adrenal fatigue

[Guest guest]

,

Adrenal exhaustion that we experience can not be detected by ACTH

stimulation test. Instead Saliva test called ASI (Adrenal Stress Index

test)can show it.Classical endocrinologists do not accept the test most of

the time.Alternative health care practicioners use it. You may search for

ASI and adrenal exhaustion at web. There is plenty of info there.Please

don't think that your adrenals are okay just by looking at the ACTH test.

You will be missing a very important point.Take care..nil

Adrenal Fatigue

| Hi

| There has been some discussion on this list regarding adrenal fatigue

| and cortisol in rpsonse to stress

| Being concerned about it I have had a cortsiol stimulation test or

| Synthacen test done

| This injects ACTH and sees the cortisol input.

|

| The results were:

| Cortisol Stimulation Tests: Cortisol basally rose from 152 nmol/L at 0

| mins to 522 at 30 mins to 695 at 60 mins. Generally a peak value more

| than 500 would be considered normal for a stimulation test.

|

| Hence my Adrenal suppossedly works, yet I still crash after excercise

|

| Does anyone know if there is a test that checks CRH and/or ACTH output/

| . I suspect that mercury is blocking these pathways and therefore the

| signals to the adrenal as indicated in Andy's book and I am trying to

| confirm it

|

| Thanks

|

|

|

|

[Guest guest]

Nil

This is vital information to me as I wsa sure my adrenals are a problem.

The reason being that when I add Hydrocortisone at the start of the day

20mg I feel much better.

I think I can get this test done. The next question is how do you fix it

if you find that the cortisol ouput is low. I have heard that you can

take ACE that halts the production of ACTH and gives the adrenal a rest

(stops the whipping effect of ACTH on the adrenal).

Do you have any other ideas - DHEA, Pregnolone, Licorice

Regards and thanks

Re: Adrenal Fatigue

,

Adrenal exhaustion that we experience can not be detected by ACTH

stimulation test. Instead Saliva test called ASI (Adrenal Stress Index

test)can show it.Classical endocrinologists do not accept the test most

of

the time.Alternative health care practicioners use it. You may search

for

ASI and adrenal exhaustion at web. There is plenty of info there.Please

don't think that your adrenals are okay just by looking at the ACTH

test.

You will be missing a very important point.Take care..nil

Adrenal Fatigue

| Hi

| There has been some discussion on this list regarding adrenal fatigue

| and cortisol in rpsonse to stress

| Being concerned about it I have had a cortsiol stimulation test or

| Synthacen test done

| This injects ACTH and sees the cortisol input.

|

| The results were:

| Cortisol Stimulation Tests: Cortisol basally rose from 152 nmol/L at 0

| mins to 522 at 30 mins to 695 at 60 mins. Generally a peak value more

| than 500 would be considered normal for a stimulation test.

|

| Hence my Adrenal suppossedly works, yet I still crash after excercise

|

| Does anyone know if there is a test that checks CRH and/or ACTH

output/

| . I suspect that mercury is blocking these pathways and therefore the

| signals to the adrenal as indicated in Andy's book and I am trying to

| confirm it

|

| Thanks

|

|

|

|

[Guest guest]

Good question!That is the most difficult part. Regenerating the adrenals. I

believe that It should be done under the control of an experienced

specialist.It is risky to take hormones yourself.You may contact

http://www.diagnostechs.com/main.htm to help you. You may also contact Dr.

Poesnecker.. He is treating this with glandulars and ACE. There are also

other doctors using other approaches..I will later send you a good article

on adrenal exhaustion.. I have to edit it first..

Take care..Nil

Adrenal Fatigue

|

|

| | Hi

| | There has been some discussion on this list regarding adrenal fatigue

| | and cortisol in rpsonse to stress

| | Being concerned about it I have had a cortsiol stimulation test or

| | Synthacen test done

| | This injects ACTH and sees the cortisol input.

| |

| | The results were:

| | Cortisol Stimulation Tests: Cortisol basally rose from 152 nmol/L at 0

| | mins to 522 at 30 mins to 695 at 60 mins. Generally a peak value more

| | than 500 would be considered normal for a stimulation test.

| |

| | Hence my Adrenal suppossedly works, yet I still crash after excercise

| |

| | Does anyone know if there is a test that checks CRH and/or ACTH

| output/

| | . I suspect that mercury is blocking these pathways and therefore the

| | signals to the adrenal as indicated in Andy's book and I am trying to

| | confirm it

| |

| | Thanks

| |

| |

| |

| |

[Guest guest]

My doc just introduced me to " Adreset " Adrenal Formula, it's made by

Metagenics. This is to help me with this " wired/tired " feeling and

not let me crash after stress or exercise.

It's a herbal remedy made up of Cordyceps Mycelium Extract, Asian

Ginseng and Rhodiola Root Extract. This formula is an adaptogen that

supports an appropriate and healthy response to stress by promoting

balanced hypothalmic-pituary-adrenal axis function.

I've only just started it so I can't tell you how I'm doing but it's

worth a try. I've not had AST and don't plan to, I'm tired of being

tested and finding nothing.

Nat

[Guest guest]

> Hi

> Hence my Adrenal suppossedly works, yet I still crash after

excercise

>

Crashing after exercise is a symptom of Growth hormone deficiency.

