Guest guest Posted October 29, 1999 Report Share Posted October 29, 1999 Hi Your antie has a great chance to live a long life now. there is literally hundreds of mineral, vitamins and teas she can take to prevent. Stay in this group and you will get to know it. Mundo (323)589-8942 (213)498-3126 pgr./voice mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 1999 Report Share Posted October 29, 1999 I am trully sorry that your aunt must go through this. Allot of women beat it. What you have shared with her so far is a great beginning. In your country you have a pharmacutical company with the distribution of a profuct called Immunocal. The name of the company is Leader Express Co. This product has seven patents on it, one from Canada pertaining to immune response. One from Australia pertainlng strickly to cancer. And five in the USA patent office. One for AIDS and three for immune responce and as of this year one on Cancer.Anyone wanting to read the cancer patent can e-mail me and I will e-mail it to you. hamonicd@.... This is a natural product that is in phase III clinical studies at Delhausie University in Nova Scotia on Brest Cancer,another on breast cancer at Brooklyn Hospital Center in New York conducted by Dr. Cook, Prostate Cancer at Harvard Medical Shool, Massachusetts, and By Dr. Taguchi at McGill University, Montreal, Leukemia (acute leukemia with Chemotherapy) by Dr. Bob , King Khalik Hospital, Saudi Arabia. These are just a few of the different studies on cancer on going right now. There are also studies on many other disease happening with Immunocal. It continues to be proven to work over and over again in the disease so far studied. It is a undenatured whey protein full of all amino acids, impaticular one called cystine. What is important about this is that we have a protein in all of our cells. That proteins job is to be the antioxidant and detoxifier of your body. It is made up of three amino acids, glutamate, glycine and cysteine. We can get enough glutatmate and glycine from our diets, but we cannot get cysteine in a way that it can go intracellulor. Along comes cystine in this whey protein. Cystine is two cysteine molecules joined by a disulfide bond, the proteins allow it to piggy back into the cell once it gets into the cell, the bond then breaks allowing it to become cysteine. Now glutathione has enough glutatmate, glycine and cysteine to do its job. What happens with cancer is the healthy cells are low in glutathione because the cancer cells have stolen, and now there levels are very high in glutathione so they are actually better protected, then the goods ones left to fight the cancer. When you raise glutathione in the good cells the cancerous one's respond to a hair-triger effect and shut down the glutathione in themselves. They don't like to feel pushed or bullied. Now that the good cells have glutathione operating again at full speed go into what they call monalclonal expansion. Instead of there being one there are now ten cells ready to go to bat for you. It is the way the body is supposed to operated, and it is this lack of operation that makes many become ill with cancer. It is not a cure but proper nutrition for the cells and other systems within. Every organ has glutathione to protect it. If you have a diseased organ then you can bet glutathione is not working there. I lost my mom to breast cancer, today your aunt has an actual real chance at fighting it. There are so many ways to help the body help its self. Glutathione being a big part of that picture. Debbie mustama-@... wrote: original article:cures for cancer/?start=3260 > Dear Cancercure, > > My 52 year-old unmarried auntie has been diagnosed as having breast > cancer two weeks ago. Three days later, she underwent surgery to remove > the affected breast. The doctors said she would have 3 months to live > without a surgery and 3 to 5 years with one. I tried the best to give > her all the support I could. So, I advised her to take plenty of > pesticide-free organic vegetables and fruits (especially greens and > and fruits). I also advised her to start juicing pesticide-free greens > and fruits. Of course, I also told her to consult the doctors first > before taking my advice. Am I giving her the correct advice? Please > help me, I don't want to lose my auntie, even 3 or 5 years from now. I > am writing from Malaysia. > > Sicerely, > Mustafa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2001 Report Share Posted October 28, 2001 Breast Cancer Breast Cancer Awareness: Looking behind the smokescreen of early detection reveals that seeing through deception is your only protection. 68 ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE NOVEMBER 2001 Few women know that the originator and major funder of Breast Cancer Awareness Month is one of the world's biggest producers of carcinogenic substances. By Sherrill Sellman Every October since 1985, the recognizable symbol of National Breast Cancer Awareness Month (NBCAM), the Pink Ribbon, is seen everywhere. It is prominently displayed in TV ads, on posters and in women's magazines. Women proudly pin the Pink Ribbon to their blouses-synonymous with support, courage, caring, activism, action and donations. Lots of donations. During this " awareness " campaign, multitudes of fiindraising runs, hikes, walks and various other events raise over a hundred million dollars towards the goal of conquering that dreaded scourge of the modern woman, breast cancer. High-profile companies like Avon, Lee Denim and Revlon have joined ranks with the G. Komen Foundation's " Race for the Cure " and the L.A. City of Hope Hospital's " Walk for Hope:' Major retailers like J.C. Penney and Hallmark Cards and even the brokerage firm Schwab all get into the act by donating a percentage of their profits from designated goods or services to the cause. Breast Cancer is a modern-day epidemic. Each year over 180,000 women in the United States will be diagnosed with breast cancer. More than 44,000 will die of the disease. The U.S. has one of the highest breast cancer rates in the world. Fifty years ago the incidence for a woman's lifetime risk was one in 20. Now it has skyrocketed to one in eight. The war on cancer is an empty promise as breast cancer incidence continues to climb at the rate of I % annually. NOVEMBER 200 ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE 69 Breast Cancer Awareness: The motto of NBCAM is " Early Detection is Your Best Protection. The National Cancer Institute stated in 1995 that " Breast cancer is simply not a preventable disease. " A similar message was reiterated in 1997 by the American Cancer Society' s announcement that " there are no practical ways to prevent breast cancer-only early detection. " Therefore, mammograms become the front line of defense. Celebrities like Rosie O'Donnell offer free t-shirts with the honorable words " I've been Squished " if you'll make a date with your local x-ray department. Bring a friend and get a two-for-the-price-of-one special. So let's all join in and wave our pink ribbons, don those running shoes and take to the roads, tight? Hang on a minute. Before you get swept up in the emotional frenzy of this call to arms, there is something you must know. Hidden agendas National Breast Cancer Awareness Month's sole funder is Zeneca Pharmaceuticals, now known as AstraZeneca. In 1984, Zeneca's parent company, Imperial Chemical Industries (ICI), launched NBCAM. AstraZeneca is the world's largest manufacturer of petrochemical and chlorinated organic products-including the plastic ingredient vinyl chloride and the pesticide Acetochlor, both of which have been directly linked to breast cancer. Zeneca, a bioscience corporation, manufactures the controversial and most widely prescribed breast cancer drug, tamoxifen. All NBCAM TV, radio and print media promotions are approved and paid for by Zeneca. It is less known that Zeneca also makes pesticides, herbicides and fungicides. Unashamedly, ICI and Zeneca's chemical plants daily release potential cancer-causing pollution into the environment. To round off their profitable cancer investments, Zeneca also owns a growing chain of cancer care centers. When it comes to the environmental carcinogens found in pesticides, herbicides, plastics and other toxic chemicals, there is booming silence by all NBCAM programs. Did the alarming increase of breast cancer rates just mysteriously happen? Or, perhaps, the focus on the cure has created a distraction from the cause? After all, if it became general knowledge that Zeneca's chemical products and factories directly contribute to the breast cancer epidemic, it would certainly sully their well-oiled PR campaign, which conveniently ignores telling the public about avoidable environmental and chemical causes. Many experts predicted as far back as 30 years ago that cancer rates would increase due to an explosion of synthetic chemicals. From 1940 through the early 1980's, production of synthetic chemicals increased by a factor of 350. Billions of tons of substances that never existed before were released into the environment. Yet only 30/0 of the 75,000 chemicals in use have ever been tested for safety. These toxic time bombs are everywhere-in our water, air and food, in our workplaces and schools, in household cleansers, cosmetics and personal care products. It's no coincidence that women who live near toxic waste dumps have 6.5 times the incidence of breast cancer. A survey conducted by Dr. Wolff of Mt. Sinai Hospital, New York, found that women with breast cancer had four times the levels of DDE found in non-carcinogenic tumors. Another study investigated why upper class women in the community of Newton, Massachusetts had higher breast cancer rates than women of lower economic status. The researchers attributed the increase to greater use of the carcinogenic chemicals used in professional lawn care and dry cleaning services. In 1993, Greenpeace reported that women with the highest concentrations of chlorine-based pesticides and other chemicals in their blood and fat had breast cancer risks four to ten times higher than women with lower concentrations. The data suggested that these chemicals are among the strongest risk factors ever identified. The stark reality of irrefutable evidence linking chemical pollutants to breast cancer is apparently not a reality shared by the American Cancer Society (ACS). While the ACS represents itself as an advocate and resource for cancer victims, the truth is that it has its own quite different agenda. The ACS receives huge sums of money from chemical, pharmaceutical and other major corporations. Members of these industries have long had places reserved for them on the ACS's board. Epstein, M.D., Professor of Occupational and Environmental Medicine at the University of Illinois School of Public Health, scathingly attacks the cancer establishment. " Over recent decades, the incidence of cancer has escalated to epidemic proportions while our ability to treat and cure most cancers remains virtually unchanged. Apart from the important role of tobacco, there is substantial and long-standing evidence relating this epidemic to involuntary and avoidable exposure to industrial carcinogens in air, water, the workplace and consumer products. Nevertheless, the priorities of the cancer establishment, the National Cancer Institute and the American Cancer Society, remain narrowly fixated on damage control-diagnosis and treatment-and on basic molecular research, with indifference to, if not always benign neglect of, prevention. Concerns over this imbalance are further compounded by serious conflicts of interest, particularly with the multi-billion-dollar cancer drug industry. " Toxic treatments Perhaps we can forgive Zeneca's investment in carcinogenic chemicals, since it researched and patented the most popular breast cancer treatment, tamoxifen, manufactured under the name of Nolvadex, which grosses 500 million dollars annually. Or perhaps not. On May 16,2000, The New York limes reported that the National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences had added 14 substances to their list of known carcinogens. Tamoxifen was included in that list. The government's announcement confirmed what had already been known. In May 1995, California's expert committee, established by Proposition 65, let the public know that tamoxifen use is likely to cause endometrial cancer. It was also known that tamoxifen caused uterine, liver, stomach and colorectal cancers. After just two to three years of use, tamoxifen will increase the incidence of uterine cancer by two to three times. The primary treatment for uterine cancer is a hysterectomy. In addition, tamoxifen increased the risk of strokes, blood clots, eye damage, menopausal symptoms and depression. NOVEMBER 2001 ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE 71 Breast Cancer Awareness: Creating an Alternative Breast Cancer Prevention Program Even tamoxifen's role in preventing breast cancer is questionable for some women. In a 1992 report, the New England Journal of Medicine stated that tamoxifen may reduce the incidence of cancer to the opposite breast (contralateral) but only in premenopausal women and only in three of eight trials. In another 1992 study, tamoxifen not only failed to reduce contralateral cancers in premenopausal women, it actually increased their incidence. In a more recent study, published last year in The Lancet, women who had taken tamoxifen for two to five years had twice the risk of cancer as women who had not taken it. For women taking tamoxifen for five years or more, the risk of endometrial cancer increased sevenfold! The researchers stated that they seriously question widespread use of tamoxifen as a preventative agent. " To sum it up, Zeneca, the originator of Breast Cancer Awareness month, is the manufacturer of carcinogenic petrochemicals, carcinogenic pollutants and a breast cancer drug that can cause at least four different types of cancer in women, including breast cancer- the cancer it is supposed to cure. The cherry on AstraZeneca's cake is another business division: their profitable cancer clinics. Quite an impressive full-service operation! Is something wrong with this picture? The mammogram danger Since the Breast Cancer Awareness Month spin doctors claim that breast cancer is " simply not a preventable disease, " their focus has shifted to the theme of early detection. Women are now encouraged to get their mammograms early. At one time, screening was recommended to all women over the age of 50. Now the campaign is targeting 40-year-olds and even women as young as 25. However, detecting breast cancer with mammography is not the same as protection from breast cancer. And serious questions are being raised about the validity of mammograms. After all, a mammogram is an X-ray. The only acknowledged cause of cancer according to the American Cancer Society is from radiation. And there is no safe level of exposure. In fact, the highly carcinogenic nature of radiation is not limited to x-ray. Strontium-90, a waste product of nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons is a severe form of radiation pollution in our atmosphere and water. It is known to go into thebone marrow where it attacks white blood cells, thus presenting a risk of all forms of cancer. Intentional exposure to repeated radiation in the form of annual x-rays is simply unsound advice. " There is clear evidence that the breast, particularly in premenopausal women, is highly sensitive to radiation, with estimates of increased risk of up to lOb for every RAD (radiation absorbed dose) unit of X-ray exposure. Even for low dosage exposure of two RADs or less, this exposure can add up quickly for women having an annual mammography, " notes Epstein. " More recent concern comes from evidence that 10/0 of women, or over one million women in the United States alone, carry a gene that increases their breast cancer risk from radiation fourfold. " According to Sharon Batt, author of Patient No More: The Politics of Breast Cancer, " The depths of the mammography deceit began in the early 1970s. It was concocted by insiders at the 72 ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE NOVEMBER 2001 Breast Cancer Awareness: American Cancer Society (ACS) and their friends at the National Cancer Institute (NCI). The number of women who were put at risk or who died as a result of this nefarious scheme is not known but estimated to be huge. " " In 1978, IrwinJ. D. Bross, Director of Biostatistics at Roswell Park Memorial Institute for Cancer Research, commented about the cancer screening program: 'The women should have been given the information about the hazards of radiation at the same time they were given the sales talk for mammography. Doctors were gung-ho to use it on a large scale. They went right ahead and X-rayed not just a few women but a quarter of a million women. Ajump in exposure of a quarter of a million persons to something which could do more harm than good was criminal, and it was supported by money from the federal government and the American Cancer Society. " As far back as 1974, the National Cancer Institute (NCI) was warned by professor Malcolm C. Pike at the University of