Re: Re: More help with Iodoral needed

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Thank you, Linn. I'll try as well. I'm taking Milk thistle 3 pill 175 mcg each. Is that enough?Sent from my iPadOn Feb 28, 2012, at 12:45 PM, "Linn" <mwm1glm@...> wrote:

Try backing the dose down, you can split Iodoral into 4 pieces if needed. Try adding just a quarter of a tab as an increase and see if that helps. Adding in liver support would help also.

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> Hello again everyone, thank you for your help on all my previous issues. I need some more help with Iodoral. I have increased Iodoral from 12.5 to 25 three days ago. My throat tightness, severe insomnia, severe achiness in my fibrocystic breast, achiness in my ears, swollen lymph node all came back. Does this mean, I'm not tolerating the higher dose? I googled Iodoral and insomnia and found some info on Curezone, Ehow and other sites that if I have severe symptoms like insomnia, achiness, swollen lymph etc, I shludl stop iodine and work on my adrenals first by taking Vit. C, Omega 3, Ashwaganda etc. is that true?

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> I need to hear about others experiences with this and what's the best suggested path on this. I'm talking all recommended nutrients and Celtic sea salt.

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> I appear. A bit drunk from the lack of sleep and am getting moody and depressed. I'm taking Iodoral in the morning by 10am.

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> Thank you again.

> Agnes

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I'm taking Natures Bounty taking 1 pill 175 mcg 3x a day.Sent from my iPadOn Feb 28, 2012, at 9:23 PM, "Linn" <mwm1glm@...> wrote:

What brand of milk thistle? Also are you taking in divided doses and on an empty stomach?

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> > > Hello again everyone, thank you for your help on all my previous issues. I need some more help with Iodoral. I have increased Iodoral from 12.5 to 25 three days ago. My throat tightness, severe insomnia, severe achiness in my fibrocystic breast, achiness in my ears, swollen lymph node all came back. Does this mean, I'm not tolerating the higher dose? I googled Iodoral and insomnia and found some info on Curezone, Ehow and other sites that if I have severe symptoms like insomnia, achiness, swollen lymph etc, I shludl stop iodine and work on my adrenals first by taking Vit. C, Omega 3, Ashwaganda etc. is that true?

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I've read that the milk thistle is estrogenic is that true? Just concerned with the breast cancer in the family...thanks.

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From: Linn <mwm1glm@...>iodine Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012 1:23 PMSubject: Re: More help with Iodoral needed

What brand of milk thistle? Also are you taking in divided doses and on an empty stomach? LinnModerator> > >> > > Hello again everyone, thank you for your help on all my previous issues. I need some more help with Iodoral. I have increased Iodoral from 12.5 to 25 three days ago. My throat tightness, severe insomnia, severe achiness in my fibrocystic breast, achiness in my ears, swollen lymph node all came back. Does this mean, I'm not tolerating the higher dose? I googled Iodoral and insomnia and found some info on Curezone, Ehow and other sites that if I have severe symptoms like insomnia, achiness, swollen lymph etc, I shludl stop iodine and work on my adrenals first by taking Vit. C, Omega 3, Ashwaganda etc. is that true? > > > > > > I need to hear about others experiences with this and what's the best suggested path on this. I'm talking all recommended nutrients and Celtic sea salt. >

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I have also wondered about milk thistle and its estrogenic effects. Along the same lines, I keep wondering about the cabbage family of foods. Some health proponents recommend 3 cups a day of them for their sulphur. Where do the moderators stand on whether or not to include these goitrogens in our diets? Avoid? Or moderation?Thanks,Kim From: Hutchings <barbarellahutch@...> "iodine " <iodine > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:38 PM Subject: Re: Re: More help with Iodoral needed

I've read that the milk thistle is estrogenic is that true? Just concerned with the breast cancer in the family...thanks.

