Re: Could some dear soul take a look at my LABS?

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Buist, ND HC

Could some dear soul take a look at my LABS?

Hello:

I don’t have too many and I couldn’t get the Reverse T3, they never heard of it in this part of Canada.

I started Lugol’s 5% in July and by the end of September 2011, I was at 50 mg. Just to give you an idea. You will see things CHANGE once I got on the Iodine. And maybe normals are different in this country so I’ve included them. Also I think the Iodine has affected my kidneys.

Aug. 2011 Nov. 2011 Feb. 2012

TSH 3.35 9.44 11.23

I am not sure if this is a Canadian lab range or not. But this would be considered hypothyroid in the US (range .3 - 3.0)

Free T4 (9 – 23) 13 13 11

You are looking to be midrange. Since this is metric, you would try to get to 16 for optimum levels.

Free T3 (3.5 – 6.5) 4.4 4.3

Most feel best in the upper 1/3 of the range. So your goal would be at 5.5 or higher to obtain optimum results.

25-Hydroxy Vitamin D (75 – 250) 27

I am not sure how Canadian levels work - in the US you are trying to get to 50-70 but that wouldn't work in your ranges so I don't know.

Creatinine (50 -98) just a guess 53 42 41

I doubt this is related to iodine. Here are reasons why creatinine changes:

Reduced blood flow to the kidney due to shock, dehydration, congestive heart failure, atherosclerosis, or complications of diabetes

Ferritin don’t know 87

In the use you are trying to get to 50-60 - so I don't know what the ranges are for Canada.

Thanks a Lot,

Bonnie

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Thank you

Steph:

TSH

- you said that the TSH will RISE when we take Iodine for up to 6 months,

so I thought it was going as planned. It went from 3.0 to 11.0. Isn’t

that supposed to happen?

HOW can I get

the T4 to go higher?

How can I get

the T3 to go higher?

The 25-Hydroxy

Vitamin D is low. - would I just take Vitamin D3? You didn’t

say.

Bonnie

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iodine

Subject: Re: Could some

dear soul take a look at my LABS?

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comments are below in red.

Buist, ND HC

Could

some dear soul take a look at my LABS?

Hello:

I

don’t have too many and I couldn’t get the Reverse T3, they never

heard of it in this part of Canada.

I

started Lugol’s 5% in July and by the end of September 2011, I was

at 50 mg. Just to give you an idea. You will see things CHANGE once I got

on the Iodine. And maybe normals are different in this country so I’ve

included them. Also I think the Iodine has affected my kidneys.

Aug. 2011

Nov.

2011

Feb. 2012

TSH

3.35

9.44

11.23

I am not sure if this is a Canadian lab range or

not. But this would be considered hypothyroid in the US (range .3 -

3.0)

Free

T4 (9 –

23)

13

13

11

You are looking to be midrange. Since this is

metric, you would try to get to 16 for optimum levels.

Free

T3 (3.5 –

6.5)

4.4

4.3

Most feel best in the upper 1/3 of the range.

So your goal would be at 5.5 or higher to obtain optimum results.

25-Hydroxy

Vitamin D (75 –

250)

27

I am not sure how Canadian levels work - in the US you are

trying to get to 50-70 but that wouldn't work in your ranges so I don't know.

Creatinine

(50 -98) just a guess

53

42

41

I doubt this is related to iodine. Here are

reasons why creatinine changes:

Reduced blood flow to the kidney due to shock, dehydration, congestive heart failure, atherosclerosis, or complications of diabetes

Ferritin

don’t

know

87

In the use you are trying to get to 50-60 - so I

don't know what the ranges are for Canada.

Thanks a Lot,

Bonnie

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I have never said that TSH WILL rise when you take iodine. It MAY increase but in most cases it does not. You have high TSH with lower Free T3 and Free T4 values - that is a hypothyroid combination - not an "iodine effect".