Southern California School of Medicine that a number of specialists had concluded that " giving a woman under age 50 a mammogram on a routine basis is close to unethical. " Dr. B. Simone, a researcher at the National Cancer Institute concurs. " Mammograms increase the risk for developing breast cancer and raise the risk of spreading or metastasizing an existing growth. " Hundreds of studies in peer-reviewed journals demonstrate that mammograms are risky, that they often misdiagnose or are incorrectly interpreted, with high percentages of false negatives and false positives, and that statistically, they do not contribute to survival rates. In the face of all this evidence, why does the American Cancer Society recommend annual or biannual mammography for all women ages 40 to 55 or even earlier? And why is National Mammography Day the cornerstone of NBCAM? The answer is obvious: Mammography is an $8 billion per year industry. According to Dr. Epstein: " The ACS also has close connections to the mammography industry. Five radiologists have served as ACS presidents, and in its every move the ACS reflects the interests of major manufacturers of mammography machines and film including Siemens, DuPont, General Electric, Eastman Kodak, and Piker. " Could that have something to do with the fact that the American Cancer Society's latest report on cancer prevention makes no mention of environmental factors, non-patentable, natural treatments or safer screening protocols? There is, in fact, a superior alternative to mammography called Digital Infrared Thermography, which does not use mechanical pressure or ionizing radiation. It is safe, non-toxic and painless. It can also detect signs of abnormalities years earlier than either mammography or a physical exam. In 95% of cancer diagnoses, physical exams or mammography can only detect malignant tumors that have existed for eight years. Digital Infrared Thermography is able to detect the possibility of breast cancer much earlier, because it can image the early stages of angiogenesis-the formation of a direct supply of blood to cancer cells, which is a necessary step before these cells can grow into larger tumors. It should come as no surprise that safer and more effective screening techniques like Digital Infrared Thermography have been vigorously attacked by the NBCAM organizations. Challenging the agenda So all the hullabaloo that comes each October, enlisting women's support and hard-earned cash, does absolutely nothing to eliminate the cause of this devastating disease. Instead, women s heartfelt desires and good intentions are usurped by the hidden agendas of major cancer organizations and corporations committed to pushing their toxic drug treatments, dangerous diagnostic tools and anti-environmental pollutant platforms. In truth, NBCAM is a public relations invention by a major polluter, which puts women in the position of being unwitting allies of the very people who are making them sick. Women can make the difference in eliminating breast cancer. The breast cancer epidemic is not some great mystery. The causes of cancer are already known: Toxic diets, toxic lifestyles, toxic emotions, toxic environments, toxic chemicals, toxic drug treatments and toxic diagnostic techniques cause cancer. Corporations that are part of the cancer industry are more interested in increasing their profits and ensuring their tentacles of control than in creating actual solutions. When it comes to National Breast Cancer Awareness Month, women must invest their time, energy and money into other projects, initiatives and treatments that will truly create change. Instead of allowing major corporations or other vested interests to define the agenda, we can indeed use National Breast Cancer Awareness Month as a powerful time to educate, awaken and empower women to the real causes, preventative measures and effective cures for breast cancer. If you're going to be racing for the cure, be sure to choose your race very carefully. Creating an Alternative Breast Cancer Prevention Program Some immediate steps to take: · Eat as many organic foods as possible. They are not only free of harmful chemicals, but they also may have greater nutritional value. · Drink pure filtered water. · Eliminate all commercial household cleaning products, toxic garden pesticides and non-organic personal care products. Replace them with safe, organic and biodegradable brands. · Refuse steroid hormone treatments such as HRT and the birth control pill; these are known to initiate cancer, including breast cancer. · See out the many natural approaches for regaining hormonal balance. Detoxify the body and reduce stress. · Investigate Digital Infrared Thermography, a safe screening technique, especially if you are premenopausal. · Become informed about your body and breast health. Contact: Shernll Sellman is the author of the best-selling book Hormone Heresy: What Women Must Know About Their Hormones. She can be contacted at: www.ssellman.com and email:golight@... or at 1-877-215-1721. 74 ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE NOVEMBER 2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2001 Report Share Posted October 29, 2001 Thank you!! It's a little like Mcdonalds - the dichotomy between selling the most deadly foods - meat byproducts breaded and deep fried - and the Ronal Mc House, which does wonderful things! --- Phyllis <georgic@...> wrote: > Breast Cancer > Breast Cancer > > Awareness: > > > > > > Looking behind the smokescreen of early detection > reveals that seeing through deception is your only > protection. > > > > > > > > 68 ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE NOVEMBER 2001 > > > > > > > > > > > > Few women know that the originator and major funder > of Breast Cancer Awareness Month is one of the > world's biggest producers of carcinogenic > substances. > > > > > > > > > > By Sherrill Sellman > > > Every October since 1985, the recognizable symbol of > National Breast Cancer Awareness Month (NBCAM), the > Pink Ribbon, is seen everywhere. It is prominently > displayed in TV ads, on posters and in women's > magazines. Women proudly pin the Pink Ribbon to > their blouses-synonymous with support, courage, > caring, activism, action and donations. Lots of > donations. > > During this " awareness " campaign, multitudes of > fiindraising runs, hikes, walks and various other > events raise over a hundred million dollars towards > the goal of conquering that dreaded scourge of the > modern woman, breast cancer. High-profile companies > like Avon, Lee Denim and Revlon have joined ranks > with the G. Komen Foundation's " Race for the > Cure " and the L.A. City of Hope Hospital's " Walk > for Hope:' Major retailers like J.C. Penney and > Hallmark Cards and even the brokerage firm > Schwab all get into the act by donating a percentage > of their profits from designated goods or services > to the cause. > > Breast Cancer is a modern-day epidemic. Each year > over 180,000 women in the United States will be > diagnosed with breast cancer. More than 44,000 will > die of the disease. The U.S. has one of the highest > breast cancer rates in the world. Fifty years ago > the incidence for a woman's lifetime risk was one in > 20. Now it has skyrocketed to one in eight. The war > on cancer is an empty promise as breast cancer > incidence continues to climb at the rate of I % > annually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOVEMBER 200 ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE 69 > > > > Breast Cancer Awareness: > > > > > > The motto of NBCAM is " Early Detection is Your Best > Protection. The National Cancer Institute stated in > 1995 that " Breast cancer is simply not a > preventable disease. " A similar message was > reiterated in 1997 by the American Cancer Society' > s announcement that " there are no practical ways to > prevent breast cancer-only early detection. " > Therefore, mammograms become the front line of > defense. Celebrities like Rosie O'Donnell offer free > t-shirts with the honorable words " I've been > Squished " if you'll make a date with your local > x-ray department. Bring a friend and get a > two-for-the-price-of-one special. > > So let's all join in and wave our pink ribbons, don > those running shoes and take to the roads, tight? > Hang on a minute. Before you get swept up in the > emotional frenzy of this call to arms, there is > something you must know. > > > > Hidden agendas > > National Breast Cancer Awareness Month's sole funder > is Zeneca Pharmaceuticals, now known as AstraZeneca. > In 1984, Zeneca's parent company, Imperial Chemical > Industries (ICI), launched NBCAM. AstraZeneca is the > world's largest manufacturer of petrochemical and > chlorinated organic products-including the plastic > ingredient vinyl chloride and the pesticide > Acetochlor, both of which have been directly linked > to breast cancer. Zeneca, a bioscience corporation, > manufactures the controversial and most widely > prescribed breast cancer drug, tamoxifen. All NBCAM > TV, radio and print media promotions are approved > and paid for by Zeneca. > > It is less known that Zeneca also makes pesticides, > herbicides and fungicides. Unashamedly, ICI and > Zeneca's chemical plants daily release potential > cancer-causing pollution into the environment. To > round off their profitable cancer investments, > Zeneca also owns a growing chain of cancer care > centers. > > When it comes to the environmental carcinogens found > in pesticides, herbicides, plastics and other toxic > chemicals, there is booming silence by all NBCAM > programs. Did the alarming increase of breast cancer > rates just mysteriously happen? Or, perhaps, the > focus on the cure has created a distraction from the > cause? After all, if it became general knowledge > that Zeneca's chemical products and factories > directly contribute to the breast cancer epidemic, > it would certainly sully their well-oiled PR > campaign, which conveniently ignores telling the > public about avoidable environmental and chemical > causes. > > Many experts predicted as far back as 30 years ago > that cancer rates would increase due to an > explosion of synthetic chemicals. From 1940 through > the early 1980's, production of synthetic chemicals > increased by a factor of 350. Billions of tons of > substances that never existed before were released > into the environment. Yet only 30/0 of the 75,000 > chemicals in use have ever been tested for safety. > These toxic time bombs are everywhere-in our water, > air and food, in our workplaces and schools, in > household cleansers, cosmetics and personal care > products. It's no coincidence that women who live > near toxic waste dumps have 6.5 times the incidence > of breast cancer. > > A survey conducted by Dr. Wolff of Mt. Sinai > Hospital, New York, found that women with breast > cancer had four times the levels of DDE found in > non-carcinogenic tumors. Another study investigated > why upper class women in the community of Newton, > Massachusetts had higher breast cancer rates than > women of lower economic status. The researchers > attributed the increase to greater use of the > carcinogenic chemicals used in professional lawn > care and dry cleaning services. > > In 1993, Greenpeace reported that women with the > highest concentrations of chlorine-based pesticides > and other chemicals in their blood and fat had > breast cancer risks four to ten times higher than > women with lower concentrations. The data suggested > that these chemicals are among the strongest risk > factors ever identified. > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2001 Report Share Posted October 29, 2001 Thank you!! It's a little like Mcdonalds - the dichotomy between selling the most deadly foods - meat byproducts breaded and deep fried - and the Ronal Mc House, which does wonderful things! --- Phyllis <georgic@...> wrote: > Breast Cancer > Breast Cancer > > Awareness: > > > > > > Looking behind the smokescreen of early detection > reveals that seeing through deception is your only > protection. > > > > > > > > 68 ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE NOVEMBER 2001 > > > > > > > > > > > > Few women know that the originator and major funder > of Breast Cancer Awareness Month is one of the > world's biggest producers of carcinogenic > substances. > > > > > > > > > > By Sherrill Sellman > > > Every October since 1985, the recognizable symbol of > National Breast Cancer Awareness Month (NBCAM), the > Pink Ribbon, is seen everywhere. It is prominently > displayed in TV ads, on posters and in women's > magazines. Women proudly pin the Pink Ribbon to > their blouses-synonymous with support, courage, > caring, activism, action and donations. Lots of > donations. > > During this " awareness " campaign, multitudes of > fiindraising runs, hikes, walks and various other > events raise over a hundred million dollars towards > the goal of conquering that dreaded scourge of the > modern woman, breast cancer. High-profile companies > like Avon, Lee Denim and Revlon have joined ranks > with the G. Komen Foundation's " Race for the > Cure " and the L.A. City of Hope Hospital's " Walk > for Hope:' Major retailers like J.C. Penney and > Hallmark Cards and even the brokerage firm > Schwab all get into the act by donating a percentage > of their profits from designated goods or services > to the cause. > > Breast Cancer is a modern-day epidemic. Each year > over 180,000 women in the United States will be > diagnosed with breast cancer. More than 44,000 will > die of the disease. The U.S. has one of the highest > breast cancer rates in the world. Fifty years ago > the incidence for a woman's lifetime risk was one in > 20. Now it has skyrocketed to one in eight. The war > on cancer is an empty promise as breast cancer > incidence continues to climb at the rate of I % > annually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOVEMBER 200 ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE 69 > > > > Breast Cancer Awareness: > > > > > > The motto of NBCAM is " Early Detection is Your Best > Protection. The National Cancer Institute stated in > 1995 that " Breast cancer is simply not a > preventable disease. " A similar message was > reiterated in 1997 by the American Cancer Society' > s announcement that " there are no practical ways to > prevent breast cancer-only early detection. " > Therefore, mammograms become the front line of > defense. Celebrities like Rosie O'Donnell offer free > t-shirts with the honorable words " I've been > Squished " if you'll make a date with your local > x-ray department. Bring a friend and get a > two-for-the-price-of-one special. > > So let's all join in and wave our pink ribbons, don > those running shoes and take to the roads, tight? > Hang on a minute. Before you get swept up in the > emotional frenzy of this call to arms, there is > something you must know. > > > > Hidden agendas > > National Breast Cancer Awareness Month's sole funder > is Zeneca Pharmaceuticals, now known as AstraZeneca. > In 1984, Zeneca's parent company, Imperial Chemical > Industries (ICI), launched NBCAM. AstraZeneca is the > world's largest manufacturer of petrochemical and > chlorinated organic products-including the plastic > ingredient vinyl chloride and the pesticide > Acetochlor, both of which have been directly linked > to breast cancer. Zeneca, a bioscience corporation, > manufactures the controversial and most widely > prescribed breast cancer drug, tamoxifen. All NBCAM > TV, radio and print media promotions are approved > and paid for by Zeneca. > > It is less known that Zeneca also makes pesticides, > herbicides and fungicides. Unashamedly, ICI and > Zeneca's chemical plants daily release potential > cancer-causing pollution into the environment. To > round off their profitable cancer investments, > Zeneca also owns a growing chain of cancer care > centers. > > When it comes to the environmental carcinogens found > in pesticides, herbicides, plastics and other toxic > chemicals, there is booming silence by all NBCAM > programs. Did the alarming increase of breast cancer > rates just mysteriously happen? Or, perhaps, the > focus on the cure has created a distraction from the > cause? After all, if it became general knowledge > that Zeneca's chemical products and factories > directly contribute to the breast cancer epidemic, > it would certainly sully their well-oiled PR > campaign, which conveniently ignores telling the > public about avoidable environmental and chemical > causes. > > Many experts predicted as far back as 30 years ago > that cancer rates would increase due to an > explosion of synthetic chemicals. From 1940 through > the early 1980's, production of synthetic chemicals > increased by a factor of 350. Billions of tons of > substances that never existed before were released > into the environment. Yet only 30/0 of the 75,000 > chemicals in use have ever been tested for safety. > These toxic time bombs are everywhere-in our water, > air and food, in our workplaces and schools, in > household cleansers, cosmetics and personal care > products. It's no coincidence that women who live > near toxic waste dumps have 6.5 times the incidence > of breast cancer. > > A survey conducted by Dr. Wolff of Mt. Sinai > Hospital, New York, found that women with breast > cancer had four times the levels of DDE found in > non-carcinogenic tumors. Another study investigated > why upper class women in the community of Newton, > Massachusetts had higher breast cancer rates than > women of lower economic status. The researchers > attributed the increase to greater use of the > carcinogenic chemicals used in professional lawn > care and dry cleaning services. > > In 1993, Greenpeace reported that women with the > highest concentrations of chlorine-based pesticides > and other chemicals in their blood and fat had > breast cancer risks four to ten times higher than > women with lower concentrations. 