Re: Re: Night Sweats & Depression

[Guest guest]

Blood sugar? I do not use sugar (just a small

amount of Xylitol on my AM cereal - Organic puffed rice, and I love

beef jerky (organic as well.)

I have decided NOT to take LDN for a week and keep my Iodoral at 100

mg/day (1/2 what I was taking). Maybe MORE salt?

I'll let you know what happens. I have enough distress in life as it

is without having to wake up sweating & thinking I am going to die!

I

jprocure@... wrote:

I can speak to the sweats (I am only peri-menopausal myself) but

the awaking in fear sounds like it might be a blood sugar issue.

I was wakening nearly every night and often I'd been either angry (at

nothing much) or very anxious feeling.

Eating a protein snack before bed seems to have stopped the

anger/anxiety.

It took a while, but with more iodine/salt and thyroid, and now I

seldom even wake up in the night.

Jaye

>

> For MANY months I have woken up in the middle of the night with my

> clothing and sheets wet from sweat. At times I could feel the

sweat

> pouring out of me. I am 62 and long past menopause.

>

> I have been on Iodoral for about 6 months. The last 2-3 months at

200

> mg per day. I have also been using LDN for about a year being at

4.5 mg

> per day for the last 6 months.

>

> I also take many vitamins and minerals. I continue to take them:

at

> least a dozen a day.

>

> The night sweats are also accompanied by my waking up with a

horrible

> sense of doom (my finances are awful right now and are of great

concern)

> and depression. I have also lost my appetite. (not all bad, I

needed to

> lose weight anyway.)

>

> I got very involved in a project last week and the time passed so

> quickly I forgot my LDN (I usually take it 1-2 PM in the

afternoon) I

> switched to the afternoon dose about 2 months ago. I seemed to

have no

> afternoon "low" by taking it at this time, but I crashed early

(going to

> bed by 8-9 PM)

>

> I wondered if the Iodoral at 200 mg was now too much. No side

effects,

> no herx reactions anymore (and I cut back on my sea salt.) So I

cut it

> in half 2 days ago, about the time I decided not to take the LDN.

>

> WOW! No more night sweats and I sleep like a baby. I also can stay

up

> late and sleep hard and long. I no longer suffer from the fear and

> depression I had two days ago (and for the last year!!!)

>

> I cannot afford any testing. I rely on reading posts to this group

and

> experiment. Any input? Ideas? Suggestions? Is it the LDN or the

Iodine?

> Or BOTH?

>

--

Teddy Lancaster

Teddy Lancaster

http://runningbear.com/

5991 NC Hwy 22 N

Climax, NC 27233

800-533-BEAR

Perhaps Ron should simply turn to

his critics and fellow presidential hopefuls and borrow a line

from our nation’s oldest president, Reagan: "I

will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to

exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience."

Important:

Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!

[Guest guest]

You don't have to eat sugar for your "blood sugar " to be up. It would not hurt you to get a blood test for glucose after 12 hours of fasting. Mine still came back normal until I got the glucose tolerance test and failed miserably. RaeSent from my iPodOn Jan 20, 2012, at 10:51 AM, teddy <Teddy@...> wrote:

Blood sugar? I do not use sugar (just a small

amount of Xylitol on my AM cereal - Organic puffed rice, and I love

beef jerky (organic as well.)

I have decided NOT to take LDN for a week and keep my Iodoral at 100

mg/day (1/2 what I was taking). Maybe MORE salt?

I'll let you know what happens. I have enough distress in life as it

is without having to wake up sweating & thinking I am going to die!

I

jprocure@... wrote:

I can speak to the sweats (I am only peri-menopausal myself) but

the awaking in fear sounds like it might be a blood sugar issue.

I was wakening nearly every night and often I'd been either angry (at

nothing much) or very anxious feeling.

Eating a protein snack before bed seems to have stopped the

anger/anxiety.

It took a while, but with more iodine/salt and thyroid, and now I

seldom even wake up in the night.

