Guest guest Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I did 'paint' my breast again this morning. I can't wait until bedtime to see how it looks! ;-) As I mentioned previously, I am only using the Detoxadine, which is VERY weak compared to Lugol's. I'm wondering if it is OK to paint one's body with 'store bought' iodine (I buy it for my sheep at lambing time ~ to disinfect the lamb's cords). Reading the label, I see the product is 2.4% iodine solution and is recommend for topical use on animals only ~ not humans. I'm not worried about the 'not human' part but thought I should check here to see what the verdict was on using this type of Iodine for painting. This would be a good step up from the Detoxadine in which the iodine is measured in micro grams. The Lugol's is just WAY to expesive to use as a frequent pain over a relatively large surface. What are your thoughts? Shepherdess ~ Soapmakerhttp://shepherdsvoice.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I'm sure that is why the label says 'not for human use' ~ I buy it in the horse section at "Farm & Fleet". I guess what I'm asking is Iodine/Iodine? Does it matter if we buy Lugol's or Walgreen's? If it says 2% or 7%, does it really matter where it comes from? I think I'm going to want to try to make my own Iodine if this treatment seems to make a difference. I am unemployed and paying $10 to $15/oz. is painful! I hope you enjoyed your weekend! Shepherdess ~ Soapmakerhttp://shepherdsvoice.blogspot.com Painting with Iodine I did 'paint' my breast again this morning. I can't wait until bedtime to see how it looks! ;-) As I mentioned previously, I am only using the Detoxadine, which is VERY weak compared to Lugol's. I'm wondering if it is OK to paint one's body with 'store bought' iodine (I buy it for my sheep at lambing time ~ to disinfect the lamb's cords). Reading the label, I see the product is 2.4% iodine solution and is recommend for topical use on animals only ~ not humans. I'm not worried about the 'not human' part but thought I should check here to see what the verdict was on using this type of Iodine for painting. This would be a good step up from the Detoxadine in which the iodine is measured in micro grams. The Lugol's is just WAY to expesive to use as a frequent pain over a relatively large surface. What are your thoughts? Shepherdess ~ Soapmakerhttp://shepherdsvoice.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Yes, that's right. If the product is actually Lugol's (strictly just two kinds of iodine and water), then it's perfectly fine. I worry about products like Betadine that have a lot of other chemicals in them. Is there an ingredients list, , or could you call the company and ask them? -- On 5 Sep 2011 at 19:12, ladybugsandbees wrote: > > > > It may be just a liability thing with all the govt regulations. The > place you purchase it from should have an MSDS sheet on it. That would > tell you the ingredients. I remember that there was iodine that as > used in fish tanks that was Lugol's that was labeled not for humans > but it was actually just plain Lugol's and people used it to > supplement. That was before the DEA regulations though. > > Buist ND HC > > > Painting with Iodine > > > I did 'paint' my breast again this morning. I can't wait until bedtime > to see how it looks! ;-) As I mentioned previously, I am only using > the Detoxadine, which is VERY weak compared to Lugol's. I'm wondering > if it isOK to paint one's body with 'store bought' iodine (I buy it > for my sheep at lambing time ~ to disinfect the lamb's cords). Reading > the label, I see the product is 2.4% iodine solution and is recommend > for topical use on animals only ~ not humans. I'm not worried about > the 'not human' part but thought I should check here to see what the > verdict was on using this type of Iodine for painting. This would be a > good step up from the Detoxadine in which the iodine is measured in > micro grams. The Lugol's is just WAY to expesive to use as a frequent > pain over a relatively large surface. > > What are your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I think I've already posted to this question but I will reinterate. No, iodine is not iodine. Some formulations have other chemicals in it. The only way to know is if you can see the ingredients list unless it is called Lugol's, which is reliably only water and iodine. Please see my previous response to this subject line. I also gave a link for the information for a less expensive source of Lugol's, along with the raw ingredients. -- On 5 Sep 2011 at 18:37, Krohn wrote: > > > > I'm sure that is why the label says 'not for human use' ~ I buy it in > the horse section at " Farm & Fleet " . I guess what I'm asking is > Iodine/Iodine? Does it matter if we buy Lugol's or Walgreen's? If