Re: Starting Iodine Protocol - Need Advice

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Hi SAJ,

I wish you hadn't waited so long for the iodine but better late than never, and I'm certainly glad she'll start now. I'll add comments below, I'm sure others will have other things to say or different points to address:

> Hello Folks,

>

> I've been monitoring this site for about a year now and my wife

> (diagnosed papillary thyroid cancer last year in Dec 2010) with no

> surgery or RAI yet and do not plan on one, hopefully ... For the past

> year she's been on homeopathic medicine along with a slew of natural

> supplements (Dr. Tim O' Shea). However, her nodule has slightly grown

> over a year despite homeo medicine:

>

> Thyroid Sonogram: 12/2010 (Last Year)

> RIGHT LOBE: 3.2cm longitudinally and 1.1 x 1.4 cm in cross section.

> LEFT LOBE: 3.3cm longitudinally and 1.1 x 1.2 cm in cross section.

> NODULE: 1.3 x 1.9 cm solid, vascular nodule in the left aspect of the

> thyroid isthmus.

>

> Thyroid Sonogram: 12/2011 (This Year)

> RIGHT LOBE: 4.1cm longitudinally and 1.4 x 1.6 cm (Normal)

> LEFT LOBE: 4.1cm cm longitudinally and 1.5 x 2.0 cm (Slightly

> enlarged) NODULE: 1.3 x 2.3 x 2.7 cm solitary nodule

>

> December 2011 Blood Test

> THYROXINE (T4) FREE DIRECT - 1.35 (Range: 0.82-1.77 ng/dL)

> THYROXINE (T4) - 9.6 (Range: 4.5 - 12.0 ug/dL)

> TRIIODOTHYRONINE (T3) FREE - 2.9 (Range: 2.0 - 4.4 pg/mL)

> TRIIODOTHYRONINE (T3) - 121 (Range: 71-180 ng/dL)

> TSH - 2.29 (Range: 0.450 - 4.50 uIU/mL)

> FERRITIN, SERUM - 25 (Range: 13-150 ng/mL)

> IRON, SERUM - 131 (Range: 35-155 ug/dL)

> IRON SATURATION - 44% (Range: 15-55%)

> VITAMIN D - 26 (Range: 32-100)

> VITAMIN B12 - 393 (Range: 211-946)

>

> At this point, looking to start Iodine protocol and need some sanity

> check as well as any input from the experts:

>

> 1. Will take either Lugols or Iodoral with food. I understand that

> cancer patients can take 50 - 300 mg/day, what's the recommended

> starting dosage and how frequently to increase dosage?

Folks with cancer are advised to start fairly high and increase the dose as quickly as possible. Generally the factors influencing how much to start with and how fast to increase are detox symptoms. If you're not too uncomfortable, you can increase faster/higher. I would suggest that she start at 25mg and increase every couple of days with another drop or two or four of Lugol's. Iodoral is convenient but Lugol's is nice to titer the dose with because you can move in smaller increments. So I'd suggest using both, but either is fine.

2. Will take

> supporting nutrients with food starting from lower end dosage, if

> that's okay:

With cancer especially, it's better to start at the higher end of the scale. 4000mg Vit C, 400mcg selenium.

> a. Vit C - 2000 mg/day - Good / natural brand to get ?

> b. Selenium - 200 mcg/day - Good / natural brand to get ?

> c. Magnesium - 400 mg/day - Good / natural brand to get ?

> d. Unrefined Celtic Salt - If detox symptoms occur for upto 3 days

> max.

You have it wrong about the unrefined salt. The requirement for unrefined salt is 1/2 tsp every day no matter what. Then in addition, if the detox symptoms are bad, you can do additional salt and water to stimulate urination, thus washing the detox byproducts out of the body and ending the symptoms. That process is called " salt loading " , but it is completely separate from the daily salt requirement.

Is there a document on

> detox symptoms ?

Yes. Read the " Supplementing with Iodine " document that you have been sent and that is on the website and on Steph's personal website. The companion nutrient requirements (and the salt) is also covered there.

> e. ATP CoFactors - If needed when feeling fatigued - Good / natural

> brand to get ?

This is not just for symptomatic relief of fatigue. It is for very deep support. It should be taken on a regular basis. There is only one brand of " ATP Cofactors " , which is a formula that contains the two B vites recommended in the strength recommended.

I will send my post to the list that outlines suggestions for the companion nutrients that are efficacious and inexpensive. It gives the online source I use, but you can compare my list to your own favorite sources.