Al

[Guest guest]

I found out I have Adrenal Fatigue, so I've begun acquiring the supplements, but

there is one which confuses me. In my research concerning Pregnenolone, some

places say 5Mg a day, one place said 150mg a day, one place said not to trust

anyone who said to take more than 50 mg a day... so you see my deliema. I've

been on Iodine as to detox. So does anyone have any suggestions on how much and

how often? Thanks, /Columbus

> 1 Tablespoon or more per day of unrefined salt

> 4 to 6 grams of Vit C per day

> pregnenolone

> Isocort

>

> People have healed their adrenals on the iodine protocol without those

> last two items, with just the additional salt and vit C. Or, with just

> Isocort or other dessicated whole adrenal but not the pregnenolone

> (and obviously that's not a good choice for you).

>

> --

>

> On 13 Feb 2012 at 20:18, len Ramsey wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > I have ibs. Is it possible that the iodoral is not being absorbed

> > because of my intestinal problems? Also could iodine make adrenal

> > fatigue worse?

> >

> > len

> >

> >

> > From: Baker <vbaker@...>

> > iodine

> > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:30 PM

> > Subject: Re: New member--success stories?

> >

[Guest guest]

I've been taking vitamin C, magnesium and celtic sea salt for about 18-20 months but still have adrenal issues.   I am also on Hydrocortisone and have been as high as 40mgs and as low as 7.5 mgs (while on the hcg diet) over the last 17 months since I started taking it.   

I would really like to get off the HC.Is there something I can do to help my adrenals while trying to reduce HC?   E.g. I take a lot of vit C and magnesium but only 1/4 to 1/2 teasp of salt 2 x a day.   Would increasing to e.g. a flat teasp 2 x a day perhaps make a difference?

I've tried a combination of herbs for adrenals at various stages - withania, rhodiola, and something else on occasions, magnolia on others, but it doesn't seem to make a difference.

I'm currently at a stage where I'm working long hours and feel the need to increase my HC from my current 25mgs but am reluctant to do so.   However, I've also read that stressing your adrenals is bad and you're better off upping your HC than stressing your adrenals by not taking enough (on the NTH Adrenals list).

I'd appreciate any suggestions.Thanks,On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Buist, ND HC <stephaniebnd@...> wrote:

 

I would not recommend taking either DHEA or Pregnenolone (both adrenal hormones) without testing / knowing your levels.  Since they are part of the sex hormone cascade you can have issues.  Instead, I recommend adrenal glandular products, Vit C, Magnesium, and unrefined salt.  This has worked well.  If you get the DHEA and Pregnenolone blood levels done and they are low then you can add that as well.  I took all three - plus the nutrient supplements to heal my adrenals.

 

[Guest guest]

B Vitamins are critical for adrenals. Ashwaganda, Licorice Root, Adrenal Glandulars, Maca Root all support the adrenals. Keeping a good diet high in nutrients (whole foods) and low in refined grains and sugars will help. Omega Fatty Acids are also critical for adrenals. Getting to bed by 10 pm each night helps.

Can you reduce your long hours or are you a "tax season" person. I know what that is like having been in a CPA firm for 7 years.

It really comes down to reducing stress. I know easier said than done. But you can only prop up the adrenals so long.

Buist, ND HC

Re: adrenal fatigue

I've been taking vitamin C, magnesium and celtic sea salt for about 18-20 months but still have adrenal issues. I am also on Hydrocortisone and have been as high as 40mgs and as low as 7.5 mgs (while on the hcg diet) over the last 17 months since I started taking it.

I would really like to get off the HC.

Is there something I can do to help my adrenals while trying to reduce HC? E.g. I take a lot of vit C and magnesium but only 1/4 to 1/2 teasp of salt 2 x a day. Would increasing to e.g. a flat teasp 2 x a day perhaps make a difference?

I've tried a combination of herbs for adrenals at various stages - withania, rhodiola, and something else on occasions, magnolia on others, but it doesn't seem to make a difference.

I'm currently at a stage where I'm working long hours and feel the need to increase my HC from my current 25mgs but am reluctant to do so. However, I've also read that stressing your adrenals is bad and you're better off upping your HC than stressing your adrenals by not taking enough (on the NTH Adrenals list).

I'd appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks,

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Buist, ND HC <stephaniebnd@...> wrote:

I would not recommend taking either DHEA or Pregnenolone (both adrenal hormones) without testing / knowing your levels. Since they are part of the sex hormone cascade you can have issues. Instead, I recommend adrenal glandular products, Vit C, Magnesium, and unrefined salt. This has worked well. If you get the DHEA and Pregnenolone blood levels done and they are low then you can add that as well. I took all three - plus the nutrient supplements to heal my adrenals.

[Guest guest]

I suspect that I have fatigued adrenals, although it is not an accepted condition here.

You were a CPA, ?!

I worked for the Australian Taxation Office and was a 'type A' personality until the MS hit.

Until then I would generally ignore illness etc and keep on powering through all and any issues, doing my work, helping co- workers, assisting supervisor etc etc etc, right up until the day I suddenly could not. I had even been known to do without sleep for several days if I felt it was warranted, or to live on coffee if I was short on time for eating.

In fact, my then GP referred me to a diagnostic physician because I was numb to the waist and we had no idea why - and this specialist told me I was stressed, life was hard - get over it.