it > says 2% or 7%, does it really matter where it comes from? I think I'm > going to want to try to make my own Iodine if this treatment seems to > make a difference. I am unemployed and paying $10 to $15/oz. is > painful! > > I hope you enjoyed your weekend! > > > Shepherdess ~ Soapmaker > http://shepherdsvoice.blogspot.com > Re: Painting with Iodine > > > It may be just a liability thing with all the govt regulations. The > place you purchase it from should have an MSDS sheet on it. That would > tell you the ingredients. I remember that there was iodine that as > used in fish tanks that was Lugol's that was labeled not for humans > but it was actually just plain Lugol's and people used it to > supplement. That was before the DEA regulations though. > > Buist ND HC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Walgreen's won't have Lugol's w/o a prescription. It will be betadine which is toxic to ingest and not what we promote here. You can only get Lugol's from compounding pharmacies, online or farm supply stores. Or as has stated over and over you can go to eBay or make it on your own. Many have been unemployed or financially challenged in one way or another and have made this a priority to get well. I can tell you that it is a blessing to see them recover and get back to work. That is why I continue to do this. Buist, ND HC Painting with Iodine I did 'paint' my breast again this morning. I can't wait until bedtime to see how it looks! ;-) As I mentioned previously, I am only using the Detoxadine, which is VERY weak compared to Lugol's. I'm wondering if it is OK to paint one's body with 'store bought' iodine (I buy it for my sheep at lambing time ~ to disinfect the lamb's cords). Reading the label, I see the product is 2.4% iodine solution and is recommend for topical use on animals only ~ not humans. I'm not worried about the 'not human' part but thought I should check here to see what the verdict was on using this type of Iodine for painting. This would be a good step up from the Detoxadine in which the iodine is measured in micro grams. The Lugol's is just WAY to expesive to use as a frequent pain over a relatively large surface. What are your thoughts? Shepherdess ~ Soapmakerhttp://shepherdsvoice.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Oh, OUCH!!! ;-) Shepherdess ~ Soapmakerhttp://shepherdsvoice.blogspot.com Re: Painting with Iodine You especially don't want a tincture with alcohol in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Actually, iodine tincture (ie. - with alcohol) is exactly what I would choose for painting on the skin if there were a choice available. I say that because I'm old enough to remember the days when every family kept a bottle of iodine tincture in the medicine cabinet for use on scrapes and skin wounds. Iodine tincture burns when applied to skin abrasions, of course. Who would ever forget that experience? However, it doesn't burn when applied to intact, unbroken skin. The breasts prefer iodine over iodide because the breasts are composed of fatty tissue which sucks up the iodine, making it less available to the rest of the body. The reason for the skull and crossbones on the iodine bottle labels plus the written warning on the label about not taking it internally was because the form of alcohol used in those old tinctures of iodine was toxic -- just as rubbing alcohol today contains a toxic form of alcohol, namely ethyl alcohol or isopropyl alcohol. Thus, we were all misled into believing that it was the iodine which was toxic, not the alcoholic base into which the iodine was dissolved. Therefore, I don't see any reason why one couldn't make one's own tincture of iodine by buying drinking alcohol (Everclear, " Indian Fire Water " ) from a liquor store for use in painting on the skin since tincture of iodine has disappeared from the store shelves, thanks to Big Brother's over-zealousness. I wouldn't know what measurements to use to make it though, but I can recall making a similar super-saturated tincture of boric acid (at the direction of an ENT) for use in our child's ear canal which had swollen shut after a really nasty fungal ear infection about 30 years ago. So why not do the same with iodine crystals dissolved into Everclear, huh? > > You especially don't want a tincture with alcohol in it. > > Anne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 But she has a large open wound she wants to paint.AnneOn Sep 6, 2011, at 7:07 AM, texlyme_mom wrote: Actually, iodine tincture (ie. - with alcohol) is exactly what I would choose for painting on the skin if there were a choice available. I say that because I'm old enough to remember the days when every family kept a bottle of iodine tincture in the medicine cabinet for use on scrapes and skin wounds. Iodine