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Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 Thanks, Willard, good info. I still recommend mammos for patients over 40 because it's such a nasty disease I would rather be safe than sorry. D Freeman Mailing address: 2480 Liberty Street NE Suite 180Salem, Oregon 97303phone 503 763-3528fax 503 763-3530pager 888 501-7328 breast cancer http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/17/health/17BREA.html Int J Epidemiol 2000 Oct;29(5):803-6 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut A study on effectiveness of screening mammograms.Ren JJ, Peer PG.Department of Mathematics, Tulane University, New Orleans, LA 70118, USA. renj@...So far, no randomized controlled trials with a mean mammographic screening interval of > or = 2 years has demonstrated statistically significant mortality reduction for women younger than age 50. What about the value of support groups? N Engl J Med 2001 Dec 13;345(24):1719-1726 Books, LinkOut The Effect of Group Psychosocial Support on Survival in Metastatic Breast Cancer.Goodwin PJ, Leszcz M, Ennis M, Koopmans J, L, Guther H, Drysdale E, Hundleby M, Chochinov HM, Navarro M, Speca M, Masterson J, Dohan L, Sela R, Warren B, Paterson A, Pritchard KI, Arnold A, Doll R, O'Reilly SE, Quirt G, Hood N, Hunter J.Supportive-expressive group therapy does not prolong survival in women with metastatic breast cancer. It improves mood and the perception of pain, particularly in women who are initially more distressed. Healthcare is an emerging science. Willard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 Dear Doctors, This is a very interesting set of articles and opinions. As I read it ,not to mention that the articles and opinions come out of socialist countries, I thought I smelled an insurance rat. The following quote confirmed my sense... ....' Our calculations confirm others that the mean annual cost per life " saved " is around $1-2 million (558,000 pounds). In the allocation of limited resources, public health policy on a proposed mass population intervention must be based on a critical analysis of benefits, harm, and cost. Since the benefit achieved is marginal, the harm caused is substantial, and the costs incurred are enormous, we suggest that public funding for breast cancer screening in any age group is not justifiable.' I hold by my prior commentary on the subject...let any woman who has been diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer answer whether or not she would like to have been diagnosed earlier and I'd bet she would answer 'yes'. vty, sharron fuchs dc _____________________________________________________ Breast Cancer Listmates, Recently there was a discussion on mammograms and breast cancer. Although this is a bit late, I am passing it along to those interested. It is part of an e-mailing that Dr. Dan sends out by subscription. Mike Underhill ****************************** Cochrane review on screening for breast cancer with mammography The Lancet; Volume 358; 20 October 2001; Pages 1340-1342 Ole Olsen and C Gøtzsche FROM ABSTRACT: In 2000, we reported that there is no reliable evidence that screening for breast cancer reduces mortality. As we discuss here, a Cochrane review has now confirmed and strengthened our previous findings. The review also shows that breast-cancer mortality is a misleading outcome measure. Finally, we use data supplemental to those in the Cochrane review to show that screening leads to more aggressive treatment. THESE AUTHORS ALSO NOTE: These authors previously assessed the results of the seven randomised trials of screening mammography, and " concluded that screening is unjustified because there is no reliable evidence that it reduces mortality. " (P.C. Gøtzsche and O. Olsen , Is screening for breast cancer with mammography justifiable?. Lancet 355 (2000), pp. 129-134). In this Cochrane review The authors paid close attention to the standard dimensions of methodological quality of mammography screening trials, and " confirmed and strengthened our original conclusion. " This review " provided evidence that assessment of cause of death is unreliable and biased in favour of screening, " because " uncertain causes of death were significantly more commonly ascribed to breast cancer than to other causes in the control group. " " Treatment of early cancers by tumourectomy and radiotherapy might increase the likelihood that deaths among screen-detected breast cancer cases will be misclassified as deaths from other causes, particularly other cancers. " The authors " noted that the two trials with medium-quality data failed to find an effect of screening on deaths ascribed to any cancer, including breast cancer. " " The greater use of radiotherapy in screened women than in controls is expected to increase overall mortality because of cardiovascular adverse effects. These deaths were not counted as deaths related to screening in the trials we assessed. " " The main outcome measure in the screening trials was breast-cancer mortality. " " However, we showed that the assumption that a demonstrated effect on breast-cancer mortality can be translated into a reduction in overall mortality rests on suppositions that are not correct. The only reliable mortality estimates are therefore those for overall mortality. " Therefore, using overall mortality, the authors conclude: " The reliable evidence does not indicate any survival benefit of mass screening for breast cancer. " " The two best trials failed to find an effect of screening on deaths ascribed to breast cancer after 13 years. " " We have also confirmed, ... that screening leads to more aggressive treatment, increasing the number of mastectomies by about 20% and the number of mastectomies and tumourectomies by about 30%. " " Screening identifies some slow-growing tumours that would never have developed into cancer in the women's remaining lifetimes, as well as cell changes that are histologically cancer but biologically benign. " " Furthermore, carcinoma in situ does not always develop into invasive cancer, but since these early lesions are often diffuse, women are sometimes treated by bilateral mastectomy. " " Therefore, the increase in surgery rates could also be an underestimate, since reoperations and operations in the contralateral breast seemed not to have been included. " " Furthermore, 'better' diagnostic methods--eg, better mammograms--could lead to additional over-treatment because of detection of even more early or questionable lesions. " Quality assurance programmes could possibly reduce the surgical activity to some degree, but the above problems cannot be avoided. The authors note that their earlier report has been criticised, but that now " all relevant criticism has now been addressed in our review, " and they stand by their conclusions. " We have provided detailed evidence on the mammography screening trials, and hope that women, clinicians, and policy-makers will consider these findings carefully when they decide whether or not to attend or support screening programmes. " " Any hope or claim that screening mammography with more modern technologies than applied in these trials will reduce mortality without causing too much harm will have to be tested in large, well-conducted randomised trials with all-cause mortality as the primary outcome. " Screeningmammography--an overview revisited: Commentary The Lancet; Volume 358; 20 October 2001; 1284-1285 Horton THIS AUTHOR NOTES: " When Gøtzsche and Ole Olsen concluded last year that 'screening for breast cancer with mammography is unjustified', there was a storm of debate and criticism in national media and medical journals alike. " " These investigators, working at the respected Nordic Cochrane Centre, had conducted a systematic review of randomised trials of screening mammography. Gøtzsche and Olsen found that the quality of many of these trials was poor. The best trials, they claimed, did not provide evidence of a reduction in either total or breast-cancer mortality. " A crtitcism of the previous review by Gøtzsche and Olsen was that it was not a Cochrane Collaboration systematic review. In this Cochrane review, Gøtzsche and Olsen " summarise their findings and write that they have confirmed and extended their earlier conclusions. " " The Cochrane Collaboration has a rigorous and well-developed method for conducting systematic reviews. Cochrane reviews are of higher quality than reviews completed according to non-Cochrane protocols. It is for this reason that The Lancet is an enthusiastic partner of the Cochrane Collaboration. " " But the process of collaboration within the Cochrane Breast Cancer Group has broken down badly in the case of the Gøtzsche and Olsen overview. The resulting tensions among colleagues indicate that even in the best organisations raw evidence alone is sometimes insufficient to influence opinion. When the Nordic investigators submitted their systematic review to the editors of the Breast Cancer Group, they found that their conclusions were unwelcome. Rather than supporting their Nordic colleagues in the publication of their research, the Cochrane Breast Cancer Group editors insisted that changes, which Gøtzsche and Olsen disagreed with, be made to the review if it was to be published in the Cochrane Library. These changes appear in the Cochrane review against the authors' wishes, but not in the version posted on The Lancet's website today. The Cochrane editors added statements in the main results section of the abstract, which lent support to arguments in favour of screening, and excluded data about the effects of screening on subsequent treatment despite the fact that inclusion of these data was envisaged in the published protocol of the review. " " According to its ten key principles, the Cochrane Collaboration bases its scientific reputation on minimising bias and ensuring quality. But interference by Cochrane editors to insert what the authors of the overview believe to be invalid analyses erodes the academic freedom of these investigators. Editors make recommendations to authors all the time, but editors who insist on inappropriate analyses that seem to support a particular point of view hurt not only themselves and the institution they represent but also the credibility of the science they claim to value. " " At present, there is no reliable evidence from large randomised trials to support screening mammography programmes. " KEY POINTS FROM DAN MURPHY: (1) There is no reliable evidence to support screening mammography in order to reduce overall mortality. (2) Screening mammography leads to more aggressive treatment intervention, which may be unnecessary and /or actually harmful. (3) By its very nature, earlier detection ac a consequence of advances in technology will not alter the problem of more aggressive treatment intervention, which again may be unnecessary and /or actually harmful. (4) These conclusions remain extremely controversial and contentious among experts in the field. (5) For all of you whose life is affected by this article, you may be interested to know that an article with similar conclusions, by a different author, with more academic reasons for the finding, was published in 1995. I have included the abstract, as follows:: Screening mammography and public health policy: the need for perspective. The Lancet: 1995 Jul 1;346(8966):29-32 CJ, Mueller CB. The early trials of screening mammography, reporting 30% relative reduction in mortality from breast cancer in women over 50 years of age, led to strong professional and public demand for screening programmes. There has been little publicity about the subsequent trials showing no significant benefit in any age group, or about the harm and costs associated with screening mammography. For women under 50, there is a reluctant consensus that screening is not beneficial, but there is increasing pressure for publicly funded programmes for older women. When analysed in terms of population benefit, the randomised controlled prospective trials showed that the numbers of women screened to achieve one less death per year ranged from 7086 (Health Insurance Plan of New York), to 63,264 (Malmo), to infinity (Canadian National Breast Screening Study). About 5% of screening mammograms are positive or suspicious, and of these 80-93% are false positives that cause much unnecessary anxiety and further procedures including surgery. False reassurance by negative mammography occurs in 10-15% of women with breast cancer that will manifest clinically within a year. Our calculations confirm others that the mean annual cost per life " saved " is around $1-2 million (558,000 pounds). In the allocation of limited resources, public health policy on a proposed mass population intervention must be based on a critical analysis of benefits, harm, and cost. Since the benefit achieved is marginal, the harm caused is substantial, and the costs incurred are enormous, we suggest that public funding for breast cancer screening in any age group is not justifiable. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 Yes, I agree and it is unfortunate that statistics can be swayed given a financial bent one way or the other. In my mind however,apart from screening for pathology, is the real (real) issue of cause and prevention whether it be from environmental sources, nutrition or whatever...but that my friends is another story altogether. vty, sharron fuchs dc Breast Cancer sharron: i agree with your observation on 'earlier' detection....... one of the continually amazing elements of never-resolved debates in related fields of health care, is EITHER side of any issue eventually resorts to a financial red herring, ie " it is NOT cost effective " if they are against [insert issue here]; and if they believe the opposite, this phrase becomes " it is a SMALL price to pay for assurance [issue] will not affect [population] with a preventable disease....... the Hog of Social Welfare doesn't squeal loudly unless its on trough is threatened.... for myself i wonder how many lives could be saved if we hadn't invested in so much nuclear overkill armaments.... part of the benefit of the " health cost " has to be support for those 'health facilities and personnel'......just as a single cruise missle may be used effectively or (quoting our Top Dog) " wasted on an empty tent or hitting a camel in the butt " ......... another issue off the point is the entire project, which may save " ONLY " one life, this still remains LESS than a single 60-second SuperBowl advertising spot.....so what is really the issue, is there is not enough grass roots support demanding the availability of this service. Moving out of the PUBLIC trough though, into PRIVATE coverage, what do the figures reveal? Something quite different I would wager..... J Pedersen DC Breast Cancer Listmates, Recently there was a discussion on mammograms and breast cancer. Although this is a bit late, I am passing it along to those interested. It is part of an e-mailing that Dr. Dan sends out by subscription. Mike Underhill ****************************** Cochrane review on screening for breast cancer with mammography The Lancet; Volume 358; 20 October 2001; Pages 1340-1342 Ole Olsen and C Gøtzsche FROM ABSTRACT: In 2000, we reported that there is no reliable evidence that screening for breast cancer reduces mortality. As we discuss here, a Cochrane review has now confirmed and strengthened our previous findings. The review also shows that breast-cancer mortality is a misleading outcome measure. Finally, we use data supplemental to those in the Cochrane review to show that screening leads to more aggressive treatment. THESE AUTHORS ALSO NOTE: These authors previously assessed the results of the seven randomised trials of screening mammography, and " concluded that screening is unjustified because there is no reliable evidence that it reduces mortality. " (P.C. Gøtzsche and O. Olsen , Is screening for breast cancer with mammography justifiable?. Lancet 355 (2000), pp. 129-134). In this Cochrane review The authors paid close attention to the standard dimensions of methodological quality of mammography screening trials, and " confirmed and strengthened our original conclusion. " This review " provided evidence that assessment of cause of death is unreliable and biased in favour of screening, " because " uncertain causes of death were significantly more commonly ascribed to breast cancer than to other causes in the control group. " " Treatment of early cancers by