>

> 3. Will continue with taking 10,000 IU of Vit D3 - Bio-D-Mulsion Forte

> 4. Will take B6 Complex along with Iron supplement if Ferritin levels

> drops after 3-4 months on Iodine protocol, or maybe even now since

> it's at 25 ??

5. Should I contiune with homeopathic regimen ?

Yes.

6. Paint

> with Iodine as well ?

Yes, people have had very good luck with painting over the throat/thyroid area, also over the reproductive organs for folks with those issues. It def. helps. Be sure to follow the suggestions about using an oil carrier to protect the skin from the oxidizing effect of the liquid iodine-- long term use can result in skin irritation/dermatitis that can be avoided by using an oil carrier.

7. Has anyone gotten rid of nodule(s) while on

> this protocol ?

Yes they have. But anyone with any kind of thyroid problem, or cancer, is by definition deficient in iodine. Iodine is needed by the whole body and optimal health is impossible without it. You yourself should be taking the iodine protocol as well.

--

moderator

>

>

> Did I miss anything ?

>

> I know it's a lot of questions, but I want wife to start off precisely

> so thank you in advance your guidance !!

>

> SAJ

> Dallas, Texas

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot ...can you.please send the good brands of companion nutrients list that I can begin purchasing ? Thanks

On Dec 30, 2011 12:08 AM, " Baker " <vbaker@...> wrote:

 

Hi SAJ,

I wish you hadn't waited so long for the iodine but better late than never, and I'm certainly glad she'll start now.  I'll add comments below, I'm sure others will have other things to say or different points to address:

> Hello Folks,

>

> I've been monitoring this site for about a year now and my wife

> (diagnosed papillary thyroid cancer last year in Dec 2010) with no

> surgery or RAI yet and do not plan on one, hopefully ... For the past

> year she's been on homeopathic medicine along with a slew of natural

> supplements (Dr. Tim O' Shea). However, her nodule has slightly grown

> over a year despite homeo medicine:

>

> Thyroid Sonogram: 12/2010 (Last Year)

> RIGHT LOBE: 3.2cm longitudinally and 1.1 x 1.4 cm in cross section.

> LEFT LOBE: 3.3cm longitudinally and 1.1 x 1.2 cm in cross section.

> NODULE: 1.3 x 1.9 cm solid, vascular nodule in the left aspect of the

> thyroid isthmus.

>

> Thyroid Sonogram: 12/2011 (This Year)

> RIGHT LOBE: 4.1cm longitudinally and 1.4 x 1.6 cm (Normal)

> LEFT LOBE: 4.1cm cm longitudinally and 1.5 x 2.0 cm (Slightly

> enlarged) NODULE: 1.3 x 2.3 x 2.7 cm solitary nodule

>

> December 2011 Blood Test

> THYROXINE (T4) FREE DIRECT - 1.35 (Range: 0.82-1.77 ng/dL)

> THYROXINE (T4) - 9.6 (Range: 4.5 - 12.0 ug/dL)

> TRIIODOTHYRONINE (T3) FREE - 2.9 (Range: 2.0 - 4.4 pg/mL)

> TRIIODOTHYRONINE (T3) - 121 (Range: 71-180 ng/dL)

> TSH - 2.29 (Range: 0.450 - 4.50 uIU/mL)

> FERRITIN, SERUM - 25 (Range: 13-150 ng/mL)

> IRON, SERUM - 131 (Range: 35-155 ug/dL)

> IRON SATURATION - 44% (Range: 15-55%)

> VITAMIN D - 26 (Range: 32-100)

> VITAMIN B12 - 393 (Range: 211-946)

>

> At this point, looking to start Iodine protocol and need some sanity

> check as well as any input from the experts:

>

> 1. Will take either Lugols or Iodoral with food. I understand that

> cancer patients can take 50 - 300 mg/day, what's the recommended

> starting dosage and how frequently to increase dosage?

Folks with cancer are advised to start fairly high and increase the dose as quickly as possible.  Generally the factors influencing how much to start with and how fast to increase are detox symptoms.  If you're not too uncomfortable, you can increase faster/higher.  I would suggest that she start at 25mg and increase every couple of days with another drop or two or four of Lugol's.  Iodoral is convenient but Lugol's is nice to titer the dose with because you can move in smaller increments.  So I'd suggest using both, but either is fine.

 2. Will take

> supporting nutrients with food starting from lower end dosage, if

> that's okay:

With cancer especially, it's better to start at the higher end of the scale. 4000mg Vit C, 400mcg selenium.

>  a. Vit C - 2000 mg/day - Good / natural brand to get ?

>  b. Selenium - 200 mcg/day - Good / natural brand to get ?

