Re: Actually had tests agreed to!

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WHEW! Certainly given you value for money Sue. I have removed

those that are OK and just left the ones with a question mark hanging over them

with my comments alongside.

fT4 12.1 (11.0-23.0) - this is too low for

anybody on thyroid hormone replacement. Free T4 should be in the upper third of

the range.

serum ALT level 62 (0-45) - this is high - see http://www.labtestsonline.org.uk/understanding/analytes/alt/tab/test

serum total biliruben level 6 (0-21) - this is

low, goes along with raised ALT level, check http://labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/bilirubin/tab/test

B12 250 (190-900) Your B12 is very low, almost

at the bottom of the range. It should be near to the top of the range. You need

some B12 either sublingual nuggets or a course of B12 injections. Speak with your

GP about this

serum folate 7.8 (2.0-19.0) - low - you can

increase your folate level with 5mgs folic acid, available from health food

shop.

Luv - Sheila

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hi sheila

> 5mgs folic acid, available from health food shop.

i have a feeling that getting 5mgs of folic acid requires a prescription

....usually the supplements sold in health food shops etc are measured in

micro-grams.

apparently quite a number of people have difficulty converting synthetic and

inactive folic acid to the active form (folinic acid)and i think i remember

reading that this was the rationale for limiting the availability of high dosage

folic acid supplements i.e. because they became toxic in those people who had

trouble converting.

http://www.integratedhealth.com/hpdspec/folinic.html

trish

> serum folate 7.8 (2.0-19.0) - low - you can increase your folate level with

> 5mgs folic acid, available from health food shop.

>

> Luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

>

> WHEW! Certainly given you value for money Sue. I have removed those that are

> OK and just left the ones with a question mark hanging over them with my

> comments alongside.

> fT4 12.1 (11.0-23.0) - this is too low for anybody on thyroid hormone

> replacement. Free T4 should be in the upper third of the range.

> serum ALT level 62 (0-45) - this is high - see

> http://www.labtestsonline.org.uk/understanding/analytes/alt/tab/test

> serum total biliruben level 6 (0-21) - this is low, goes along with raised

> ALT level, check

> http://labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/bilirubin/tab/test

> B12 250 (190-900) Your B12 is very low, almost at the bottom of the range.

> It should be near to the top of the range. You need some B12 either

> sublingual nuggets or a course of B12 injections. Speak with your GP about

> this

> serum folate 7.8 (2.0-19.0) - low - you can increase your folate level with

> 5mgs folic acid, available from health food shop.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

>

>Thankyou Sheila, I failed yet again to convince them to do a ferretin test, I

am a bit concerned about my liver now though! I would also like to point out my

RBCs as being low along with a high MCH, I have tried to google this and

understand it but it's like gobbledegook to me sorry. How come the GP didn't

think the results indicated anything? I am seeing my Endo tomorrow, do I tell

him I am adding my own 12.5 mcg T3 to his 50mcg of Levo or just carry on as I

am? luv Sue X

[Guest guest]

If they are refusing a ferritin test, copy out the above

references to show the need for ferritin to be done and if low, it's

association with low thyroid function. Ask for these references to be placed

into your medical notes.

I would tell your endo that you have added T3 - but be assertive

about it and tell him how much better you have felt since you started this, but

that you are not quite there just yet. Tell him also about your doctor refusing

to check your ferritin level and about your other results that you are

naturally unhappy about.

Read about low RBC and elevated MCH here http://www.surgeryencyclopedia.com/Ce-Fi/Complete-Blood-Count.html

Basically low RBC often means anaemia, and MCV becomes elevated with B12 and

Folate deficiency.

