Guest guest Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 stephanie...can you explain to me why it is ok for those of us with hashimotos to safely take iodoral ...i have been taking 50 mg for 2 years now and it has helped so many things but my antibodies continue to climb in spite of being on enough thryoid meds to suppress my tsh...i also have my kids on it some of whom have hashimotos as well...i was watching this video series by dr. haskell i think and he was talking about how iodide increases tsh and that in turn increases h2o2 production thereby causing more thyroid destruction etc...he shows an example of a woman who had tpo of about 50 that after starting iodide went up to like 700 in 3 months time! whoops! i love taking iodoral but now i am worried i am making myself worse off rather than better!! i do take selenium 200 per day as well as vitamin c and sea salt....a multi that has some zinc....can you explain to me just briefly how we can justify taking iodide with hashimotos? thanks dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Have you looked at The Guide to Iodine Supplementation? There is an excerpt from Dr. Brownstein's Iodine book where he explains the mechanism by which iodine when supplied in high enough amounts with the correct components will heal the thyroid but when the components (selenium, magnesium, sodium, calcium, etc) are not in balance the autoimmune condition occurs due to lack of iodolipids. 200 mcg of Selenium may not be enough. You may need more. If you have amalgam fillings you may not have success with eliminating antibodies and the attack will continue. Also gluten - if you are consuming it - may also aggravate the hashi's condition. Buist, ND HC iodine and hashimotos stephanie...can you explain to me why it is ok for those of us with hashimotos to safely take iodoral ...i have been taking 50 mg for 2 years now and it has helped so many things but my antibodies continue to climb in spite of being on enough thryoid meds to suppress my tsh...i also have my kids on it some of whom have hashimotos as well...i was watching this video series by dr. haskell i think and he was talking about how iodide increases tsh and that in turn increases h2o2 production thereby causing more thyroid destruction etc...he shows an example of a woman who had tpo of about 50 that after starting iodide went up to like 700 in 3 months time! whoops!i love taking iodoral but now i am worried i am making myself worse off rather than better!! i do take selenium 200 per day as well as vitamin c and sea salt....a multi that has some zinc....can you explain to me just briefly how we can justify taking iodide with hashimotos? thanks dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 I've also had my antibodies rise dramatically so have stopped iodine for now. I was taking 300mg of selenium per day, plus all the other companion nutrients. I've been gluten-free for nearly two years. What do you see as my options, e.g. should I try going back to iodine but taking 400mgs of selenium then re-testing in 8 to 12 weeks? How do you work out what is the correct dose of selenium? It worried me how much my antibodies had risen, plus I never used to have discomfort in the area of my thyroid but I do now.On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:24 AM, dawn <dawnv5@...> wrote: stephanie...can you explain to me why it is ok for those of us with hashimotos to safely take iodoral ...i have been taking 50 mg for 2 years now and it has helped so many things but my antibodies continue to climb in spite of being on enough thryoid meds to suppress my tsh...i also have my kids on it some of whom have hashimotos as well...i was watching this video series by dr. haskell i think and he was talking about how iodide increases tsh and that in turn increases h2o2 production thereby causing more thyroid destruction etc...he shows an example of a woman who had tpo of about 50 that after starting iodide went up to like 700 in 3 months time! whoops! i love taking iodoral but now i am worried i am making myself worse off rather than better!! i do take selenium 200 per day as well as vitamin c and sea salt....a multi that has some zinc....can you explain to me just briefly how we can justify taking iodide with hashimotos? thanks dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 I took all the companion supplements.I had my amalgam fillings removed in 1998.My diet is good. It is nearly all organic or biodynamic. Lots of vegetables. Meat/chicken. Small amounts of dairy, some of which is raw. I might eat hot chips once a year, as a treat with my children, but otherwise never eat junk food. About the only non-organic food is our seafood - but I mostly get a fish that is supposed to be low in toxins. I don't have sugar often - about once a week or once a fortnight in organic ice cream. I think my only vice is organic tea with a small amount of raw goat's milk. I have managed to cut down to one cup or less a day - but I always end up building up again and I know too much is not good because of the flouride. I want to cut back down to one cup a day now that I'm not taking the iodine. I really