tincture burns when applied to skin abrasions, of course. Who would ever forget that experience? However, it doesn't burn when applied to intact, unbroken skin. The breasts prefer iodine over iodide because the breasts are composed of fatty tissue which sucks up the iodine, making it less available to the rest of the body. The reason for the skull and crossbones on the iodine bottle labels plus the written warning on the label about not taking it internally was because the form of alcohol used in those old tinctures of iodine was toxic -- just as rubbing alcohol today contains a toxic form of alcohol, namely ethyl alcohol or isopropyl alcohol. Thus, we were all misled into believing that it was the iodine which was toxic, not the alcoholic base into which the iodine was dissolved. Therefore, I don't see any reason why one couldn't make one's own tincture of iodine by buying drinking alcohol (Everclear, "Indian Fire Water") from a liquor store for use in painting on the skin since tincture of iodine has disappeared from the store shelves, thanks to Big Brother's over-zealousness. I wouldn't know what measurements to use to make it though, but I can recall making a similar super-saturated tincture of boric acid (at the direction of an ENT) for use in our child's ear canal which had swollen shut after a really nasty fungal ear infection about 30 years ago. So why not do the same with iodine crystals dissolved into Everclear, huh? > > You especially don't want a tincture with alcohol in it. > > Anne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 There is an interesting product on Jeffers called ISP ointment. The concept is terrific but personally I am not so thrilled about the use of petroleum in it ~ though that may not be a deterrent for you. http://www.jeffersequine.com/product.asp?camid=EQU & pn=11784 There is an impressive photo link of this product being used on a gaping wound for a horse. The combo of iodine & sulfur is an awesome for wound healing, I have a recipe around here somewhere that I cannot locate at the moment. One could also potentially use potassium iodide as the iodine source for a specific topical application. > > I did 'paint' my breast again this morning. I can't wait until bedtime to see how it looks! ;-) > As I mentioned previously, I am only using the Detoxadine, which is VERY weak compared to Lugol's. I'm wondering if it is OK to paint one's body with 'store bought' iodine (I buy it for my sheep at lambing time ~ to disinfect the lamb's cords). Reading the label, I see the product is 2.4% iodine solution and is recommend for topical use on animals only ~ not humans. I'm not worried about the 'not human' part but thought I should check here to see what the verdict was on using this type of Iodine for painting. This would be a good step up from the Detoxadine in which the iodine is measured in micro grams. The Lugol's is just WAY to expesive to use as a frequent pain over a relatively large surface. > > What are your thoughts? > > > Shepherdess ~ Soapmaker > http://shepherdsvoice.blogspot.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Putting iodine tincture on wounds helped kill the germs, but is drying. Using Lugol’s on skin alone can be very drying, which is why it is regularly advised to mix it into an oil carrier to keep it from damaging the skin. Using tincture for painting not only is absorbing the alcohol into the body, but adds even more drying effects to the skin, which is not the desired result. Using Lugol’s in an oil carrier is also using an ancient healing remedy, putting oil on wounds to keep the wound from drying out and promoting healing. We still do it today, using vit E oil and such on stitches and scars to heal them. Donna in IL From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of texlyme_momSent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:07 AMiodine Subject: Re: Painting with Iodine Actually, iodine tincture (ie. - with alcohol) is exactly what I would choose for painting on the skin if there were a choice available. I say that because I'm old enough to remember the days when every family kept a bottle of iodine tincture in the medicine cabinet for use on scrapes and skin wounds. Iodine tincture burns when applied to skin abrasions, of course. Who would ever forget that experience? However, it doesn't burn when applied to intact, unbroken skin. The breasts prefer iodine over iodide because the breasts are composed of fatty tissue which sucks up the iodine, making it less available to the rest of the body. The reason for the skull and crossbones on the iodine bottle labels plus the written warning on the label about not taking it internally was because the form of alcohol used in those old tinctures of iodine was toxic -- just as rubbing alcohol today