My website has a list of thyroid supporting nutrients http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/ThyroidNutrients.html which can help in restoring thyroid health.

A clean diet of whole / real foods and no / low refined carbohydrates and sugars.

For some it is not possible to restore function naturally and then they must use a thyroid medication to increase values. This would be ERFA Thyroid for you since you are in Canada.

Buist, ND HC

Could some dear soul take a look at my LABS?

Hello:

I don’t have too many and I couldn’t get the Reverse T3, they never heard of it in this part of Canada.

I started Lugol’s 5% in July and by the end of September 2011, I was at 50 mg. Just to give you an idea. You will see things CHANGE once I got on the Iodine. And maybe normals are different in this country so I’ve included them. Also I think the Iodine has affected my kidneys.

Aug. 2011 Nov. 2011 Feb. 2012

TSH 3.35 9.44 11.23

I am not sure if this is a Canadian lab range or not. But this would be considered hypothyroid in the US (range .3 - 3.0)

Free T4 (9 – 23) 13 13 11

You are looking to be midrange. Since this is metric, you would try to get to 16 for optimum levels.

Free T3 (3.5 – 6.5) 4.4 4.3

Most feel best in the upper 1/3 of the range. So your goal would be at 5.5 or higher to obtain optimum results.

25-Hydroxy Vitamin D (75 – 250) 27

I am not sure how Canadian levels work - in the US you are trying to get to 50-70 but that wouldn't work in your ranges so I don't know.

Creatinine (50 -98) just a guess 53 42 41

I doubt this is related to iodine. Here are reasons why creatinine changes:

Reduced blood flow to the kidney due to shock, dehydration, congestive heart failure, atherosclerosis, or complications of diabetes

Ferritin don’t know 87

In the use you are trying to get to 50-60 - so I don't know what the ranges are for Canada.

Thanks a Lot,

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

Forgot to answer the Vit D question - yes if you are low in the ranges for your country then you would us a Vit D3 suppelment to increase your levels.

Buist, ND HC

Could some dear soul take a look at my LABS?

Hello:

I don’t have too many and I couldn’t get the Reverse T3, they never heard of it in this part of Canada.

I started Lugol’s 5% in July and by the end of September 2011, I was at 50 mg. Just to give you an idea. You will see things CHANGE once I got on the Iodine. And maybe normals are different in this country so I’ve included them. Also I think the Iodine has affected my kidneys.

Aug. 2011 Nov. 2011 Feb. 2012

TSH 3.35 9.44 11.23

I am not sure if this is a Canadian lab range or not. But this would be considered hypothyroid in the US (range .3 - 3.0)

Free T4 (9 – 23) 13 13 11

You are looking to be midrange. Since this is metric, you would try to get to 16 for optimum levels.

Free T3 (3.5 – 6.5) 4.4 4.3

Most feel best in the upper 1/3 of the range. So your goal would be at 5.5 or higher to obtain optimum results.

25-Hydroxy Vitamin D (75 – 250) 27

I am not sure how Canadian levels work - in the US you are trying to get to 50-70 but that wouldn't work in your ranges so I don't know.

Creatinine (50 -98) just a guess 53 42 41

I doubt this is related to iodine. Here are reasons why creatinine changes:

Reduced blood flow to the kidney due to shock, dehydration, congestive heart failure, atherosclerosis, or complications of diabetes

Ferritin don’t know 87

In the use you are trying to get to 50-60 - so I don't know what the ranges are for Canada.

Thanks a Lot,

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

Sorry Steph, it

was not you that said the TSH will rise upon using Iodine, it was Dr.

Brownstein in his book and so I expected that would happen and it did.

I wondered why

I was still tired.

Thank you for

that LINK. Is it possible to improve thyroid function with nutrients alone?

Thank you,

Bonnie

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Buist, ND HC

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 9:51

PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Could some

dear soul take a look at my LABS?