Having dealt with ulcers previously and NOT having any signs of them at that time I ignored his diagnosis and asked my GP for any other pertinent referral. What was left was Neurology.

Re: adrenal fatigue

I've been taking vitamin C, magnesium and celtic sea salt for about 18-20 months but still have adrenal issues. I am also on Hydrocortisone and have been as high as 40mgs and as low as 7.5 mgs (while on the hcg diet) over the last 17 months since I started taking it.

I would really like to get off the HC.

Is there something I can do to help my adrenals while trying to reduce HC? E.g. I take a lot of vit C and magnesium but only 1/4 to 1/2 teasp of salt 2 x a day. Would increasing to e.g. a flat teasp 2 x a day perhaps make a difference?

I've tried a combination of herbs for adrenals at various stages - withania, rhodiola, and something else on occasions, magnolia on others, but it doesn't seem to make a difference.

I'm currently at a stage where I'm working long hours and feel the need to increase my HC from my current 25mgs but am reluctant to do so. However, I've also read that stressing your adrenals is bad and you're better off upping your HC than stressing your adrenals by not taking enough (on the NTH Adrenals list).

I'd appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks,

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Buist, ND HC <stephaniebnd@...> wrote:

I would not recommend taking either DHEA or Pregnenolone (both adrenal hormones) without testing / knowing your levels. Since they are part of the sex hormone cascade you can have issues. Instead, I recommend adrenal glandular products, Vit C, Magnesium, and unrefined salt. This has worked well. If you get the DHEA and Pregnenolone blood levels done and they are low then you can add that as well. I took all three - plus the nutrient supplements to heal my adrenals.

[Guest guest]

I will try adding licorice root and go back to using an adrenal glandular.   The glandular didn't seem to make any difference last time I tried it.   Could someone please give me a link for a good adrenal glandular?

I can't tolerate polyunsaturated fatty acids - I get massive hair loss - but I do eat fish, sardines, tuna and lots of grass-fed eggs.   I don't eat any grains, nor corn nor potatoes and rarely have sugar.   I use stevia.

I can't reduce my work hours at the moment, or in the near future, and it is pretty much year-round.   However, I got into a good routine of qi gong, meditation, Korean Sun Do and stretching a few months ago and that was really helping.   Then I had to go away with work and didn't get back into the routine.   I also know a lot of it is a mind thing.   I'm usually in bed by 9.30pm but am up at 5am.

I know I also have to do some liver cleansing because I had a RT3 issue and my hashimoto's antibodies have gone up quite a bit - but I never seem to be organised enough because I have to do it Friday so that I can spend Saturday by the toilet but I look forward to eating when I get home (healthy eating) on the Friday or just tend to forget.   Must get more organised. 

I have recovered heaps - couldn't have worked at all 18 months ago - but want to get off the HC and get my antibodies down.Thanks for the suggestions.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Buist, ND HC <stephaniebnd@...> wrote:

 

B Vitamins are critical for adrenals.  Ashwaganda, Licorice Root, Adrenal Glandulars, Maca Root all support the adrenals.  Keeping a good diet high in nutrients (whole foods) and low in refined grains and sugars will help.  Omega Fatty Acids are also critical for adrenals.  Getting to bed by 10 pm each night helps.

 

Can you reduce your long hours or are you a " tax season " person.    I know what that is like having been in a CPA firm for 7 years. 

 

It really comes down to reducing stress.  I know easier said than done.  But you can only prop up the adrenals so long. 

 

Buist, ND HC

 

 

Re: adrenal fatigue

 

I've been taking vitamin C, magnesium and celtic sea salt for about 18-20 months but still have adrenal issues.   I am also on Hydrocortisone and have been as high as 40mgs and as low as 7.5 mgs (while on the hcg diet) over the last 17 months since I started taking it.   

I would really like to get off the HC.

Is there something I can do to help my adrenals while trying to reduce HC?   E.g. I take a lot of vit C and magnesium but only 1/4 to 1/2 teasp of salt 2 x a day.   Would increasing to e.g. a flat teasp 2 x a day perhaps make a difference?

I've tried a combination of herbs for adrenals at various stages - withania, rhodiola, and something else on occasions, magnolia on others, but it doesn't seem to make a difference.

I'm currently at a stage where I'm working long hours and feel the need to increase my HC from my current 25mgs but am reluctant to do so.   However, I've also read that stressing your adrenals is bad and you're better off upping your HC than stressing your adrenals by not taking enough (on the NTH Adrenals list).

I'd appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

I have take ashwaganda and locorice root with a real good multi vitamin/mineral supplement, also adrenal caps.  I have been feeling wonderful " alive " ever since.  I am also asthmatic and had never seen my peak flow so high ever (650).  yaaaay!! thanks group and moderators for all the great advice. (I am only doing 4 drops of lugols 2% a day with about 1tsp salt.)

Joanna U.

[Guest guest]

I have my accounting degree but never sat for the CPA. I got into the system's consulting group. I set up ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning) systems for major manufacturing corporations - Lionel Trains, Pfizer, Eli Lilly, etc were my clients. I was the techy bean counter. High stress - 70-100 hrs / week and lots of airline travel. That was when I got cancer. It stopped me in my tracks so I know what stress is. I lived on coca cola, coffee, bagels and Mcs. No fresh fruits or veggies. Crazy! It's a wonder I didn't drop dead.

