Confused

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Dear Mel, The "Lap" myotomy is one performed keyhole with the 5 insertions. The alternative would be an open procedure with a large single incision. The fundoplication is the wrap. It is called that because it is the fundus of the stomach, the top part where gas normally gathers, which is used to wrap around the oesophagus to help to prevent acid from rising from the stomach and causing reflux pain and damage. Liquid diet 4 days before the op and until you have had the barium swallow after the op to check for leaks, then a mushy diet for a month, if you want to do the best for yourself. Love from Ann

XXmel231165 <jamkirkhamgate@...> wrote: Hi all, I printed off the questions to ask my consultant next week when I go see him for the first time, I think somewhere along the line I have become confused about the different types of operations. Can anyone explain the differenceI thought there was key hole, but not sure what happens other than five holes being made in the stomach area and hellior myotomy which is a cut below the breast bone. Whats fundoplication and what is a wrap,

What is the wrap for. Is laproscopic what I refer to as key hole. Sorry I just seem to have got myself confused with all the information. Also will I need to follow a liquid diet before and after the op regardless of which one I have.I seem to go through times when I cannot stop eating and never feel full then other times I don't want to eat because I'm sick of eating but keep eating because I now can, I'm really worried that I'm getting into really bad eating habits and routines. I have put on weight which is a good thing but I didn't mind being the weight I was. Just one of those days today, I think it's because the appointment is coming up, brings it all back, i'm feeling a bit weepy and sorry for myself but annoyed because at least I'm doing well compared to some. I think I must have too much time on my hands. Mel thanks Mel

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Great explaining Ann

Mel if you would like to see visually on the outside ,I have posted

pics of my son 's incision pictures after both the key hole(5

small incisons) and the open myotomy (1 large incision).Most people

have the lapro done first and dont need the open.Only in few cases

do they need to go that route.The photos are on last page I think.

Tonia

> Hi all,

> I printed off the questions to ask my consultant next week when I

go

> see him for the first time, I think somewhere along the line I

have

> become confused about the different types of operations. Can

anyone

> explain the difference

>

> I thought there was key hole, but not sure what happens other than

> five holes being made in the stomach area and hellior myotomy

which is

> a cut below the breast bone. Whats fundoplication and what is a

wrap,

> What is the wrap for. Is laproscopic what I refer to as key hole.

> Sorry I just seem to have got myself confused with all the

> information. Also will I need to follow a liquid diet before and

after

> the op regardless of which one I have.

>

> I seem to go through times when I cannot stop eating and never

feel

> full then other times I don't want to eat because I'm sick of

eating

> but keep eating because I now can, I'm really worried that I'm

getting

> into really bad eating habits and routines. I have put on weight

which

> is a good thing but I didn't mind being the weight I was. Just one

of

> those days today, I think it's because the appointment is coming

up,

> brings it all back, i'm feeling a bit weepy and sorry for myself

but

> annoyed because at least I'm doing well compared to some. I think

I

> must have too much time on my hands.

>

> Mel

>

> thanks Mel

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Mel if you would like me to call you and talk to you about your questions I would be very willing to do so. in Georgiamel231165 <jamkirkhamgate@...> wrote: Hi all, I printed off the questions to ask my consultant next week when I go see him for the first time, I think somewhere along the line I have become confused about the different types of operations. Can anyone explain the differenceI thought there was key hole, but not sure what happens other

than five holes being made in the stomach area and hellior myotomy which is a cut below the breast bone. Whats fundoplication and what is a wrap, What is the wrap for. Is laproscopic what I refer to as key hole. Sorry I just seem to have got myself confused with all the information. Also will I need to follow a liquid diet before and after the op regardless of which one I have.I seem to go through times when I cannot stop eating and never feel full then other times I don't want to eat because I'm sick of eating but keep eating because I now can, I'm really worried that I'm getting into really bad eating habits and routines. I have put on weight which is a good thing but I didn't mind being the weight I was. Just one of those days today, I think it's because the appointment is coming up, brings it all back, i'm feeling a bit weepy and sorry for myself but annoyed because at least I'm doing well compared to some. I

think I must have too much time on my hands. Mel thanks Mel <FONT face="comic sans ms" color=#ff0000 size=5> in Georgia </FONT><IMG src=" ">

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wondering if these are the same one's your all talking about. Also i just called our local linens and things and they said they had it so I might just go buy it there. I won't be able to return it if not

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In a message dated 3/8/07 11:05:35 PM, racina@... writes:

Labs

Aldosterone 2.1 - Renin 7.8 - Cortisol 4.3

He put me on Spironlactone, which I am on 100mg bid at this point, I

did point out to him that I had Cushings syndrome symptoms as well,

there doesn't seem to be an endocrinologist in Syracuse NY that is

taking new patients, its difficult, I have not had a 24 hour urine

nor a Dex test as of yet. Is it possible to have 2 different adrenal

diseases with lesions on both of the adrenals? Then I do wonder if I

have other things to worry about in this specific area.