I

have never said that TSH WILL

rise when you take

iodine. It MAY increase

but in most cases it does not. You have high TSH with lower Free T3

and Free T4 values - that is a hypothyroid combination - not an " iodine

effect " .

My

website has a list of thyroid supporting nutrients http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/ThyroidNutrients.html which

can help in restoring thyroid health.

A

clean diet of whole / real foods and no / low refined carbohydrates and sugars.

For

some it is not possible to restore function naturally and then they must use a

thyroid medication to increase values. This would be ERFA Thyroid for you

since you are in Canada.

Buist, ND HC

Could some dear soul take a look at my LABS?

Hello:

I

don’t have too many and I couldn’t get the Reverse T3, they never

heard of it in this part of Canada.

I

started Lugol’s 5% in July and by the end of September 2011, I was

at 50 mg. Just to give you an idea. You will see things CHANGE once I got

on the Iodine. And maybe normals are different in this country so I’ve

included them. Also I think the Iodine has affected my kidneys.

Aug. 2011

Nov.

2011

Feb. 2012

TSH

3.35

9.44

11.23

I am not sure if this is a Canadian lab range or

not. But this would be considered hypothyroid in the US

(range .3 - 3.0)

Free

T4 (9 –

23)

13

13

11

You are looking to be midrange. Since this is

metric, you would try to get to 16 for optimum levels.

Free

T3 (3.5 –

6.5)

4.4

4.3

Most feel best in the upper 1/3 of the range.

So your goal would be at 5.5 or higher to obtain optimum results.

25-Hydroxy

Vitamin D (75 –

250)

27

I am not sure how Canadian levels work - in the US

you are trying to get to 50-70 but that wouldn't work in your ranges so I don't

know.

Creatinine

(50 -98) just a guess

53

42

41

I doubt this is related to iodine. Here are

reasons why creatinine changes:

Reduced blood flow to the kidney due to shock, dehydration, congestive heart failure, atherosclerosis, or complications of diabetes

Ferritin

don’t

know

87

In the use you are trying to get to 50-60 - so I

don't know what the ranges are for Canada.

Thanks a Lot,

Bonnie

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Ok, looking again I can see that your Free's have stayed the same but your TSH has increased and that would more than likely be iodine. But the fact remains that you would be considered hypothyroid and that has not changed - iodine or not. So you must be missing another component to heal the thyroid (if you can). The liver converts T4 to T3 so that must be healthy along with the other information I posted about supporting nutrients that may be low.

Buist, ND HC

Could some dear soul take a look at my LABS?

Hello:

I don’t have too many and I couldn’t get the Reverse T3, they never heard of it in this part of Canada.

I started Lugol’s 5% in July and by the end of September 2011, I was at 50 mg. Just to give you an idea. You will see things CHANGE once I got on the Iodine. And maybe normals are different in this country so I’ve included them. Also I think the Iodine has affected my kidneys.

Aug. 2011 Nov. 2011 Feb. 2012

TSH 3.35 9.44 11.23

I am not sure if this is a Canadian lab range or not. But this would be considered hypothyroid in the US (range .3 - 3.0)

Free T4 (9 – 23) 13 13 11

You are looking to be midrange. Since this is metric, you would try to get to 16 for optimum levels.

Free T3 (3.5 – 6.5) 4.4 4.3

Most feel best in the upper 1/3 of the range. So your goal would be at 5.5 or higher to obtain optimum results.

25-Hydroxy Vitamin D (75 – 250) 27

I am not sure how Canadian levels work - in the US you are trying to get to 50-70 but that wouldn't work in your ranges so I don't know.

Creatinine (50 -98) just a guess 53 42 41

I doubt this is related to iodine. Here are reasons why creatinine changes:

Reduced blood flow to the kidney due to shock, dehydration, congestive heart failure, atherosclerosis, or complications of diabetes

Ferritin don’t know 87

In the use you are trying to get to 50-60 - so I don't know what the ranges are for Canada.