believe in the value of iodine, and would like to keep taking it, but couldn't find another possible explanation for the big rise in antibodies. I'm still putting a couple of drops in the water that I use to wash our cow and goats' teats in before milking, and I'm still using it if I get a cut on my hand in the vegie garden, so I'd still be taking some in. On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:46 AM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote: Did you take the companion supplements? Do you have amalgam fillings? What is your diet like? Buist, ND HC Re: iodine and hashimotos I've also had my antibodies rise dramatically so have stopped iodine for now. I was taking 300mg of selenium per day, plus all the other companion nutrients. I've been gluten-free for nearly two years. What do you see as my options, e.g. should I try going back to iodine but taking 400mgs of selenium then re-testing in 8 to 12 weeks? How do you work out what is the correct dose of selenium? It worried me how much my antibodies had risen, plus I never used to have discomfort in the area of my thyroid but I do now. On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:24 AM, dawn <dawnv5@...> wrote: stephanie...can you explain to me why it is ok for those of us with hashimotos to safely take iodoral ...i have been taking 50 mg for 2 years now and it has helped so many things but my antibodies continue to climb in spite of being on enough thryoid meds to suppress my tsh...i also have my kids on it some of whom have hashimotos as well...i was watching this video series by dr. haskell i think and he was talking about how iodide increases tsh and that in turn increases h2o2 production thereby causing more thyroid destruction etc...he shows an example of a woman who had tpo of about 50 that after starting iodide went up to like 700 in 3 months time! whoops!i love taking iodoral but now i am worried i am making myself worse off rather than better!! i do take selenium 200 per day as well as vitamin c and sea salt....a multi that has some zinc....can you explain to me just briefly how we can justify taking iodide with hashimotos? thanks dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Hi ,Is there an advantage to taking DMG instead of TMG for methylation? I take 2000MG/day of TMG and noticed much less inflammation. This was a month before I started the iodine protocol. I'm still going to have the MTHFR test but I'm suspecting this is the case in my family too.If my daughter's Hashimoto is caused by MTHFR, can she go in the iodine protocol. My daughter's endo convinced her that it is too dangerous but didn't say why. My daughter is 26 yrs old and has type 1 diabetes since she was an infant and that gave her diabetic gastroparesis last year. Her treatment options are very limited. I hoped iodine would help protect her body from bacterial overgrowth and help her glands too. Now I'm just confused about the best approach. This has been a rough weekend. Her Gastro had her have a HIDA scan with CCK and the CCK did a number on her organs. I almost thought we would be heading to the hospital but she seems to have passed any small stones the CCK may have forced out (crossing fingers).Anyway, back to iodine and how do we determine if it can help her when the endo insists it is bad. She is taking synthroid and has a few small (1mm) nodules on her thyroid.Kari From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> iodine Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 9:57 PM Subject: Re: iodine and hashimotos Just a stab here but you may have the MTHFR gene defect which effects a lot of methylation issues. It is common with autoimmune & cancer conditions. I am wondering if it would help you to support the methylation system. My family all has it and we take DMG Complete which is a PureZenHealth.com product. Buist, ND HC Re: iodine and hashimotos I've also had my antibodies rise dramatically so have stopped iodine for now. I was taking 300mg of selenium per day, plus all the other companion nutrients. I've been gluten-free for nearly two years. What do you see as my options, e.g. should I try going back to iodine but taking 400mgs of selenium then re-testing in 8 to 12 weeks? How do you work out what is the correct dose of selenium? It worried me how much my antibodies had risen, plus I never used to have discomfort in the area of my thyroid but I do now. On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:24 AM, dawn <dawnv5@...