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From: Linn <mwm1glm@...>iodine Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012 1:23 PMSubject: Re: More help with Iodoral needed

What brand of milk thistle? Also are you taking in divided doses and on an empty stomach? LinnModerator> > >> > > Hello again everyone, thank you for your help on all my previous issues. I need some more help with Iodoral. I have increased Iodoral from 12.5 to 25 three days ago. My throat tightness, severe insomnia, severe achiness in my fibrocystic breast, achiness in my ears, swollen lymph node all came back. Does this mean, I'm not tolerating the higher dose? I googled Iodoral and insomnia and found some info on Curezone, Ehow and other sites that if I have severe symptoms like insomnia, achiness, swollen lymph etc, I shludl stop iodine and work on my adrenals first by taking Vit. C, Omega 3, Ashwaganda etc. is that true? > > > > > > I need to hear about others experiences with this and what's the best suggested path on this. I'm talking all recommended nutrients and Celtic sea salt. >

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Hi Kim,

For me, broccoli, spinach, cauliflower,cabbage, brussel sprouts and other vegetables that have goitrogens have so many other valuable nutrients, vitamins and minerals, that I eat them daily. There are two I won't ever eat; peanuts because they are notoriously high in aftlatoxin the carcinogenic mold that can lead to liver cancer, and soy.

For me, it's all about balance.

Best,

Kathleen

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Re: More help with Iodoral needed

What brand of milk thistle? Also are you taking in divided doses and on an empty stomach? LinnModerator> > >> > > Hello again everyone, thank you for your help on all my previous issues. I need some more help with Iodoral. I have increased Iodoral from 12.5 to 25 three days ago. My throat tightness, severe insomnia, severe achiness in my fibrocystic breast, achiness in my ears, swollen lymph node all came back. Does this mean, I'm not tolerating the higher dose? I googled Iodoral and insomnia and found some info on Curezone, Ehow and other sites that if I have severe symptoms like insomnia, achiness, swollen lymph etc, I shludl stop iodine and work on my adrenals first by taking Vit. C, Omega 3, Ashwaganda etc. is that true? > > > > > > I need to hear about others experiences with this and what's the best suggested path on this. I'm talking all recommended nutrients and Celtic sea salt. > > > > > > I appear. A bit drunk from the lack of sleep and am getting moody and depressed. I'm taking Iodoral in the morning by 10am. > > > > > > Thank you again.> > > Agnes> > >> > > > > > > > > > TODAY(Beta) • Powered by > > Oprah recycles sequined s gown> > Oprah Winfrey loved this shimmery scoop-necked number so much, she wore it twice.> > Privacy Policy>

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Anyone have insight into the milk thistle/estrogen issue?-Kim From: Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...> iodine Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:08 PM Subject: Re: Re: More help with Iodoral needed



Hi Kim,

For me, broccoli, spinach, cauliflower,cabbage, brussel sprouts and other vegetables that have goitrogens have so many other valuable nutrients, vitamins and minerals, that I eat them daily. There are two I won't ever eat; peanuts because they are notoriously high in aftlatoxin the carcinogenic mold that can lead to liver cancer, and soy.

For me, it's all about balance.

Best,

Kathleen

moderator

Re: More help with Iodoral needed

What brand of milk thistle? Also are you taking in divided doses and on an empty stomach? LinnModerator> > >> > > Hello again everyone, thank you for your help on all my previous issues. I need some more help with Iodoral. I have increased Iodoral from 12.5 to 25 three days ago. My throat tightness, severe insomnia, severe achiness in my fibrocystic breast, achiness in my ears, swollen lymph node all came back. Does this mean, I'm not tolerating the higher dose? I googled Iodoral and insomnia and found some info on Curezone, Ehow and other sites that if I have severe symptoms like insomnia, achiness, swollen lymph etc, I shludl stop iodine and work on my adrenals first by taking Vit. C, Omega 3, Ashwaganda etc. is that true? > > > > > > I need to hear about others experiences with this and what's the best suggested path on this. I'm talking all recommended nutrients and Celtic sea salt. > > > > > > I appear. A bit drunk from the lack of sleep and am getting moody and depressed. I'm taking Iodoral in the morning by 10am. > > > > > > Thank you again.> > > Agnes> > >> > > > > > > > > > TODAY(Beta) • Powered by > > Oprah recycles sequined s gown> > Oprah Winfrey loved this shimmery scoop-necked number so much, she wore it twice.> > Privacy Policy>

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Yes, the moderators of the Iodine list recommend balance, which means

definitely we eat the range of the so-called goitrogens (I have my doubts about

that list, frankly). Many people, however, are avoiding all soy, or avoiding

all soy

except fermented forms, or only organic... it varies what people choose with

soy.