Thanks a Lot,

Bonnie

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Bonnie,My Endocrinologist would not take a reverse T3 test either, so I broke down and paid to have the test taken myself. My rT3 was off the charts but all my other numbers were “normal” although I was reading in one of my articles that it is the ratio that counts. On Stop the thyroid madness website they have a ratio calculator for your Ft3 to rT3 ratio. I also found some other information on it at www.thyroid-rt3.com/whatare1.htm and http://tiredthyroid.com/rt3.html These both helped me understand why after my doctor raises my meds I start feeling ok in 6 weeks, then 6 weeks later I start crashing again. Problem is there are several causes of rT3, liver, adrenal, enzymes, etc, and the treatment needs to be based on the cause, which isn’t easy to figure out. Lora Price ND248-399-9014Berkley, MI Hello:I don't have too many and I couldn't get the Reverse T3, they never heard ofit in this part of Canada.I started Lugol's 5% in July and by the end of September 2011, I was at 50mg. Just to give you an idea. You will see things CHANGE once I got on theIodine. And maybe normals are different in this country so I've includedthem. Also I think the Iodine has affected my kidneys.Aug. 2011Nov. 2011 Feb. 2012TSH 3.359.44 11.23Free T4 (9 - 23) 1313 11Free T3 (3.5 - 6.5) 4.44.3 25-Hydroxy Vitamin D (75 - 250)27Creatinine (50 -98) just a guess 5342 41Ferritin don't know87Thanks a Lot,Bonnie

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Steph;

Since the subject of rising TSH has been mentioned,I bring this up.This has

happened to my wife, and have found several others it has happened to, as well.

Person has HypoT symptoms,for years, but TSH tests remain 'in range'.

Finally,person takes thyroid hormone,for a period of time, then stops and gets

tested. And TSH is way high out of range; in my wifes case, 15!

So, I have a theory.When first became HypoT, TSH went up.But, after awhile, with

high TSH and no increase in Thyroid hormone, Hypothalmus 'gives up' on

that;after all, why bother to continue to call and call a phone #, when there is

never any answer? So, Hypothalmus resorts to compensating for low Thyroid levels

by increasing Cortisol levels, and allows TSH levels to drop down within range.

By the time symptoms drive patient to the Dr., TSH levels test within range, and

so they are told they aren't HYPO.

In these few anectdotal cases, where patient took Thyroid hormone, and then

stopped; Hypothalmus recognised an INCREASE in thyroid hormone levels, and then

when they dropped (due to patient stopping treatment) the Hypothalmus 're-set'

itself, (or thought, " Hey,its worth a try? " ) and so increased TSH levels,in

order to try to get a responce out of the Thyroid.This may have 'escaped notice'

because its an unusual situation to START Thyroid hormone,and then stop.

Thought I would bring it to your attention, for whatever its worth?

>

> I have never said that TSH WILL rise when you take iodine. It MAY increase

but in most cases it does not. You have high TSH with lower Free T3 and Free

T4 values - that is a hypothyroid combination - not an " iodine effect " .

>

> My website has a list of thyroid supporting nutrients

http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/ThyroidNutrients.html which can help in

restoring thyroid health.

> A clean diet of whole / real foods and no / low refined carbohydrates and

sugars.

>

> For some it is not possible to restore function naturally and then they must

use a thyroid medication to increase values. This would be ERFA Thyroid for you

since you are in Canada.

>

> Buist, ND HC

>

>

> Could some dear soul take a look at my LABS?

>

>

>

>

>

> Hello:

>

> I don't have too many and I couldn't get the Reverse T3, they never heard

of it in this part of Canada.

>

> I started Lugol's 5% in July and by the end of September 2011, I was at

50 mg. Just to give you an idea. You will see things CHANGE once I got on the

Iodine. And maybe normals are different in this country so I've included them.

