Guest guest Posted January 13, 2001 Report Share Posted January 13, 2001 Hi! I think the best thing you can do, is do some research on Vitamin C. There is lots of it around and it will give you a better idea of what Vitamin C is and does and the dosages used. 1000 mg (milligrams) is actually the same as 1 gram. So, if you are taking 20 mg that is 1/500 of a gram. An orange has approximately 30 - 40 mg. If your body is completely depleted of Vitamin C, it will never catch up on really small doses and you will probably not notice any difference. As a previous post indicated, it can leave your body within 4 hours, so in order to have Vitamin C in your system at all times, it would be a good idea to take whatever amount you decide on, every four hours. I think it also helps to eat an orange a day to get the bioflavonoids from the white part of the orange. I can't recall where I got it from, but I'm under the impression that bioflavonoids help the body to absorb Vitamin C. I changed my routine and now take 500 mg 8 times a day for a total of 4 grams. I have often taken 8 grams a day, 4 grams in the morning and 4 grams in the evening and not noticed any side effects. I do notice when I don't take if for a day or so. I get disoriented and tired. Merle lbinujrsy@... wrote: > I questioned yesterday on this list about taking high doses of vit c to > produce diarrhea for detox and which kind of vit c I should be taking for > this. I got messages back saying sometimes you need to take 10-20mg's of vit > c to produce the effect of diarrhea. Isn't this much vit c bad for our > livers or something? I remember someone else posting about the bad things > vit c can do if taken in high doses but I can't remember exactly what bad > things happen and which type of vit c caused the bad effects. Anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2001 Report Share Posted January 13, 2001 >I changed my routine and now take 500 mg 8 times a day for a total of >4 grams. I have often taken 8 grams a day, 4 grams in the morning and >4 grams in the evening and not noticed any side >effects. I do notice when I don't take if for a day or so. I get disoriented >and tired. Merle, I think I remember (with this DX who knows for sure?!) someone saying to avoid Vit C at bedtime because it can cause problems with sleep. Do you notice this at all? It seems to me that one would WANT vit C at work while we are sleeping and our bodies are hard at work cleaning up after the day. -Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2001 Report Share Posted January 13, 2001 I think I remember (with this DX who knows for sure?!) someone saying to avoid Vit C at bedtime because it can cause problems with sleep. Theresa, I take 2 gms every night at bedtime along with 1/4 tsp bicarb and it helps my breathing and I sleep much better for it. Can't sleep without it. Donna in NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2001 Report Share Posted June 1, 2001 Cheney talks about not taking massive Vit C - bc of some kind of " coupling " with glutathione, I think. You would have to search the archives...or maybe the Dallas Fort Worth site? > I am considering trying high doses of Vitamin C for awhile. Anyone tried this > or know of any reason not to? > > ``KRISTINA`` Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2001 Report Share Posted June 1, 2001 I was under the impression that large doses of Vitamin C also stimulated Interferon production, which in turn can increase Th2 immune response. (Not what you want) I've tried high dose Vitamin C in the past (up to 10 grams per day) and quit because it made me significantly sicker. lindaj@... Vitamin C I am considering trying high doses of Vitamin C for awhile. Anyone tried this or know of any reason not to? ``KRISTINA`` So little trouble do men take in search for the truth;so readily do they accept whatever comes first to hand. Thucydides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2001 Report Share Posted June 1, 2001 I'm taking 4-5grams of VitC/day. Here's a quote from the book Tired of Being Tired, Overcoming Chronic Fatigue & Low Energy by Michail A Schmidt. ( A book which I highly recommend). " Vitamin C is important in immune function, manufacture of connective tissue, detoxification, and many other functions. Deficiency of vitamin C has also been associated with fatigue... " Signs and symptoms of vitamin C deficiency include 1.. fatigue 2.. easy bruising 3.. malaise 4.. poor wound healing 5.. infections 6.. bleeding gums 7.. tiredness 8.. loose teeth 9.. depression 10.. frequent colds " buffered forms of vitamin C canalso be taken at higher doses without concern of leaching trace elements from the body. Ester-C, which was developed in the 1980's, has been shown to be taken up more rapiudly into white blood cells,and therefore may be a very good oral source of vitamin C. " Hope this helps. Another book that I stongly recommend is called, The Brain Wellness Plan (sounds wierd, I know) by Dr Jay Lombard. I followed the supplements outlined in the chapter for ppl with CFS and experienced at least a 30% reduction in symptoms. This was the first real turning point in my recovery. Good luck Vitamin C I am considering trying high doses of Vitamin C for awhile. Anyone tried this or know of any reason not to? ``KRISTINA`` So little trouble do men take in search for the truth;so readily do they accept whatever comes first to hand. Thucydides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2001 Report Share Posted June 2, 2001 see it at : http://pages.cthome.net/xx/wheyala.htm >> Cheney talks about not taking massive Vit C - bc of some kind of " coupling " Bob Joy , http://pages.cthome.net/xx/guait.