Restless Leg Syndrome

[Guest guest]

My doctor prescribed Quinine for Restless Leg Syndrome for me, and it DID

WORK!

Hugs

in Sonora

Aisha Elderwyn wrote:

"Restless Leg Syndrome (have you

tried Quinine?)" Isnt Restless Leg Syndrome a form of myoclonus?

Did quinine help? Are you on plaquenil? Just curious cause I was on that

for ages and it did nothing for me (I dont have RLS either! LOL - but have

other myoclonic stuff). Thanx Love A.

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Dr. Lily,

All have been known to work. I believe that the f.a. is appropriate for a

genetic type and is given is large doses, I'll check at the office today.

Folic Acid:

Calcium : 1500mg (citrate) daily in divided doses--not with magnesium

Magnesium: 250 to 750mg daily in divided doses--not with calcium

Vit E: 800-1600 iu d-alpha (watch the BP)

Rx: quinine sulfate, and now in some cases, Sinamet(for Parkinson's)

Steve Lumsden

restless leg syndrome

> Listmates:

> I've misplaced helpful suggestions for tx restless leg syndrome -- could

> you pls help me out?? I've had 4 pts in last 2 weeks with s/s.

> Many thanks,

> Lily Roselyn, DC

>

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Dr. Lily,

As I posed this question originally all the advice and personal research

pointed to what Dr. Lumsden suggests. The Folic Acid was recommended for

those with restless legs accompanied by " uncomfortable sensations " and a

history of the condition running in the family. The amount recommended

ranged from 5 to 30 mg per day. If an iron deficiency is present,

particularly in the elderly, recommended dosage was 200 mg ferrous

sulfate, TID for two months. But watch closely for adverse effects. Dr.

Coby Hanes had some great advice as well including avoiding caffeine,

nicotine and alcohol (3 major food groups for some) and checking for

hyper and hypothyroidism.

Holzapfel DC

Albany

On Wed, 8 May 2002 06:57:19 -0700 " lumsden " <lumsden@...> writes:

> Dr. Lily,

>

> All have been known to work. I believe that the f.a. is appropriate

> for a

> genetic type and is given is large doses, I'll check at the office

> today.

>

> Folic Acid:

> Calcium : 1500mg (citrate) daily in divided doses--not with

> magnesium

> Magnesium: 250 to 750mg daily in divided doses--not with calcium

> Vit E: 800-1600 iu d-alpha (watch the BP)

> Rx: quinine sulfate, and now in some cases, Sinamet(for

> Parkinson's)

>

> Steve Lumsden

>

>

>

> restless leg syndrome

>

>

> > Listmates:

> > I've misplaced helpful suggestions for tx restless leg syndrome --

> could

> > you pls help me out?? I've had 4 pts in last 2 weeks with s/s.

> > Many thanks,

> > Lily Roselyn, DC

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for this. Let me suggest a possible way of understanding the data

the mappers discovered:

If there is slowing in the Delta/Theta bands and

Increase in high alpha (10-12 Hz)

I suggest that it is possible (especially in a Tone client, as many

depressive clients would be) that the whole EEG may be slowing. That would

cause SMR (12-15 Hz) to slow as well, dropping it into the next lower

category, which would be High Alpha.

It would still make sense to me that training up SMR (and/or training to

increase alpha peak frequency) while decreasing 2-6 Hz activity could help

with all of these problems.

Pete

VanDeusen

Practical Brain Training.

305/251-0337

pvdadp@...

restless leg syndrome

-

See the reference below. The study reports that " EEG mapping revealed

neurophysiological correlates of depression in RLS, which was confirmed by

self-ratings " suggesting that you might look for depression markers in

your restless leg syndrome client.

Quoting from the full study " the most pronounced differences (between RLS

patients and controls) were seen in the variables found to be correlated

with the Hamilton depression score. " The following variables predicted

higher depression scores in the RLS patients: frontal alpha asymmetry,

less relative power in the slow alpha-1 band, more relative power in the

fast alpha-2 band, faster alpha peak frequency, and slowing of the

delta/theta peak frequency (reflecting a deterioration of vigilance)..

