Insomnia

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Dear Theo;

Sorry about your troubles. My husband (who will not take medications,

only as last resort) takes Sonata. It helps keep you asleep with

no "hang over" feeling in the morning. Have you considered a Sleep

Apnea test? Perhaps you need a CPAP machine? I use one and

sleep wonderfully!

Good luck, we all need our sleep!

~guin

THEO1415@... wrote:

For the

past 4 months or so, I have had a lot of trouble sleeping. The doctor

gave me Ambien, which is mildly addictive. I was to take 1-2 a day

as needed. I take one a day, but it the effect is beginning to wear

off. They say as you take it it becomes less and less effecive.

We tried trapazine (?) ( but it kept me up all night with a very dry cottony

mouth. Does anyone out there use a sleeping pill every night, and

if so, which one, and if so how does it work. I am still

up half the night, with my mind racing about usually in consequential things,

in and out of sleep I guess, but I don't sleep soundly the whole night

through. Theodore , Jr. theo1415@...

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Dear Theodore: I am on one Ambien and 2 trazodone tablets plus a Buspar each night. All this cocktail gives me is from One am until about 4am but I do wake up completely with no groggyness. I was able to stop cold all of them during my recent cancer surgery. I did stay awake keeping the ICU unhappy all night. I watched old "McHales Navy" tv shows. Love, Jeannie ( a fellow non sleeper since 1994.)

For the past 4 months or so, I have had a lot of trouble sleeping. The doctor gave me Ambien, which is mildly addictive. I was to take 1-2 a day as needed. I take one a day, but it the effect is beginning to wear off. They say as you take it it becomes less and less effecive. We tried trapazine (?) ( but it kept me up all night with a very dry cottony mouth. Does anyone out there use a sleeping pill every night, and if so, which one, and if so how does it work. I am still up half the night, with my mind racing about usually in consequential things, in and out of sleep I guess, but I don't sleep soundly the whole night through. Theodore , Jr. theo1415@...

[Guest guest]

hi sue,

ive been taking 10mg of ambien most every night for about 8 years now.

yes, they are addictive cause i have to take them now or i dont

sleep. but, i have never needed an increase in the dose.

i take it about an hour before i plan to sleep and generally stay asleep

most of the night.

i had to do the chemo thing for a year in 94 and couldnt sleep at all. the

doc started me on them and ive been taking them ever since with no apparant

side effect.

hope this helps,

bob in pa

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Theo....

> less effecive. We tried trapazine (?) ( but it kept me up all night

> with a very dry cottony mouth. Does anyone out there use a sleeping

> pill every night, and if so, which one, and if so how does it work.

I take an OTC diphenhydramine sleeping pill nearly every night. (It is

a store brand version of

Sominex.) Works very well.... as long as i take half the recommended

dose. The full dose (two

tablets) makes me 'itchy' and twitchy and totally sleepless. I asked

both my dr. and the pharmacist

if this would cause problems with my script high BP meds.... both said

no. Have taken this for several

yrs. now. No addiction, and no needing increasing dosages for effect.

Hope this helps.

PS--The diphenhydramine is the same stuff in Tylenol PM.

Sue

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I dont know if any one cares but when i had the insomnia my doc put me on lorazepam which is highly addictive but the i went to a pscycopharmicologist excuse the spelling he is a pscyciatrist and specilizez in pharmicology so he put me on clonopin or clonazepam which is not addictive at all. i take 2.5 mg's b4 i goto bed i sleep like a baby.Good Luck and Good Heart.TURK

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Theo....> less effecive. We tried trapazine (?) ( but it kept me up all night> with a very dry cottony mouth. Does anyone out there use a sleeping> pill every night, and if so, which one, and if so how does it work. I take an OTC diphenhydramine sleeping pill nearly every night. (It isa store brand version ofSominex.) Works very well.... as long as i take half the recommendeddose. The full dose (twotablets) makes me 'itchy' and twitchy and totally sleepless. I askedboth my dr. and the pharmacistif this would cause problems with my script high BP meds.... both saidno. Have taken this for severalyrs. now. No addiction, and no needing increasing dosages for effect.Hope this helps. PS--The diphenhydramine is the same stuff in Tylenol PM. SuePlease visit the Zapper homepage athttp://www.ZapLife.org

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I can relate strongly to the insomnia problem.