tumourectomy and radiotherapy might increase the likelihood that deaths among screen-detected breast cancer cases will be misclassified as deaths from other causes, particularly other cancers. " The authors " noted that the two trials with medium-quality data failed to find an effect of screening on deaths ascribed to any cancer, including breast cancer. " " The greater use of radiotherapy in screened women than in controls is expected to increase overall mortality because of cardiovascular adverse effects. These deaths were not counted as deaths related to screening in the trials we assessed. " " The main outcome measure in the screening trials was breast-cancer mortality. " " However, we showed that the assumption that a demonstrated effect on breast-cancer mortality can be translated into a reduction in overall mortality rests on suppositions that are not correct. The only reliable mortality estimates are therefore those for overall mortality. " Therefore, using overall mortality, the authors conclude: " The reliable evidence does not indicate any survival benefit of mass screening for breast cancer. " " The two best trials failed to find an effect of screening on deaths ascribed to breast cancer after 13 years. " " We have also confirmed, ... that screening leads to more aggressive treatment, increasing the number of mastectomies by about 20% and the number of mastectomies and tumourectomies by about 30%. " " Screening identifies some slow-growing tumours that would never have developed into cancer in the women's remaining lifetimes, as well as cell changes that are histologically cancer but biologically benign. " " Furthermore, carcinoma in situ does not always develop into invasive cancer, but since these early lesions are often diffuse, women are sometimes treated by bilateral mastectomy. " " Therefore, the increase in surgery rates could also be an underestimate, since reoperations and operations in the contralateral breast seemed not to have been included. " " Furthermore, 'better' diagnostic methods--eg, better mammograms--could lead to additional over-treatment because of detection of even more early or questionable lesions. " Quality assurance programmes could possibly reduce the surgical activity to some degree, but the above problems cannot be avoided. The authors note that their earlier report has been criticised, but that now " all relevant criticism has now been addressed in our review, " and they stand by their conclusions. " We have provided detailed evidence on the mammography screening trials, and hope that women, clinicians, and policy-makers will consider these findings carefully when they decide whether or not to attend or support screening programmes. " " Any hope or claim that screening mammography with more modern technologies than applied in these trials will reduce mortality without causing too much harm will have to be tested in large, well-conducted randomised trials with all-cause mortality as the primary outcome. " Screeningmammography--an overview revisited: Commentary The Lancet; Volume 358; 20 October 2001; 1284-1285 Horton THIS AUTHOR NOTES: " When Gøtzsche and Ole Olsen concluded last year that 'screening for breast cancer with mammography is unjustified', there was a storm of debate and criticism in national media and medical journals alike. " " These investigators, working at the respected Nordic Cochrane Centre, had conducted a systematic review of randomised trials of screening mammography. Gøtzsche and Olsen found that the quality of many of these trials was poor. The best trials, they claimed, did not provide evidence of a reduction in either total or breast-cancer mortality. " A crtitcism of the previous review by Gøtzsche and Olsen was that it was not a Cochrane Collaboration systematic review. In this Cochrane review, Gøtzsche and Olsen " summarise their findings and write that they have confirmed and extended their earlier conclusions. " " The Cochrane Collaboration has a rigorous and well-developed method for conducting systematic reviews. Cochrane reviews are of higher quality than reviews completed according to non-Cochrane protocols. It is for this reason that The Lancet is an enthusiastic partner of the Cochrane Collaboration. " " But the process of collaboration within the Cochrane Breast Cancer Group has broken down badly in the case of the Gøtzsche and Olsen overview. The resulting tensions among colleagues indicate that even in the best organisations raw evidence alone is sometimes insufficient to influence opinion. When the Nordic investigators submitted their systematic review to the editors of the Breast Cancer Group, they found that their conclusions were unwelcome. Rather than supporting their Nordic colleagues in the publication of their research, the Cochrane Breast Cancer Group editors insisted that changes, which Gøtzsche and Olsen disagreed with, be made to the review if it was to be published in the Cochrane Library. These changes appear in the Cochrane review against the authors' wishes, but not in the version posted on The Lancet's website today. The Cochrane editors added statements in the main results section of the abstract, which lent support to arguments in favour of screening, and excluded data about the effects of screening on subsequent treatment despite the fact that inclusion of these data was envisaged in the published protocol of the review. " " According to its ten key principles, the Cochrane Collaboration bases its scientific reputation on minimising bias and ensuring quality. But interference by Cochrane editors to insert what the authors of the overview believe to be invalid analyses erodes the academic freedom of these investigators. Editors make recommendations to authors all the time, but editors who insist on inappropriate analyses that seem to support a particular point of view hurt not only themselves and the institution they represent but also the credibility of the science they claim to value. " " At present, there is no reliable evidence from large randomised trials to support screening mammography programmes. " KEY POINTS FROM DAN MURPHY: (1) There is no reliable evidence to support screening mammography in order to reduce overall mortality. (2) Screening mammography leads to more aggressive treatment intervention, which may be unnecessary and /or actually harmful. (3) By its very nature, earlier detection ac a consequence of advances in technology will not alter the problem of more aggressive treatment intervention, which again may be unnecessary and /or actually harmful. (4) These conclusions remain extremely controversial and contentious among experts in the field. (5) For all of you whose life is affected by this article, you may be interested to know that an article with similar conclusions, by a different author, with more academic reasons for the finding, was published in 1995. I have included the abstract, as follows:: Screening mammography and public health policy: the need for perspective. The Lancet: 1995 Jul 1;346(8966):29-32 CJ, Mueller CB. The early trials of screening mammography, reporting 30% relative reduction in mortality from breast cancer in women over 50 years of age, led to strong professional and public demand for screening programmes. There has been little publicity about the subsequent trials showing no significant benefit in any age group, or about the harm and costs associated with screening mammography. For women under 50, there is a reluctant consensus that screening is not beneficial, but there is increasing pressure for publicly funded programmes for older women. When analysed in terms of population benefit, the randomised controlled prospective trials showed that the numbers of women screened to achieve one less death per year ranged from 7086 (Health Insurance Plan of New York), to 63,264 (Malmo), to infinity (Canadian National Breast Screening Study). About 5% of screening mammograms are positive or suspicious, and of these 80-93% are false positives that cause much unnecessary anxiety and further procedures including surgery. False reassurance by negative mammography occurs in 10-15% of women with breast cancer that will manifest clinically within a year. Our calculations confirm others that the mean annual cost per life " saved " is around $1-2 million (558,000 pounds). In the allocation of limited resources, public health policy on a proposed mass population intervention must be based on a critical analysis of benefits, harm, and cost. Since the benefit achieved is marginal, the harm caused is substantial, and the costs incurred are enormous, we suggest that public funding for breast cancer screening in any age group is not justifiable. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 It is sad to discover that healthcare is often no more than a rabbit's foot, especially highly touted medical care. I currently must agree that breast x-rays are an option to all women, but that option is certainly of arguable value given the harm of any dose of radiation to highly carcinogenic tissue. Your opinion that women with metastatic CA would always wish they would have discovered the cancer sooner is not logically supportive of the effectiveness of the screening tools, nor does it follow that if they had earlier screening that they would not have developed metastatic CA. Your true complaint appears related to the realization that we cannot choose our natural form of death. Given the wide variety of deadly medical interventions available, there are many forms of socially supported (self-inflicted?) iatrogenic death and suffering available to augment or replace the natural ones. It is a relief to know that some of the natural forms of death may be preferable to those sought in their stead; however, I have yet to see any useful research describing the pros and cons of natural vs. unnatural death from cancer that have provided enough clarity to discard the natural forms without careful reasoning. Early detection is best achieved by observing what country you live in (alias lifestyle), what's found in your refrigerator and diet (alias lifestyle), and your genetic heritage. You can always change the first two. Waiting for a positive mammogram does not appear on the effect list as of today's date. Sincerely, Willard Breast Cancer sharron: i agree with your observation on 'earlier' detection....... one of the continually amazing elements of never-resolved debates in related fields of health care, is EITHER side of any issue eventually resorts to a financial red herring, ie " it is NOT cost effective " if they are against [insert issue here]; and if they believe the opposite, this phrase becomes " it is a SMALL price to pay for assurance [issue] will not affect [population] with a preventable disease....... the Hog of Social Welfare doesn't squeal loudly unless its on trough is threatened.... for myself i wonder how many lives could be saved if we hadn't invested in so much nuclear overkill armaments.... part of the benefit of the " health cost " has to be support for those 'health facilities and personnel'......just as a single cruise missle may be used effectively or (quoting our Top Dog) " wasted on an empty tent or hitting a camel in the butt " ......... another issue off the point is the entire project, which may save " ONLY " one life, this still remains LESS than a single 60-second SuperBowl advertising spot.....so what is really the issue, is there is not enough grass roots support demanding the availability of this service. Moving out of the PUBLIC trough though, into PRIVATE coverage, what do the figures reveal? Something quite different I would wager..... J Pedersen DC Breast Cancer Listmates, Recently there was a discussion on mammograms and breast cancer. Although this is a bit late, I am passing it along to those interested. It is part of an e-mailing that Dr. Dan sends out by subscription. Mike Underhill ****************************** Cochrane review on screening for breast cancer with mammography The Lancet; Volume 358; 20 October 2001; Pages 1340-1342 Ole Olsen and C Gøtzsche FROM ABSTRACT: In 2000, we reported that there is no reliable evidence that screening for breast cancer reduces mortality. As we discuss here, a Cochrane review has now confirmed and strengthened our previous findings. The review also shows that breast-cancer mortality is a misleading outcome measure. Finally, we use data supplemental to those in the Cochrane review to show that screening leads to more aggressive treatment. THESE AUTHORS ALSO NOTE: These authors previously assessed the results of the seven randomised trials of screening mammography, and " concluded that screening is unjustified because there is no reliable evidence that it reduces mortality. " (P.C. Gøtzsche and O. Olsen , Is screening for breast cancer with mammography justifiable?. Lancet 355 (2000), pp. 129-134). In this Cochrane review The authors paid close attention to the standard dimensions of methodological quality of mammography screening trials, and " confirmed and strengthened our original conclusion. " This review " provided evidence that assessment of cause of death is unreliable and biased in favour of screening, " because " uncertain causes of death were significantly more commonly ascribed to breast cancer than to other causes in the control group. " " Treatment of early cancers by tumourectomy and radiotherapy might increase the likelihood that deaths among screen-detected breast cancer cases will be misclassified as deaths from other causes, particularly other cancers. " The authors " noted that the two trials with medium-quality data failed to find an effect of screening on deaths ascribed to any cancer, including breast cancer. " " The greater use of radiotherapy in screened women than in controls is expected to increase overall mortality because of cardiovascular adverse effects. These deaths were not counted as deaths related to screening in the trials we assessed. " " The main outcome measure in the screening trials was breast-cancer mortality. " " However, we showed that the assumption that a demonstrated effect on breast-cancer mortality can be translated into a reduction in overall mortality rests on suppositions that are not correct. The only reliable mortality estimates are therefore those for overall mortality. " Therefore, using overall mortality, the authors conclude: " The reliable evidence does not indicate any survival benefit of mass screening for breast cancer. " " The two best trials failed to find an effect of screening on deaths ascribed to breast cancer after 13 years. " " We have also confirmed, ... that screening leads to more aggressive treatment, increasing the number of mastectomies by about 20% and the number of mastectomies and tumourectomies by about 30%. " " Screening identifies some slow-growing tumours that would never have developed into cancer in the women's remaining lifetimes, as well as cell changes that are histologically cancer but biologically benign. " " Furthermore, carcinoma in situ does not always develop into invasive cancer, but since these early lesions are often diffuse, women are sometimes treated by bilateral mastectomy. " " Therefore, the increase in surgery rates could also be an underestimate, since reoperations and operations in the contralateral breast seemed not to have been included. " " Furthermore, 'better' diagnostic methods--eg, better mammograms--could lead to additional over-treatment because of detection of even more early or questionable lesions. " Quality assurance programmes could possibly reduce the surgical activity to some degree, but the above problems cannot be avoided. The authors note that their earlier report has been criticised, but that now " all relevant criticism has now been addressed in our review, " and they stand by their conclusions. " We have provided detailed evidence on the mammography screening trials, and hope that women, clinicians, and policy-makers will consider these findings carefully when they decide whether or not to attend or support screening programmes. " " Any hope or claim that screening mammography with more modern technologies than applied in these trials will reduce mortality without causing too much harm will have to be tested in large, well-conducted randomised trials with all-cause mortality as the primary outcome. " Screeningmammography--an overview revisited: Commentary The Lancet; Volume 358; 20 October 2001; 1284-1285 Horton THIS AUTHOR NOTES: " When Gøtzsche and Ole Olsen concluded last year that 'screening for breast cancer with mammography is unjustified', there was a storm of debate and criticism in national media and medical journals alike. " " These investigators, working at the respected Nordic Cochrane Centre, had conducted a systematic review of randomised trials of screening mammography. Gøtzsche and Olsen found that the quality of many of these trials was poor. The best trials, they claimed, did not provide evidence of a reduction in either total or breast-cancer mortality. " A crtitcism of the previous review by Gøtzsche and Olsen was that it was not a Cochrane Collaboration systematic review. In this Cochrane review, Gøtzsche and Olsen " summarise their findings and write that they have confirmed