But the cabbage-family veggies are highly nutritious and valuable.

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On 29 Feb 2012 at 15:08, Kathleen Blake wrote:

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> vitamins and minerals, that I eat them daily. There are two I won't

> ever eat; peanuts because they are notoriously high in aftlatoxin the

> carcinogenic mold that can lead to liver cancer, and soy.

> For me, it's all about balance.

> Best,

> Kathleen

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> > > Hello again everyone, thank you for your help on all my previous

> issues. I need some more help with Iodoral. I have increased Iodoral

> from 12.5 to 25 three days ago. My throat tightness, severe insomnia,

> severe achiness in my fibrocystic breast, achiness in my ears, swollen

> lymph node all came back. Does this mean, I'm not tolerating the

> higher dose? I googled Iodoral and insomnia and found some info on

> Curezone, Ehow and other sites that if I have severe symptoms like

> insomnia, achiness, swollen lymph etc, I shludl stop iodine and work

> on my adrenals first by taking Vit. C, Omega 3, Ashwaganda etc. is

> that true? > > > > > > I need to hear about others experiences with

> this and what's the best suggested path on this. I'm talking all

> recommended nutrients and Celtic sea salt. > > > > > > I appear. A bit

> drunk from the lack of sleep and am getting moody and depressed. I'm

> taking Iodoral in the morning by 10am. > > > > > > Thank you again. >

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I believe bok choy is anti estrogenic.....if that helps and apparently the indole 3 from cabbage is beneficial too..

From: Kim Fyfe <kimfyfe@...>"iodine " <iodine > Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2012 3:10 AMSubject: Re: Re: More help with Iodoral needed

I have also wondered about milk thistle and its estrogenic effects.

Along the same lines, I keep wondering about the cabbage family of foods. Some health proponents recommend 3 cups a day of them for their sulphur. Where do the moderators stand on whether or not to include these goitrogens in our diets? Avoid? Or moderation?

Thanks,

Kim

From: Hutchings <barbarellahutch@...>"iodine " <iodine > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:38 PMSubject: Re: Re: More help with Iodoral needed

I've read that the milk thistle is estrogenic is that true? Just concerned with the breast cancer in the family...thanks.

.

From: Linn <mwm1glm@...>iodine Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012 1:23 PMSubject: Re: More help with Iodoral needed

What brand of milk thistle? Also are you taking in divided doses and on an empty stomach? LinnModerator> > >> > > Hello again everyone, thank you for your help on all my previous issues. I need some more help with Iodoral. I have increased Iodoral from 12.5 to 25 three days ago. My throat tightness, severe insomnia, severe achiness in my fibrocystic breast, achiness in my ears, swollen lymph node all came back. Does this mean, I'm not tolerating the higher dose? I googled Iodoral and insomnia and found some info on Curezone, Ehow and other sites that if I have severe symptoms like insomnia, achiness, swollen lymph etc, I shludl stop iodine and work on my adrenals first by taking Vit. C, Omega 3, Ashwaganda etc. is that true? > > > > > > I need to hear about others experiences with this and what's the best suggested path on this. I'm talking all recommended nutrients and Celtic sea salt. >

> > > > > I appear. A bit drunk from the lack of sleep and am getting moody and depressed. I'm taking Iodoral in the morning by 10am. > > > > > > Thank you again.> > > Agnes> > >> > > > > > > > > > TODAY(Beta) • Powered by > > Oprah recycles sequined s gown> > Oprah Winfrey loved this shimmery scoop-necked number so much, she wore it twice.> > Privacy Policy>

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Thanks for the that link, Linn, it's great to get that key.