Also I think the Iodine has affected my kidneys.

>

> Aug. 2011

Nov. 2011 Feb. 2012

>

> TSH 3.35

9.44 11.23

>

> I am not sure if this is a Canadian lab range or not. But this would be

considered hypothyroid in the US (range .3 - 3.0)

>

> Free T4 (9 - 23) 13

13 11

>

> You are looking to be midrange. Since this is metric, you would try to

get to 16 for optimum levels.

>

> Free T3 (3.5 - 6.5) 4.4

4.3

>

> Most feel best in the upper 1/3 of the range. So your goal would be at

5.5 or higher to obtain optimum results.

>

> 25-Hydroxy Vitamin D (75 - 250)

27

>

> I am not sure how Canadian levels work - in the US you are trying to get

to 50-70 but that wouldn't work in your ranges so I don't know.

>

> Creatinine (50 -98) just a guess 53

42 41

>

> I doubt this is related to iodine. Here are reasons why creatinine

changes:

>

> Reduced blood flow to the kidney due to shock, dehydration, congestive

heart failure, atherosclerosis, or complications of diabetes

>

> Ferritin don't know

87

>

> In the use you are trying to get to 50-60 - so I don't know what the

ranges are for Canada.

>

>

>

> Thanks a Lot,

>

> Bonnie

>

[Guest guest]

It seems like a reasonable hypothesis.

Buist, ND HC

Could some dear soul take a look at my LABS?> > > > > > Hello:> > I don't have too many and I couldn't get the Reverse T3, they never heard of it in this part of Canada.> > I started Lugol's 5% in July and by the end of September 2011, I was at 50 mg. Just to give you an idea. You will see things CHANGE once I got on the Iodine. And maybe normals are different in this country so I've included them. Also I think the Iodine has affected my kidneys.> > Aug. 2011 Nov. 2011 Feb. 2012> > TSH 3.35 9.44 11.23> > I am not sure if this is a Canadian lab range or not. But this would be considered hypothyroid in the US (range .3 - 3.0)> > Free T4 (9 - 23) 13 13 11> > You are looking to be midrange. Since this is metric, you would try to get to 16 for optimum levels.> > Free T3 (3.5 - 6.5) 4.4 4.3 > > Most feel best in the upper 1/3 of the range. So your goal would be at 5.5 or higher to obtain optimum results. > > 25-Hydroxy Vitamin D (75 - 250) 27> > I am not sure how Canadian levels work - in the US you are trying to get to 50-70 but that wouldn't work in your ranges so I don't know.> > Creatinine (50 -98) just a guess 53 42 41> > I doubt this is related to iodine. Here are reasons why creatinine changes:> > Reduced blood flow to the kidney due to shock, dehydration, congestive heart failure, atherosclerosis, or complications of diabetes> > Ferritin don't know 87> > In the use you are trying to get to 50-60 - so I don't know what the ranges are for Canada.> > > > Thanks a Lot,> > Bonnie>

[Guest guest]

Also a really great site that helped me was http://nahypothyroidism.org/thyroid-hormone-transport/ Also for ; both Directlabs and HealthCheckUSA use Labcorp to collect specimens. Lora Price248-399-9014Berkley, MI Bonnie,My Endocrinologist would not take a reverse T3 test either, so I broke downand paid to have the test taken myself. My rT3 was off the charts but all myother numbers were " normal " although I was reading in one of my articlesthat it is the ratio that counts. On Stop the thyroid madness website theyhave a ratio calculator for your Ft3 to rT3 ratio. I also found some otherinformation on it at www.thyroid-rt3.com/whatare1.htm andhttp://tiredthyroid.com/rt3.html These both helped me understand why aftermy doctor raises my meds I start feeling ok in 6 weeks, then 6 weeks later Istart crashing again. Problem is there are several causes of rT3, liver,adrenal, enzymes, etc, and the treatment needs to be based on the cause,which isn't easy to figure out. Lora Price ND248-399-9014Berkley, MIHello:I don't have too many and I couldn't get the Reverse T3, they never heard ofit in this part of Canada.I started Lugol's 5% in July and by the end of September 2011, I was at 50mg. Just to give you an idea. You will see things CHANGE once I got on theIodine. And maybe normals are different in this country so I've includedthem. Also I think the Iodine has affected my kidneys.Aug. 2011Nov. 2011 Feb. 2012TSH 3.359.44 11.23Free T4 (9 - 23) 1313 11Free T3 (3.5 - 6.5) 4.44.3 25-Hydroxy Vitamin D (75 - 250)27Creatinine (50 -98) just a guess 5342 41Ferritin don't know87Thanks a Lot,Bonnie