Different life now.

Buist, ND HC

Re: adrenal fatigue

I've been taking vitamin C, magnesium and celtic sea salt for about 18-20 months but still have adrenal issues. I am also on Hydrocortisone and have been as high as 40mgs and as low as 7.5 mgs (while on the hcg diet) over the last 17 months since I started taking it.

I would really like to get off the HC.

Is there something I can do to help my adrenals while trying to reduce HC? E.g. I take a lot of vit C and magnesium but only 1/4 to 1/2 teasp of salt 2 x a day. Would increasing to e.g. a flat teasp 2 x a day perhaps make a difference?

I've tried a combination of herbs for adrenals at various stages - withania, rhodiola, and something else on occasions, magnolia on others, but it doesn't seem to make a difference.

I'm currently at a stage where I'm working long hours and feel the need to increase my HC from my current 25mgs but am reluctant to do so. However, I've also read that stressing your adrenals is bad and you're better off upping your HC than stressing your adrenals by not taking enough (on the NTH Adrenals list).

I'd appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks,

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Buist, ND HC <stephaniebnd@...> wrote:

I would not recommend taking either DHEA or Pregnenolone (both adrenal hormones) without testing / knowing your levels. Since they are part of the sex hormone cascade you can have issues. Instead, I recommend adrenal glandular products, Vit C, Magnesium, and unrefined salt. This has worked well. If you get the DHEA and Pregnenolone blood levels done and they are low then you can add that as well. I took all three - plus the nutrient supplements to heal my adrenals.

[Guest guest]

,

If you have MS, then PLEASE view this video by Dr. Terry Wahls for your proven

simple & easy CURE.She had stage 2 MS and cured herself!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjgBLwH3Wc & feature=youtube_gdata_player

Grizz

>

>

>

> I would not recommend taking either DHEA or Pregnenolone (both adrenal

hormones) without testing / knowing your levels. Since they are part of the sex

hormone cascade you can have issues. Instead, I recommend adrenal glandular

products, Vit C, Magnesium, and unrefined salt. This has worked well. If you

get the DHEA and Pregnenolone blood levels done and they are low then you can

add that as well. I took all three - plus the nutrient supplements to heal my

adrenals.

>

[Guest guest]

Joanna,

Can you recommend a really good multi vitamin/mineral supplement? I am finding

out that my mulivitamin has just the bare bones RDA minimums.

Grizz

>

> I have take ashwaganda and locorice root with a real good multi

> vitamin/mineral supplement, also adrenal caps. I have been feeling

> wonderful " alive " ever since. I am also asthmatic and had never seen my

> peak flow so high ever (650). yaaaay!! thanks group and moderators for all

> the great advice. (I am only doing 4 drops of lugols 2% a day with about

> 1tsp salt.)

>

> Joanna U.

>

[Guest guest]

I have been using Vitalert, I get it through medicalprovision.com I don't know anyone else who sells it. The only thing is that its kind of pricey but I have not found anything better, it makes a big difference in my day.  You will notice a difference after about a week or taking it.  It gives me lots of energy and also I don't crave foods and my hair stopped falling off that much after starting it.  But, every one responds different, if you get it I hope it helps you like it helped me.  Also I use an ayurvedic supplement called sheela jit now and then, research it, it is also awesome for energy, I believe its very rich in minerals.

Joanna U.

[Guest guest]

hi Grizz,

I have already watched 'Mind your Mitochondria.

Intriguing, although I have no idea of how I would deal with the sheer volumes of food.

I doubt we ( hubby and I) would eat 6 cups of vegetables a week once you remove the mashed potato.

He was supposed to have dropped the processed foods and increased vegetables to 5 serves per day and fruits to 2 serves a day but he resisted strongly and I got tired of

watching him quietly scrape 95% of the food I had prepared out for the birds, and then grab a snack to replace it.

No idea if Terry Wahls juices any of her fruits and vegetables.

Re: adrenal fatigue> > > > I've been taking vitamin C, magnesium and celtic sea salt for about 18-20 months but still have adrenal issues. I am also on Hydrocortisone and have been as high as 40mgs and as low as 7.5 mgs (while on the hcg diet) over the last 17 months since I started taking it. > > > > I would really like to get off the HC.> > > Is there something I can do to help my adrenals while trying to reduce HC? E.g. I take a lot of vit C and magnesium but only 1/4 to 1/2 teasp of salt 2 x a day. Would increasing to e.g. a flat teasp 2 x a day perhaps make a difference?> > > I've tried a combination of herbs for adrenals at various stages - withania, rhodiola, and something else on occasions, magnolia on others, but it doesn't seem to make a difference.> > > I'm currently at a stage where I'm working long hours and feel the need to increase my HC from my current 25mgs but am reluctant to do so. However, I've also read that stressing your adrenals is bad and you're better off upping your HC than stressing your adrenals by not taking enough (on the NTH Adrenals list).> > > I'd appreciate any suggestions.> > > Thanks,> > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Buist, ND HC <stephaniebnd@...> wrote:> > > > I would not recommend taking either DHEA or Pregnenolone (both adrenal hormones) without testing / knowing your levels. Since they are part of the sex hormone cascade you can have issues. Instead, I recommend adrenal glandular products, Vit C, Magnesium, and unrefined salt. This has worked well. If you get the DHEA and Pregnenolone blood levels done and they are low then you can add that as well. I took all three - plus the nutrient supplements to heal my adrenals.>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I started using the one that used - Biotics Research Cytozyme AD. I used 's, which helped for awhile, but then stopped working. I tried a number of others too, none of those worked. With this Biotics one, my temp is actually going up. I am up to 97.2 in the AM, from 96.2 in the AM. And 98.0 during the day, where I was at 97.0 or lower before.