> wrote: stephanie...can you explain to me why it is ok for those of us with hashimotos to safely take iodoral ...i have been taking 50 mg for 2 years now and it has helped so many things but my antibodies continue to climb in spite of being on enough thryoid meds to suppress my tsh...i also have my kids on it some of whom have hashimotos as well...i was watching this video series by dr. haskell i think and he was talking about how iodide increases tsh and that in turn increases h2o2 production thereby causing more thyroid destruction etc...he shows an example of a woman who had tpo of about 50 that after starting iodide went up to like 700 in 3 months time! whoops!i love taking iodoral but now i am worried i am making myself worse off rather than better!! i do take selenium 200 per day as well as vitamin c and sea salt....a multi that has some zinc....can you explain to me just briefly how we can justify taking iodide with hashimotos? thanks dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Hi Dawn, Regarding the issue of iodine increasing the TSH - this does happen but it is only temporary (the new members doc explains it). Also, If you are on thyroid medication then your thyroid will not be producing any thyroid hormones, so the h2o2 production will not be happening. Unless of course you are on a T4 or Natural thyroid medication. But in any case if you have Hashi's, you should be taking a T3 only thyroid medication to stop the T4 to T3 conversion which will cause antibodies. Hope that all makes sense. Regards Pat > > stephanie...can you explain to me why it is ok for those of us with hashimotos to safely take iodoral ...i have been taking 50 mg for 2 years now and it has helped so many things but my antibodies continue to climb in spite of being on enough thryoid meds to suppress my tsh...i also have my kids on it some of whom have hashimotos as well...i was watching this video series by dr. haskell i think and he was talking about how iodide increases tsh and that in turn increases h2o2 production thereby causing more thyroid destruction etc...he shows an example of a woman who had tpo of about 50 that after starting iodide went up to like 700 in 3 months time! whoops! > > i love taking iodoral but now i am worried i am making myself worse off rather than better!! i do take selenium 200 per day as well as vitamin c and sea salt....a multi that has some zinc....can you explain to me just briefly how we can justify taking iodide with hashimotos? thanks > > dawn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 , I was just relaying what I had read, since I have Hashi's I pay attention to anything about what is said re: Hashi's and thyroid meds. Perhaps the information is indeed incorrect, I am still learning, but just because you have never been told it doesn't mean the information isn't out there, incorrect or not. Also I did NOT say anywhere that anyone should deprive themselves of iodine. I am a supporter of iodine supplementation and take it myself. > > > > > > stephanie...can you explain to me why it is ok for those of us with > > > hashimotos to safely take > > iodoral ...i have been taking 50 mg for 2 years now and it has helped > > so many things but my antibodies continue to climb in spite of being > > on enough thryoid meds to suppress my tsh...i also have my kids on it > > some of whom have hashimotos as well...i was watching this video > > series by dr. haskell i think and he was talking about how iodide > > increases tsh and that in turn increases h2o2 production thereby > > causing more thyroid destruction etc...he shows an example of a woman > > who had tpo of about 50 that after starting iodide went up to like 700 > > in 3 months time! whoops! > > i love taking iodoral but now i am > > worried i am making myself worse off rather than better!! i do take > > selenium 200 per day as well as vitamin c and sea salt....a multi that > > has some zinc....can you explain to me just briefly how we can justify > > taking iodide with hashimotos? thanks > > dawn > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 , I wish I could find it. I've just been searching all my notes and website links but of course now I need it I can't find it. I'll keep looking but I'm sure there was a thyroid related website or two, and a book or two as well. But I know that the Adrenals and RT3 prefer that treatment. Perhaps I need to do more reading in the right places :-? > > > > > > stephanie...can you explain to me why it is ok for those of us with hashimotos to safely take iodoral ...i have been taking 50 mg for 2 years now and it has helped so many things but my antibodies continue to climb in spite of being on enough thryoid meds to suppress my tsh...i also have my kids on it some of whom have hashimotos as well...i was watching this video series by dr. haskell i think and he was talking about how iodide increases tsh and that in turn increases h2o2 production thereby causing more thyroid destruction etc...he shows an example of a woman who had tpo of about 50 that after starting iodide went up to like 700 in 3 months time! whoops! > > > > > > i love taking iodoral but now i am worried i am making myself worse off rather than better!! i do take selenium 200 per day as well as vitamin c and sea salt....a multi that has some zinc....can you explain to me just briefly how we can justify taking iodide with hashimotos? thanks > > > > > > dawn > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 i am in many groups ...adrenal thryoid ...rt3 groups...and no one has ever said that hashis patients should not take ndt ....unless of course you have an issue with rt3 that cannot be corrected or reversed by fixing adrenals, liver, and iron....and in some cases people may just have some kind of resistance to thryoid hormones so t3 meds may be only choice...but i