Additional findings reported in the RLS patients included reduced alpha-1

power occipitally, and increased fast beta at P3. Delta power was also

increased at T5.

Good luck. I'd love to hear back from you whether you note any of these

patterns in your patient

Riss, Psy.D.

Neuropsychology Service

Madonna Rehabilitation Hospital

rriss@...

Psychiatry Res. 2002 Aug 20;115(1-2):49-61.

EEG mapping in patients with restless legs syndrome as compared with normal

controls.

Saletu M, Anderer P, Saletu B, Lindeck-Pozza L, Hauer C, Saletu-Zyhlarz G.

Section of Sleep Research and Pharmacopsychiatry, Department of Psychiatry,

University of Vienna and Sleep Laboratory Rudolfinerhaus, Vienna, Austria.

michi.saletu@...

Restless legs syndrome (RLS) is a sensorimotor movement and sleep disorder

with a high prevalence. While the sleep disturbance due to RLS has been

studied quite well polysomnographically, little is known about the

electrophysiological function during daytime. The aim of the present study

was to investigate the diurnal quantitative EEG and clinical symptomatology

in 33 drug-free RLS patients as compared with age- and sex-matched normal

controls. Investigations comprised brain mapping of the

vigilance-controlled EEG as well as completion of the Zung Self-Rating

Depression Scale, the Zung Self-Rating Anxiety Scale, the Quality of Life

Index, the Pittsburgh Sleep Quality Index and the Epworth Sleepiness Scale

for evaluation of clinical symptomatology. Statistical analysis

demonstrated an increase in absolute delta and absolute and relative

alpha-2 power, a decrease in absolute and relative alpha-1 power, an

acceleration of the dominant frequency and the alpha centroid, and a

slowing of the delta/theta centroid, as well as a non-significant

attenuation in total power. These findings are characteristic of

dissociated vigilance changes described in depression. Indeed, RLS patients

demonstrated significantly higher depression and anxiety scores, lower

quality of life and deteriorated sleep quality. The score of the Epworth

Sleepiness Scale was not elevated, in contrast to the increased daytime

sleepiness observed in other highly prevalent organic sleep disorders (e.g.

sleep apnea). In conclusion, daytime EEG mapping revealed

neurophysiological correlates of depression in RLS, which was confirmed by

self-ratings at the symptomatological level.

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,

Peak frequency readings and ability to train on percents, ratios and

perhaps variance are all on the list I have discussed with Tom. Meanwhile,

BioExplorer (and perhaps Scope MP) have the abililty to do these things on

the Brainmaster now. Larry is also working to set things up so we could do

assessments that would include peak frequency data instead of having to

estimate it as I currently do.

I guess there is still a difference between researchers and people who work

with clients. As valuable as the researchers' findings are in guiding us,

it might, as you suggest, be valuable for them to let their " looking " be

guided by our " doing " as well.

Pete

VanDeusen

Practical Brain Training.

305/251-0337

pvdadp@...

Restless leg syndrome

Pete-

Thanks for your astute input. Your thought that Saletu's finding of

increased power in the 10.5-13 range may reflect slowing of the SMR or low

beta peak frequency into the nominal " high alpha " frequency range is a

definite possibility. Saletu did report a lower centroid of total power as

well as a lower centroid of total beta power for the RLS group, and did not

calculate individual alpha frequency bands for each subject, so we may

indeed be looking at slippage of low beta into the 10.5 to 13 hz band.

I've been struggling with Saletu's RLS/depression link myself because there

are some inconsistencies between the two that he does not account for.

According to the literature, periodic limb movements of sleep are most

common early in the sleep cycle, especially when falling asleep. (By

contrast we tend to think of depression in terms difficulties with sleep

maintenance and early morning awakening). Moreover, others have reported

that antidepressant medications may actually exacerbate periodic limb

movement symptoms in some individuals! Additionally, periodic limb movements

typically improve with dopaminergic medications, which I would associate

with SMR training.