Thanks for letting me ramble, any ideas?

RaCina

Assuming your were not on any meds when these were tested you do not have Cushings or likely primary aldo.

Could be Apparant mineralocorticoid excess or Liddles Syndrome. What is your family Hx of HTN.

What is normal for renin and aldo in that lab?

May your pressure be low!

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Hi RaCina:Welcome to our group. With Dr. Grim and his comments you should be assured that you are getting the best advise here.Just to let you know that based on your lab results your renin level is way too high to be considered Conns. Those with Primary Aldosteronism tend to have high aldosterone but very low renin. The ratio of Aldosterone to Renin is what determines if you have Aldosteronism. A ratio of 20 or more could be considered PA. Which in yours don't seem to be the case of course unless as Dr. Grimm mentioned you were taking certain medications during the time you were tested. Having a cyst on the liver is not uncommon. Hemangiomas do not cause high blood pressure and are in most cases benign and not treated.Best of Health to UFarah

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In a message dated 3/8/07 11:05:35 PM, racinatwcny (DOT) rr.com writes:

Labs

Aldosterone 2.1 - Renin 7.8 - Cortisol 4.3

He put me on Spironlactone, which I am on 100mg bid at this point, I

did point out to him that I had Cushings syndrome symptoms as well,

there doesn't seem to be an endocrinologist in Syracuse NY that is

taking new patients, its difficult, I have not had a 24 hour urine

nor a Dex test as of yet. Is it possible to have 2 different adrenal

diseases with lesions on both of the adrenals? Then I do wonder if I

have other things to worry about in this specific area.

Thanks for letting me ramble, any ideas?

RaCina

Assuming your were not on any meds when these were tested you do not have Cushings or likely primary aldo.

Could be Apparant mineralocorticoid excess or Liddles Syndrome. What is your family Hx of HTN.

What is normal for renin and aldo in that lab?

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Consulting, Inc.

(sharedcareinc.com)

Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine and Epidemiology Med. Col. WI

Clinical Professor of Nursing, Univ. of WI, Milwaukee

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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Gordon:

I'm confused. You've changed the newsgroup to a more professional

category and you now accept Alternative Medicine, with it's attendant

lack of double blind studies etc. as well as Established Medicine with

it's rigourous scientific restrictions. Yet you won't say whether you

accept which of the three, Hypnosis, Homeopathy and Acupuncture as being

valid medical therapies. Please address everything in this email as

I'm stumped.

[Guest guest]

Sorry you feel confused, .

> you now accept alternative medicine

I never rejected alternative medicine. But neither do I consider its proponents

exempt from the requirement for credible evidence.

As an example, if you think misalignment of the earth and stars causes cancer

then I will gladly entertain that alternative hypothesis. But don't expect me to

accept it as part of my worldview unless you can show me a lot of credible

scientific research to support it.

> Please address everything in this email as I'm stumped.

You want me to say that either I reject or accept homeopathy and/or acupuncture.

Actually I feel agnostic about both subjects.

-gts

[Guest guest]

Gordon:

So you don't believe in Homeopathy or Acupuncture, I have to assume that

you believe in Hypnosis since you omitted it from your reply. These

three therapies, as someone else mentioned a few days ago, don't lend

themselves to DB studies. However, in my worldview, failing the DB study

I'll accept Empirical evidence. I've used this test in my practice of

both ksonian Hypnosis and Advanced NLP together with Meta - States

techniques.

My overall belief when it comes to medicine and therapy is, " Whatever

works...use it!

Gordon Swobe wrote:

>Sorry you feel confused, .

>

>

>

>>you now accept alternative medicine

>>

>>

>

>I never rejected alternative medicine. But neither do I consider its proponents

exempt from the requirement for credible evidence.

>

>As an example, if you think misalignment of the earth and stars causes cancer

then I will gladly entertain that alternative hypothesis. But don't expect me to

accept it as part of my worldview unless you can show me a lot of credible

scientific research to support it.

>

>

>

>>Please address everything in this email as I'm stumped.

>>

>>

>

>You want me to say that either I reject or accept homeopathy and/or

acupuncture. Actually I feel agnostic about both subjects.

>

>-gts

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

my problem with homeopathy is if dilute medicine cures why doesnt dilute poison

kill?

Kirk

" B. Monier- " <dbm-w@...> wrote:

Gordon:

So you don't believe in Homeopathy or Acupuncture, I have to assume that

you believe in Hypnosis since you omitted it from your reply. These

three therapies, as someone else mentioned a few days ago, don't lend

themselves to DB studies. However, in my worldview, failing the DB study

I'll accept Empirical evidence. I've used this test in my practice of

both ksonian Hypnosis and Advanced NLP together with Meta - States

techniques.