I don't know if has it on her website, but Dr. Brownstein has it on his if she doesn't have it on hers. Glowing,grace~"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before morning."- Henry Ford "When the government gets involved in the private sector and picks out winners and losers, it screws up the whole market," "The freedom and happiness of man...[are] the sole objects of all legitimate government." -- Jefferson

Re: adrenal fatigue

Posted by: " Cochrane" juliemc9@... bifurbombur

Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:37 pm (PST)

I will try adding licorice root and go back to using an adrenal glandular.The glandular didn't seem to make any difference last time I tried it.Could someone please give me a link for a good adrenal glandular?I can't tolerate polyunsaturated fatty acids - I get massive hair loss -but I do eat fish, sardines, tuna and lots of grass-fed eggs. I don't eatany grains, nor corn nor potatoes and rarely have sugar. I use stevia.I can't reduce my work hours at the moment, or in the near future, and itis pretty much year-round. However, I got into a good routine of qi gong,meditation, Korean Sun Do and stretching a few months ago and that wasreally helping. Then I had to go away with work and didn't get back intothe routine. I also know a lot of it is a mind thing. I'm usually inbed by 9.30pm but am up at 5am.I know I also have to do some liver cleansing because I had a RT3 issue andmy hashimoto's antibodies have gone up quite a bit - but I never seem to beorganised enough because I have to do it Friday so that I can spendSaturday by the toilet but I look forward to eating when I get home(healthy eating) on the Friday or just tend to forget. Must get moreorganised.I have recovered heaps - couldn't have worked at all 18 months ago - butwant to get off the HC and get my antibodies down.Thanks for the suggestions.

[Guest guest]

I have not signed up with Biotics Research yet. I need to contact the rep yet. www.centerforholisticmedicine.com or even Amazon.com has it.

Buist, ND HC

Re: adrenal fatigue

Hi ,

I started using the one that used - Biotics Research Cytozyme AD. I used 's, which helped for awhile, but then stopped working. I tried a number of others too, none of those worked. With this Biotics one, my temp is actually going up. I am up to 97.2 in the AM, from 96.2 in the AM. And 98.0 during the day, where I was at 97.0 or lower before.

I don't know if has it on her website, but Dr. Brownstein has it on his if she doesn't have it on hers. Glowing,grace~"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before morning."- Henry Ford "When the government gets involved in the private sector and picks out winners and losers, it screws up the whole market," "The freedom and happiness of man...[are] the sole objects of all legitimate government." -- Jefferson

Re: adrenal fatigue

Posted by: " Cochrane" juliemc9@... bifurbombur

Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:37 pm (PST)

I will try adding licorice root and go back to using an adrenal glandular.The glandular didn't seem to make any difference last time I tried it.Could someone please give me a link for a good adrenal glandular?I can't tolerate polyunsaturated fatty acids - I get massive hair loss -but I do eat fish, sardines, tuna and lots of grass-fed eggs. I don't eatany grains, nor corn nor potatoes and rarely have sugar. I use stevia.I can't reduce my work hours at the moment, or in the near future, and itis pretty much year-round. However, I got into a good routine of qi gong,meditation, Korean Sun Do and stretching a few months ago and that wasreally helping. Then I had to go away with work and didn't get back intothe routine. I also know a lot of it is a mind thing. I'm usually inbed by 9.30pm but am up at 5am.I know I also have to do some liver cleansing because I had a RT3 issue andmy hashimoto's antibodies have gone up quite a bit - but I never seem to beorganised enough because I have to do it Friday so that I can spendSaturday by the toilet but I look forward to eating when I get home(healthy eating) on the Friday or just tend to forget. Must get moreorganised.I have recovered heaps - couldn't have worked at all 18 months ago - butwant to get off the HC and get my antibodies down.Thanks for the suggestions.

[Guest guest]

Hi grace,

I may have to try to get some.

Where would I look? And do they ship to Australia?

Re: adrenal fatigue

Hi ,

I started using the one that used - Biotics Research Cytozyme AD. I used 's, which helped for awhile, but then stopped working. I tried a number of others too, none of those worked. With this Biotics one, my temp is actually going up. I am up to 97.2 in the AM, from 96.2 in the AM. And 98.0 during the day, where I was at 97.0 or lower before.