For those who haven't seen the video yet, the key is, the fear of raw

cruciferous

vegetables is all based on one study that was done in 1983. The truth was

revealed later when more research was done, but that truth did not gain traction

in the health community the same way that the fear did.

If one is iodine deficient, then raw cruicif. veggies could suppress iodine

uptake.

But if one is supplmenting with iodine and therefore not deficient, then there

is

no concern and there is no goitrogenic effect. There is a threshold.

period. btw this vindicates my point of view, which is that when that

" information " about goitrogenicity of raw cruciferous vegges came out I rejected

it on the grounds of absurdity. However, it is dependent on the body having

enough iodine. The body is SUPPOSED to have enough iodine, and it's only

because of various issues having to do with a difficulty of finding this

essential

mineral, commodification of food production and demineralization of the soils,

narrowing of the human diet, and the demonization of iodine that humans are so

deficient in iodine on such a large scale.

This goes back to the fact that when Lugol's was invented and then utilized by

medicine, it had the potential to wipe out thyroid disease. Instead, because of

a

medical fraud, iodine was demonized instead. My mind goes to these larger

arcs of history whenever we are confronted anew with the ways that Western

medical focus on infinitesimal details and parts and neglect of the whole, or

the

holistic, has been and continues to be a problem for human health.

In any case, those who are supplementing with iodine should have NO FEAR

about raw cruciferous veggies, and in fact should revel in them as a great

anticancer food.

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On 1 Mar 2012 at 4:47, Linn wrote:

> I agree with Kathleen, the benefits far out weigh any worries,

> particularly for those supplementing with iodine I don't think it's an

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> This was interesting:

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> http://renegadehealth.com/blog/2009/08/07/the-real-effect-of-raw-cruci

> ferous-vegetables-on-the-thyroid/

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> > > > > > > > > Hello again

> everyone, thank you for your help on all my previous issues. I need

> some more help with Iodoral. I have increased Iodoral from 12.5 to 25

> three days ago. My throat tightness, severe insomnia, severe achiness

> in my fibrocystic breast, achiness in my ears, swollen lymph node all

> came back. Does this mean, I'm not tolerating the higher dose? I

> googled Iodoral and insomnia and found some info on Curezone, Ehow and

> other sites that if I have severe symptoms like insomnia, achiness,

> swollen lymph etc, I shludl stop iodine and work on my adrenals first

> by taking Vit. C, Omega 3, Ashwaganda etc. is that true? > > > > >

> > > > I need to hear about others experiences with this and what's the

> best suggested path on this. I'm talking all recommended nutrients and

> Celtic sea salt. > > > > > > > > I appear. A bit drunk from the

> lack of sleep and am getting moody and depressed. I'm taking Iodoral

> in the morning by 10am. > > > > > > > > Thank you again. > > > >

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THANK YOU!!! That really cleared things up for me. -Kim From: Linn <mwm1glm@...> iodine Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 10:47 PM Subject: Re: More help with Iodoral needed

I agree with Kathleen, the benefits far out weigh any worries, particularly for those supplementing with iodine I don't think it's an issue.

This was interesting:

http://renegadehealth.com/blog/2009/08/07/the-real-effect-of-raw-cruciferous-vegetables-on-the-thyroid/

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> > > > Hello again everyone, thank you for your help on all my previous issues. I need some more help with Iodoral. I have increased Iodoral from 12.5 to 25 three days ago. My throat tightness, severe insomnia, severe achiness in my fibrocystic breast, achiness in my ears, swollen lymph node all came back. Does this mean, I'm not tolerating the higher dose? I googled Iodoral and insomnia and found some info on Curezone, Ehow and other sites that if I have severe symptoms like insomnia, achiness, swollen lymph etc, I shludl stop iodine and work on my adrenals first by taking Vit. C, Omega 3, Ashwaganda etc. is that true?

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> > > > I need to hear about others experiences with this and what's the best suggested path on this. I'm talking all recommended nutrients and Celtic sea salt.

> > > >

> > > > I appear. A bit drunk from the lack of sleep and am getting moody and depressed. I'm taking Iodoral in the morning by 10am.

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> > > > Thank you again.

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