My overall belief when it comes to medicine and therapy is, " Whatever

works...use it!

Gordon Swobe wrote:

>Sorry you feel confused, .

>

>

>

>>you now accept alternative medicine

>>

>>

>

>I never rejected alternative medicine. But neither do I consider its proponents

exempt from the requirement for credible evidence.

>

>As an example, if you think misalignment of the earth and stars causes cancer

then I will gladly entertain that alternative hypothesis. But don't expect me to

accept it as part of my worldview unless you can show me a lot of credible

scientific research to support it.

>

>

>

>>Please address everything in this email as I'm stumped.

>>

>>

>

>You want me to say that either I reject or accept homeopathy and/or

acupuncture. Actually I feel agnostic about both subjects.

>

>-gts

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

' a trace of nuts can kill' that's what they label packaging that may have a

TRACWE of nuts (not to mention every other substance on earth anyone can be

allergic too)

2008/10/1 Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...>

> my problem with homeopathy is if dilute medicine cures why doesnt dilute

> poison kill?

> Kirk

>

> " B. Monier- " <dbm-w@...> wrote:

> Gordon:

> So you don't believe in Homeopathy or Acupuncture, I have to assume that

> you believe in Hypnosis since you omitted it from your reply. These

> three therapies, as someone else mentioned a few days ago, don't lend

> themselves to DB studies. However, in my worldview, failing the DB study

> I'll accept Empirical evidence. I've used this test in my practice of

> both ksonian Hypnosis and Advanced NLP together with Meta - States

> techniques.

>

> My overall belief when it comes to medicine and therapy is, " Whatever

> works...use it!

>

>

>

>

> Gordon Swobe wrote:

>

> >Sorry you feel confused, .

> >

> >

> >

> >>you now accept alternative medicine

> >>

> >>

> >

> >I never rejected alternative medicine. But neither do I consider its

> proponents exempt from the requirement for credible evidence.

> >

> >As an example, if you think misalignment of the earth and stars causes

> cancer then I will gladly entertain that alternative hypothesis. But don't

> expect me to accept it as part of my worldview unless you can show me a lot

> of credible scientific research to support it.

> >

> >

> >

> >>Please address everything in this email as I'm stumped.

> >>

> >>

> >

> >You want me to say that either I reject or accept homeopathy and/or

> acupuncture. Actually I feel agnostic about both subjects.

> >

> >-gts

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kirk:

A number of Homeopathic remedies if taken in the mother tincture are

poisons and will kill you, except they are diluted beyond Avogado's number.

Kirk McLoren wrote:

>my problem with homeopathy is if dilute medicine cures why doesnt dilute poison

kill?

> Kirk

>

>

[Guest guest]

Like what?

From: B. Monier-

Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:17 PM

Longevity

Subject: Re: Re: Confused

Kirk:

A number of Homeopathic remedies if taken in the mother tincture are

poisons and will kill you, except they are diluted beyond Avogado's number.

Kirk McLoren wrote:

>my problem with homeopathy is if dilute medicine cures why doesnt dilute poison

kill?

> Kirk

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hamish:

Like Belladonna and Arsenicum Album.

Hamish Jooste wrote:

>Like what?

>

>

>From: B. Monier-

>Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:17 PM

>Longevity

>Subject: Re: Re: Confused

>

>

>Kirk:

>A number of Homeopathic remedies if taken in the mother tincture are

>poisons and will kill you, except they are diluted beyond Avogado's number.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

but trhats the whole point

Homeopaths say the dilute is more potent.

It isnt, just as you say -undiluted it kills.

" B. Monier- " <dbm-w@...> wrote:

Hamish:

Like Belladonna and Arsenicum Album.

Hamish Jooste wrote:

>Like what?

>

>

>From: B. Monier-

>Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:17 PM

>Longevity

>Subject: Re: Re: Confused

>

>

>Kirk:

>A number of Homeopathic remedies if taken in the mother tincture are

>poisons and will kill you, except they are diluted beyond Avogado's number.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Kirk:

Undiluted the mother tincture kills i.e. the chemical kills.

The homeopathic potency is in the remaining energy since there is no

more chemical content beyond Avogado's number.

Any explanation you might need beyond this I suggest you do some reading.

Kirk McLoren wrote:

>but trhats the whole point

> Homeopaths say the dilute is more potent.

> It isnt, just as you say -undiluted it kills.

>

>

[Guest guest]

thanks, interesting reading...

From: B. Monier-

Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:05 AM

Longevity

Subject: Re: Re: Confused

Hamish:

Like Belladonna and Arsenicum Album.

Hamish Jooste wrote:

>Like what?