I don't know if has it on her website, but Dr. Brownstein has it on his if she doesn't have it on hers. Glowing,grace~"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before morning."- Henry Ford "When the government gets involved in the private sector and picks out winners and losers, it screws up the whole market," "The freedom and happiness of man...[are] the sole objects of all legitimate government." -- Jefferson

Re: adrenal fatigue

Posted by: " Cochrane" juliemc9@... bifurbombur

Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:37 pm (PST)

I will try adding licorice root and go back to using an adrenal glandular.The glandular didn't seem to make any difference last time I tried it.Could someone please give me a link for a good adrenal glandular?I can't tolerate polyunsaturated fatty acids - I get massive hair loss -but I do eat fish, sardines, tuna and lots of grass-fed eggs. I don't eatany grains, nor corn nor potatoes and rarely have sugar. I use stevia.I can't reduce my work hours at the moment, or in the near future, and itis pretty much year-round. However, I got into a good routine of qi gong,meditation, Korean Sun Do and stretching a few months ago and that wasreally helping. Then I had to go away with work and didn't get back intothe routine. I also know a lot of it is a mind thing. I'm usually inbed by 9.30pm but am up at 5am.I know I also have to do some liver cleansing because I had a RT3 issue andmy hashimoto's antibodies have gone up quite a bit - but I never seem to beorganised enough because I have to do it Friday so that I can spendSaturday by the toilet but I look forward to eating when I get home(healthy eating) on the Friday or just tend to forget. Must get moreorganised.I have recovered heaps - couldn't have worked at all 18 months ago - butwant to get off the HC and get my antibodies down.Thanks for the suggestions.

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, do you feel this is as better product than Isocort?

>

> I have not signed up with Biotics Research yet. I need to contact the rep

yet. www.centerforholisticmedicine.com or even Amazon.com has it.

>

> Buist, ND HC

>

> Re: adrenal fatigue

>

>

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> I started using the one that used - Biotics Research Cytozyme AD.

I used 's, which helped for awhile, but then stopped working. I tried a

number of others too, none of those worked. With this Biotics one, my temp is

actually going up. I am up to 97.2 in the AM, from 96.2 in the AM. And 98.0

during the day, where I was at 97.0 or lower before.

>

> I don't know if has it on her website, but Dr. Brownstein has it

on his if she doesn't have it on hers.

>

> Glowing,

>

> grace~

>

> " It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking

system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before morning. " -

Henry Ford

>

> " When the government gets involved in the private sector and picks out

winners and losers, it screws up the whole market, " " The freedom and happiness

of man...[are] the

> sole objects of all legitimate government. " -- Jefferson

>

>

> Re: adrenal fatigue

> Posted by: " Cochrane " juliemc9@... bifurbombur

> Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:37 pm (PST)

>

>

> I will try adding licorice root and go back to using an adrenal glandular.

> The glandular didn't seem to make any difference last time I tried it.

>

> Could someone please give me a link for a good adrenal glandular?

>

> I can't tolerate polyunsaturated fatty acids - I get massive hair loss -

> but I do eat fish, sardines, tuna and lots of grass-fed eggs. I don't eat

> any grains, nor corn nor potatoes and rarely have sugar. I use stevia.

>

> I can't reduce my work hours at the moment, or in the near future, and it

> is pretty much year-round. However, I got into a good routine of qi gong,

> meditation, Korean Sun Do and stretching a few months ago and that was

> really helping. Then I had to go away with work and didn't get back into

> the routine. I also know a lot of it is a mind thing. I'm usually in

> bed by 9.30pm but am up at 5am.

>

> I know I also have to do some liver cleansing because I had a RT3 issue and

> my hashimoto's antibodies have gone up quite a bit - but I never seem to be

> organised enough because I have to do it Friday so that I can spend

> Saturday by the toilet but I look forward to eating when I get home

> (healthy eating) on the Friday or just tend to forget. Must get more

> organised.

>

> I have recovered heaps - couldn't have worked at all 18 months ago - but

> want to get off the HC and get my antibodies down.

>

> Thanks for the suggestions.

>

>

>

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I am not sure I can say "better" because I have not had both to compare. I have seen good results with Cytozyme AD.

Buist, ND HC

Re: adrenal fatigue> > > > > Hi ,> > I started using the one that used - Biotics Research Cytozyme AD. I used 's, which helped for awhile, but then stopped working. I tried a number of others too, none of those worked. With this Biotics one, my temp is actually going up. I am up to 97.2 in the AM, from 96.2 in the AM. And 98.0 during the day, where I was at 97.0 or lower before. > > I don't know if has it on her website, but Dr. Brownstein has it on his if she doesn't have it on hers. > > Glowing,> > grace~> > "It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before morning."- Henry Ford > > "When the government gets involved in the private sector and picks out winners and losers, it screws up the whole market," "The freedom and happiness of man...[are] the > sole objects of all legitimate government." -- Jefferson> > > Re: adrenal fatigue > Posted by: " Cochrane" juliemc9@... bifurbombur > Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:37 pm (PST) > > > I will try adding licorice root and go back to using an adrenal glandular.> The glandular didn't seem to make any difference last time I tried it.> > Could someone please give me a link for a good adrenal glandular?> > I can't tolerate polyunsaturated fatty acids - I get massive hair loss -> but I do eat fish, sardines, tuna and lots of grass-fed eggs. I don't eat> any grains, nor corn nor potatoes and rarely have sugar. I use stevia.> > I can't reduce my work hours at the moment, or in the near future, and it> is pretty much year-round. However, I got into a good routine of qi gong,> meditation, Korean Sun Do and stretching a few months ago and that was> really helping. Then I had to go away with work and didn't get back into> the routine. I also know a lot of it is a mind thing. I'm usually in> bed by 9.30pm but am up at 5am.> > I know I also have to do some liver cleansing because I had a RT3 issue and> my hashimoto's antibodies have gone up quite a bit - but I never seem to be> organised enough because I have to do it Friday so that I can spend> Saturday by the toilet but I look forward to eating when I get home> (healthy eating) on the Friday or just tend to forget. Must get more> organised.> > I have recovered heaps - couldn't have worked at all 18 months ago - but> want to get off the HC and get my antibodies down.> > Thanks for the suggestions.> > >

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I am very intrigued by this Cytozyme-AD

Is this for when your adrenals are stressed and your cortisol is high or " all

over the place " or... is this for when your adrenals have gone past that point,

and you are fatigued due to low cortisol?