If your hunch is correct, this is just another example of how even highly

skilled researchers can be led astray and risk misinterpreting their data

when they rely on fixed band definitions rather than calculating an

individual alpha frequency band for their subjects from eyes closed

occipital dominant frequency data. Perhaps we should add calculation of

average peak frequency to our wish list for the next major upgrade of the

Brainmaster software!

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Try B6 200mg a day. Usually it is a subluxation. Sometimes it is

claudication so you might check a doppler study to rule that out.

Willard Bertrand

Restless leg syndrome

Does anyone have a good natural treatment for restless leg syndrome.

I have advised to try calcium, magnezium, and even tonic water prior

to going to bed and have not had any report of these being of any

help. Any suggestions would be of great help.

Grice, DC

Albany, OR

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All of that and saturation of the nutrients that improve the nerve's

physiology (I.e. minerals, in the liquid form, of course). Sunny

Restless leg syndrome

>

>

> > Does anyone have a good natural treatment for restless leg syndrome.

> > I have advised to try calcium, magnezium, and even tonic water prior

> > to going to bed and have not had any report of these being of any

> > help. Any suggestions would be of great help.

> >

> > Grice, DC

> > Albany, OR

> >

> >

> >

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I agree with Sunny. Most of the time people take calcium - some hard pill

of a low dose or without magnesium. If I can get the dose up to what they

need- maybe 1500mg or more (with magnesium) the legs settle down. Also

WATER!! They are usually dehydrated. Such a simple treatment. Ann Goldeen

Restless leg syndrome

> >

> >

> > > Does anyone have a good natural treatment for restless leg syndrome.

> > > I have advised to try calcium, magnezium, and even tonic water prior

> > > to going to bed and have not had any report of these being of any

> > > help. Any suggestions would be of great help.

> > >

> > > Grice, DC

> > > Albany, OR

> > >

> > >

> > >

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In a message dated 1/12/04 6:06:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

arnoldgore@... writes:

> Restless Leg Syndrome is due to Calcium in the wrong place or lack of

> calcium.

Arnold,

The information you wrote about is very interesting. I have suffered from

excruiating leg cramps for most of my adult life. If I don't remember to take a

minimum of 4 calcium and 4 magnesium a day, I am awakened by the most painful

cramps in my calfs that you can imagine. Do you suppose that the problem is

similiar to the imbalance that you describe for restless leg syndrome? Let me

know.

Thanks,

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In a message dated 1/12/04 6:06:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

arnoldgore@... writes:

> Restless Leg Syndrome is due to Calcium in the wrong place or lack of

> calcium.

Arnold,

The information you wrote about is very interesting. I have suffered from

excruiating leg cramps for most of my adult life. If I don't remember to take a

minimum of 4 calcium and 4 magnesium a day, I am awakened by the most painful

cramps in my calfs that you can imagine. Do you suppose that the problem is

similiar to the imbalance that you describe for restless leg syndrome? Let me

know.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

I use DMSO in the frontal areas where my legs attach to my body...

this will completely cure the problem for 24-36 hours.

Hanneke wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Found this in my files. Hope it gives at least a bit of a guide as to what

direction one needs to search.

>

> Hanneke~Australia

>

> Vitamin B12 resolves shaky-leg syndrome

>

> Benito-Leon, n and Porta-Etessam, Jesus. Shaky-leg syndrome and vitamin

B12 deficiency. New England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 342, No. 13, 2000, p. 981

(correspondence)

>

>

[Guest guest]

I use DMSO in the frontal areas where my legs attach to my body...

this will completely cure the problem for 24-36 hours.

Hanneke wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Found this in my files. Hope it gives at least a bit of a guide as to what

direction one needs to search.

>

> Hanneke~Australia

>

> Vitamin B12 resolves shaky-leg syndrome

>

> Benito-Leon, n and Porta-Etessam, Jesus. Shaky-leg syndrome and vitamin

B12 deficiency. New England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 342, No. 13, 2000, p. 981

(correspondence)

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/2/04 22:25:15, leslie@... writes:

Has anyone else here suffered with restless leg syndrome?  Several years ago I did some research and basically found that nobody knows much about what causes it or how to treat it.  It stopped when I started on the spiro.  If I miss a dose, though, that's the first thing to come back.  Coincidence or somehow related?  Just curious.