Luv - Sheila

Thankyou Sheila, I failed yet again to convince them to do a ferretin test, I

am a bit concerned about my liver now though! I would also like to point out my

RBCs as being low along with a high MCH, I have tried to google this and

understand it but it's like gobbledegook to me sorry. How come the GP didn't

think the results indicated anything? I am seeing my Endo tomorrow, do I tell

him I am adding my own 12.5 mcg T3 to his 50mcg of Levo or just carry on as I

am? luv Sue X

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[Guest guest]

>

> If they are refusing a ferritin test, copy out the above references to show

> the need for ferritin to be done and if low, it's association with low

> thyroid function. Ask for these references to be placed into your medi

>

Thankyou so much Sheila, I have printed that all off and will show him tomorrow,

lets just hope he listens to me, he might because he recieved that stinking

letter from me about my last visit, when I was told to stop reading the internet

and start reading mills & boon also that all my remaining symptoms are all in my

head! So he may or may not be a bit more amiable, fingers crossed. Luv Sue X

[Guest guest]

Thank you Trish. I believe I got this from Bob - but perhaps he

got his folic acid via prescription. Thanks for putting me right about this.

Luv - Sheila

> 5mgs folic acid, available from health food shop.

i have a feeling that getting 5mgs of folic acid requires a prescription

....usually the supplements sold in health food shops etc are measured in

micro-grams.

apparently quite a number of people have difficulty converting synthetic and

inactive folic acid to the active form (folinic acid)and i think i remember

reading that this was the rationale for limiting the availability of high

dosage folic acid supplements i.e. because they became toxic in those people

who had trouble converting.

http://www.integratedhealth.com/hpdspec/folinic.html

trish

[Guest guest]

Yes, you are correct Tracey, 5 mgs tablets need to be prescribed.

I did ask Bob what dose he was prescribed and he sent me the following

response:

Dear Sheila,

It looks like the Folic acid requirement has been generally

under-estimated and there are moves to get food fortification going.

I take a precribed 5mg Folic acid that makes testing

mandatory, since it can hide pernicious anemia, unless both B12 and folate are

supplemented.

My own last report said antibodies to 'intrinsic factor' can

give artificially high Vit B12 results ( implies many people get fake

results ) ~ at the last discussion my doc said, ah we've been treating you for

low Vit B12 ( a brazen & ignorant lie).....I insisted (4yrs back) that

something was wrong when my first blood results said 'all in range' and that

folate ought to be used (right).....but I also used 1000mcg of Vit B12 on an

'occasional' dose regime.

I have to admit that they do get things wrong fairly

regularly.

It is said that 400mcg is 'enough' for most people and

perhaps 800mcg for pregnant or could become pregnant age range for women.

If using any form of anti-epileptic ( and maybe lots of

other drugs) then folate is severely(?) depleted.

best wishes

Bob

hi sheila

> 5mgs folic acid, available from health food shop.

i have a feeling that getting 5mgs of folic acid requires a prescription

....usually the supplements sold in health food shops etc are measured in

micro-grams.

apparently quite a number of people have difficulty converting synthetic and

inactive folic acid to the active form (folinic acid)and i think i remember

reading that this was the rationale for limiting the availability of high

dosage folic acid supplements i.e. because they became toxic in those people

who had trouble converting.

http://www.integratedhealth.com/hpdspec/folinic.html

trish

> serum folate 7.8 (2.0-19.0) - low - you can increase your folate level

with

> 5mgs folic acid, available from health food shop.

>

> Luv - Sheila

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[Guest guest]

>

> Yes, you are correct Tracey, 5 mgs tablets need to be prescribed. I did ask

> Bob what dose he was prescribed and he sent me the following response:

>

> Dear Sheila,

>

> It looks like the Folic acid requirement has been generally under-estimated

> and there are moves to get food fortification going.

>

> I take a precribed 5mg Folic acid that makes testing mandatory, since it can

> hide pernicious anemia, unless both B12 and folate are supplemented.

>

> My own last report said antibodies to 'intrinsic factor' can give

> artificially high Vit B12 results ( implies many people get fake results )

>

Hi Sheila and all, He didn't give me a lecture on the dangers of T3, he said

that it was good that it is helping with my symptoms, asked if I had enough for

now and said that he would have to discuss it with Dr B before he could

prescribe it, he also said the liver result is indicative of NAFL (none

alchoholic fatty liver) and that I should be able to improve it by diet and

excercise ( I will also try a liver cleans, any suggestions?) X