>

>

>From: B. Monier-

>Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:17 PM

>Longevity

>Subject: Re: Re: Confused

>

>

>Kirk:

>A number of Homeopathic remedies if taken in the mother tincture are

>poisons and will kill you, except they are diluted beyond Avogado's number.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

isnt that a failure of logic? If the dilute is more potent it should kill better

than the concentrate

- but it doesnt.

It behaves as one would expect the stronger the concentration the more potent

- contrary to the tenents of homeopothy.

I believe if homeopothy has any effect it is placebo.

Kirk

" B. Monier- " <dbm-w@...> wrote:

Kirk:

Undiluted the mother tincture kills i.e. the chemical kills.

The homeopathic potency is in the remaining energy since there is no

more chemical content beyond Avogado's number.

Any explanation you might need beyond this I suggest you do some reading.

Kirk McLoren wrote:

>but trhats the whole point

> Homeopaths say the dilute is more potent.

> It isnt, just as you say -undiluted it kills.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dilute medicine cures.

Dilute poison is also a medicine & therefore it also cures, it doesn't

kill is true.

=====================================================

Kirk McLoren wrote:

> my problem with homeopathy is if dilute medicine cures why doesnt dilute

poison kill?

> Kirk

[Guest guest]

They may not be available in the form of mother tincture to patients.

They are sold in dilute potentised form only.

=====================================

B. Monier- wrote:

> Hamish:

> Like Belladonna and Arsenicum Album.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kirk:

The potentcy is in the engergy in the dilute solution. If it were a

placebo, there would be no Empirical evidence that it works on animals.

But you believe what you want.

Kirk McLoren wrote:

>isnt that a failure of logic? If the dilute is more potent it should kill

better than the concentrate

> - but it doesnt.

> It behaves as one would expect the stronger the concentration the more

potent - contrary to the tenents of homeopothy.

> I believe if homeopothy has any effect it is placebo.

>

> Kirk

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi MM,

" dilute potentised form "

This seemed contradictory to me. So, I looked up this on

http://www.homeopathy-info.co.uk/homeopathy-resources/homeopathy-dictionary.php

which informs me:

Potentisation: Applies to the dilution and succussion process, that is usually

employed for homeopathic medicines.

Succussion: Applies to the vigorous agitation of

homeopathic medicines, at each stage of dilution/potentisation. It is

this process, apparently, that effects the energy changes in the

solution.

'Energy changes'? In almost pure water? What energy changes?

Diluting makes conventional medicine weaker yet " shaking and diluting " makes

homeopathic medicine stronger?

This still appears counter intuitive to me... I would be grateful if could

clarify this as I am keen to understand.

Thanks,

Alistair

http://aging-management.com/ - Optimising Health for Longevity

Re: Re: Confused

They may not be available in the form of mother tincture to patients.

They are sold in dilute potentised form only.

============ ========= ========= =======

B. Monier- wrote:

> Hamish:

> Like Belladonna and Arsenicum Album.

>

>

[Guest guest]

The administrator to the animals is part of the experiment. Many people dont get

that.

If homeopathy were valid the only medicine needed would be a drop of seawater.

Good for colds, moles and heart attack or cancer. I believe what logic dictates.

Believing what you want is the choice of the magical thinkers.

There is no double blind reproduceable study re efficacy of homeopathy. Nada,

zip, zilch.

If we cant live with the truth what will we live with?

Isnt worth it over the long haul.

Kirk

" B. Monier- " <dbm-w@...> wrote:

Kirk:

The potentcy is in the engergy in the dilute solution. If it were a

placebo, there would be no Empirical evidence that it works on animals.

But you believe what you want.

Kirk McLoren wrote:

>isnt that a failure of logic? If the dilute is more potent it should kill

better than the concentrate

> - but it doesnt.

> It behaves as one would expect the stronger the concentration the more potent

- contrary to the tenents of homeopothy.

> I believe if homeopothy has any effect it is placebo.

>

> Kirk

>

>

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[Guest guest]

not really, but they should certainly go together well.

there might be some correlation, but that's getting a bit abstract... but

also might prove to be what it's all about in the long run.

interesting question.... wish i had a better answer.

> confused

>

> Hi Im new to this group. I was just wondering if yall can

> share some of your knowledge with me. Ive recently heard

> about the wonderful healing powers of energetic balancing

> along with prayer, is this the same method used with Rife? Is

> there any correlation?

>

>

[Guest guest]

not really, but they should certainly go together well.

there might be some correlation, but that's getting a bit abstract... but

also might prove to be what it's all about in the long run.

interesting question.... wish i had a better answer.

> confused

>

> Hi Im new to this group. I was just wondering if yall can

> share some of your knowledge with me. Ive recently heard

> about the wonderful healing powers of energetic balancing

> along with prayer, is this the same method used with Rife? Is

> there any correlation?

>

>