Jaye

>

> For MANY months I have woken up in the middle of the night with my

> clothing and sheets wet from sweat. At times I could feel the

sweat

> pouring out of me. I am 62 and long past menopause.

>

> I have been on Iodoral for about 6 months. The last 2-3 months at

200

> mg per day. I have also been using LDN for about a year being at

4.5 mg

> per day for the last 6 months.

>

> I also take many vitamins and minerals. I continue to take them:

at

> least a dozen a day.

>

> The night sweats are also accompanied by my waking up with a

horrible

> sense of doom (my finances are awful right now and are of great

concern)

> and depression. I have also lost my appetite. (not all bad, I

needed to

> lose weight anyway.)

>

> I got very involved in a project last week and the time passed so

> quickly I forgot my LDN (I usually take it 1-2 PM in the

afternoon) I

> switched to the afternoon dose about 2 months ago. I seemed to

have no

> afternoon "low" by taking it at this time, but I crashed early

(going to

> bed by 8-9 PM)

>

> I wondered if the Iodoral at 200 mg was now too much. No side

effects,

> no herx reactions anymore (and I cut back on my sea salt.) So I

cut it

> in half 2 days ago, about the time I decided not to take the LDN.

>

> WOW! No more night sweats and I sleep like a baby. I also can stay

up

> late and sleep hard and long. I no longer suffer from the fear and

> depression I had two days ago (and for the last year!!!)

>

> I cannot afford any testing. I rely on reading posts to this group

and

> experiment. Any input? Ideas? Suggestions? Is it the LDN or the

Iodine?

> Or BOTH?

>

--

Teddy Lancaster

Teddy Lancaster

http://runningbear.com/

5991 NC Hwy 22 N

Climax, NC 27233

800-533-BEAR

Perhaps Ron should simply turn to

his critics and fellow presidential hopefuls and borrow a line

from our nation’s oldest president, Reagan: "I

will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to

exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience."

Important:

Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!

[Guest guest]

After three surgeries in one month, I would wake up in the middle of the night with terrible anxiety. I attributed it to overly taxed adrenals pushing out too much cortisol due to the stress and insult of so much surgery. I started taking some supplements that really helped. But it took a few months. Maybe you are producing too much cortisol at the wrong times.

BarbF

In a message dated 1/20/2012 2:56:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tooblessttobstressed@... writes:

You don't have to eat sugar for your "blood sugar " to be up. It would not hurt you to get a blood test for glucose after 12 hours of fasting. Mine still came back normal until I got the glucose tolerance test and failed miserably. RaeSent from my iPod

On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:51 AM, teddy <Teddy@...> wrote:

Blood sugar? I do not use sugar (just a small amount of Xylitol on my AM cereal - Organic puffed rice, and I love beef jerky (organic as well.)I have decided NOT to take LDN for a week and keep my Iodoral at 100 mg/day (1/2 what I was taking). Maybe MORE salt?I'll let you know what happens. I have enough distress in life as it is without having to wake up sweating & thinking I am going to die!Ijprocure@... wrote:

I can speak to the sweats (I am only peri-menopausal myself) but the awaking in fear sounds like it might be a blood sugar issue.I was wakening nearly every night and often I'd been either angry (at nothing much) or very anxious feeling.Eating a protein snack before bed seems to have stopped the anger/anxiety.It took a while, but with more iodine/salt and thyroid, and now I seldom even wake up in the night.Jaye>> For MANY months I have woken up in the middle of the night with my > clothing and sheets wet from sweat. At times I could feel the sweat > pouring out of me. I am 62 and long past menopause.> > I have been on Iodoral for about 6 months. The last 2-3 months at 200 > mg per day. I have also been using LDN for about a year being at 4.5 mg > per day for the last 6 months.> > I also take many vitamins and minerals. I continue to take them: at > least a dozen a day.> > The night sweats are also accompanied by my waking up with a horrible > sense of doom (my finances are awful right now and are of great concern) > and depression. I have also lost my appetite. (not all bad, I needed to > lose weight anyway.)> > I got very involved in a project last week and the time passed so > quickly I forgot my LDN (I usually take it 1-2 PM in the afternoon) I > switched to the afternoon dose about 2 months ago. I seemed to have no > afternoon "low" by taking it at this time, but I crashed early (going to > bed by 8-9 PM)> > I wondered if the Iodoral at 200 mg was now too much. No side effects, > no herx reactions anymore (and I cut back on my sea salt.) So I cut it > in half 2 days ago, about the time I decided not to take the LDN.> > WOW! No more night sweats and I sleep like a baby. I also can stay up > late and sleep hard and long. I no longer suffer from the fear and > depression I had two days ago (and for the last year!!!)> > I cannot afford any testing. I rely on reading posts to this group and > experiment. Any input? Ideas? Suggestions? Is it the LDN or the Iodine? > Or BOTH?>