 

Not heard of it with Conn's but tell us exaclty what you mean when you say restless legs.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD, FACP, FACC

Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

Focusing on difficult to control high blood pressure and high cholesterol especially in the African Diaspora

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/2/04 22:25:15, leslie@... writes:

Has anyone else here suffered with restless leg syndrome?  Several years ago I did some research and basically found that nobody knows much about what causes it or how to treat it.  It stopped when I started on the spiro.  If I miss a dose, though, that's the first thing to come back.  Coincidence or somehow related?  Just curious.

 

Not heard of it with Conn's but tell us exaclty what you mean when you say restless legs.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD, FACP, FACC

Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

Focusing on difficult to control high blood pressure and high cholesterol especially in the African Diaspora

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/3/04 23:03:16, leslie@... writes:

It's kind of difficult to describe, but it affects people mostly at night (usually peaks between 10:00 pm and 2:00 am) during periods of inactivity (i.e. lying in bed).  Your legs get this really uncomfortable feeling that is only relieved by moving them.  I would liken it to being tickled or have a bad itch and trying to ignore it, but it is a different sensation.  Kind of like pent up energy in your legs that just needs to get out.  When I had it, I would get up and jog, or stretch, or even run a rolling pin over them.  You could be dead tired but your legs keep you awake because you constantly feel the urge to move them.  There is more information at www.rls.org if anyone else has experienced this.

 

I know what it is but was just interested in your particular problem. Was it worse when your K was low?

How many times did you get up at night to urinate?

You mentioned it has nearly disappeared with sprio which makes me think it must have been a problem related to low K.

How much K do you eat a day normally? You should go to the DASH diet site to read about what a high K diet is and let us know how much you think you eat a day.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD, FACP, FACC

Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

Focusing on difficult to control high blood pressure and high cholesterol especially in the African Diaspora

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/3/04 23:03:16, leslie@... writes:

It's kind of difficult to describe, but it affects people mostly at night (usually peaks between 10:00 pm and 2:00 am) during periods of inactivity (i.e. lying in bed).  Your legs get this really uncomfortable feeling that is only relieved by moving them.  I would liken it to being tickled or have a bad itch and trying to ignore it, but it is a different sensation.  Kind of like pent up energy in your legs that just needs to get out.  When I had it, I would get up and jog, or stretch, or even run a rolling pin over them.  You could be dead tired but your legs keep you awake because you constantly feel the urge to move them.  There is more information at www.rls.org if anyone else has experienced this.

 

I know what it is but was just interested in your particular problem. Was it worse when your K was low?

How many times did you get up at night to urinate?

You mentioned it has nearly disappeared with sprio which makes me think it must have been a problem related to low K.

How much K do you eat a day normally? You should go to the DASH diet site to read about what a high K diet is and let us know how much you think you eat a day.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD, FACP, FACC

Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

Focusing on difficult to control high blood pressure and high cholesterol especially in the African Diaspora

[Guest guest]

It's kind of difficult to describe, but it affects people mostly at night (usually peaks between 10:00 pm and 2:00 am) during periods of inactivity (i.e. lying in bed). Your legs get this really uncomfortable feeling that is only relieved by moving them. I would liken it to being tickled or have a bad itch and trying to ignore it, but it is a different sensation. Kind of like pent up energy in your legs that just needs to get out. When I had it, I would get up and jog, or stretch, or even run a rolling pin over them. You could be dead tired but your legs keep you awake because you constantly feel the urge to move them. There is more information at www.rls.org if anyone else has experienced this.

