Probiotics

[Guest guest]

I sometimes recommend Solaray

Multidophilus-12 because it has Lactobacillus, Streptococcus, and

Bifidobacterium

Amy

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Dietitian

Northridge Hospital Medical Center &

Center for

Weight Loss Surgery

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Probiotics

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From: es <monicamartinesrd>

Subject: [bariatricNutrition Dietitians] Probiotics

" BariatricNutrition Dietitians " <BariatricNutritionD

ietitians>

Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 3:37 PM

Is anyone recommending probiotics to help in the

treatment of bacterial overgrowth in RNY pts? If so, what

brand and how much. Is anyone using the brand Culturelle in their

acute care setting? We use Lactinex however if really falls short

in 'live cells' compared to Culturelle.

Thank you,

es RD

Mills

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Food Services

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Burlingame, CA 94010

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650.985.3014 (pager)

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[Guest guest]

Yes and prebiotics also.

Marilyn

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Lydia <lsweed@...> wrote:

> Hi, I like my kefir nice and mild. (not bubbly) 2 cups takes about 12 hrs.

> Am i still getting the probiotics if I drink it this way? Thanks, Lydia

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello, I have water kefir grains and I'm producing 1 liter of coconut water

kefir every 2 days. The taste is soury but its good to my stomach. Coconut is

abundant here in the Philippines. I would like to ask if its is safe to eat the

kefir grains? I would like to ask also if water kefir has an allergic reactions

to the body?

�

Thank you very much for your quick reply.

Juz

Philippines

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Yes, eat your extras. That's even better. Also try a one day brew; it will taste

much better.

Marilyn

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

I havn't done any studies on this, but I can say what happens to me.

It seems my CFS is driven bye a poor immune system. Indoors I don't breath as

well. But with an air cleaner going I did better.

I'm been taking garden of lifes primal defence ultra and it says what it is

better than I can

Probiotics are living microflora that play a critical role in maintaining good

health. Present in many foods, live probiotic cultures populate the intestinal

tract where they play a positive role in digestive and immune health.

Probiotics maximize the benefits of a healthy diet by supporting normal

absorption and assimilation of nutrients in the gut.

Certain probiotic blends help support normal gastrointestinal balance of good

and potentially harmful bacteria, and promote regular bowel function.

Primal Defense ULTRA is the ultimate high potency, broad-spectrum probiotic

formula. Three capsules per day provide a 15 billion live cell count of 13

species of beneficial cultures including soil-based probiotics called

Homeostatic Soil Organisms (HSOs).

Funny how it makes me sleep sounder, but in the morning I guess with the slower

heart beat, I am stronger but also more sore. I'm thinking in a while longer the

soreness will go and I'll just feel stronger.

Ron

>

> Hi All

>

> When I was just starting to learn about CFS and Riches approach someone told

me Probiltics along with Rich's Protocol got them 90 better. That impressive so

I have a few question

>

> How might probiotics relatee to CFS?

>

> How many of you use them ?

>

> and

>

> What do you use and recomend?

>

> Thanks

>

> Steve

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ron

Thanks for responding

Are you on The simplified protocol as well ?

Do the probiotics help with PEM post exertional Malaise or stamina?

Steve

On Feb 9, 2010, at 8:30 AM, ron_irv_ca wrote:

> Hi Steve,

>

> I havn't done any studies on this, but I can say what happens to me.

>

> It seems my CFS is driven bye a poor immune system. Indoors I don't

> breath as well. But with an air cleaner going I did better.

>

> I'm been taking garden of lifes primal defence ultra and it says

> what it is better than I can

>

> Probiotics are living microflora that play a critical role in

> maintaining good health. Present in many foods, live probiotic

> cultures populate the intestinal tract where they play a positive

> role in digestive and immune health.

>

> Probiotics maximize the benefits of a healthy diet by supporting

> normal absorption and assimilation of nutrients in the gut.

>

> Certain probiotic blends help support normal gastrointestinal

> balance of good and potentially harmful bacteria, and promote

> regular bowel function.

>

> Primal Defense ULTRA is the ultimate high potency, broad-spectrum

> probiotic formula. Three capsules per day provide a 15 billion live

> cell count of 13 species of beneficial cultures including soil-based

> probiotics called Homeostatic Soil Organisms (HSOs).

>

> Funny how it makes me sleep sounder, but in the morning I guess with

> the slower heart beat, I am stronger but also more sore. I'm

> thinking in a while longer the soreness will go and I'll just feel

> stronger.