I found, purely by accident, that the supplements I take to control swinging

Blood Sugar and Hypo' enabled me to get a better nights sleep.

I was advised to take 500 mg of Nicotinamide (NOTE not NICOTINIC ACID or ANY

OTHER MIX OF NIACIN PRODUCTS.) I actually get by on just 125mg.

Zinc (as an amino acid chelate NOT citrate) 15 to 30 mg.

Chromium 200 microgram capsule.

Because the Chromium made my Insulin much more effective if I took the full

capsule I became Hypo' very quickly with the accompanying drop in Potassium. I

therefore had to break open a capsule and use about an eighth to start off with

until I got my levels of Insulin down.

This mix enables me to get at least 5 hours of good sleep. Its not perfect but

its a big improvement.

Your probably wondering what this has to do with CFS. Well, because I am not

Diabetic and there is no sign of Autoimmune damage to the Insulin receptors I

think it is just another example of a body system that has been knocked out of

balance by the initiating event and is being perpetuated by an opportunistic

virus or Bacteria. By this I mean that these Insulin Co-factors are either not

being absorbed efficiently or are being used for other purposes.

Don't go down this road unless your Doctor has tested you for High Insulin

Levels.

I think its brilliant to have a forum like this to air our views and

treatments. By sharing with you it helps me to see my own problems/treatments

more clearly.

Regards

Dave x

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Prayers are yours, Bobbe! Hugs and blessings, Ann

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Prayers are yours, Bobbe! Hugs and blessings, Ann

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I've had 2 very bad nights. I kind of itch a little... so last night I

took 2 Benydril but it didn't put me to sleep. Miserable. Can't catch

up. Feelin' bitchy. Need prayers. Bobbe

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I've had 2 very bad nights. I kind of itch a little... so last night I

took 2 Benydril but it didn't put me to sleep. Miserable. Can't catch

up. Feelin' bitchy. Need prayers. Bobbe

[Guest guest]

You have my prayers, Bobbe! Hang in there!

Tracey

> I've had 2 very bad nights. I kind of itch a little... so last

night I

> took 2 Benydril but it didn't put me to sleep. Miserable. Can't

catch

> up. Feelin' bitchy. Need prayers. Bobbe

[Guest guest]

> I've had 2 very bad nights. I kind of itch a little... so last

night I

> took 2 Benydril but it didn't put me to sleep. Miserable. Can't

catch

> up. Feelin' bitchy. Need prayers. Bobbe

Hi Bobbe

The prayers are coming your way....

(((HUGS))) too,

Sharon in Onyx

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I don't believe that an accurate assessment of ADHD can be made with

an individual with chronic insomnia. It's too much of a confound.

>

>

> I'm new to neurofeedback so I would welcome any response here.

>

> I'm a Chiropractor who does quite a bit of nutritional and

metabolic work.....

>

> I have a patient I've been working with who has serious depression,

anxiety and

>

> MAJOR insomnia ...he can go literally weeks even months at a

time getting only

>

> 1-3 hours of sleep per night. We've made excellent progress with

the depression

>

> and anxiety ..but the insomnia has not budged. This insomnia is a

10 year problem that he has been using very powerful prescription

drugs for. He wants to get away from the drugs for a variety of

reasons. My question is ......has anyone seen neurofeedback helpful

in treating insomnia of this magnitude. He says when he lays down

to go to sleep at night his mind " races " , oh yes, he also has

ADD. He is 45 ears old.

>

> Any experience in this area would be welcome

>

>

>

> Shuel

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Good to meet you. My vote is yes, it can

help. Will you be doing the NFB ? Someone else ?? Where are you physically

located.

Insomnia

I¡Çm new to neurofeedback so I would welcome any

response here.

I¡Çm a Chiropractor who does quite a bit of

nutritional and metabolic work.....