-----Original Message-----From: lowerbp2@... [mailto:lowerbp2@...]Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:26 PMhyperaldosteronism Subject: Re: restless leg syndromeIn a message dated 4/2/04 22:25:15, leslie@... writes:

Has anyone else here suffered with restless leg syndrome? Several years ago I did some research and basically found that nobody knows much about what causes it or how to treat it. It stopped when I started on the spiro. If I miss a dose, though, that's the first thing to come back. Coincidence or somehow related? Just curious. Not heard of it with Conn's but tell us exaclty what you mean when you say restless legs. May your pressure be low!Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD, FACP, FACCProfessor of Medicine and EpidemiologyBoard Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and HypertensionFocusing on difficult to control high blood pressure and high cholesterol especially in the African Diaspora

[Guest guest]

It's kind of difficult to describe, but it affects people mostly at night (usually peaks between 10:00 pm and 2:00 am) during periods of inactivity (i.e. lying in bed). Your legs get this really uncomfortable feeling that is only relieved by moving them. I would liken it to being tickled or have a bad itch and trying to ignore it, but it is a different sensation. Kind of like pent up energy in your legs that just needs to get out. When I had it, I would get up and jog, or stretch, or even run a rolling pin over them. You could be dead tired but your legs keep you awake because you constantly feel the urge to move them. There is more information at www.rls.org if anyone else has experienced this.

-----Original Message-----From: lowerbp2@... [mailto:lowerbp2@...]Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:26 PMhyperaldosteronism Subject: Re: restless leg syndromeIn a message dated 4/2/04 22:25:15, leslie@... writes:

Has anyone else here suffered with restless leg syndrome? Several years ago I did some research and basically found that nobody knows much about what causes it or how to treat it. It stopped when I started on the spiro. If I miss a dose, though, that's the first thing to come back. Coincidence or somehow related? Just curious. Not heard of it with Conn's but tell us exaclty what you mean when you say restless legs. May your pressure be low!Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD, FACP, FACCProfessor of Medicine and EpidemiologyBoard Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and HypertensionFocusing on difficult to control high blood pressure and high cholesterol especially in the African Diaspora

[Guest guest]

It was probably worse when my K was low, but I don't know what my K was. When I started on Spiro, I took 200 mg a day and also started taking 80 meq's of K at the same time. However, if I miss my dose of K, I don't notice a difference like I do if I miss a dose of Spiro. I'll have to look at the Dash diet site to find out how much K I actually get.

I would get up 3 - 4 times after I fell asleep to urinate. However, it wasn't uncommon for me to lay awake for a few hours because I would go every 20 minutes for an hour and a half to two hours so there was no point in sleeping! I didn't normally have a problem during the day, but I do remember the day I had my adrenal vein sampling - I went at least 7 or 8 times in the first hour or two. They finally used a catheter because I couldn't interrupt the procedure.

Re: restless leg syndrome

In a message dated 4/3/04 23:03:16, leslie@... writes:

It's kind of difficult to describe, but it affects people mostly at night (usually peaks between 10:00 pm and 2:00 am) during periods of inactivity (i.e. lying in bed). Your legs get this really uncomfortable feeling that is only relieved by moving them. I would liken it to being tickled or have a bad itch and trying to ignore it, but it is a different sensation. Kind of like pent up energy in your legs that just needs to get out. When I had it, I would get up and jog, or stretch, or even run a rolling pin over them. You could be dead tired but your legs keep you awake because you constantly feel the urge to move them. There is more information at www.rls.org if anyone else has experienced this. I know what it is but was just interested in your particular problem. Was it worse when your K was low?How many times did you get up at night to urinate?You mentioned it has nearly disappeared with sprio which makes me think it must have been a problem related to low K. How much K do you eat a day normally? You should go to the DASH diet site to read about what a high K diet is and let us know how much you think you eat a day.May your pressure be low!Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD, FACP, FACCProfessor of Medicine and EpidemiologyBoard Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and HypertensionFocusing on difficult to control high blood pressure and high cholesterol especially in the African Diaspora

[Guest guest]

It sounds like you had the poilyuria from low K because with low K you cant concentrate the urine well. During the cath they may have been giving you saline and PA puts IV saline oiut as fast as it goes in.

CE Grim MD

[Guest guest]

Listees,

Here's a condition that little is known about and may be considered

genetic in origin. Exercise is generally recommended for mild cases and

medication for the more severe forms. Does anyone have any ideas or

experience in a more natural approach to the treatment of this condition.