do not believe that ndt is not ok for many if not most patients with hashi... there is still a very out dated idea pushed by stupid endocrinologists in an effort to bash ndt that says ndt will increase antibodies but most of us that have used ndt KNOW that is a lie and we feel so much better on ndt that we dont care...as one poster here said yesterday..who cares as long as we feel good....i have done t3 only meds and ndt...both have a place....but really i am looking to lower my antibodies ON iodine and on NDT...cause i like both things!! > > > > > > > > stephanie...can you explain to me why it is ok for those of us with hashimotos to safely take iodoral ...i have been taking 50 mg for 2 years now and it has helped so many things but my antibodies continue to climb in spite of being on enough thryoid meds to suppress my tsh...i also have my kids on it some of whom have hashimotos as well...i was watching this video series by dr. haskell i think and he was talking about how iodide increases tsh and that in turn increases h2o2 production thereby causing more thyroid destruction etc...he shows an example of a woman who had tpo of about 50 that after starting iodide went up to like 700 in 3 months time! whoops! > > > > > > > > i love taking iodoral but now i am worried i am making myself worse off rather than better!! i do take selenium 200 per day as well as vitamin c and sea salt....a multi that has some zinc....can you explain to me just briefly how we can justify taking iodide with hashimotos? thanks > > > > > > > > dawn > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Aside from the fact that it is no longer about iodine, this discussion appears to be turning into a somewhat less than kind he said she said mess. And since I simply can't find any references to the information that I have read in defence of the fact that I know I have read it (incorrect though the info may be), I respectfully opt out of this conversation and apologize to anyone who may have taken my writings as fact. > > > > > > > > > > stephanie...can you explain to me why it is ok for those of us with hashimotos to safely take iodoral ...i have been taking 50 mg for 2 years now and it has helped so many things but my antibodies continue to climb in spite of being on enough thryoid meds to suppress my tsh...i also have my kids on it some of whom have hashimotos as well...i was watching this video series by dr. haskell i think and he was talking about how iodide increases tsh and that in turn increases h2o2 production thereby causing more thyroid destruction etc...he shows an example of a woman who had tpo of about 50 that after starting iodide went up to like 700 in 3 months time! whoops! > > > > > > > > > > i love taking iodoral but now i am worried i am making myself worse off rather than better!! i do take selenium 200 per day as well as vitamin c and sea salt....a multi that has some zinc....can you explain to me just briefly how we can justify taking iodide with hashimotos? thanks > > > > > > > > > > dawn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 The reason I question it is because the RT3 and Adrenal group spew nonsense to their members that leave them sick and desperate. I hate to see people react out of fear. There have been several people here that have listened to them out of fear and have returned when they were even sicker. Took the advice here and have regained their health. It is difficult to find but the information can be found in the archives of how much trouble these two groups have been. If you knew the main leader of those groups who insists she was right you would know that taking her advice was not wise. She is a VERY ill individual. Buist, ND HC Re: iodine and hashimotos , I wish I could find it. I've just been searching all my notes and website links but of course now I need it I can't find it. I'll keep looking but I'm sure there was a thyroid related website or two, and a book or two as well. But I know that the Adrenals and RT3 prefer that treatment.Perhaps I need to do more reading in the right places :-?> > >> > > stephanie...can you explain to me why it is ok for those of us with hashimotos to safely take iodoral ...i have been taking 50 mg for 2 years now and it has helped so many things but my antibodies continue to climb in spite of being on enough thryoid meds to suppress my tsh...i also have my kids on it some of whom have hashimotos as well...i was watching this video series by dr. haskell i think and he was talking about how iodide increases tsh and that in turn increases h2o2 production thereby causing more thyroid destruction etc...he shows an example of a woman who had tpo of about 50 that after starting iodide went up to like 700 in 3 months time! whoops!> > > > > > i love taking iodoral but now i am worried i am making myself worse off rather than better!! i do take selenium 200 per day as well as vitamin c and sea salt....a multi that has some zinc....can you explain to me just briefly how we can justify taking iodide with hashimotos? thanks > > > > > > dawn> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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