and extended their earlier conclusions. " " The Cochrane Collaboration has a rigorous and well-developed method for conducting systematic reviews. Cochrane reviews are of higher quality than reviews completed according to non-Cochrane protocols. It is for this reason that The Lancet is an enthusiastic partner of the Cochrane Collaboration. " " But the process of collaboration within the Cochrane Breast Cancer Group has broken down badly in the case of the Gøtzsche and Olsen overview. The resulting tensions among colleagues indicate that even in the best organisations raw evidence alone is sometimes insufficient to influence opinion. When the Nordic investigators submitted their systematic review to the editors of the Breast Cancer Group, they found that their conclusions were unwelcome. Rather than supporting their Nordic colleagues in the publication of their research, the Cochrane Breast Cancer Group editors insisted that changes, which Gøtzsche and Olsen disagreed with, be made to the review if it was to be published in the Cochrane Library. These changes appear in the Cochrane review against the authors' wishes, but not in the version posted on The Lancet's website today. The Cochrane editors added statements in the main results section of the abstract, which lent support to arguments in favour of screening, and excluded data about the effects of screening on subsequent treatment despite the fact that inclusion of these data was envisaged in the published protocol of the review. " " According to its ten key principles, the Cochrane Collaboration bases its scientific reputation on minimising bias and ensuring quality. But interference by Cochrane editors to insert what the authors of the overview believe to be invalid analyses erodes the academic freedom of these investigators. Editors make recommendations to authors all the time, but editors who insist on inappropriate analyses that seem to support a particular point of view hurt not only themselves and the institution they represent but also the credibility of the science they claim to value. " " At present, there is no reliable evidence from large randomised trials to support screening mammography programmes. " KEY POINTS FROM DAN MURPHY: (1) There is no reliable evidence to support screening mammography in order to reduce overall mortality. (2) Screening mammography leads to more aggressive treatment intervention, which may be unnecessary and /or actually harmful. (3) By its very nature, earlier detection ac a consequence of advances in technology will not alter the problem of more aggressive treatment intervention, which again may be unnecessary and /or actually harmful. (4) These conclusions remain extremely controversial and contentious among experts in the field. (5) For all of you whose life is affected by this article, you may be interested to know that an article with similar conclusions, by a different author, with more academic reasons for the finding, was published in 1995. I have included the abstract, as follows:: Screening mammography and public health policy: the need for perspective. The Lancet: 1995 Jul 1;346(8966):29-32 CJ, Mueller CB. The early trials of screening mammography, reporting 30% relative reduction in mortality from breast cancer in women over 50 years of age, led to strong professional and public demand for screening programmes. There has been little publicity about the subsequent trials showing no significant benefit in any age group, or about the harm and costs associated with screening mammography. For women under 50, there is a reluctant consensus that screening is not beneficial, but there is increasing pressure for publicly funded programmes for older women. When analysed in terms of population benefit, the randomised controlled prospective trials showed that the numbers of women screened to achieve one less death per year ranged from 7086 (Health Insurance Plan of New York), to 63,264 (Malmo), to infinity (Canadian National Breast Screening Study). About 5% of screening mammograms are positive or suspicious, and of these 80-93% are false positives that cause much unnecessary anxiety and further procedures including surgery. False reassurance by negative mammography occurs in 10-15% of women with breast cancer that will manifest clinically within a year. Our calculations confirm others that the mean annual cost per life " saved " is around $1-2 million (558,000 pounds). In the allocation of limited resources, public health policy on a proposed mass population intervention must be based on a critical analysis of benefits, harm, and cost. Since the benefit achieved is marginal, the harm caused is substantial, and the costs incurred are enormous, we suggest that public funding for breast cancer screening in any age group is not justifiable. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 What I say is let the women answer for themselves as to what they would do and wish for...not an insurance company or someone else who may have a philosophical agenda. I am for prevention, not just pathological screening , but for me , if I can't have one I'll certainly try to get as much positive benefit as I can from the other. vty, sharron fuchs dc Breast Cancer sharron: i agree with your observation on 'earlier' detection....... one of the continually amazing elements of never-resolved debates in related fields of health care, is EITHER side of any issue eventually resorts to a financial red herring, ie " it is NOT cost effective " if they are against [insert issue here]; and if they believe the opposite, this phrase becomes " it is a SMALL price to pay for assurance [issue] will not affect [population] with a preventable disease....... the Hog of Social Welfare doesn't squeal loudly unless its on trough is threatened.... for myself i wonder how many lives could be saved if we hadn't invested in so much nuclear overkill armaments.... part of the benefit of the " health cost " has to be support for those 'health facilities and personnel'......just as a single cruise missle may be used effectively or (quoting our Top Dog) " wasted on an empty tent or hitting a camel in the butt " ......... another issue off the point is the entire project, which may save " ONLY " one life, this still remains LESS than a single 60-second SuperBowl advertising spot.....so what is really the issue, is there is not enough grass roots support demanding the availability of this service. Moving out of the PUBLIC trough though, into PRIVATE coverage, what do the figures reveal? Something quite different I would wager..... J Pedersen DC Breast Cancer Listmates, Recently there was a discussion on mammograms and breast cancer. Although this is a bit late, I am passing it along to those interested. It is part of an e-mailing that Dr. Dan sends out by subscription. Mike Underhill ****************************** Cochrane review on screening for breast cancer with mammography The Lancet; Volume 358; 20 October 2001; Pages 1340-1342 Ole Olsen and C Gøtzsche FROM ABSTRACT: In 2000, we reported that there is no reliable evidence that screening for breast cancer reduces mortality. As we discuss here, a Cochrane review has now confirmed and strengthened our previous findings. The review also shows that breast-cancer mortality is a misleading outcome measure. Finally, we use data supplemental to those in the Cochrane review to show that screening leads to more aggressive treatment. THESE AUTHORS ALSO NOTE: These authors previously assessed the results of the seven randomised trials of screening mammography, and " concluded that screening is unjustified because there is no reliable evidence that it reduces mortality. " (P.C. Gøtzsche and O. Olsen , Is screening for breast cancer with mammography justifiable?. Lancet 355 (2000), pp. 129-134). In this Cochrane review The authors paid close attention to the standard dimensions of methodological quality of mammography screening trials, and " confirmed and strengthened our original conclusion. " This review " provided evidence that assessment of cause of death is unreliable and biased in favour of screening, " because " uncertain causes of death were significantly more commonly ascribed to breast cancer than to other causes in the control group. " " Treatment of early cancers by tumourectomy and radiotherapy might increase the likelihood that deaths among screen-detected breast cancer cases will be misclassified as deaths from other causes, particularly other cancers. " The authors " noted that the two trials with medium-quality data failed to find an effect of screening on deaths ascribed to any cancer, including breast cancer. " " The greater use of radiotherapy in screened women than in controls is expected to increase overall mortality because of cardiovascular adverse effects. These deaths were not counted as deaths related to screening in the trials we assessed. " " The main outcome measure in the screening trials was breast-cancer mortality. " " However, we showed that the assumption that a demonstrated effect on breast-cancer mortality can be translated into a reduction in overall mortality rests on suppositions that are not correct. The only reliable mortality estimates are therefore those for overall mortality. " Therefore, using overall mortality, the authors conclude: " The reliable evidence does not indicate any survival benefit of mass screening for breast cancer. " " The two best trials failed to find an effect of screening on deaths ascribed to breast cancer after 13 years. " " We have also confirmed, ... that screening leads to more aggressive treatment, increasing the number of mastectomies by about 20% and the number of mastectomies and tumourectomies by about 30%. " " Screening identifies some slow-growing tumours that would never have developed into cancer in the women's remaining lifetimes, as well as cell changes that are histologically cancer but biologically benign. " " Furthermore, carcinoma in situ does not always develop into invasive cancer, but since these early lesions are often diffuse, women are sometimes treated by bilateral mastectomy. " " Therefore, the increase in surgery rates could also be an underestimate, since reoperations and operations in the contralateral breast seemed not to have been included. " " Furthermore, 'better' diagnostic methods--eg, better mammograms--could lead to additional over-treatment because of detection of even more early or questionable lesions. " Quality assurance programmes could possibly reduce the surgical activity to some degree, but the above problems cannot be avoided. The authors note that their earlier report has been criticised, but that now " all relevant criticism has now been addressed in our review, " and they stand by their conclusions. " We have provided detailed evidence on the mammography screening trials, and hope that women, clinicians, and policy-makers will consider these findings carefully when they decide whether or not to attend or support screening programmes. " " Any hope or claim that screening mammography with more modern technologies than applied in these trials will reduce mortality without causing too much harm will have to be tested in large, well-conducted randomised trials with all-cause mortality as the primary outcome. " Screeningmammography--an overview revisited: Commentary The Lancet; Volume 358; 20 October 2001; 1284-1285 Horton THIS AUTHOR NOTES: " When Gøtzsche and Ole Olsen concluded last year that 'screening for breast cancer with mammography is unjustified', there was a storm of debate and criticism in national media and medical journals alike. " " These investigators, working at the respected Nordic Cochrane Centre, had conducted a systematic review of randomised trials of screening mammography. Gøtzsche and Olsen found that the quality of many of these trials was poor. The best trials, they claimed, did not provide evidence of a reduction in either total or breast-cancer mortality. " A crtitcism of the previous review by Gøtzsche and Olsen was that it was not a Cochrane Collaboration systematic review. In this Cochrane review, Gøtzsche and Olsen " summarise their findings and write that they have confirmed and extended their earlier conclusions. " " The Cochrane Collaboration has a rigorous and well-developed method for conducting systematic reviews. Cochrane reviews are of higher quality than reviews completed according to non-Cochrane protocols. It is for this reason that The Lancet is an enthusiastic partner of the Cochrane Collaboration. " " But the process of collaboration within the Cochrane Breast Cancer Group has broken down badly in the case of the Gøtzsche and Olsen overview. The resulting tensions among colleagues indicate that even in the best organisations raw evidence alone is sometimes insufficient to influence opinion. When the Nordic investigators submitted their systematic review to the editors of the Breast Cancer Group, they found that their conclusions were unwelcome. Rather than supporting their Nordic colleagues in the publication of their research, the Cochrane Breast Cancer Group editors insisted that changes, which Gøtzsche and Olsen disagreed with, be made to the review if it was to be published in the Cochrane Library. These changes appear in the Cochrane review against the authors' wishes, but not in the version posted on The Lancet's website today. The Cochrane editors added statements in the main results section of the abstract, which lent support to arguments in favour of screening, and excluded data about the effects of screening on subsequent treatment despite the fact that inclusion of these data was envisaged in the published protocol of the review. " " According to its ten key principles, the Cochrane Collaboration bases its scientific reputation on minimising bias and ensuring quality. But interference by Cochrane editors to insert what the authors of the overview believe to be invalid analyses erodes the academic freedom of these investigators. Editors make recommendations to authors all the time, but editors who insist on inappropriate analyses that seem to support a particular point of view hurt not only themselves and the institution they represent but also the credibility of the science they claim to value. " " At present, there is no reliable evidence from large randomised trials to support screening mammography programmes. " KEY POINTS FROM DAN MURPHY: (1) There is no reliable evidence to support screening mammography in order to reduce overall mortality. (2) Screening mammography leads to more aggressive treatment intervention, which may be unnecessary and /or actually harmful. (3) By its very nature, earlier detection ac a consequence of advances in technology will not alter the problem of more aggressive treatment intervention, which again may be unnecessary and /or actually harmful. (4) These conclusions remain extremely controversial and contentious among experts in the field. (5) For all of you whose life is affected by this article, you may be interested to know that an article with similar conclusions, by a different author, with more academic reasons for the finding, was published in 1995. I have included the abstract, as follows:: Screening mammography and public health policy: the need for perspective. The Lancet: 1995 Jul 1;346(8966):29-32 CJ, Mueller CB. The early trials of screening mammography, reporting 30% relative reduction in mortality from breast cancer in women over 50 years of age, led to strong professional and public demand for screening programmes. There has been little publicity about the subsequent trials showing no significant benefit in any age group, or about the harm and costs associated with screening mammography. For women under 50, there is a reluctant consensus that screening is not beneficial, but there is increasing pressure for publicly funded programmes for older women. When analysed in terms of population benefit, the randomised controlled prospective trials showed that the numbers of women screened to achieve one less death per year ranged from 7086 (Health Insurance Plan of New York), to 63,264 (Malmo), to infinity (Canadian National Breast Screening Study). About 5% of screening mammograms are positive or suspicious, and of these 80-93% are false positives that cause much unnecessary anxiety and further procedures including surgery. False reassurance by negative mammography occurs in 10-15% of women with breast cancer that will manifest clinically within a year. Our calculations confirm others that the mean annual cost per life " saved " is around $1-2 million (558,000 pounds). In the allocation of limited resources, public health policy on a proposed mass population intervention must be based on a critical analysis of benefits, harm, and cost. Since the benefit achieved is marginal, the harm caused is substantial, and the costs incurred are enormous, we suggest that public funding for breast cancer screening in any age group is not justifiable. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 I like what your saying, Sharron et al, but the winning argument goes to the one paying the bill. Also, we all know that patients are more likely than not opinionated by those who can afford to advertise during Super Bowl games, and not science and logic. And thirdly, most people want to avoid any discipline that changes this opinion! They have a right to it...so I say wellness care is a tough sell, unless, some major energy and profit is built into it. Steve L. Breast Cancer > > > Listmates, > Recently there was a discussion on mammograms and breast cancer. > Although this is a bit late, I am passing it along to those interested. > It is part of an e-mailing that Dr. Dan sends out by subscription. > Mike Underhill > > ****************************** > > > Cochrane review on screening for breast cancer with mammography > > The Lancet; Volume 358; 20 October 2001; Pages 1340-1342 > > Ole Olsen and C Gøtzsche > > FROM ABSTRACT: > > In 2000, we reported that there is no reliable evidence that screening > for breast cancer reduces mortality. > > As we discuss here, a Cochrane review has now confirmed and strengthened > our previous findings. > > The review also shows that breast-cancer mortality is a misleading > outcome measure. > > Finally, we use data supplemental to those in the Cochrane review to > show that screening leads to more aggressive treatment. > > THESE AUTHORS ALSO NOTE: > > These authors previously assessed the results of the seven randomised > trials of screening mammography, and " concluded that screening is > unjustified because there is no reliable evidence that it reduces > mortality. " > (P.C. Gøtzsche and O. Olsen , Is screening for breast cancer with > mammography justifiable?. Lancet 355 (2000), pp. 129-134). > > In this Cochrane review The authors paid close attention to the standard > dimensions of methodological quality of mammography screening trials, and > " confirmed and strengthened our original conclusion. " > > This review " provided evidence that assessment of cause of death is > unreliable and biased in favour of screening, " because " uncertain causes > of death were significantly more commonly ascribed to breast cancer than > to other causes in the control group. " > > " Treatment of early cancers by tumourectomy and radiotherapy might > increase the likelihood that deaths among screen-detected breast cancer > cases will be misclassified as deaths from other causes, particularly > other cancers. " > The authors " noted that the two trials with medium-quality data failed > to find an effect of screening on deaths ascribed to any cancer, > including breast cancer. " > > " The greater use of radiotherapy in screened women than in controls is > expected to increase overall mortality because of cardiovascular adverse > effects. These deaths were not counted as deaths related to screening in > the trials we assessed. " > > " The main outcome measure in the screening trials was breast-cancer > mortality. " > > " However, we showed that the assumption that a demonstrated effect on > breast-cancer mortality can be translated into a reduction in overall > mortality rests on suppositions that are not correct. The only reliable > mortality estimates are therefore those for overall mortality. " > > Therefore, using overall mortality, the authors conclude: > " The reliable evidence does not indicate any survival benefit of mass > screening for breast cancer. " > > " The two best trials failed to find an effect of screening on deaths > ascribed to breast cancer after 13 years. " > > " We have also confirmed, ... that screening leads to more aggressive > treatment, increasing the number of mastectomies by about 20% and the > number of mastectomies and tumourectomies by about 30%. " > > " Screening identifies some slow-growing tumours that would never have > developed into cancer in the women's remaining lifetimes, as well as > cell changes that are histologically cancer but biologically benign. " > > " Furthermore, carcinoma in situ does not always develop into invasive > cancer, but since these early lesions are often diffuse, women are > sometimes treated by bilateral mastectomy. " > > " Therefore, the increase in surgery rates could also be an > underestimate, since reoperations and operations in the contralateral > breast seemed not to have been included. " > > " Furthermore, 'better' diagnostic methods--eg, better mammograms--could > lead to additional over-treatment because of detection of even more > early or questionable lesions. " > > Quality assurance programmes could possibly reduce the surgical activity > to > some degree, but the above problems cannot be avoided. > > The authors note that their earlier report has been criticised, but that > now " all relevant criticism has now been addressed in our review, " and > they stand by their conclusions. > > " We have provided detailed evidence on the mammography screening trials, > and hope that women, clinicians, and policy-makers will consider these > findings > carefully when they decide whether or not to attend or support screening > programmes. " > > " Any hope or claim that screening mammography with more modern > technologies than applied in these trials will reduce mortality without > causing too much harm will have to be tested in large, well-conducted > randomised trials > with all-cause mortality as the primary outcome. " > > Screeningmammography--an overview revisited: Commentary > > The Lancet; Volume 358; 20 October 2001; 1284-1285 > > Horton > > THIS AUTHOR NOTES: > > " When Gøtzsche and Ole Olsen concluded last year that 'screening > for breast cancer with mammography is unjustified', there was a storm of > debate and criticism in national media and medical journals alike. " > > " These investigators, working at the respected Nordic Cochrane Centre, > had conducted a systematic review of randomised trials of screening > mammography. Gøtzsche and Olsen found that the quality of many of these > trials was poor. The best trials, they claimed, did not provide evidence > of a reduction in either total or breast-cancer mortality. " > > A crtitcism of the previous review by Gøtzsche and Olsen was that it was > not a Cochrane Collaboration systematic review. > > In this Cochrane review, Gøtzsche and Olsen " summarise their findings > and write that they have confirmed and extended their earlier > conclusions. " > > " The Cochrane Collaboration has a rigorous and well-developed method for > conducting systematic reviews. Cochrane reviews are of higher quality > than > reviews completed according to non-Cochrane protocols. It is for this > reason that The Lancet is an enthusiastic partner of the Cochrane > Collaboration. " > > " But the process of collaboration within the Cochrane Breast Cancer > Group has broken down badly in the case of the Gøtzsche and Olsen > overview. The resulting tensions among colleagues indicate that even in > the best organisations raw evidence alone is sometimes insufficient to > influence opinion. When the Nordic investigators submitted their > systematic review to the editors of the Breast Cancer Group, they found > that their conclusions were unwelcome. Rather than supporting their > Nordic colleagues in the publication of their research, the Cochrane > Breast Cancer Group editors insisted that changes, which Gøtzsche and > Olsen disagreed with, be made to the review if it was to be published in > the Cochrane Library. These changes appear in the Cochrane review > against the authors' wishes, but not in the version posted on The > Lancet's website today. The Cochrane editors added statements in the > main results section of the abstract, which lent support to arguments in > favour of screening, and excluded data about the effects of screening on > subsequent > treatment despite the fact that inclusion of these data was envisaged in > the published protocol of the review. " > > " According to its ten key principles, the Cochrane Collaboration bases > its scientific reputation on minimising bias and ensuring quality. But > interference by Cochrane editors to insert what the authors of the > overview believe to be invalid analyses erodes the academic freedom of > these investigators. Editors make recommendations to authors all the > time, but editors who insist on inappropriate analyses that seem to > support a particular point of view hurt not only themselves and the > institution they represent but also the credibility of the science they > claim to value. " > > " At present, there is no reliable evidence from large randomised trials > to support screening mammography programmes. " > > KEY POINTS FROM DAN MURPHY: > > (1) There is no reliable evidence to support screening mammography in > order to reduce overall mortality. > > (2) Screening mammography leads to more aggressive treatment > intervention, which may be unnecessary and /or actually harmful. > > (3) By its very nature, earlier detection ac a consequence of advances > in technology will not alter the problem of more aggressive treatment > intervention, which again may be unnecessary and /or actually harmful. > > (4) These conclusions remain extremely controversial and contentious > among experts in the field. > > (5) For all of you whose life is affected by this article, you may be > interested to know that an article with similar conclusions, by a > different author, with more academic reasons for the finding, was > published in 1995. I have included the abstract, as follows:: > > Screening mammography and public health policy: the need for perspective. > > The Lancet: 1995 Jul 1;346(8966):29-32 > > CJ, Mueller CB. > > The early trials of screening mammography, reporting 30% relative > reduction in mortality from breast cancer in women over 50 years of age, > led to strong professional and public demand for screening programmes. > There has been little publicity about the subsequent trials showing no > significant benefit in any age group, or about the harm and costs > associated with screening mammography. For women under 50, there is a > reluctant consensus that screening is not beneficial, but there is > increasing pressure for publicly funded programmes for older women. When > analysed in terms of population benefit, the randomised controlled > prospective trials showed that the numbers of women screened to achieve > one less death per year ranged from 7086 (Health Insurance Plan of New > York), to 63,264 (Malmo), to infinity (Canadian National Breast > Screening Study). About 5% of screening mammograms are positive or > suspicious, and of these 80-93% are false positives that cause much > unnecessary anxiety and further procedures including surgery. False > reassurance by negative mammography occurs in 10-15% of women with > breast cancer that will manifest clinically within a year. Our > calculations confirm others that the mean annual cost per life " saved " > is around $1-2 million (558,000 pounds). In the allocation of limited > resources, public health policy on a proposed mass population > intervention must be based on a critical analysis of benefits, harm, and > cost. Since the benefit achieved is marginal, the harm caused is > substantial, and the costs incurred are enormous, we suggest that public > funding for breast cancer screening in any age group is not justifiable. > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 Hi, Yes, the winning argument goes to the one paying the bill but that doesn't change the underlying questions of what is right for this person given their state of health or unhealth. Even if the insurance company won't pay for it then perhaps the person or other organizations will fund it. Give the information and let the people decide for themselves - right ? wrong ? good ? bad ? good life ? good death ? I can't and I refuse to say otherwise. vty , sharron fuchs dc Re: Breast Cancer I like what your saying, Sharron et al, but the winning argument goes to the one paying the bill. Also, we all know that patients are more likely than not opinionated by those who can afford to advertise during Super Bowl games, and not science and logic. And thirdly, most people want to avoid any discipline that changes this opinion! They have a right to it...so I say wellness care is a tough sell, unless, some major energy and profit is built into it. Steve L. Breast Cancer > > > Listmates, > Recently there was a discussion on mammograms and breast cancer. > Although this is a bit late, I am passing it along to those interested. > It is part of an e-mailing that Dr. Dan sends out by subscription. > Mike Underhill > > ****************************** > > > Cochrane review on screening for breast cancer with mammography > > The Lancet; Volume 358; 20 October 2001; Pages 1340-1342 > > Ole Olsen and C Gøtzsche > > FROM ABSTRACT: > > In 2000, we reported that there is no reliable evidence that screening > for breast cancer reduces mortality. > > As we discuss here, a Cochrane review has now confirmed and strengthened > our previous findings. > > The review also shows that breast-cancer mortality is a misleading > outcome measure. > > Finally, we use data supplemental to those in the Cochrane review to > show that screening leads to more aggressive treatment. > > THESE AUTHORS ALSO NOTE: > > These authors previously assessed the results of the seven randomised > trials of screening mammography, and " concluded that screening is > unjustified because there is no reliable evidence that it reduces > mortality. " > (P.C. Gøtzsche and O. Olsen , Is screening for breast cancer with > mammography justifiable?. Lancet 355 (2000), pp. 129-134). > > In this Cochrane review The authors paid close attention to the standard > dimensions of methodological quality of mammography screening trials, and > " confirmed and strengthened our original conclusion. " > > This review " provided evidence that assessment of cause of death is > unreliable and biased in favour of screening, " because " uncertain causes > of death were significantly more commonly ascribed to breast cancer than > to other causes in the control group. " > > " Treatment of early cancers by tumourectomy and radiotherapy might > increase the likelihood that deaths among screen-detected breast cancer > cases will be misclassified as deaths from other causes, particularly > other cancers. " > The authors " noted that the two trials with medium-quality data failed > to find an effect of screening on deaths ascribed to any cancer, > including breast cancer. " > > " The greater use of radiotherapy in screened women than in controls is > expected to increase overall mortality because of cardiovascular adverse > effects. These deaths were not counted as deaths related to screening in > the trials we assessed. " > > " The main outcome measure in the screening trials was breast-cancer > mortality. " > > " However, we showed that the assumption that a demonstrated effect on > breast-cancer mortality can be translated into a reduction in overall > mortality rests on suppositions that are not correct. The only reliable > mortality estimates are therefore those for overall mortality. " > > Therefore, using overall mortality, the authors conclude: > " The reliable evidence does not indicate any survival benefit of mass > screening for breast cancer. " > > " The two best trials failed to find an effect of screening on deaths > ascribed to breast cancer after 13 years. " > > " We have also confirmed, ... that screening leads to more aggressive > treatment, increasing the number of mastectomies by about 20% and the > number of mastectomies and tumourectomies by about 30%. " > > " Screening identifies some slow-growing tumours that would never have > developed into cancer in the women's remaining lifetimes, as well as > cell changes that are histologically cancer but biologically benign. " > > " Furthermore, carcinoma in situ does not always develop into invasive > cancer, but since these early lesions are often diffuse, women are > sometimes treated by bilateral mastectomy. " > > " Therefore, the increase in surgery rates could also be an > underestimate, since reoperations and operations in the contralateral > breast seemed not to have been included. " > > " Furthermore, 'better' diagnostic methods--eg, better mammograms--could > lead to additional over-treatment because of detection of even more > early or questionable lesions. " > > Quality assurance programmes could possibly reduce the surgical activity > to > some degree, but the above problems cannot be avoided. > > The authors note that their earlier report has been criticised, but that > now " all relevant criticism has now been addressed in our review, " and > they stand by their conclusions. > > " We have provided detailed evidence on the mammography screening trials, > and hope that women, clinicians, and policy-makers will consider these > findings > carefully when they decide whether or not to attend or support screening > programmes. " > > " Any hope or claim that screening mammography with more modern > technologies than applied in these trials will reduce mortality without > causing too much harm will have to be tested in large, well-conducted > randomised trials > with all-cause mortality as the primary outcome. " > > Screeningmammography--an overview revisited: Commentary > > The Lancet; Volume 358; 20 October 2001; 1284-1285 > > Horton > > THIS AUTHOR NOTES: > > " When Gøtzsche and Ole Olsen concluded last year that 'screening > for breast cancer with