--

Teddy Lancasterhttp://runningbear.com/5991 NC Hwy 22 NClimax, NC 27233800-533-BEAR

Perhaps Ron should simply turn to his critics and fellow presidential hopefuls and borrow a line from our nation’s oldest president, Reagan: "I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience."Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!

[Guest guest]

Maybe I did. My BP has ALWAYS been right about

125/70 (an almost always higher in a doctors office) I take advantage

of the BP stations at WalMart regularly. Yes it fluctuates and it

usually takes me 2-3 retries to get a "good" reading. I am under a lot

of stress and react easily (and strongly) to negativity in my life,

hence my BP can initially read as much as 145/90 on the first reading.

A few deep breathes (and inner meditation) always lowers the BP within

2 more readings. Even though I drastically changed my diet and now

stay away from most "standard" doctors, without exercise (other than

passive stretching, and slow walking due to me knee problems) it stays

the same.

My "significant other" for many years convinced me meat was bad. It was

not hard to convince me as the store bought meat I bought had less and

less taste, more and more fat. Then in visiting friend in Wyoming years

ago, I was convinced to try Elk, Venison and ranch raised beef. I

LOVED it and continue today (as I can afford and obtain it) to eat at

least one meal a week of organic red meat (and I snack on beef jerky.)

I have never been a poultry fan, but lamb and a few others do appeal to

and agree with me, but are more difficult to obtain.

I adore good cheese, but I RARELY can find any labeled organic that I

like, so I do cheat with the non-organic (Asiago is my favorite, I have

NEVER found it in an organic form) now and then. Suggestions on more

easily found cheeses from organic sources? Organic yogurt is easy to

obtain and I love it (plain or often with organic berries.)

Stopping th LDN (at least on the afternoon schedule) has made a big

difference: some night sweats and no more "nightmares." I have not

taken any more LDN in several days now. Lowering my Iodine (from 200 to

100mg/day) is the only other thing I changed, but now my bowel

movements are back to be infrequent (even with probiotics). Wouldn't

yogurt and/or cheese help? Logic tells me so, but it is not

happening. I wish I could afford the blood tests that would tell me

more.

texlyme_mom wrote:

Teddy,

I think you might have misunderstood Jaye's blood sugar comment,

interpreting it to mean HIGH blood sugar, based on your response to it.

My interpretation of Jaye's comment is that it meant LOW blood sugar,

based on the comment about eating a protein snack before bedtime so

that LOW blood sugar doesn't trigger an adrenalin surge which causes

feelings of anxiety or anger. Therefore, Jaye's suggestion to eat a

protein snack before bedtime makes perfectly good sense to me.

Perhaps an even better solution might be to eat some cheese at bedtime

because cheese contains both protein plus a little bit of fat for

sustenance in addition to its milk sugar content which helps to induce

sleep if falling asleep is ever a problem.

OTOH, if you suspect that discontinuation of LDN might be the cause of

the problem, you would probably get better answers in the LDN group.

However, I seriously doubt that iodine could be the source of the

problem -- although you are right that your unusually high dosage (200

mg) of iodine might be something to consider as well. Usually, changing

only one variable at a time (iodine dosage OR LDN, but not both

variables) is the best way to figure out what's causing what -- if the

bedtime snack idea doesn't remedy the problem for you.

