Re: Re: Will iodine improve the immune system?

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the best way to help auto-immune is low dose naltrexone

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Linn <mwm1glm@...> wrote:

 

It's not an overreaction of the immune system, more that conditions cause the immune system to become confused and attack the body.Linn> >> > > I was just wondering if iodine will improve the immune system for

> > > fighting infections without aggravating inappropriate immune responses> > > like allergies? I read Dr Brownsteins book and I remember him saying> > > iodine would help hashi's not make it worse, but what about other

> > > inappropriate immune responses?> > >> > > MJ> >> >>

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I was thinking about this last night and it occurred to me that it's like, the

immune system is weakened, and it's still trying to function, but it's really

weak,

so it has to shoot out a whole bunch of energy to try to get anything done, and

it

overshoots. It's like when people are really tired out and exhausted, and they

try

to get things done anyway, and they wind up irritable and sometimes say or do

things they didn't mean.

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On 28 Feb 2012 at 16:13, Linn wrote:

> It's not an overreaction of the immune system, more that conditions

> cause the immune system to become confused and attack the body.

>

> Linn

>

> > > > > > I was just wondering if

> iodine will improve the immune system for > > > fighting infections

> without aggravating inappropriate immune responses > > > like

> allergies? I read Dr Brownsteins book and I remember him saying > > >

> iodine would help hashi's not make it worse, but what about other > >

> > inappropriate immune responses? > > > > > > MJ > > > > >

>

>

>

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I was thinking about this last night and it occurred to me that it's like, the

immune system is weakened, and it's still trying to function, but it's really weak,

so it has to shoot out a whole bunch of energy to try to get anything done, and it

overshoots. It's like when people are really tired out and exhausted, and they try

to get things done anyway, and they wind up irritable and sometimes say or do

things they didn't mean.

--

On 28 Feb 2012 at 16:13, Linn wrote:

> It's not an overreaction of the immune system, more that conditions

> cause the immune system to become confused and attack the body.

>

> Linn

>

> > > > > > I was just wondering if

> iodine will improve the immune system for > > > fighting infections

> without aggravating inappropriate immune responses > > > like

> allergies? I read Dr Brownsteins book and I remember him saying > > >

> iodine would help hashi's not make it worse, but what about other > >

> > inappropriate immune responses? > > > > > > MJ > > > > >

>

>

>

>

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Linn, I respect your grasp of the issues involved, but the big unanswered

question is, why does the body go haywire and attack the wrong cells? Without

undergoing this scientific research, both TCM and Ayuvedic medicine have

great success with these problems because they view it fundamentally as a

weakness of the immune system. These diseases are primarily diseases of the

industrialized world, and in fact some of them can be used as indicators of how

far industrialization has gotten in a given society. imo the reason for the

epidemic of autoimmune diseases is environmental stress and the toxic

burden. Western medicine will NEVER admit this, because it's not profitable.

So their research is hobbled.

In any case, we range off topic and I'll refrain from further exposition

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On 29 Feb 2012 at 4:42, Linn wrote:

> Not weak but gone astray as in mistaking normal tissues as foreign

> proteins. Many doctors think leaky gut is a primary culprit for

> certain autoimmune diseases, the formation of auto-antibodies due to

> leaking of body tissue look-alike antigens. (Gluten and soybean

> proteins can cause Hashi's antibodies.) Or the viruses that can cause

> a mistaken attack.

>

> Autoimmune diseases In healthy individuals, the immune system reacts

> only to foreign proteins such as bacteria or viruses, which it

> destroys to protect the organism. The major weapons in this

> immunologic defense are white blood cells of a type called

> lymphocytes. The body produces billions of lymphocytes, each capable

> of recognizing a specific protein. Two major types of lymphocytes are

> the B-lymphocytes, which produce antibodies against foreign proteins,

> and T-lymphocytes, which send out chemical signals that activate a

> variety of defense mechanisms. As an individual's pool of lymphocytes

> grows in embryo, the body can identify and screen out those

> lymphocytes that have the dangerous potential to recognize and destroy

> its own tissues. This screening process allows the individual to

> become fully tolerant to " self " while retaining the ability to attack

> non-self proteins.

>

> In autoimmune diseases, some lymphocytes mistakenly identify certain

> normal tissues as foreign and make them the target of attack-the

> resulting disease being determined by the type of tissues under

> attack. For example, when rogue lymphocytes destroy the

> insulin-secreting cells of the pancreas, the result is diabetes; when

> they destroy the proteins of joint surfaces, they cause rheumatoid

> arthritis. Other common autoimmune diseases include multiple

> sclerosis, lupus erythematosus, psoriasis, and certain types of

> hyperthyroidism and destructive vascular disease. Thus, a group of

> puzzling disorders that at one time seemed unrelated to one another

> are now known to share the same fundamental etiology. This finding has

> set into motion an intense search for the mechanisms that cause

> lymphocytes to misbehave.

>

> One of the most suggestive findings comes from recent studies of

> juvenile diabetes in animals. These studies indicate that the normal

> immunologic attack on an invading bacterium can lead to a costly case

> of mistaken identity that culminates in juvenile diabetes. The story

> starts with the discovery of a link between juvenile diabetes (type 1

> diabetes) and infection with the relatively benign sackie virus, a

> common cause of colds and sore throats in children. After the

> sackie virus is broken down into small chains of amino acids by the

> immune system, some of those chains themselves also come under attack.