mammography is unjustified', there was a storm of > debate and criticism in national media and medical journals alike. " > > " These investigators, working at the respected Nordic Cochrane Centre, > had conducted a systematic review of randomised trials of screening > mammography. Gøtzsche and Olsen found that the quality of many of these > trials was poor. The best trials, they claimed, did not provide evidence > of a reduction in either total or breast-cancer mortality. " > > A crtitcism of the previous review by Gøtzsche and Olsen was that it was > not a Cochrane Collaboration systematic review. > > In this Cochrane review, Gøtzsche and Olsen " summarise their findings > and write that they have confirmed and extended their earlier > conclusions. " > > " The Cochrane Collaboration has a rigorous and well-developed method for > conducting systematic reviews. Cochrane reviews are of higher quality > than > reviews completed according to non-Cochrane protocols. It is for this > reason that The Lancet is an enthusiastic partner of the Cochrane > Collaboration. " > > " But the process of collaboration within the Cochrane Breast Cancer > Group has broken down badly in the case of the Gøtzsche and Olsen > overview. The resulting tensions among colleagues indicate that even in > the best organisations raw evidence alone is sometimes insufficient to > influence opinion. When the Nordic investigators submitted their > systematic review to the editors of the Breast Cancer Group, they found > that their conclusions were unwelcome. Rather than supporting their > Nordic colleagues in the publication of their research, the Cochrane > Breast Cancer Group editors insisted that changes, which Gøtzsche and > Olsen disagreed with, be made to the review if it was to be published in > the Cochrane Library. These changes appear in the Cochrane review > against the authors' wishes, but not in the version posted on The > Lancet's website today. The Cochrane editors added statements in the > main results section of the abstract, which lent support to arguments in > favour of screening, and excluded data about the effects of screening on > subsequent > treatment despite the fact that inclusion of these data was envisaged in > the published protocol of the review. " > > " According to its ten key principles, the Cochrane Collaboration bases > its scientific reputation on minimising bias and ensuring quality. But > interference by Cochrane editors to insert what the authors of the > overview believe to be invalid analyses erodes the academic freedom of > these investigators. Editors make recommendations to authors all the > time, but editors who insist on inappropriate analyses that seem to > support a particular point of view hurt not only themselves and the > institution they represent but also the credibility of the science they > claim to value. " > > " At present, there is no reliable evidence from large randomised trials > to support screening mammography programmes. " > > KEY POINTS FROM DAN MURPHY: > > (1) There is no reliable evidence to support screening mammography in > order to reduce overall mortality. > > (2) Screening mammography leads to more aggressive treatment > intervention, which may be unnecessary and /or actually harmful. > > (3) By its very nature, earlier detection ac a consequence of advances > in technology will not alter the problem of more aggressive treatment > intervention, which again may be unnecessary and /or actually harmful. > > (4) These conclusions remain extremely controversial and contentious > among experts in the field. > > (5) For all of you whose life is affected by this article, you may be > interested to know that an article with similar conclusions, by a > different author, with more academic reasons for the finding, was > published in 1995. I have included the abstract, as follows:: > > Screening mammography and public health policy: the need for perspective. > > The Lancet: 1995 Jul 1;346(8966):29-32 > > CJ, Mueller CB. > > The early trials of screening mammography, reporting 30% relative > reduction in mortality from breast cancer in women over 50 years of age, > led to strong professional and public demand for screening programmes. > There has been little publicity about the subsequent trials showing no > significant benefit in any age group, or about the harm and costs > associated with screening mammography. For women under 50, there is a > reluctant consensus that screening is not beneficial, but there is > increasing pressure for publicly funded programmes for older women. When > analysed in terms of population benefit, the randomised controlled > prospective trials showed that the numbers of women screened to achieve > one less death per year ranged from 7086 (Health Insurance Plan of New > York), to 63,264 (Malmo), to infinity (Canadian National Breast > Screening Study). About 5% of screening mammograms are positive or > suspicious, and of these 80-93% are false positives that cause much > unnecessary anxiety and further procedures including surgery. False > reassurance by negative mammography occurs in 10-15% of women with > breast cancer that will manifest clinically within a year. Our > calculations confirm others that the mean annual cost per life " saved " > is around $1-2 million (558,000 pounds). In the allocation of limited > resources, public health policy on a proposed mass population > intervention must be based on a critical analysis of benefits, harm, and > cost. Since the benefit achieved is marginal, the harm caused is > substantial, and the costs incurred are enormous, we suggest that public > funding for breast cancer screening in any age group is not justifiable. > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 Sharon, I guess that is part of our job then. So we can get the info out by teaching in our practices, by voting and crafting/supporting initiatives that give choices and form mechanisms that encourage the diseminatioon of good info, react legally when appropriate, and take contol of what we as a profession ought to. It seems overwhelming but I don't know of any other way. It may be that if we can keep these good motives and professional character in the forefront of our minds and actions, the association thing could be of great benefit. Thanks for the opportunity to dream a bit. Steve Lumsden Breast Cancer > > > > > > Listmates, > > Recently there was a discussion on mammograms and breast cancer. > > Although this is a bit late, I am passing it along to those interested. > > It is part of an e-mailing that Dr. Dan sends out by subscription. > > Mike Underhill > > > > ****************************** > > > > > > Cochrane review on screening for breast cancer with mammography > > > > The Lancet; Volume 358; 20 October 2001; Pages 1340-1342 > > > > Ole Olsen and C Gøtzsche > > > > FROM ABSTRACT: > > > > In 2000, we reported that there is no reliable evidence that screening > > for breast cancer reduces mortality. > > > > As we discuss here, a Cochrane review has now confirmed and strengthened > > our previous findings. > > > > The review also shows that breast-cancer mortality is a misleading > > outcome measure. > > > > Finally, we use data supplemental to those in the Cochrane review to > > show that screening leads to more aggressive treatment. > > > > THESE AUTHORS ALSO NOTE: > > > > These authors previously assessed the results of the seven randomised > > trials of screening mammography, and " concluded that screening is > > unjustified because there is no reliable evidence that it reduces > > mortality. " > > (P.C. Gøtzsche and O. Olsen , Is screening for breast cancer with > > mammography justifiable?. Lancet 355 (2000), pp. 129-134). > > > > In this Cochrane review The authors paid close attention to the standard > > dimensions of methodological quality of mammography screening trials, and > > " confirmed and strengthened our original conclusion. " > > > > This review " provided evidence that assessment of cause of death is > > unreliable and biased in favour of screening, " because " uncertain causes > > of death were significantly more commonly ascribed to breast cancer than > > to other causes in the control group. " > > > > " Treatment of early cancers by tumourectomy and radiotherapy might > > increase the likelihood that deaths among screen-detected breast cancer > > cases will be misclassified as deaths from other causes, particularly > > other cancers. " > > The authors " noted that the two trials with medium-quality data failed > > to find an effect of screening on deaths ascribed to any cancer, > > including breast cancer. " > > > > " The greater use of radiotherapy in screened women than in controls is > > expected to increase overall mortality because of cardiovascular adverse > > effects. These deaths were not counted as deaths related to screening in > > the trials we assessed. " > > > > " The main outcome measure in the screening trials was breast-cancer > > mortality. " > > > > " However, we showed that the assumption that a demonstrated effect on > > breast-cancer mortality can be translated into a reduction in overall > > mortality rests on suppositions that are not correct. The only reliable > > mortality estimates are therefore those for overall mortality. " > > > > Therefore, using overall mortality, the authors conclude: > > " The reliable evidence does not indicate any survival benefit of mass > > screening for breast cancer. " > > > > " The two best trials failed to find an effect of screening on deaths > > ascribed to breast cancer after 13 years. " > > > > " We have also confirmed, ... that screening leads to more aggressive > > treatment, increasing the number of mastectomies by about 20% and the > > number of mastectomies and tumourectomies by about 30%. " > > > > " Screening identifies some slow-growing tumours that would never have > > developed into cancer in the women's remaining lifetimes, as well as > > cell changes that are histologically cancer but biologically benign. " > > > > " Furthermore, carcinoma in situ does not always develop into invasive > > cancer, but since these early lesions are often diffuse, women are > > sometimes treated by bilateral mastectomy. " > > > > " Therefore, the increase in surgery rates could also be an > > underestimate, since reoperations and operations in the contralateral > > breast seemed not to have been included. " > > > > " Furthermore, 'better' diagnostic methods--eg, better mammograms--could > > lead to additional over-treatment because of detection of even more > > early or questionable lesions. " > > > > Quality assurance programmes could possibly reduce the surgical activity > > to > > some degree, but the above problems cannot be avoided. > > > > The authors note that their earlier report has been criticised, but that > > now " all relevant criticism has now been addressed in our review, " and > > they stand by their conclusions. > > > > " We have provided detailed evidence on the mammography screening trials, > > and hope that women, clinicians, and policy-makers will consider these > > findings > > carefully when they decide whether or not to attend or support screening > > programmes. " > > > > " Any hope or claim that screening mammography with more modern > > technologies than applied in these trials will reduce mortality without > > causing too much harm will have to be tested in large, well-conducted > > randomised trials > > with all-cause mortality as the primary outcome. " > > > > Screeningmammography--an overview revisited: Commentary > > > > The Lancet; Volume 358; 20 October 2001; 1284-1285 > > > > Horton > > > > THIS AUTHOR NOTES: > > > > " When Gøtzsche and Ole Olsen concluded last year that 'screening > > for breast cancer with mammography is unjustified', there was a storm of > > debate and criticism in national media and medical journals alike. " > > > > " These investigators, working at the respected Nordic Cochrane Centre, > > had conducted a systematic review of randomised trials of screening > > mammography. Gøtzsche and Olsen found that the quality of many of these > > trials was poor. The best trials, they claimed, did not provide evidence > > of a reduction in either total or breast-cancer mortality. " > > > > A crtitcism of the previous review by Gøtzsche and Olsen was that it was > > not a Cochrane Collaboration systematic review. > > > > In this Cochrane review, Gøtzsche and Olsen " summarise their findings > > and write that they have confirmed and extended their earlier > > conclusions. " > > > > " The Cochrane Collaboration has a rigorous and well-developed method for > > conducting systematic reviews. Cochrane reviews are of higher quality > > than > > reviews completed according to non-Cochrane protocols. It is for this > > reason that The Lancet is an enthusiastic partner of the Cochrane > > Collaboration. " > > > > " But the process of collaboration within the Cochrane Breast Cancer > > Group has broken down badly in the case of the Gøtzsche and Olsen > > overview. The resulting tensions among colleagues indicate that even in > > the best organisations raw evidence alone is sometimes insufficient to > > influence opinion. When the Nordic investigators submitted their > > systematic review to the editors of the Breast Cancer Group, they found > > that their conclusions were unwelcome. Rather than supporting their > > Nordic colleagues in the publication of their research, the Cochrane > > Breast Cancer Group editors insisted that changes, which Gøtzsche and > > Olsen disagreed with, be made to the review if it was to be published in > > the Cochrane Library. These changes appear in the Cochrane review > > against the authors' wishes, but not in the version posted on The > > Lancet's website today. The Cochrane editors added statements in the > > main results section of the abstract, which lent support to arguments in > > favour of screening, and excluded data about the effects of screening on > > subsequent > > treatment despite the fact that inclusion of these data was envisaged in > > the published protocol of the review. " > > > > " According to its ten key principles, the Cochrane Collaboration bases > > its scientific reputation on minimising bias and ensuring quality. But > > interference by Cochrane editors to insert what the authors of the > > overview believe to be invalid analyses erodes the academic freedom of > > these investigators. Editors make recommendations to authors all the > > time, but editors who insist on inappropriate analyses that seem to > > support a particular point of view hurt not only themselves and the > > institution they represent but also the credibility of the science they > > claim to value. " > > > > " At present, there is no reliable evidence from large randomised trials > > to support screening mammography programmes. " > > > > KEY POINTS FROM DAN MURPHY: > > > > (1) There is no reliable evidence to support screening mammography in > > order to reduce overall mortality. > > > > (2) Screening mammography leads to more aggressive treatment > > intervention, which may be unnecessary and /or actually harmful. > > > > (3) By its very nature, earlier detection ac a consequence of advances > > in technology will not alter the problem of more aggressive treatment > > intervention, which again may be unnecessary and /or actually harmful. > > > > (4) These conclusions remain extremely controversial and contentious > > among experts in the field. > > > > (5) For all of you whose life is affected by this article, you may be > > interested to know that an article with similar conclusions, by a > > different author, with more academic reasons for the finding, was > > published in 1995. I have included the abstract, as follows:: > > > > Screening mammography and public health policy: the need for perspective. > > > > The Lancet: 1995 Jul 1;346(8966):29-32 > > > > CJ, Mueller CB. > > > > The early trials of screening mammography, reporting 30% relative > > reduction in mortality from breast cancer in women over 50 years of age, > > led to strong professional and public demand for screening programmes. > > There has been little publicity about the subsequent trials showing no > > significant benefit in any age group, or about the harm and costs > > associated with screening mammography. For women under 50, there is a > > reluctant consensus that screening is not beneficial, but there is > > increasing pressure for publicly funded programmes for older women. When > > analysed in terms of population benefit, the randomised controlled > > prospective trials showed that the numbers of women screened to achieve > > one less death per year ranged from 7086 (Health Insurance Plan of New > > York), to 63,264 (Malmo), to infinity (Canadian National Breast > > Screening Study). About 5% of screening mammograms are positive or > > suspicious, and of these 80-93% are false positives that cause much > > unnecessary anxiety and further procedures including surgery. False > > reassurance by negative mammography occurs in 10-15% of women with > > breast cancer that will manifest clinically within a year. Our > > calculations confirm others that the mean annual cost per life " saved " > > is around $1-2 million (558,000 pounds). In