> > >

> > > For MANY months I have woken up in the middle of the

night with my

> > > clothing and sheets wet from sweat. At times I could

feel the sweat

> > > pouring out of me. I am 62 and long past menopause.

> > >

> > > I have been on Iodoral for about 6 months. The last 2-3

months at 200

> > > mg per day. I have also been using LDN for about a year

being at 4.5 mg

> > > per day for the last 6 months.

> > >

> > > I also take many vitamins and minerals. I continue to

take them: at

> > > least a dozen a day.

> > >

> > > The night sweats are also accompanied by my waking up

with a horrible

> > > sense of doom (my finances are awful right now and are

of great

> > concern)

> > > and depression. I have also lost my appetite. (not all

bad, I needed to

> > > lose weight anyway.)

> > >

> > > I got very involved in a project last week and the time

passed so

> > > quickly I forgot my LDN (I usually take it 1-2 PM in the

afternoon) I

> > > switched to the afternoon dose about 2 months ago. I

seemed to have no

> > > afternoon "low" by taking it at this time, but I crashed

early

> > (going to

> > > bed by 8-9 PM)

> > >

> > > I wondered if the Iodoral at 200 mg was now too much. No

side effects,

> > > no herx reactions anymore (and I cut back on my sea

salt.) So I cut it

> > > in half 2 days ago, about the time I decided not to take

the LDN.

> > >

> > > WOW! No more night sweats and I sleep like a baby. I

also can stay up

> > > late and sleep hard and long. I no longer suffer from

the fear and

> > > depression I had two days ago (and for the last year!!!)

> > >

> > > I cannot afford any testing. I rely on reading posts to

this group and

> > > experiment. Any input? Ideas? Suggestions? Is it the LDN

or the Iodine?

> > > Or BOTH?

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

--

Teddy Lancaster

Teddy Lancaster

http://runningbear.com/

5991 NC Hwy 22 N

Climax, NC 27233

800-533-BEAR

Perhaps Ron should simply turn to

his critics and fellow presidential hopefuls and borrow a line

from our nation’s oldest president, Reagan: "I

will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to

exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience."

Important:

Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!

[Guest guest]

Thank you! This leads to a better understanding.

But what are SOB's? What what form are they found?

For MONTHS I was having soft and frequent bowel movements. And even

before I lowered my Iodine (Iodoral) from 200 to 100 mg/day and added

more probiotics my bowel movements slowed dramatically. I am now

taking New Chapter Organic "All-Flora" Probiotics: ingredients: 750 mg

Fermented Soy, 125 mg Jerusalem Artichoke Inulin (tuber(, 90 mg Organic

Apple, 35 mg Proprietary Probiotic Blend (S.Thermophilis, L.Rammanosis,

B.Breve, L acidoliphilus, B.Infantis, B.Longum, L.Plantarum,

L/Salvarius,L.helveticus)

I have no known allergies of any kind. I do eat some yogurt (2-3

times/wk) Stonyfield Farms Organic Plain Whole milk with organic

raspberries. MOST of what I eat is organic, but not all as it is not

always easy to find. No sugar (except what is hidden in some foods) ,

but maybe a tablespoon a day of Xylitol.

I have no problem going back to 200 mg Iodoral if that is recommended.

I am having no obvious more detox symptoms, my skin has cleared up

nicely and I feel much better. Very few "anxiety attacks" or

"nightmares" that I used to have (but that may be because I stopped the

LDN.)

This is very long, I apologize in advance if this is too much to send

and ask opinions about:

I also take a myriad of other supplements:

New Chapter Turmeric Force 400 mg

Healthy Origins Vitamin D 5000 mg (2x)

Source Naturals Hyaluronic Joint Complex

Source Natural Vitamin B12 (sublingual) 2 mg

LIfe Extension Milk Thistle 750 mg

Solgar Multi-Chelated Boron 3 mg

S & L Naturals-Amino Acid Chelated Magnesium 100 mg

Amigdalina B17 100 mg (for at least 10 years)