contains a toxic form of alcohol, namely ethyl alcohol or isopropyl alcohol. Thus, we were all misled into believing that it was the iodine which was toxic, not the alcoholic base into which the iodine was dissolved. Therefore, I don't see any reason why one couldn't make one's own tincture of iodine by buying drinking alcohol (Everclear, " Indian Fire Water " ) from a liquor store for use in painting on the skin since tincture of iodine has disappeared from the store shelves, thanks to Big Brother's over-zealousness. I wouldn't know what measurements to use to make it though, but I can recall making a similar super-saturated tincture of boric acid (at the direction of an ENT) for use in our child's ear canal which had swollen shut after a really nasty fungal ear infection about 30 years ago. So why not do the same with iodine crystals dissolved into Everclear, huh? >> You especially don't want a tincture with alcohol in it.> > Anne> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 And I remember the days my mother used to " paint my throat " when I would get sore throat, colds, etc ..... It wasn't the tincture of iodine that was used on cuts, it was what was regarded as special iodine, came in a little bottle and they would pain it on with long q-tip.....It must have been like a lugols....was very common in the " old days " , this was in 50's.... If I was going to paint outside of body with the tincture though, I'd use the white iodine.... Blessings, Margaret > > > > You especially don't want a tincture with alcohol in it. > > > > Anne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Usually tincture of iodine is made with ethanol, the drinking alcohol. But not always. If you don't know for sure, it should be considered poison for internal use and in fact, if it is made with wood alcohol (isopropyl), it really shouldn't be used externally either. There is no need to use tincture for painting-- the alcohol is not needed in order to penetrate the skin, it's just an added, unnecessary component. Lugol's (entirely water-based) works perfectly well. And alcohol in the ear can cause severe damage if it gets past the eardrum. Also, the way Lugol's is made is very specific. You can't just add iodine crystals to water or alcohol and expect them to dissolve. The whole thing is very specific with specific ratios. You dissolve the potassium iodiDe crystals into the water first, then when those are dissolved, you add the brown elemental ioidine crystals to the solution and let it sit overnight or a few days until they are dissolved. Normally brown elemental iodine crystals are hard to dissolve, except for these particular circumstances. That was Lugol's discovery, btw. And yes, different parts of the body use different forms of iodine, either the potassium iodiDe or the elemental iodiNe. I do not believe it is because of fatty tissue, however, because it varies throughout the body and fat is not a consistent component in the difference. It's just that different organs use a different form and we need both for full health. -- moderator On 6 Sep 2011 at 22:40, margretdzn wrote: > And I remember the days my mother used to " paint my throat " when I > would get sore throat, colds, etc ..... It wasn't the tincture of > iodine that was used on cuts, it was what was regarded as special > iodine, came in a little bottle and they would pain it on with long > q-tip.....It must have been like a lugols....was very common in the > " old days " , this was in 50's.... If I was going to paint outside of > body with the tincture though, I'd use the white iodine.... > > > Blessings, Margaret > > > > > > You especially don't want a > tincture with alcohol in it. > > > > Anne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I don't know why you are recommending " white iodine " for painting, but we need both the potassium iodiDe (clear) and the elemental iodiNe (brown) for health. The so-called " white " iodine only has the iodiDe in it, and therefore is not sufficient for health. In particular, the breasts and reproductive organs need the brown iodiNe. So no, I would not recommend that people use only " white " iodine for painting. -- moderator > And I remember the days my mother used to " paint my throat " when I > would get sore throat, colds, etc ..... It wasn't the tincture of > iodine that was used on cuts, it was what was regarded as special > iodine, came in a little bottle and they would pain it on with long > q-tip.....It must have been like a lugols....was very common in the > " old days " , this was in 50's.... If I was going to paint outside of > body with the tincture though, I'd use the white iodine.... > > > Blessings, Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Even antibiotic ointments like Neosporin and Bacitrin are