the allocation of limited > > resources, public health policy on a proposed mass population > > intervention must be based on a critical analysis of benefits, harm, and > > cost. Since the benefit achieved is marginal, the harm caused is > > substantial, and the costs incurred are enormous, we suggest that public > > funding for breast cancer screening in any age group is not justifiable. > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 Someone please answer the below message personally breast cancer > Name: SLR & #40;SmartLabRat & #41; > Email: awshux@... > Comments: hi, bob.. > > thanks for this site; i am desperate for up to date info on effective breast ca. modalities of ANY kind which have been demo'ed to work on humans w/ reasonable degree of effectiveness, without doing more harm than good to body overall, now & amp; down the road. my 99 year old mom does. > > i only got info a few eeeks ago from my brother ron, who';s been mom's primary caregiver for 2 1/2 yrs now.. > ron's great at nutrition somewhat with herbsd & amp; sup[plements. > > however he demoed that he did not know a medical-problem indicator from a hole in the wall, tending to ascribe many manifestations to non-body causes & amp; waffling on firmly dealing with the ineffective non-handling by mom's internist. > > i live in very-northern calif & amp; have found it hard to get all the necessary data from either mom [who didn;t have it] or brother ron [who devalued importance of the ca. indicators] for appx. 9 months. > i'm on my way down to mom's home in leisure world in orange county, so. calif. [got partway when car broke down.. twice.] am staying with friends & amp; w/b on my way again soon as i can get my car fixed. > > am using friend's puter; can access my own eml acct via website. found you thru & amp; entering alt. ca. > > i do have some leads.. ca. tx. have changed since i had colon ca. gerson thereapy is inapplicable to a woman w/ healing but still broken hip [pin & amp; playt\ter, not replacement], & amp; broken collarbone: the body logistics of coffee enemas would be nigh impossible.. so am looking for things her body [which is in surprisingly-good shape at 99 going on 100!] can tolerate & amp; utilize well. > i do have a couple of leads but not nearly specific enuf. am not expert @ search engine use. > > if you have applicable info, PLEASE send to awshux@.... > > my mom's a gutsy lady who has decided that she is ANOT cashing in her chips & amp; checking out just yet, thank you. said she will do whatever i recommend, as she considers me higly knowledgeable & amp; the medicos are mucking up badly. [luckily, she's been able to fend off the cut/burn/poison modalities so far.] > > major wall to wall inflamed breast, hard, painful.. could be inflammatory ca. her internist is a robotic, bumbling dolt.. a certified robot who does not follow even standard medical cookbook-medicine diagnostic procedures in the presence of 9 months of classic indicators. thus, ca. 'auddenly' appeared in breast with fullblown signs/symptoms, going from normal breast to fullblown inflammatory ca. indicators in ONE month. > not to mention GI tract indicators existing for 9 months. > > however, mom's gotten indicators & amp; dx. of other ca's & amp; other tough-stuff, gotten it fixzed with complementary combo of tx, & amp; soldiered on to age 99. > > deserves commendations galore for even considering keeping at it rather than cj\hecking out in the understanding that allowing this body to lapse is NOT the end of her existence as a being & amp; possibly as an embodied being. > > > god helps those who help themselves.. i do that & amp; so does my mom. jesus said to know the truth & amp; the truth will set you free.. which is an extremely practical metaphysical principle to apply in what we refer to as 'real life'. > > [iMHO: tj\hat's equally true of spoiritual matters, metaphysics, medicine, politics, family life, etc etc ad infinitum.] > therefore i am doing that with due diligence & amp; love. > > i did q. mom, re. what she actually wants for herself, uninfluenced by considerations about her family.. that i'd support her choice either way, 100%, & amp; get to so. cal in person to do that personally. > > she wants this particular life to continue for a while, in decent shape, so i'm backing her choiice all the way. > she was ref'd to a local br. ca. specialist, who could not find a ca cell with 1 standard biopsy followed by about 8-10 punches w/ larger bipsy needle.. > > thus being nonplused, this medical br. ca. specialitst is now [finally!] willing to do the 4 ca. immunomarker tests i told mom to ask for in first place. > > gee whiz 'n l;ittle fishes ! > > i beat colon cancer 20 yrs ago myself, with gerson therapy.. > > but since the body logistics make that one impractical, am seeking whatever else can help. i do mean anythiung, with proviso that it do more good than harm & amp; give mom better quyality of life even if she does nto make it to the mrotgage burning party \she mocked up which would occur at age 106. > > anything you can share w/ me which would help her achieve better quality of life, for as long as possible, is very much appreciated. > > thanks for wading thru this lenthy missive. > > warmest regards, > > SLR [smart lab rat] > > This message was sent to you from: > > 64.167.238.183 > > Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0; MSOCD) > Sun, Mar10, 2002 > 11:43 CDT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 I got this several months ago. I happened every few hours for a few weeks, a sharp stabbing pain, so I finally went to the doctor. I had read up first and saw that it is rare for this type of pain to be cancer, but it was quite painful and disturbing none the less. The doctor said it was probably a blocked milk duct. When I had the mamogram my breast were full off cysts, including one where the pain was. Fibrocystic breast I believe they call them? I suppose I have always had them, but I never had any pain result from it. Tthe pain died down over the next couple weeks and I haven't had it since. I think it is possible for it to be breast cancer, so it is probably best to have yourself checked anyway. Thanks, Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: <gettinghealthyto@...> > I have had quick sharp stinging sensations in my breast for about 4 months. > Has this happened to anyone and is it normal? I mentioned it to my neighbor > and she said that what I described happens to people with breast cancer. Has > this happened to anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 I found this quite interesting, that pain could be caused by a blocked milk duct, because I had an intraductal palpiloma in my breast about five years ago. First, I found a lump near my nipple, then discharge and ultimately blood began coming out of my nipple. For about six months, due to my terrible health insurance, the docs kept saying " let's wait and see, " though they all felt the lump too. When it started bleeding, they rushed me into surgery, and removed all of my milk ducts on that side and some breast tissue. I have always wondered if the milk duct blockage was yet another CFIDS things. Peggy In a message dated 1/22/03 6:26:16 PM, writes: << I got this several months ago. I happened every few hours for a few weeks, a sharp stabbing pain, so I finally went to the doctor. I had read up first and saw that it is rare for this type of pain to be cancer, but it was quite painful and disturbing none the less. The doctor said it was probably a blocked milk duct. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stricken: Voices from the Hidden Epidemic of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: http://www.angelfire.com/ri/strickenbk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 Yes, happens to me all the time, and I have Lyme and co. The pain was very bad for a few months then it completely disappeared and now it's back. Don't know exactly what it is but many Lyme people get this Nelly Breast Cancer > There has been some talk about cancer on this board and something has > happened to me that has been bothering me terribly so I think I will now > mention it. > > I have had quick sharp stinging sensations in my breast for about 4 months. > Has this happened to anyone and is it normal? I mentioned it to my neighbor > and she said that what I described happens to people with breast cancer. Has > this happened to anyone? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2003 Report Share Posted January 23, 2003 Hi: I have two cousins with breast CA (one deceased). I have not heard of that kind of pain with breast cancer but it would probably be a good idea to get it checked out. The other day I noticed (what I believe to be nipple retraction on the right). I feel stupid going to the doctor about it but I am. Maybe you should too if this continues. Have you had cysts before in the past near your cycle? Worn an underwire bra? Bumped or otherwise traumatized yourself? Since I have not heard it mentioned regarding breast cancer doesn't mean it doesn't exist for some. Please get it checked. Teena Breast Cancer There has been some talk about cancer on this board and something has happened to me that has been bothering me terribly so I think I will now mention it. I have had quick sharp stinging sensations in my breast for about 4 months. Has this happened to anyone and is it normal? I mentioned it to my neighbor and she said that what I described happens to people with breast cancer. Has this happened to anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 I would go for electro-therapy - the Bob Beck protocol for example or Rife. Very best wishes with you Breast Cancer > This is what I found on an internet search and confirms what my daughter told > me about her choices. > Christel > > Standard Stage III breast cancer treatment is modified radical mastectomy > with or without breast reconstruction. Lumpectomy may be performed if the tumor > may be cut free with one incision. Radiation and systemic therapy such as > chemotherapy or hormonal therapy often follows surgery. > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 . I was confused too about taking Natural progesterone cream – especially since I am actively curing my breast cancer. I met Dr. R. Lee at a cancer preventative conference in AZ. He recommends progesterone cream for women at all stages of development – but especially for the peri menopausal and the menopausal woman and surprisingly enough for women with breast cancer. His books, What your doctors don’t tell you about Menopause and What your Doctor may NOT tell you about Breast Cancer (How Hormone Balance can Help Save your Life) are a MUST read for you. They will answer ALL of your questions! He has a website too at http://www.johnleemd.com/ breast cancer Does anyone have information on whether or not women, especially menopausal women should be using progest cream (natural yam extract)? I have conflicting information and am very confused. Please advise is you have information. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 . I was confused too about taking Natural progesterone cream – especially since I am actively curing my breast cancer. I met Dr. R. Lee at a cancer preventative conference in AZ. He recommends progesterone cream for women at all stages of development – but especially for the peri menopausal and the menopausal woman and surprisingly enough for women with breast cancer. His books, What your doctors don’t tell you about Menopause and What your Doctor may NOT tell you about Breast Cancer (How Hormone Balance can Help Save your Life) are a MUST read for you. They will answer ALL of your questions! He has a website too at http://www.johnleemd.com/ breast cancer Does anyone have information on whether or not women, especially menopausal women should be using progest cream (natural yam extract)? I have conflicting information and am very confused. Please advise is you have information. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 You certainly have been through hell and back, rosalene. Are there any alternative healthcare practitioners in your area? It sounds like your system has been seriously compromised. You need find a practitioner who can help you get your immune system built back up again.The sooner the better! You can also review your diet and eliminate things like sugar (cancer feeds off it), refined flours (breads, pastries, etc.), over-processed foods, coffee and such. Cut your carbohydrate intake down real low and replace it with high quality protein and fats. There are plenty of good references to alternative diets and supplements that can help you with the cancer and rebuild your immune system. The most important thing is to find someone in your area that can get you started right away! Wishing you the best, Pat > I really would like some help, 3yrs ago I was diagnosed with stage 4 > according to the little chart one of the onocoligist RN's showed me I > had 4 months. Ihad breast surgert 6 months later lung 6 months more > exploratory found 3 inmy colon have taken chemo till I could bust I > was off for a few months last summer Aug' something showed on the > lung x-ray so PET scan scan showed cancer on the lung and one on my > chest which turned out to be a cyst on my back so it shows infection > as cancer. I feel this go around is just not right every other week > Gemzar & Carbo Platuim Decadron for pre-meds my complaint is the one > week I should feel half way decent my HCT is so low I have no energy > at all. My question is where is a good place to go ,for a second > opion. I live in Western Kansas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 Hi, An Oncologist whom I know very well is, according to my information, working in the alternative division, or maybe even starting it, I am not certain as to that, of Cancer Treatment Centers of America in Tulsa OK as of today, March 1st. She is Dr. Petra Ketterl. I would reccommend her to anyone wishing to work with alternatives to primarily cut, burn and Poison. I was her last appointment in town, TN. If you can check www.beckwithfamily.com for an account of things that have happened with the use of Flaxseed Oil and Cottage Cheese. Cliff B Breast Cancer I really would like some help, 3yrs ago I was diagnosed with stage 4 according to the little chart one of the onocoligist RN's showed me I had 4 months. Ihad breast surgert 6 months later lung 6 months more exploratory found 3 inmy colon have taken chemo till I could bust I was off for a few months last summer Aug' something showed on the lung x-ray so PET scan scan showed cancer on the lung and one on my chest which turned out to be a cyst on my back so it shows infection as cancer. I feel this go around is just not right every other week Gemzar & Carbo Platuim Decadron for pre-meds my complaint is the one week I should feel half way decent my HCT is so low I have no energy at all. My question is where is a good place to go ,for a second opion. I live in Western Kansas Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I learned quickly that doctors will never recommend you do or take anything that they cannot write a prescription for. I also don't believe statistics of any kind, because being stage IV breast cancer I should already be dead and I'm nowhere near that! C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Hi : My sense is that the chelidoneumplex would be good for drainage from a temporary " artificial " emunctory - drainage is good-that drain is needed more because of the surgery. I would recommend the 48 instead of the 20 in her case. Also there is some new research on breast cancer and 10-15 years later with radiation, mortality of heart complications, not high but there...I also recommend homeopathic cardiac tissue from Seroyal during radiation, esp with left sided breast cancer. Judy Fulop, ND Chicago >From: Tan <drktan@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Breast Cancer >Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:22:03 -1000 > >56 y/o woman dx with breast cancer (left side) last month, Stage 1, >estrogen positive nodes, micromets was found. lymph nodes removed on >left side. She has had lumpectomy and will be seeing the oncologist to >talk about chemo and radiation. Perimenopausal, menses every 90 days, >some hot flashes, PMS sx, hx fibroids. > >They have a drain in her left breast after the nodes were removed. Its >still draining and she is leaving for europe next wk for 3 wks. She >has been using her left arm as usual but this past wk when she >returned to her MD to see if the drain can be removed, she was told >that they couldn't yet cos there was still quite a lot of lymphatic >fluid that was coming out. So I wonder if its a good idea to use >anything that could increase/stimulate lymphatic drainage eg >Chelidoniumplex? skin brushing? > >Also would we do drainage differently since its estrogen positive? i >have her on 2, 20, 243. she might be starting chemo/radiation when she >gets back so there might not be much time before that for more >drainage. Any ideas? > > Tan, ND, LAc >Honolulu, HI > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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