:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Endocrinology profile (24hr Urine)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cortisol 49 (58-248) **

> > > > > > Aldosterone 38.3 (16.6-69.3)

> > > > > > Testosterone 5.4 (0.2-0.4) **

> > > > > > 16-OH Estrone 3.8 (1.7-5.8)

> > > > > > 17-OH Progesterone 3.0 (0.7-1.4) **

> > > > > > Estriol 46.7 (1.1-9.7) **

> > > > > > Oestradiol 16.5 (8.8-237.5)

> > > > > > DHEA 0.1 <=2.8

> > > > > > 17-OH Steroid 14.1 (10.2-23.6)

> > > > > > 17-keto Steroid total 7.7 (9.9-30.6) **

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A saliva cortisol test results were:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sample 1 6.9 (12-22)

> > > > > > sample 2 0.9 (5.0-9.0)

> > > > > > sample 3 0.1 (3.0-7.0)

> > > > > > sample 4 0.1 (1.0-3.0)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > TSH was 2.28 (0.27-4.2)

> > > > > > T3 (6.7 (3.5-7.7)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thyroid antibodies are low.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > She has had a Short Synacthen Test and I have been told that it

> > was satisfactory - I have asked for the actual results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > She is taking 50mg of Iodoral a day together with all of the

> > companion nutrients, 1 grain of Nature-throid and HC cream twice a day,

> > she has also been having natural progesterone cream which vastly improved

> > her mood overnight, which is a surprise given that she is high in

> > progesterone. She says that she has more energy when taking the iodine -

> > at first her thyroid swelled up and she found it difficult to swallow,

> > but, that soon passed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > She feels absolutely awful and her behaviour is very difficult

> > throughout the day and she finds it very hard to get up in teh morning,

> > at night when she goes to bed she is always very frightened. She also

> > experiences severe headaches and photosensitivity, which the HC cream

> > seems to reduce.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We are seeing an opthalmologist at the end of May as out optician

> > found an irregularity with her left optic nerve - possible papillodema.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Other than that the drs tell me there is nothing wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Has anyone any advice as to what else I can do to help her -

> > should I increase the iodine or leave it at 50mg?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many thanks for reading this and for any help.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> >group IodineOT/

> >

> >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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