>  c. Magnesium - 400 mg/day - Good / natural brand to get ?

>  d. Unrefined Celtic Salt - If detox symptoms occur for upto 3 days

>  max.

You have it wrong about the unrefined salt.  The requirement for unrefined salt is 1/2 tsp every day no matter what.  Then in addition, if the detox symptoms are bad, you can do additional salt and water to stimulate urination, thus washing the detox byproducts out of the body and ending the symptoms.  That process is called " salt loading " , but it is completely separate from the daily salt requirement.

 Is there a document on

> detox symptoms ?

Yes. Read the " Supplementing with Iodine " document that you have been sent and that is on the website and on Steph's personal website.  The companion nutrient requirements (and the salt) is also covered there.

>  e. ATP CoFactors - If needed when feeling fatigued - Good / natural

>  brand to get ?

This is not just for symptomatic relief of fatigue.  It is for very deep support.  It should be taken on a regular basis.  There is only one brand of " ATP Cofactors " , which is a formula that contains the two B vites recommended in the strength recommended.

I will send my post to the list that outlines suggestions for the companion nutrients that are efficacious and inexpensive.  It gives the online source I use, but you can compare my list to your own favorite sources.

>

> 3. Will continue with taking 10,000 IU of Vit D3 - Bio-D-Mulsion Forte

> 4. Will take B6 Complex along with Iron supplement if Ferritin levels

> drops after 3-4 months on Iodine protocol, or maybe even now since

> it's at 25 ??

5. Should I contiune with homeopathic regimen ?

Yes.

 6. Paint

> with Iodine as well ?

Yes, people have had very good luck with painting over the throat/thyroid area, also over the reproductive organs for folks with those issues.  It def. helps.  Be sure to follow the suggestions about using an oil carrier to protect the skin from the oxidizing effect of the liquid iodine-- long term use can result in skin irritation/dermatitis that can be avoided by using an oil carrier.

7. Has anyone gotten rid of nodule(s) while on

> this protocol ?

Yes they have.  But anyone with any kind of thyroid problem, or cancer, is by definition deficient in iodine.  Iodine is needed by the whole body and optimal health is impossible without it.  You yourself should be taking the iodine protocol as well.

--

moderator

>

>

> Did I miss anything ?

>

> I know it's a lot of questions, but I want wife to start off precisely

> so thank you in advance your guidance !!

>

> SAJ

> Dallas, Texas

  

[Guest guest]

I posted this yesterday and see it didn't go through. In case you still haven't

received this info, here is a link to a previous post here with a source for

companion nutrients.

msg #79983 sourced from Vitacost online

iodine/message/79983?threaded=1 & l=1

Karyn

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > **

> > Hi SAJ,

> >

> > I wish you hadn't waited so long for the iodine but better late than

> > never, and I'm certainly glad she'll start now. I'll add comments below,

> > I'm sure others will have other things to say or different points to

> > address:

> >

> >

> > > Hello Folks,

> > >

> > > I've been monitoring this site for about a year now and my wife

> > > (diagnosed papillary thyroid cancer last year in Dec 2010) with no

> > > surgery or RAI yet and do not plan on one, hopefully ... For the past

> > > year she's been on homeopathic medicine along with a slew of natural

> > > supplements (Dr. Tim O' Shea). However, her nodule has slightly grown

> > > over a year despite homeo medicine:

> > >

> > > Thyroid Sonogram: 12/2010 (Last Year)

> > > RIGHT LOBE: 3.2cm longitudinally and 1.1 x 1.4 cm in cross section.

> > > LEFT LOBE: 3.3cm longitudinally and 1.1 x 1.2 cm in cross section.

> > > NODULE: 1.3 x 1.9 cm solid, vascular nodule in the left aspect of the

> > > thyroid isthmus.

> > >

> > > Thyroid Sonogram: 12/2011 (This Year)

> > > RIGHT LOBE: 4.1cm longitudinally and 1.4 x 1.6 cm (Normal)

> > > LEFT LOBE: 4.1cm cm longitudinally and 1.5 x 2.0 cm (Slightly

> > > enlarged) NODULE: 1.3 x 2.3 x 2.7 cm solitary nodule

> > >

> > > December 2011 Blood Test

> > > THYROXINE (T4) FREE DIRECT - 1.35 (Range: 0.82-1.77 ng/dL)

> > > THYROXINE (T4) - 9.6 (Range: 4.5 - 12.0 ug/dL)

> > > TRIIODOTHYRONINE (T3) FREE - 2.9 (Range: 2.0 - 4.4 pg/mL)