The patient is a white, 48 yr old female, approximately 153 lbs,

generally good health. She has been on thyroid medication for 19 years,

otherwise no other meds. She exercises at Curves three times per week

and because of her husband's high cholesterol has been trying to adhere

to a reasonable diet with subsequent decrease in the husband's

cholesterol level. Any ideas?

J. Holzapfel, D.C.

Albany, OR.

kjholzdc@...

http://docman.chiroweb.com

[Guest guest]

The words " has been trying to adhere to a reasonable diet " jump out at

me. I would make sure I limited my carbs remarkably with absolutely NO

sugar in the evening. Go to bed on an empty stomach. The weight of 153

is another good reason to do so. Try it, at least.

Terry Petty, D.C.

RE: Restless leg syndrome

Listees,

Here's a condition that little is known about and may be considered

genetic in origin. Exercise is generally recommended for mild cases and

medication for the more severe forms. Does anyone have any ideas or

experience in a more natural approach to the treatment of this

condition.

The patient is a white, 48 yr old female, approximately 153 lbs,

generally good health. She has been on thyroid medication for 19 years,

otherwise no other meds. She exercises at Curves three times per week

and because of her husband's high cholesterol has been trying to adhere

to a reasonable diet with subsequent decrease in the husband's

cholesterol level. Any ideas?

J. Holzapfel, D.C.

Albany, OR.

kjholzdc@...

http://docman.chiroweb.com

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Once again, liquid minerals has been effective for many of my patients. The

mineral deficiency due to our poor soils seems to have effected us in

numerous ways. If the mineral dose doesn't stop it within a few minutes, we

have found that a added dose of powdered calcium completes the need of that

moment.

Sunny ;'-))

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC

Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon

59 Santa Clara St.,

Eugene, Oregon, 97404

541-689-0935

RE: Restless leg syndrome

> Listees,

>

> Here's a condition that little is known about and may be considered

> genetic in origin. Exercise is generally recommended for mild cases and

> medication for the more severe forms. Does anyone have any ideas or

> experience in a more natural approach to the treatment of this condition.

> The patient is a white, 48 yr old female, approximately 153 lbs,

> generally good health. She has been on thyroid medication for 19 years,

> otherwise no other meds. She exercises at Curves three times per week

> and because of her husband's high cholesterol has been trying to adhere

> to a reasonable diet with subsequent decrease in the husband's

> cholesterol level. Any ideas?

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> J. Holzapfel, D.C.

> Albany, OR.

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[Guest guest]

I am not surprised to hear this. We live in a +55 community and a good

number of the ladies have been told they suffer from anemia, although

the doctors did not tell them what kind. They were told previously not

to eat red meat, due to their hearts. I wonder if there is a connection?

Perhaps when the funds are available I can have those tests, in the mean

time I will keep cleaning up my diet. Thanks for the info. Diane

Resnik wrote:

>Dr. Balch, author of " Presciption for Nutritional Healing " , seems to

think that restless leg syndrome is caused by a deficiency of iron. You are

absoultely right when you say you lack intrinsic factors. Your stomach is not

working as it should. Raw foodists think detoxing by way of diet can give you

back your digestive fires. Iron is not measured simply. According to the

author of " Food and Mood " there are medical tests that reveal more completely

how much storage of iron is left in your tissues, rather than in your blood.

Iron deficiency anemia is more of an epidemic than you think.

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[Guest guest]

Do some research then talk to a pharmacist

about the use of Quinine.

s. fuchs dc

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dr. J. Tomaino

Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007

11:18 AM

To:

clinicalchiropractic ; DC List, Oregon

Subject: Restless

Leg Syndrome

Good

morning Docs,

I have a patient who has symptoms of RLS and I was wondering if anyone has had

any success with treatment options. She was on Levodopa, which had good

initial results and then fell off. She was then switched to ReQuip

(ropinirole) which made her extremely nauseas.

I have read that there is " no cure " , but also read that Iron +

Vitamin C has been effective (if blood iron levels are low naturally) and that

anemia should be ruled out.

Any other options out there? Successes?

Thanks!