Nature's Plus Beyond COQ10 with 200 mg Ubiquinol (Calcium Citrate 10

mg, Magnesium Citrate 10 mg, Selenium selenomethionine 70 mcg,

Potassium citrate 9 mg)

Solar Vitamin E 1000 IU

Emzymatic 7-Keto DHEA metabolic 26 mg (almost out, will probably not

reorder)

Swanson Lutein & Zeaxanthin (Lutein 20 mg, ZeaGold* Zeaxanthin 2

mg,Zexanthin (from marigold extract) 1 mg

Vitamin Research MSM 1000 mg

NOW Candida Clear (may not reorder)

Life Extension SE-Methyl L-Selenocysteine 200 mg (will probably not

reorder)

Life Extension Pregnenolone 50mg

Nature's Bounty Vitamin C 500 mg (2x)

Solgar Calcium, Magnesium plus Zinc: Calcium 1000 mg, Magnesium 400 mg,

Zinc 15 mg

Iodoral 50 mg (2x)

Mercola Krill Oil 1000 mg (2x)

A year ago (when I could afford a doctor - complementary and

alternative medicine) my blood work showed:

Slightly elevated Cholesterol 213 and LDL Cholesterol 136, ALK

Phosphatase 153, Mononeucleosis Positive, treated with Hydrogen

Peroxide IV and Atha H Vitamin C IV (severe Herx

reaction) ESR Sed Rate High at 44, elevated EBV antibodies,

Vitamin D 25 Hydroxy low (27), Low serum and free Testosterone,

Estradiol low normal, elevated HHV 6 LgG antibodies, C-Reactive

Protein-high at 4.69, Vitamin D 25 Hydroxy, low at 30.9, Sedimentation

Rate high at 23, Progesterone low at 0.2.

Diagnosis:

I am out of money so I am doing "guesswork" until I can afford more

testing and advice. This doctor is very good (but expensive and

arrogant) I never had the opportunity to discus any of the

test results with him. He just prescribed vitamins, etc. their clinic

sells. I bought what I could on my own for better prices elsewhere and

the rest has come from reading this list and a few others Excerpts

from reports:

texlyme_mom wrote:

Teddy,

If I read your message correctly, it sounds to me as if the higher

dosage of iodine was helping you, so you might want to go back up to

that dosage. While probiotics might help to some degree, the higher

dosage of iodine might have been helping even more with your GI

symptoms, depending on which pathogens and/or toxins you have in the GI

tract -- and there's really no sure way of determining that because

stool cultures only reflect aerobic bacteria since it is too costly to

culture the anaerobes in routine stool cultures.

For example, there can be an overgrowth of anaerobic clostridia in the

small bowel which produces toxins, and these clostridia toxins are

known to be capable of causing either severe diarrhea or the opposite -

the failure of peristalsis and even paralyzation of the bowel. However,

the bacteria which inhibit clostridia are anaerobes (forgot the name of

the species at the moment) which are NOT included in any of the

commercial probiotic products.

Afterall, it's very hard to create probiotics from anaerobic bacteria

because exposure to oxygen kills these ultra-sensitive anaerobic

bacteria, making it very difficult to encapsulate them. They are killed

instantly by oxygen in the air almost as soon as the bottle is opened.

It's just not commercially feasible to produce and sell these anaerobes

as probiotic products.

It is reasonable to assume that iodine would help to control the

overgrowth of clostridia so that those friendly anaerobes (whose

species name eludes me momentarily) could regain their rightful place

in the GI flora. You see, clostridia species are faster growing than

these other friendly anaerobes. It's all a matter of "competitive

inhibition."

Oh wait, I just remembered the name of the friendly slower-growing

anaerobes which are called BACTERIODES. Once this species becomes

re-established, then they crowd out the growth of anaerobic clostridia

species which are notorious toxin producers. Not everything which folks

commonly think of as a "candida" overgrowth problem is actually

candida. These GI symptoms can be caused by an overgrowth of wrong

bacterial species (especially clostridia) in the small bowel also.