> > > TRIIODOTHYRONINE (T3) - 121 (Range: 71-180 ng/dL)

> > > TSH - 2.29 (Range: 0.450 - 4.50 uIU/mL)

> > > FERRITIN, SERUM - 25 (Range: 13-150 ng/mL)

> > > IRON, SERUM - 131 (Range: 35-155 ug/dL)

> > > IRON SATURATION - 44% (Range: 15-55%)

> > > VITAMIN D - 26 (Range: 32-100)

> > > VITAMIN B12 - 393 (Range: 211-946)

> > >

> > > At this point, looking to start Iodine protocol and need some sanity

> > > check as well as any input from the experts:

> > >

> > > 1. Will take either Lugols or Iodoral with food. I understand that

> > > cancer patients can take 50 - 300 mg/day, what's the recommended

> > > starting dosage and how frequently to increase dosage?

> >

> > Folks with cancer are advised to start fairly high and increase the dose

> > as quickly as possible. Generally the factors influencing how much to

> > start with and how fast to increase are detox symptoms. If you're not too

> > uncomfortable, you can increase faster/higher. I would suggest that she

> > start at 25mg and increase every couple of days with another drop or two or

> > four of Lugol's. Iodoral is convenient but Lugol's is nice to titer the

> > dose with because you can move in smaller increments. So I'd suggest using

> > both, but either is fine.

> >

> > 2. Will take

> > > supporting nutrients with food starting from lower end dosage, if

> > > that's okay:

> >

> > With cancer especially, it's better to start at the higher end of the

> > scale. 4000mg Vit C, 400mcg selenium.

> >

> > > a. Vit C - 2000 mg/day - Good / natural brand to get ?

> > > b. Selenium - 200 mcg/day - Good / natural brand to get ?

> > > c. Magnesium - 400 mg/day - Good / natural brand to get ?

> > > d. Unrefined Celtic Salt - If detox symptoms occur for upto 3 days

> > > max.

> >

> > You have it wrong about the unrefined salt. The requirement for

> > unrefined salt is 1/2 tsp every day no matter what. Then in addition, if

> > the detox symptoms are bad, you can do additional salt and water to

> > stimulate urination, thus washing the detox byproducts out of the body and

> > ending the symptoms. That process is called " salt loading " , but it is

> > completely separate from the daily salt requirement.

> >

> >

> > Is there a document on

> > > detox symptoms ?

> >

> > Yes. Read the " Supplementing with Iodine " document that you have been

> > sent and that is on the website and on Steph's personal website. The

> > companion nutrient requirements (and the salt) is also covered there.

> >

> > > e. ATP CoFactors - If needed when feeling fatigued - Good / natural

> > > brand to get ?

> >

> > This is not just for symptomatic relief of fatigue. It is for very deep

> > support. It should be taken on a regular basis. There is only one brand

> > of " ATP Cofactors " , which is a formula that contains the two B vites

> > recommended in the strength recommended.

> >

> > I will send my post to the list that outlines suggestions for the

> > companion nutrients that are efficacious and inexpensive. It gives the

> > online source I use, but you can compare my list to your own favorite

> > sources.

> >

> > >

> > > 3. Will continue with taking 10,000 IU of Vit D3 - Bio-D-Mulsion Forte

> > > 4. Will take B6 Complex along with Iron supplement if Ferritin levels

> > > drops after 3-4 months on Iodine protocol, or maybe even now since

> > > it's at 25 ??

> >

> > 5. Should I contiune with homeopathic regimen ?

> >

> > Yes.

> >

> > 6. Paint

> > > with Iodine as well ?

> >

> > Yes, people have had very good luck with painting over the

> > throat/thyroid area, also over the reproductive organs for folks with those

> > issues. It def. helps. Be sure to follow the suggestions about using an

> > oil carrier to protect the skin from the oxidizing effect of the liquid

> > iodine-- long term use can result in skin irritation/dermatitis that can be

> > avoided by using an oil carrier.

> >

> > 7. Has anyone gotten rid of nodule(s) while on

> > > this protocol ?

> >

> > Yes they have. But anyone with any kind of thyroid problem, or cancer,

> > is by definition deficient in iodine. Iodine is needed by the whole body

> > and optimal health is impossible without it. You yourself should be taking

> > the iodine protocol as well.

> >

> > --

> > moderator

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Did I miss anything ?

> > >

> > > I know it's a lot of questions, but I want wife to start off precisely

> > > so thank you in advance your guidance !!

> > >

> > > SAJ

> > > Dallas, Texas

> >

> >

> >

>