> Ron

>

>

> >

> > Hi All

> >

> > When I was just starting to learn about CFS and Riches approach

> someone told me Probiltics along with Rich's Protocol got them 90

> better. That impressive so I have a few question

> >

> > How might probiotics relatee to CFS?

> >

> > How many of you use them ?

> >

> > and

> >

> > What do you use and recomend?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Steve

> >

>

>

>

" Success in any endeavor does not happen by accident.

Rather, it's the result of deliberate decisions, conscious effort, and

immense persistence... all directed at specific goals. "

-- Blair

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

I don't know anything about your protocol

but I use " Probiotic Pearls " that were Made to " withstand " the

digestive acids of the stomach and then be of use in the Intestines

where we need them. As previously stated they are made to help

replace the GOOD bacteria and flora there that help us digest our

food. They also help keep Candida in check for people that

have been on too many antibiotics and need the Good Flora

restored to their intestines.

Many of us have intestinal absorption problems and don't

absorb the nutrients out of the food we digest and some

call this " leaky gut " ...whatever the name we treat this with

these things to help our absorption and help put our gut

back into proper functioning.

That is also another reason many of us take a B12-Folic Acid, B6

combo either in IM shot form or I prefer the sub-linguals that

work just as well for me... They also help us absorb the nutrients

from the food we eat... If we don't absorb the nutrients that's

like not giving the car any gas.. you won't have any energy.

I don't know where you live, but I just take the Trader Joe version

and usually about 5 -> 2 or 3 times a day....

When eating Proteins is is also Helpful to take some

" Digestive Enzymes " ..usually like bromelain, papaya, etc.

I just follow the directions on the bottle.

Post Exertion Malaise is an entirely different issue and

has to do with the " delayed exhaustion " any time you

overDO.. not the stuff you get later that day or the next day...

but usually for the whole next 3-7 or more days...

Depends how bad your case is.. when Bad ~ a one day outing

can set some back 4-6 weeks..

Hope that helped some...

[Guest guest]

Steve,

I've taken various brands of probiotics. You may want to look for the

book " The Probiotics Revolution " by Huffnagle, for lists of which

brands to look for (not all probiotics sold in health food stores or

online are created equal).

At the moment, however, I'm just making my own milk kefir and trying

to consume about 3-4 ounces of that each day. It's a lot cheaper than

buying the probiotics in capsules, and it's not hard to make at home.

Marcia on

in Salem, Massachusetts

On Feb 8, 2010, at 6:24 PM, stevemaestro1 wrote:

> Hi All

>

> When I was just starting to learn about CFS and Riches approach

> someone told me Probiltics along with Rich's Protocol got them 90

> better. That impressive so I have a few question

>

> How might probiotics relatee to CFS?

>

> How many of you use them ?

>

> and

>

> What do you use and recomend?

>

> Thanks

>

> Steve

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks

the protocol I have been on is The simplified protocol consisting of

b-12 IM or otherwise and folates

One of the biggest challenges of CFS aside from not having enough

energy to do what we want is

Post Exertional Malaise I have found some things that assuage it but I

still have a struggle I thought maybe probiotics may help

I use a lot of kombucha which is a probiotic as well as eat kim chee

from time to time but I'm thinking maybe I need more

So those pearls you mentioned sound like a good idea

I just recently started using liquid chlorophyl to see if it would

enhance my stamina and it is helping a little

Thanks

Steve

On Feb 9, 2010, at 5:49 PM, bodieangels wrote:

> Hi Steve,

>

> I don't know anything about your protocol

> but I use " Probiotic Pearls " that were Made to " withstand " the

> digestive acids of the stomach and then be of use in the Intestines

> where we need them. As previously stated they are made to help

> replace the GOOD bacteria and flora there that help us digest our

> food. They also help keep Candida in check for people that

> have been on too many antibiotics and need the Good Flora

> restored to their intestines.

>

> Many of us have intestinal absorption problems and don't

> absorb the nutrients out of the food we digest and some

> call this " leaky gut " ...whatever the name we treat this with

> these things to help our absorption and help put our gut

> back into proper functioning.

>

> That is also another reason many of us take a B12-Folic Acid, B6

> combo either in IM shot form or I prefer the sub-linguals that

> work just as well for me... They also help us absorb the nutrients

> from the food we eat... If we don't absorb the nutrients that's

> like not giving the car any gas.. you won't have any energy.