I have a patient I¡Çve been working with who has

serious depression, anxiety and

MAJOR insomnia ...he can go literally weeks even

months at a time getting only

1-3 hours of sleep per night. We¡Çve made

excellent progress with the depression

and anxiety ..but the insomnia has not budged. This

insomnia is a 10 year problem that he has been using very powerful

prescription drugs for. He wants to get away from the drugs for a variety of

reasons. My question is ......has anyone seen neurofeedback helpful in

treating insomnia of this magnitude. He says when he lays down to go to

sleep at night his mind ¡Èraces¡É, oh yes, he also has ADD. He

is 45 ears old.

Any experience in this area would be welcome

Shuel

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I would second ' recommendation. I have worked with a Chinese

doctor in Chicago for several years....... my insomnia is gone.

Jaq

From:

Hi Steve

 

I would recommend finding a Chinese Herbalist in Monteray Park, I found

one who really helped me.

 

 

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Hi Steve

I would recommend finding a Chinese Herbalist in Monteray Park, I found one who really helped me.

AW: Insomnia

Dear ,

I dont know whether I can be helpful in your case, but I am very interested in it since I have a patient with similar problems - may be less intense since he is not undér strong medications (nothing he tried the last 10 years realy helped for his racing thoughts). The original start is presumably a traumatic event (waking up to early from narcose).Anxiety and depression is more or less under control with alternative therapies like Akupunkture. With Pete´s assessment i see strong beta coherence and thats what I assume goes along with the racing thoughts. So far we didnt manage to brake up the coherence for longer periods, but the best effects we saw were with keeping on changing focus on different parts of the body, using different senses.... This brain race prevented coming up of coherence and racing thoughts which always came in relaxation and he had better nights thereafter.

it would be very interesting whether you can see a similar coherence in your patient.

Regina Mayer-Jaekel

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----Von: Shuel [mailto:steve.shuel@...]Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. November 2003 13:54An: Betreff: Insomnia

I’m new to neurofeedback so I would welcome any response here.

I’m a Chiropractor who does quite a bit of nutritional and metabolic work.....

I have a patient I’ve been working with who has serious depression, anxiety and

MAJOR insomnia ...he can go literally weeks even months at a time getting only

1-3 hours of sleep per night. We’ve made excellent progress with the depression

and anxiety ..but the insomnia has not budged. This insomnia is a 10 year problem that he has been using very powerful prescription drugs for. He wants to get away from the drugs for a variety of reasons. My question is ......has anyone seen neurofeedback helpful in treating insomnia of this magnitude. He says when he lays down to go to sleep at night his mind “races”, oh yes, he also has ADD. He is 45 ears old.

Any experience in this area would be welcome

Shuel

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I would like to report that my chronic insomnia has pretty much

disappeared since I've been doing NF, along with migraines and PMS

symptoms. I sort of thought that those are the kinds of problems NF

is supposed to help. If I am wrong, then I guess I am just lucky.

Cyd

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Hi Pete, do you have any experience with the opposite situation. I have a client who was disagnosed with multiple system atrophy combined with a inabilitiy to sustain REM sleep leaving her very sleepy all the time. Her problem is that she cannot feel awake and alert unless she gets 12-14 hrs. of sleep. She has lots of areas of her brain out of balance exp. T4, FZ and OZ. She has no particular emotional issues like anxiety, childhood traumas, etc. Any thoughts on this anyone?

InsomniaI’m new to neurofeedback so I would welcome any response here. I’m a Chiropractor who does quite a bit of nutritional and metabolic work.....I have a patient I’ve been working with who has serious depression, anxiety andMAJOR insomnia ...he can go literally weeks even months at a time getting only1-3 hours of sleep per night. We’ve made excellent progress with the depression and anxiety ..but the insomnia has not budged. This insomnia is a 10 year problem that he has been using very powerful prescription drugs for. He wants to get away from the drugs for a variety of reasons. My question is ......has anyone seen neurofeedback helpful in treating insomnia of this magnitude. He says when he lays down to go to sleep at night his mind “races”, oh yes, he also has ADD. He is 45 ears old.Any experience in this area would be welcome Shuel

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What sites did you train, etc.

re:insomnia

> I would like to report that my chronic insomnia has pretty much

> disappeared since I've been doing NF, along with migraines and PMS

> symptoms. I sort of thought that those are the kinds of problems NF

> is supposed to help. If I am wrong, then I guess I am just lucky.