I know adrenal fatigue can mean both high or low cortisol, and the proper

treatment depends on which.

IsoCort is for when its Low. Is Cytozyme-AD the same? Does it contain actual

cortisone in it??

Thanks

> >

> > I have not signed up with Biotics Research yet. I need to contact the rep

yet. www.centerforholisticmedicine.com or even Amazon.com has it.

> >

> > Buist, ND HC

> >

> > Re: adrenal fatigue

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I started using the one that used - Biotics Research Cytozyme

AD. I used 's, which helped for awhile, but then stopped working. I tried

a number of others too, none of those worked. With this Biotics one, my temp is

actually going up. I am up to 97.2 in the AM, from 96.2 in the AM. And 98.0

during the day, where I was at 97.0 or lower before.

> >

> > I don't know if has it on her website, but Dr. Brownstein has it

on his if she doesn't have it on hers.

> >

> > Glowing,

> >

> > grace~

> >

> > " It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking

system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before morning. " -

Henry Ford

> >

> > " When the government gets involved in the private sector and picks out

winners and losers, it screws up the whole market, " " The freedom and happiness

of man...[are] the

> > sole objects of all legitimate government. " -- Jefferson

> >

> >

> > Re: adrenal fatigue

> > Posted by: " Cochrane " juliemc9@ bifurbombur

> > Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:37 pm (PST)

> >

> >

> > I will try adding licorice root and go back to using an adrenal glandular.

> > The glandular didn't seem to make any difference last time I tried it.

> >

> > Could someone please give me a link for a good adrenal glandular?

> >

> > I can't tolerate polyunsaturated fatty acids - I get massive hair loss -

> > but I do eat fish, sardines, tuna and lots of grass-fed eggs. I don't eat

> > any grains, nor corn nor potatoes and rarely have sugar. I use stevia.

> >

> > I can't reduce my work hours at the moment, or in the near future, and it

> > is pretty much year-round. However, I got into a good routine of qi gong,

> > meditation, Korean Sun Do and stretching a few months ago and that was

> > really helping. Then I had to go away with work and didn't get back into

> > the routine. I also know a lot of it is a mind thing. I'm usually in

> > bed by 9.30pm but am up at 5am.

> >

> > I know I also have to do some liver cleansing because I had a RT3 issue

and

> > my hashimoto's antibodies have gone up quite a bit - but I never seem to

be

> > organised enough because I have to do it Friday so that I can spend

> > Saturday by the toilet but I look forward to eating when I get home

> > (healthy eating) on the Friday or just tend to forget. Must get more

> > organised.

> >

> > I have recovered heaps - couldn't have worked at all 18 months ago - but

> > want to get off the HC and get my antibodies down.

> >

> > Thanks for the suggestions.

> >

> >

> >

>

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I never tested my adrenals before taking Cytozyme AD. I was extremely fatigued and had issues with night time insomnia. It worked well for me.

Buist, ND HC

Re: adrenal fatigue> > > > > > > > > > Hi ,> > > > I started using the one that used - Biotics Research Cytozyme AD. I used 's, which helped for awhile, but then stopped working. I tried a number of others too, none of those worked. With this Biotics one, my temp is actually going up. I am up to 97.2 in the AM, from 96.2 in the AM. And 98.0 during the day, where I was at 97.0 or lower before. > > > > I don't know if has it on her website, but Dr. Brownstein has it on his if she doesn't have it on hers. > > > > Glowing,> > > > grace~> > > > "It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before morning."- Henry Ford > > > > "When the government gets involved in the private sector and picks out winners and losers, it screws up the whole market," "The freedom and happiness of man...[are] the > > sole objects of all legitimate government." -- Jefferson> > > > > > Re: adrenal fatigue > > Posted by: " Cochrane" juliemc9@ bifurbombur > > Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:37 pm (PST) > > > > > > I will try adding licorice root and go back to using an adrenal glandular.> > The glandular didn't seem to make any difference last time I tried it.> > > > Could someone please give me a link for a good adrenal glandular?> > > > I can't tolerate polyunsaturated fatty acids - I get massive hair loss -> > but I do eat fish, sardines, tuna and lots of grass-fed eggs. I don't eat> > any grains, nor corn nor potatoes and rarely have sugar. I use stevia.> > > > I can't reduce my work hours at the moment, or in the near future, and it> > is pretty much year-round. However, I got into a good routine of qi gong,> > meditation, Korean Sun Do and stretching a few months ago and that was> > really helping. Then I had to go away with work and didn't get back into> > the routine. I also know a lot of it is a mind thing. I'm usually in> > bed by 9.30pm but am up at 5am.> > > > I know I also have to do some liver cleansing because I had a RT3 issue and> > my hashimoto's antibodies have gone up quite a bit - but I never seem to be> > organised enough because I have to do it Friday so that I can spend> > Saturday by the toilet but I look forward to eating when I get home> > (healthy eating) on the Friday or just tend to forget. Must get more> > organised.> > > > I have recovered heaps - couldn't have worked at all 18 months ago - but> > want to get off the HC and get my antibodies down.> > > > Thanks for the suggestions.> > > > > >>

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Sorry to butt in but I did order this Cytozyme AD. Took it along with my Iodoral, all supplements and felt hyper, weird. Should I take it separately from all supplements? Sent from my iPadOn Mar 19, 2012, at 6:14 PM, " Buist, ND HC" <stephaniebnd@...> wrote:

I never tested my adrenals before taking Cytozyme AD. I was extremely fatigued and had issues with night time insomnia. It worked well for me.