This discussion probably belongs in the OT forum if you wish to

continue it further, but I will conclude here by saying I'd be inclined

to bet on the higher dosage of iodine as PROBABLY being more beneficial

for you than any probiotic products (or yogurt), based on your

description of your previous experience at that dosage level.

Whether kefir might work better than yogurt is anybody's guess. Not

everyone tolerates kefir, but you could give that a try. If you don't

tolerate it, then STOP taking it. Likewise, some people have better

luck with a special probiotic product called Saccharomyces boullardi

although it can be problematic too for some people, so don't push your

luck if you have trouble with it, and do take the precaution of working

up on it very gradually if you decide to give it a trial.

Whatever you do, I would NOT risk taking any of the "soil based

organisms". While SBOs have worked well for a few people, they have

been known to cause serious problems for others. I prefer to err on the

side of caution when it comes to matters of this nature by avoiding all

SBOs.

Therefore, why not just stick with iodine since you have already had a

positive experience with it?

>

> Maybe I did. My BP has ALWAYS been right about 125/70 (an almost

always

> higher in a doctors office) I take advantage of the BP stations at

> WalMart regularly. Yes it fluctuates and it usually takes me 2-3

> retries to get a "good" reading. I am under a lot of stress and

react

> easily (and strongly) to negativity in my life, hence my BP can

> initially read as much as 145/90 on the first reading. A few deep

> breathes (and inner meditation) always lowers the BP within 2 more

> readings. Even though I drastically changed my diet and now stay

away

> from most "standard" doctors, without exercise (other than passive

> stretching, and slow walking due to me knee problems) it stays the

same.

>

> My "significant other" for many years convinced me meat was bad.

It was

> not hard to convince me as the store bought meat I bought had less

and

> less taste, more and more fat. Then in visiting friend in Wyoming

years

> ago, I was convinced to try Elk, Venison and ranch raised beef. I

LOVED

> it and continue today (as I can afford and obtain it) to eat at

least

> one meal a week of organic red meat (and I snack on beef jerky.) I

have

> never been a poultry fan, but lamb and a few others do appeal to

and

> agree with me, but are more difficult to obtain.

>

> I adore good cheese, but I RARELY can find any labeled organic

that I

> like, so I do cheat with the non-organic (Asiago is my favorite, I

have

> NEVER found it in an organic form) now and then. Suggestions on

more

> easily found cheeses from organic sources? Organic yogurt is easy

to

> obtain and I love it (plain or often with organic berries.)

>

> Stopping th LDN (at least on the afternoon schedule) has made a

big

> difference: some night sweats and no more "nightmares." I have not

taken

> any more LDN in several days now. Lowering my Iodine (from 200 to

> 100mg/day) is the only other thing I changed, but now my bowel

movements

> are back to be infrequent (even with probiotics). Wouldn't yogurt

> and/or cheese help? Logic tells me so, but it is not happening. I

wish

> I could afford the blood tests that would tell me more.

>

--

Teddy Lancaster

Teddy Lancaster

http://runningbear.com/

5991 NC Hwy 22 N

Climax, NC 27233

800-533-BEAR

Perhaps Ron should simply turn to

his critics and fellow presidential hopefuls and borrow a line

from our nation’s oldest president, Reagan: "I

will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to

exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience."

Important:

Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!

[Guest guest]

Measuring fasting glucose levels is a measure of worst case glucose level.

Even if  fasting glucose levels indicate one is okay,it does not speak to the damage being done from " repetitive " post meal glucose surges. The longer " repetitive " post-meal

glucose surges stay elevated, the greater is the damage done to tissues. The damage eventually progresses to the state where fasting glucose levels indicate a diabetic complication. http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2011/ss2011_Are-We-All-Pre-Diabetic_02.htm discusses this process in more detail.

One solution is chlorogenic acid found in green coffee bean extract which has been clinically shown to limit dangerous after-meal glucose surges.On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rae <tooblessttobstressed@...> wrote:

 

You don't have to eat sugar for your " blood sugar " to be up. It would not hurt you to get a blood test for glucose after 12 hours of fasting. Mine still came back normal until I got the glucose tolerance test and failed miserably.