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2001 Report Share Posted June 4, 2001 I'm regards to high dose Vit C. I had very good results taking it I.V.drip 60gm. w/ calcium in a saline solution..I did the treatment once a week for at least 10 treatments , and found one treatment built on the next, and helped me to get to a much higher level of functioning..so maybe I was toxic with substances that my body was unable to detox on it's own.. I would feel better as the IV progressed, a cooling down of my imflammation at that time, it always amazed me.. but like all things, it agreed with me , and made some sick to there stomachs..I had aready done alot of GI detox and cleansing so maybe this is why I didn't have this side affect..also at the first sign of an excaserbation, or the flu I would go and have an IV. it would abort it.. that way I never had to miss work.. Hope this helps..and oh ya , I never experienced this much relief from oral doses, I was told by my DR.s nurse that you can't get enough in your system to really make this kind of difference..so far this has been true for me.. Carol Re: Vitamin C > Cheney talks about not taking massive Vit C - bc of some kind of " coupling " > with glutathione, I think. You would have to search the archives...or maybe > the Dallas Fort Worth site? > > > I am considering trying high doses of Vitamin C for awhile. Anyone tried > this > > or know of any reason not to? > > > > ``KRISTINA`` > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Sage, Vit C=Ascorbic Acid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Thank you . I need all the help I can get. ¸..·´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 Hello, One other thing you might try in this area is time-release Ester C with bioflavonoids. I used to get epigastric pains with vitamin C, but this time release version cured that. This might allow you to take the recommended 3000 mg of vitamin C to maintain proper adrenal function. Du Pre Website: http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/isaiah40soaringeagle/index.html " By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 ; I am very gung-ho on vit c, but I can't recall ever seeing a product like the one you mention. Do you have a brand name? Thanks, Adrienne Re: Vitamin C Hello, One other thing you might try in this area is time-release Ester C with bioflavonoids. I used to get epigastric pains with vitamin C, but this time release version cured that. This might allow you to take the recommended 3000 mg of vitamin C to maintain proper adrenal function. Du Pre Website: http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/isaiah40soaringeagle/index.html " By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 No but there are simple methods to check for yourself wich dose vitamine C. is sufficient and good for you. Sometimes you get also too much and get then diarea etc. I have the protocol how to measure this personal in Dutch but maybe someone, Leonard, , moonbeam of this list also have this test in English? Gr. kees braam > > Does anyone know what percent of Vitamin C is absorbed into the > bloodstream when taken orally? > > > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. > Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by > visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 hi i found a great site that may be helpful to you...its called net doctor i know if u smoke cigs it takes out milagrams from the cig...dimples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 > Is it ever possible for vitamin C to be harmful in CFS, particularly if given intravenously? Thanks. > Laurel For some, you need to be careful about the source of Vit C. My son is allergic to corn, which is the source for many Vit C products and IV solutions. Many use a beet derived Vit C. I have a friend who has Lyme and FMS. She just received an IV of high dose Vit C. She had an allergic reaction, which is rare but can happen. Her face became very puffy, broke out with sores all over and had an big increase in her pain. I know of another that these IV's decreased her pain and increased her energy. We all react so differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 's right -- we all react differently. I know this is controversial, but I did see Dr. Weil on the Today show yesterday say that the human body can only adsorb 200 mgs of vitamin C a day. Not sure where he got that figure, but they were talking about the latest research on that and other vitamins and minerals. It's my understanding that C will lower copper levels, and help increase iron absorption, which can both be good or bad, depending on one's current levels of just those two minerals. It is also my understanding that one needs manganese (not magnesium) in order for vitamin C to work properly... dan > > Is it ever possible for vitamin C to be harmful in CFS, particularly > if given intravenously? Thanks. > > Laurel > > For some, you need to be careful about the source of Vit C. My son is > allergic to corn, which is the source for many Vit C products and IV > solutions. Many use a beet derived Vit C. > > I have a friend who has Lyme and FMS. She just received an IV of high > dose Vit C. She had an allergic reaction, which is rare but can > happen. Her face became very puffy, broke out with sores all over and > had an big increase in her pain. I know of another that these IV's > decreased her pain and increased her energy. We all react so differently. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 You can fully absorb only 200 mg of vitamin c. This means only that the percentage falls as the dose is increased. If you take one gram of C, you will certainly absorb much more than 200 mg. I have pursued this subject for years, but there is no agreement on the ideal dose of C. From testing of animals that synthesize their own C, it would appear that a 150 pound person might normally require about 8,000 mg/day, but perhaps two or three times that amount when stressed by infection or toxin. I have used 8 grams a day for 30 years without any mineral problem. I know another person who has used 20 grams a day for about 30 years without any mineral problem...only benefits to cardiovascular health, connective tissue and immune functions. Any substance in excess can be dangerous to health, but I have not seen convincing evidence about the upper limit for vitamin C. Mel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 the issue is near here or there - if you have poor absorption you may need higher levels so its very much an individual thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 " The Linus ing Institute recommends a vitamin C intake of at least 400 mg daily--the amount that has been found to fully saturate plasma and circulating cells with vitamin C in young, healthy nonsmokers " http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminC/index.html#lpi_recommend Also read 'The Difference Between Dr. Linus ing's Recommendations and the Linus ing Institute's Recommendation for Vitamin C Intake': http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/paulingrec.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Blake, I receive mailings from the ing Institute. It is the NIH that recommends 400 mg/day of C. If you trust the government to tell you what is good for your health, good luck. On this issue, I have looked for some authority for 30 years...without success. Until I find a better way, I will extrapolate from data on animals that " know " how much c they need and produce that. Mel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Hi Mel, The quote was from the Linus ing Institute website. They recommend at least 400 mg for healthy individuals. Maybe people with CFS need more? Smokers certainly need more. I personally think the idea that some animals synthesize such high levels is irrelevant to humans. I feel happy with 500 mg, twice daily and would prefer to balance out supplementation with a range of nutrients and antioxidants rather than focusing on mega doses of vitamin C. I think we should be more concerned with our levels of vitamin D and selenium. Higher doses of vitamin C do produce temporarily higher levels in blood and of course higher levels in the gut and urinary system, all of which may be beneficial. I am also a fan of intravenous vitamin C. Blake Mel Baldwin wrote: > Blake, I receive mailings from the ing Institute. It is the NIH > that recommends 400 mg/day of C. If you trust the government to tell > you what is good for your health, good luck. On this issue, I have > looked for some authority for 30 years...without success. Until I find > a better way, I will extrapolate from data on animals that " know " how > much c they need and produce that. Mel > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Interesting, I was just thinking about this today, how animals produce C. Well, because of that, when some animals take more salt, stay at the salt lick, they are getting the salt/c effect! Because they already have the C. --Kurt Re: Re: Vitamin C Hi Mel, The quote was from the Linus ing Institute website. They recommend at least 400 mg for healthy individuals. Maybe people with CFS need more? Smokers certainly need more. I personally think the idea that some animals synthesize such high levels is irrelevant to humans. I feel happy with 500 mg, twice daily and would prefer to balance out supplementation with a range of nutrients and antioxidants rather than focusing on mega doses of vitamin C. I think we should be more concerned with our levels of vitamin D and selenium. Higher doses of vitamin C do produce temporarily higher levels in blood and of course higher levels in the gut and urinary system, all of which may be beneficial. I am also a fan of intravenous vitamin C. Blake Mel Baldwin wrote: > Blake, I receive mailings from the ing Institute. It is the NIH > that recommends 400 mg/day of C. If you trust the government to tell > you what is good for your health, good luck. On this issue, I have > looked for some authority for 30 years...without success. Until I find > a better way, I will extrapolate from data on animals that " know " how > much c they need and produce that. Mel > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Good evening Blake, Just so you know were on the same page, I would set the minimum for c at two grams...a little more than you take. I also take selenium , vitamin D, and many more. I have been very careful over a long period of time in putting this regimen together... and I still trust my dogs more than I trust the government agencies who are supposed to be concerned with our health. Nite, Mel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Hi Can people tell me nutritionally what are the best things for thyroid and Adrenal glands??? Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 A cheap source of iodine can be found in kelp...which is a gold mine of other trace minerals. Likewise, alfalfa is like a mineral pump, pulling trace minerals from very deep in the soil where they havent yet been depleted. Both are available in inexpensive pill form. Mel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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