oil-based (albeit petroleum based and to be avoided where possible), but the point is, keeping wounds moist. -- On 6 Sep 2011 at 15:39, Donna Iler wrote: > > > > Putting iodine tincture on wounds helped kill the germs, but is > drying. Using Lugol´s on skin alone can be very drying, which is > why it is regularly advised to mix it into an oil carrier to keep > it from damaging the skin. Using tincture for painting not only is > absorbing the alcohol into the body, but adds even more drying > effects to the skin, which is not the desired result. Using > Lugol´s in an oil carrier is also using an ancient healing > remedy, putting oil on wounds to keep the wound from drying out > and promoting healing. We still do it today, using vit E oil and > such on stitches and scars to heal them. > > Donna in IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Yes, Anne, I also disagree with this recommendation for the use of iodine tincture. There is no reason to include the alcohol in the mix in terms of function, and all the alcohol does is cause pain in addition to adding another chemical. The iodine is perfectly capable of killing anything (and way more) than the alcohol can, so it's redundant and not needed, and painful, and drying. Not a good recommendation. Alcohol is not a healing chemical, when used on wounds it will kill germs but the skin has to recover from the assault before it can actually heal. Mind, here I am discussing ethanol alcohol. Wood alcohol (isopropyl) is poison and should not be used inside or even outside. -- On 6 Sep 2011 at 11:27, Anne Seals wrote: > > > > But she has a large open wound she wants to paint. > > Anne > > > On Sep 6, 2011, at 7:07 AM, texlyme_mom wrote: > > > Actually, iodine tincture (ie. - with alcohol) is exactly what I would > choose for painting on the skin if there were a choice available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I think victoria is correct. If the lugol is working for everybody as it is why to look for a different formulation. For me the lugol as it is is working very well. MiriamFrom: Baker <vbaker@...>iodine Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2011 2:11 PMSubject: Re: Re: Painting with Iodine I don't know why you are recommending "white iodine" for painting, but we need both the potassium iodiDe (clear) and the elemental iodiNe (brown) for health. The so-called "white" iodine only has the iodiDe in it, and therefore is not sufficient for health. In particular, the breasts and reproductive organs need the brown iodiNe. So no, I would not recommend that people use only "white" iodine for painting. -- moderator > And I remember the days my mother used to "paint my throat" when I > would get sore throat, colds, etc ..... It wasn't the tincture of > iodine that was used on cuts, it was what was regarded as special > iodine, came in a little bottle and they would pain it on with long > q-tip.....It must have been like a lugols....was very common in the > "old days", this was in 50's.... If I was going to paint outside of > body with the tincture though, I'd use the white iodine.... > > > Blessings, Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 You use a carrier oil that is quick absorbing, and you apply it at times and in places where you have time for absorption. just described her carrier oil as 50% castor oil ad 50% coconut oil, both of which have medicinal qualities for the skin. Read the response from to get more on that. You can put whatever amount of oil to iodine, just enough oil to spread and protect the skin. You want the iodine concentrated. It's up to you-- just experiment and find what works for you. But the key is, concentrate the iodine in a quick-absorbing oil. --V On 7 Sep 2011 at 13:10, harringd932 wrote: > I have a couple of questions about painting with iodine using a > carrier oil. What is the ratio of iodine to oil? How does it " dry " > as to not make a mess. Thanks! > > Deidre > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback and Donna. , I'm sorry if > > > sometimes I miss previous topics. This list gets SO many emails per > > > day that I often don't have time to read them all. > > > > The > Iodine that I have is a pint spray bottle and it lists the active > > > ingrediant as Iodine (equivalent to 2.4% titratratable iodine)...8.7% > > > V/V *that is exactly as it is written.It is " manufactured for: > " Dione > > Products " of Des Moines, IA > > > > I plan on continuing > with the Detoxadine until my Lugols arrives. > > Thank you for that > link . I wish he had the larger bottle of > > 7%. It looks > like I'd have to take 6 drops of the 2% to get 12.5mg but > > only 2 > drops of the 7%. When you add in shipping, it's still about $13 > > > for 1oz of the 7% or $14 for the 4 oz of 2% How long does a bottle > > > typically last you if you? > > > > Thanks for the info! > > > > > > > Shepherdess ~ Soapmaker > > http://shepherdsvoice.blogspot.com > > > > > > > RE: Painting with Iodine > > > > > > > , > > What brand is it? What does it list as ingredients? I have > spent a lot > > of time searching farm stores while visiting > family/friends looking > > for iodine as it is used for animals. I am > curious as to what you > > have. Donna in IL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - > www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3878 - > Release Date: > > 09/05/11 > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Owner: Buist, ND HC > Moderators: Baker, Kathleen Blake, Donna Iler, Linn > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group > IodineOT/ > > > The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) > iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%2 > 0-%20READ%20FIRST/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I believe I read in a breast cancer book by an iodine doctor, Dr. Derry, that in a healthy person, the body can, through certain enzymes, transform one form of iodine into the form needed if it's not otherwise available. The idea of feeding the body both forms, iodine and iodide, helps to ensure that all the different tissues will easily get their preferred form. When I read this about the body's ability to transform one type into another as needed, it was a pleasant surprise, as it showed again what a marvelous instrument our bodies can be. Peace and gratitude, Dean -------------------------------------------------------------- > > I don't know why you are recommending " white iodine " for painting, but we need both the > potassium iodiDe (clear) and the elemental iodiNe (brown) for health. The so-called " white " > iodine only has the iodiDe in it, and therefore is not sufficient for health. In particular, the > breasts and reproductive organs need the brown iodiNe. So no, I would not recommend that > people use only " white " iodine for painting. > > -- > moderator > > > > And I remember the days my mother used to " paint my throat " when I > > would get sore throat, colds, etc ..... It wasn't the tincture of > > iodine that was used on cuts, it was what was regarded as special > > iodine, came in a little bottle and they would pain it on with long > > q-tip.....It must have been like a lugols....was very common in the > > " old days " , this was in 50's.... If I was going to paint outside of > > body with the tincture though, I'd use the white iodine.... > > > > > > Blessings, Margaret > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 You can convert from Iodine to Iodide but the body cannot convert "backwards" (Iodide to Iodine) because the conversion requires adding an electron and the body is not equipped to do this. So if you only supply Iodide you are missing out on Iodine which is needed by many parts of the body. You need to use a product with both. Buist, ND HC Re: Painting with Iodine I believe I read in a breast cancer book by an iodine doctor, Dr. Derry, that in a healthy person, the body can, through certain enzymes, transform one form of iodine into the form needed if it's not otherwise available. The idea of feeding the body both forms, iodine and iodide, helps to ensure that all the different tissues will easily get their preferred form. When I read this about the body's ability to transform one type into another as needed, it was a pleasant surprise, as it showed again what a marvelous instrument our bodies can be.Peace and gratitude, Dean---------------------------------------------------------->> I don't know why you are recommending "white iodine" for painting, but we need both the > potassium iodiDe (clear) and the elemental iodiNe (brown) for health. The so-called "white" > iodine only has the iodiDe in it, and therefore is not sufficient for health. In particular, the > breasts and reproductive organs need the brown iodiNe. So no, I would not recommend that > people use only "white" iodine for painting.> > --> moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Just to be clear, the " painting " of the throat that my mother and others died in those days was done with a very long q-tip and it was painted on the INSIDE of the throat---open wide and paint, tonsils included..... Blessings, Margaret > > > > Actually, iodine tincture (ie. - with alcohol) is exactly what I would choose for painting on the skin if there were a choice available. I say that because I'm old enough to remember the days when every family kept a bottle of iodine tincture in the medicine cabinet for use on scrapes and skin wounds. > > > > Iodine tincture burns when applied to skin abrasions, of course. Who would ever forget that experience? However, it doesn't burn when applied to intact, unbroken skin. The breasts prefer iodine over iodide because the breasts are composed of fatty tissue which sucks up the iodine, making it less available to the rest of the body. > > > > The reason for the skull and crossbones on the iodine bottle labels plus the written warning on the label about not taking it internally was because the form of alcohol used in those old tinctures of iodine was toxic -- just as rubbing alcohol today contains a toxic form of alcohol, namely ethyl alcohol or isopropyl alcohol. Thus, we were all misled into believing that it was the iodine which was toxic, not the alcoholic base into which the iodine was dissolved. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Here are some "Iodine Paints" http://www.kpharmajind.com/compound-iodine-paint.htm http://medical-dictionary-medical.com/index.php?a=term & d=Medical+dictionary & t=Mandl+paint Buist, ND HC Re: Painting with Iodine Just to be clear, the "painting" of the throat that my mother and others died in those days was done with a very long q-tip and it was painted on the INSIDE of the throat---open wide and paint, tonsils included.....Blessings, Margaret> >> > Actually, iodine tincture (ie. - with alcohol) is exactly what I would choose for painting on the skin if there were a choice available. I say that because I'm old enough to remember the days when every family kept a bottle of iodine tincture in the medicine cabinet for use on scrapes and skin wounds. > > > > Iodine tincture burns when applied to skin abrasions, of course. Who would ever forget that experience? However, it doesn't burn when applied to intact, unbroken skin. The breasts prefer iodine over iodide because the breasts are composed of fatty tissue which sucks up the iodine, making it less available to the rest of the body. > > > > The reason for the skull and crossbones on the iodine bottle labels plus the written warning on the label about not taking it internally was because the form of alcohol used in those old tinctures of iodine was toxic -- just as rubbing alcohol today contains a toxic form of alcohol, namely ethyl alcohol or isopropyl alcohol. Thus, we were all misled into believing that it was the iodine which was toxic, not the alcoholic base into which the iodine was dissolved. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 On the subject of painting, I'm pleased to report that I painted my sore knee (from a fall in the remote past) last night and the pain is gone! I first used coconut oil with the 7% Lugol's and it was messy. I didn't want it to get on my white slacks, so I wiped that off and applied just the Lugol's.  Thanks for the suggestions!  On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:24 AM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote: Here are some " Iodine Paints "  http://www.kpharmajind.com/compound-iodine-paint.htm  http://medical-dictionary-medical.com/index.php?a=term & d=Medical+dictionary & t=Mandl+paint  Buist, ND HC   Re: Painting with Iodine  Just to be clear, the " painting " of the throat that my mother and others died in those days was done with a very long q-tip and it was painted on the INSIDE of the throat---open wide and paint, tonsils included..... Blessings, Margaret > >> > Actually, iodine tincture (ie. - with alcohol) is exactly what I would choose for painting on the skin if there were a choice available. I say that because I'm old enough to remember the days when every family kept a bottle of iodine tincture in the medicine cabinet for use on scrapes and skin wounds. > > > > Iodine tincture burns when applied to skin abrasions, of course. Who would ever forget that experience? However, it doesn't burn when applied to intact, unbroken skin. The breasts prefer iodine over iodide because the breasts are composed of fatty tissue which sucks up the iodine, making it less available to the rest of the body. > > > > The reason for the skull and crossbones on the iodine bottle labels plus the written warning on the label about not taking it internally was because the form of alcohol used in those old tinctures of iodine was toxic -- just as rubbing alcohol today contains a toxic form of alcohol, namely ethyl alcohol or isopropyl alcohol. Thus, we were all misled into believing that it was the iodine which was toxic, not the alcoholic base into which the iodine was dissolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Nice to know! Kathy T. Here are some "Iodine Paints" http://www.kpharmajind.com/compound-iodine-paint.htm http://medical-dictionary-medical.com/index.php?a=term & d=Medical+dictionary & t=Mandl+paint Buist, ND HC Re: Painting with Iodine Just to be clear, the "painting" of the throat that my mother and others died in those days was done with a very long