>

> Cyd

>

>

>

>

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Dear Cyd,

What protocol did you use for insomnia? If you want, back channel me with some of the other symptoms if you have time? Thanks!

JoAnn

Biofeedback Center of Florida, Inc.8850 Terrene Court (107) Bonita Springs, Florida 34135 Office: (239) 949-2300 Fax: (239) 949-0048www.biofeedbackcenter.net

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> There are three general sleep issues I look for as indicators: sleep

onset insomnia (inability to fall asleep) generally responds well to SMR

training, increasing the 14 Hz rhythm which makes up the " sleep spindles "

that differentiate stage 1 (lying there and waiting) from stage 2 (out)

sleep. Difficulty producing SMR also correlates with distractibility,

impulsivity and emotional lability as well as allergy and/or asthma in many

cases--thus often diagnosed as ADHD.

Pete,

Would you also like to comment on problems with sleep maintenance? I see two

types here: One in which the person can fall asleep easily, but wakes

several times during the night ( " underaroused " in Spectrum-speak) and one

that is more of an anxiety issue in which they wake and the brain is

immediately racing with all kinds of thoughts and they just can't get back

to sleep.

Thanks,

Mark Darling

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Hi Sandy,Hi Deb.

Don't be afraid to ask for something for sleep.Most of us take something and I believe loss of too much sleep will adversely affect your tx outcome.

I take 1mg of Ativan and 2 or 3 Benydryl.

If you are not having to get up to pee at night,your not drinking enough crystal lite and sugar free tang.

There is a drug called Detrol LA,but I doubt they would give it to you,but it would be worth asking.

Or there's Depends

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Folks with low SMR levels often have sleep onset insomnia. Sleep spindles are at 14 Htz, so training SMR up at C4 A2 inhibitng 2-5 and 22-35 can do wonders for sleep. Training alpha up the parietals can help sleep too. Hope this helps,

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I have a 42 y.o. male client with long term insomnia. He has tried everything. Now, EEG. Assessment indicates strong Beta amd HBeta at T3 and stronger at T4 and Cz also Alpha front-back reversal. His LBeta is low overall with scoop shape. He does not present as an ADD - no hyperactivity. Wide-band squash at T3T4 haven't helped much nor has single channel reduction at T4 of 23-30 Hz.

Suggestions, please?

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Would sleep spindles be 14 htz for a 7-year old also?

If not, what might it be and what would you inhibite

in the protocol?

Leigh ann

--- karenduncan@... wrote:

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> Folks with low SMR levels often have sleep onset

> insomnia. Sleep spindles are at 14 Htz, so

> training SMR up at C4 A2 inhibitng 2-5 and 22-35 can

> do wonders for sleep. Training alpha up the

> parietals can help sleep too. Hope this helps,

> ~

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

>

> I have a 42 y.o. male client with long term

> insomnia. He has tried everything. Now, EEG.

> Assessment indicates strong Beta amd HBeta at T3 and

> stronger at T4 and Cz also Alpha front-back

> reversal. His LBeta is low overall with scoop

> shape. He does not present as an ADD - no

> hyperactivity. Wide-band squash at T3T4 haven't

> helped much nor has single channel reduction at T4

> of 23-30 Hz.

> Suggestions, please?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank, :

I'll try that.

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of karenduncan@...Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: Re: insomnia

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Folks with low SMR levels often have sleep onset insomnia. Sleep spindles are at 14 Htz, so training SMR up at C4 A2 inhibitng 2-5 and 22-35 can do wonders for sleep. Training alpha up the parietals can help sleep too. Hope this helps,

~

-------------- Original message --------------

I have a 42 y.o. male client with long term insomnia. He has tried everything. Now, EEG. Assessment indicates strong Beta amd HBeta at T3 and stronger at T4 and Cz also Alpha front-back reversal. His LBeta is low overall with scoop shape. He does not present as an ADD - no hyperactivity. Wide-band squash at T3T4 haven't helped much nor has single channel reduction at T4 of 23-30 Hz.

Suggestions, please?