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As I see a recent post,admonishing to stick to Iodine related topics, (Don't

KNOW if it was aimed at me); seems to me there are some direct relevencies to

Iodine. For instance, if a persons underlieing cause of being Hypo was lack of

dietary intake of Iodine, combined with high intake of Goiterogens, and exposure

to Bromide, etc. So, once they correct the underlieing problems, is there

Hypothalmus NOW going to 'recognise' that their Thyroid is once again

functional, IF IT GETS A SIGNAL TO PRODUCE, i.e increase in TSH? Also, if the

phenonenom I've described can be documented, it might be an alternative way to

'educate' the medical profession on WHY TSH shouldn't be used as the primary

test to rulke out Hypothyroidism.Jim

> >

> > I have never said that TSH WILL rise when you take iodine. It MAY increase

but in most cases it does not. You have high TSH with lower Free T3 and Free T4

values - that is a hypothyroid combination - not an " iodine effect " .

> >

> > My website has a list of thyroid supporting nutrients

http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/ThyroidNutrients.html which can help in

restoring thyroid health.

> > A clean diet of whole / real foods and no / low refined carbohydrates and

sugars.

> >

> > For some it is not possible to restore function naturally and then they

must use a thyroid medication to increase values. This would be ERFA Thyroid for

you since you are in Canada.

> >

> > Buist, ND HC

> >

> >

> > Could some dear soul take a look at my LABS?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello:

> >

> > I don't have too many and I couldn't get the Reverse T3, they never heard

of it in this part of Canada.

> >

> > I started Lugol's 5% in July and by the end of September 2011, I was at 50

mg. Just to give you an idea. You will see things CHANGE once I got on the

Iodine. And maybe normals are different in this country so I've included them.

Also I think the Iodine has affected my kidneys.

> >

> > Aug. 2011 Nov. 2011 Feb. 2012

> >

> > TSH 3.35 9.44 11.23

> >

> > I am not sure if this is a Canadian lab range or not. But this would be

considered hypothyroid in the US (range .3 - 3.0)

> >

> > Free T4 (9 - 23) 13 13 11

> >

> > You are looking to be midrange. Since this is metric, you would try to get

to 16 for optimum levels.

> >

> > Free T3 (3.5 - 6.5) 4.4 4.3

> >

> > Most feel best in the upper 1/3 of the range. So your goal would be at 5.5

or higher to obtain optimum results.

> >

> > 25-Hydroxy Vitamin D (75 - 250) 27

> >

> > I am not sure how Canadian levels work - in the US you are trying to get

to 50-70 but that wouldn't work in your ranges so I don't know.

> >

> > Creatinine (50 -98) just a guess 53 42 41

> >

> > I doubt this is related to iodine. Here are reasons why creatinine

changes:

> >

> > Reduced blood flow to the kidney due to shock, dehydration, congestive

heart failure, atherosclerosis, or complications of diabetes

> >

> > Ferritin don't know 87

> >

> > In the use you are trying to get to 50-60 - so I don't know what the

ranges are for Canada.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks a Lot,

> >

> > Bonnie

> >

>