q-tip and it was painted on the INSIDE of the throat---open wide and paint, tonsils included.....Blessings, Margaret> >> > Actually, iodine tincture (ie. - with alcohol) is exactly what I would choose for painting on the skin if there were a choice available. I say that because I'm old enough to remember the days when every family kept a bottle of iodine tincture in the medicine cabinet for use on scrapes and skin wounds. > > > > Iodine tincture burns when applied to skin abrasions, of course. Who would ever forget that experience? However, it doesn't burn when applied to intact, unbroken skin. The breasts prefer iodine over iodide because the breasts are composed of fatty tissue which sucks up the iodine, making it less available to the rest of the body. > > > > The reason for the skull and crossbones on the iodine bottle labels plus the written warning on the label about not taking it internally was because the form of alcohol used in those old tinctures of iodine was toxic -- just as rubbing alcohol today contains a toxic form of alcohol, namely ethyl alcohol or isopropyl alcohol. Thus, we were all misled into believing that it was the iodine which was toxic, not the alcoholic base into which the iodine was dissolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 So to recap, just using " clear " iodine, which is the potassium iodiDe form, will NOT provide the elemental brown iodiNe to the body. Clear or " white " iodine products are iodiDe only, they do not have the brown elemental iodiNe. So we MUST supplement with brown iodine to get that iodine in the body. -- > You can convert from Iodine to Iodide but the body cannot convert > " backwards " (Iodide to Iodine) because the conversion requires adding > an electron and the body is not equipped to do this. So if you only > supply Iodide you are missing out on Iodine which is needed by many > parts of the body. You need to use a product with both. > > Buist, ND HC > > > Re: Painting with Iodine > > > I believe I read in a breast cancer book by an iodine doctor, Dr. > Derry, that in a healthy person, the body can, through certain > enzymes, transform one form of iodine into the form needed if it's not > otherwise available. The idea of feeding the body both forms, iodine > and iodide, helps to ensure that all the different tissues will easily > get their preferred form. When I read this about the body's ability to > transform one type into another as needed, it was a pleasant surprise, > as it showed again what a marvelous instrument our bodies can be. > Peace and gratitude, Dean > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > I > don't know why you are recommending " white iodine " for painting, but > we need both the > potassium iodiDe (clear) and the elemental iodiNe > (brown) for health. The so-called " white " > iodine only has the iodiDe > in it, and therefore is not sufficient for health. In particular, the > > breasts and reproductive organs need the brown iodiNe. So no, I > would not recommend that > people use only " white " iodine for > painting. > > -- > moderator > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3884 - Release Date: > 09/08/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Yes you are correct. That is why Dr. Brownstein has stated that he never saw good results with using SSKI in his practice. Then when he switched to Lugol's / Iodoral he started seeing marked improvements in his patients. Buist, ND HC Re: Painting with Iodine> > > I believe I read in a breast cancer book by an iodine doctor, Dr.> Derry, that in a healthy person, the body can, through certain> enzymes, transform one form of iodine into the form needed if it's not> otherwise available. The idea of feeding the body both forms, iodine> and iodide, helps to ensure that all the different tissues will easily> get their preferred form. When I read this about the body's ability to> transform one type into another as needed, it was a pleasant surprise,> as it showed again what a marvelous instrument our bodies can be.> Peace and gratitude, Dean> ---------------------------------------------------------- > > I> don't know why you are recommending "white iodine" for painting, but> we need both the > potassium iodiDe (clear) and the elemental iodiNe> (brown) for health. The so-called "white" > iodine only has the iodiDe> in it, and therefore is not sufficient for health. In particular, the> > breasts and reproductive organs need the brown iodiNe. So no, I> would not recommend that > people use only "white" iodine for> painting. > > -- > moderator> > > > > > No virus found in this message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3884 - Release Date:> 09/08/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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