> But the structure of the viral fragments under attack is so similar to

> the structure of a protein on the insulin-producing cells of the

> pancreas that these cells are also treated as foreign by the immune

> system-and are damaged or destroyed. Juvenile diabetes is thought to

> be the result of this " molecular mimicry, " and the search is on to see

> whether additional reactions between an infectious agent and a protein

> component of other tissue, such as a joint surface, may be involved in

> triggering other autoimmune diseases.

>

> http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft5f59n9wc & chunk.

> id=d0e1799 & toc.id=d0e1596 & brand=ucpress

>

> Linn

>

> > > > > > I was just

> wondering if > > iodine will improve the immune system for > > >

> fighting infections > > without aggravating inappropriate immune

> responses > > > like > > allergies? I read Dr Brownsteins book and I

> remember him saying > > > > > iodine would help hashi's not make it

> worse, but what about other > > > > > inappropriate immune responses?

> > > > > > > MJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------ > > > > Owner: Buist,

> ND HC > > Moderators: Baker, Kathleen Blake, Donna Iler,

> Linn > > > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> group > > IodineOT/ > > > > > >

> The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) > >

> iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%2

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Re: Re: Will iodine improve the immune system?

Linn, I respect your grasp of the issues involved, but the big unanswered question is, why does the body go haywire and attack the wrong cells? Without undergoing this scientific research, both TCM and Ayuvedic medicine have great success with these problems because they view it fundamentally as a weakness of the immune system. These diseases are primarily diseases of the industrialized world, and in fact some of them can be used as indicators of how far industrialization has gotten in a given society. imo the reason for the epidemic of autoimmune diseases is environmental stress and the toxic burden. Western medicine will NEVER admit this, because it's not profitable. So their research is hobbled. In any case, we range off topic and I'll refrain from further exposition --moderatorOn 29 Feb 2012 at 4:42, Linn wrote:> Not weak but gone astray as in mistaking normal tissues as foreign> proteins. Many doctors think leaky gut is a primary culprit for> certain autoimmune diseases, the formation of auto-antibodies due to> leaking of body tissue look-alike antigens. (Gluten and soybean> proteins can cause Hashi's antibodies.) Or the viruses that can cause> a mistaken attack. > > Autoimmune diseases In healthy individuals, the immune system reacts> only to foreign proteins such as bacteria or viruses, which it> destroys to protect the organism. The major weapons in this> immunologic defense are white blood cells of a type called> lymphocytes. The body produces billions of lymphocytes, each capable> of recognizing a specific protein. Two major types of lymphocytes are> the B-lymphocytes, which produce antibodies against foreign proteins,> and T-lymphocytes, which send out chemical signals that activate a> variety of defense mechanisms. As an individual's pool of lymphocytes> grows in embryo, the body can identify and screen out those> lymphocytes that have the dangerous potential to recognize and destroy> its own tissues. This screening process allows the individual to> become fully tolerant to "self" while retaining the ability to attack> non-self proteins.> > In autoimmune diseases, some lymphocytes mistakenly identify certain> normal tissues as foreign and make them the target of attack-the> resulting disease being determined by the type of tissues under> attack. For example, when rogue lymphocytes destroy the> insulin-secreting cells of the pancreas, the result is diabetes; when> they destroy the proteins of joint surfaces, they cause rheumatoid> arthritis. Other common autoimmune diseases include multiple> sclerosis, lupus erythematosus, psoriasis, and certain types of> hyperthyroidism and destructive vascular disease. Thus, a group of> puzzling disorders that at one time seemed unrelated to one another> are now known to share the same fundamental etiology. This finding has> set into motion an intense search for the mechanisms that cause> lymphocytes to misbehave.> > One of the most suggestive findings comes from recent studies of> juvenile diabetes in animals. These studies indicate that the normal> immunologic attack on an invading bacterium can lead to a costly case> of mistaken identity that culminates in juvenile diabetes. The story> starts with the discovery of a link between juvenile diabetes (type 1> diabetes) and infection with the relatively benign sackie virus, a> common cause of colds and sore throats in children. After the> sackie virus is broken down into small chains of amino acids by the> immune system, some of those chains themselves also come under attack.> But the structure of the viral fragments under attack is so similar to> the structure of a protein on the insulin-producing cells of the> pancreas that these cells are also treated as foreign by the immune> system-and are damaged or destroyed. Juvenile diabetes is thought to> be the result of this "molecular mimicry," and the search is on to see> whether additional reactions between an infectious agent and a protein> component of other tissue, such as a joint surface, may be involved in> triggering other autoimmune diseases.> > http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft5f59n9wc & chunk.> id=d0e1799 & toc.id=d0e1596 & brand=ucpress> > Linn> > > > > > > I was just> wondering if > > iodine will improve the immune system for > > >> fighting infections > > without aggravating inappropriate immune> responses > > > like > > allergies? I read Dr Brownsteins book and I> remember him saying > > > > > iodine would help hashi's not make it> worse, but what about other > > > > > inappropriate immune responses?> > > > > > > MJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> ------------------------------------ > > > > Owner: Buist,> ND HC > > Moderators: Baker, Kathleen Blake, Donna Iler,> Linn > > > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT> group > > IodineOT/ > > > > > >> The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) > >> iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%2> > > 0-%20READ%20FIRST/