Buist, ND HC

Re: adrenal fatigue> > > > > > > > > > Hi ,> > > > I started using the one that used - Biotics Research Cytozyme AD. I used 's, which helped for awhile, but then stopped working. I tried a number of others too, none of those worked. With this Biotics one, my temp is actually going up. I am up to 97.2 in the AM, from 96.2 in the AM. And 98.0 during the day, where I was at 97.0 or lower before. > > > > I don't know if has it on her website, but Dr. Brownstein has it on his if she doesn't have it on hers. > > > > Glowing,> > > > grace~> > > > "It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before morning."- Henry Ford > > > > "When the government gets involved in the private sector and picks out winners and losers, it screws up the whole market," "The freedom and happiness of man...[are] the > > sole objects of all legitimate government." -- Jefferson> > > > > > Re: adrenal fatigue > > Posted by: " Cochrane" juliemc9@ bifurbombur > > Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:37 pm (PST) > > > > > > I will try adding licorice root and go back to using an adrenal glandular.> > The glandular didn't seem to make any difference last time I tried it.> > > > Could someone please give me a link for a good adrenal glandular?> > > > I can't tolerate polyunsaturated fatty acids - I get massive hair loss -> > but I do eat fish, sardines, tuna and lots of grass-fed eggs. I don't eat> > any grains, nor corn nor potatoes and rarely have sugar. I use stevia.> > > > I can't reduce my work hours at the moment, or in the near future, and it> > is pretty much year-round. However, I got into a good routine of qi gong,> > meditation, Korean Sun Do and stretching a few months ago and that was> > really helping. Then I had to go away with work and didn't get back into> > the routine. I also know a lot of it is a mind thing. I'm usually in> > bed by 9.30pm but am up at 5am.> > > > I know I also have to do some liver cleansing because I had a RT3 issue and> > my hashimoto's antibodies have gone up quite a bit - but I never seem to be> > organised enough because I have to do it Friday so that I can spend> > Saturday by the toilet but I look forward to eating when I get home> > (healthy eating) on the Friday or just tend to forget. Must get more> > organised.> > > > I have recovered heaps - couldn't have worked at all 18 months ago - but> > want to get off the HC and get my antibodies down.> > > > Thanks for the suggestions.> > > > > >>

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I took 2 with 100 mgs of Iodoral and it didn't make me feel bad. Are you taking Vit C / Mag / Selenium with it? I took them with it as well.

Buist, ND HC

Re: adrenal fatigue> > > > > > > > > > Hi ,> > > > I started using the one that used - Biotics Research Cytozyme AD. I used 's, which helped for awhile, but then stopped working. I tried a number of others too, none of those worked. With this Biotics one, my temp is actually going up. I am up to 97.2 in the AM, from 96.2 in the AM. And 98.0 during the day, where I was at 97.0 or lower before. > > > > I don't know if has it on her website, but Dr. Brownstein has it on his if she doesn't have it on hers. > > > > Glowing,> > > > grace~> > > > "It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before morning."- Henry Ford > > > > "When the government gets involved in the private sector and picks out winners and losers, it screws up the whole market," "The freedom and happiness of man...[are] the > > sole objects of all legitimate government." -- Jefferson> > > > > > Re: adrenal fatigue > > Posted by: " Cochrane" juliemc9@ bifurbombur > > Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:37 pm (PST) > > > > > > I will try adding licorice root and go back to using an adrenal glandular.> > The glandular didn't seem to make any difference last time I tried it.> > > > Could someone please give me a link for a good adrenal glandular?> > > > I can't tolerate polyunsaturated fatty acids - I get massive hair loss -> > but I do eat fish, sardines, tuna and lots of grass-fed eggs. I don't eat> > any grains, nor corn nor potatoes and rarely have sugar. I use stevia.> > > > I can't reduce my work hours at the moment, or in the near future, and it> > is pretty much year-round. However, I got into a good routine of qi gong,> > meditation, Korean Sun Do and stretching a few months ago and that was> > really helping. Then I had to go away with work and didn't get back into> > the routine. I also know a lot of it is a mind thing. I'm usually in> > bed by 9.30pm but am up at 5am.> > > > I know I also have to do some liver cleansing because I had a RT3 issue and> > my hashimoto's antibodies have gone up quite a bit - but I never seem to be> > organised enough because I have to do it Friday so that I can spend> > Saturday by the toilet but I look forward to eating when I get home> > (healthy eating) on the Friday or just tend to forget. Must get more> > organised.> > > > I have recovered heaps - couldn't have worked at all 18 months ago - but> > want to get off the HC and get my antibodies down.> > > > Thanks for the suggestions.> > > > > >>

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