> I don't know where you live, but I just take the Trader Joe version

> and usually about 5 -> 2 or 3 times a day....

>

> When eating Proteins is is also Helpful to take some

> " Digestive Enzymes " ..usually like bromelain, papaya, etc.

> I just follow the directions on the bottle.

>

> Post Exertion Malaise is an entirely different issue and

> has to do with the " delayed exhaustion " any time you

> overDO.. not the stuff you get later that day or the next day...

> but usually for the whole next 3-7 or more days...

> Depends how bad your case is.. when Bad ~ a one day outing

> can set some back 4-6 weeks..

>

> Hope that helped some...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Marcia

That is a question I have

If the stomach acid kills a lot of the active constituents of stuff

like kefir and kombucha

How do we know we a benefiting ?

How do you feel on kefit as compared to OTC Probiotics

I have been making my own Kombucha for three years and drink about a

gallon a week

Steve

On Feb 9, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Marcia on wrote:

> Steve,

>

> I've taken various brands of probiotics. You may want to look for the

> book " The Probiotics Revolution " by Huffnagle, for lists of which

> brands to look for (not all probiotics sold in health food stores or

> online are created equal).

>

> At the moment, however, I'm just making my own milk kefir and trying

> to consume about 3-4 ounces of that each day. It's a lot cheaper than

> buying the probiotics in capsules, and it's not hard to make at home.

>

> Marcia on

> in Salem, Massachusetts

>

> On Feb 8, 2010, at 6:24 PM, stevemaestro1 wrote:

>

> > Hi All

> >

> > When I was just starting to learn about CFS and Riches approach

> > someone told me Probiltics along with Rich's Protocol got them 90

> > better. That impressive so I have a few question

> >

> > How might probiotics relatee to CFS?

> >

> > How many of you use them ?

> >

> > and

> >

> > What do you use and recomend?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Steve

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Because I use a lot of TCM my practitioner recommended Dr. Ohhira's, Essential

Formulas 12 Plus which has a 5 year fermentation process.

According to it's description:

Twelve strains of lactic acid bacteria, including super potent TH10, are used in

the fermentation of vegetables, fruits, seaweeds and mushrooms. Our biogenic

matrix (the rich culture medium pre-biotic and natural organic acids) improves

the gut environment and is what distinguishes this product from mere probiotics.

Dr. Ohhira's Probiotics 12 Plus Professional Formula differs from the Original

Formula in that after 3 years of fermentation, it receives two additional years

of maturing.

--

Portland, OR

On Feb 9, 2010, at 8:19 PM, S B wrote:

> Thanks Marcia

>

> That is a question I have

> If the stomach acid kills a lot of the active constituents of stuff

> like kefir and kombucha

>

> How do we know we a benefiting ?

> How do you feel on kefit as compared to OTC Probiotics

>

> I have been making my own Kombucha for three years and drink about a

> gallon a week

>

> Steve

>

> On Feb 9, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Marcia on wrote:

>

>> Steve,

>>

>> I've taken various brands of probiotics. You may want to look for the

>> book " The Probiotics Revolution " by Huffnagle, for lists of which

>> brands to look for (not all probiotics sold in health food stores or

>> online are created equal).

>>

>> At the moment, however, I'm just making my own milk kefir and trying

>> to consume about 3-4 ounces of that each day. It's a lot cheaper than

>> buying the probiotics in capsules, and it's not hard to make at home.

>>

>> Marcia on

>> in Salem, Massachusetts

>>

>> On Feb 8, 2010, at 6:24 PM, stevemaestro1 wrote:

>>

>>> Hi All

>>>

>>> When I was just starting to learn about CFS and Riches approach

>>> someone told me Probiltics along with Rich's Protocol got them 90

>>> better. That impressive so I have a few question

>>>

>>> How might probiotics relatee to CFS?

>>>

>>> How many of you use them ?

>>>

>>> and

>>>

>>> What do you use and recomend?

>>>

>>> Thanks

>>>

>>> Steve

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi

How do you feel when you use it ?

Steve

On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Tink wrote:

> Because I use a lot of TCM my practitioner recommended Dr. Ohhira's,

> Essential Formulas 12 Plus which has a 5 year fermentation process.

> According to it's description:

> Twelve strains of lactic acid bacteria, including super potent TH10,

> are used in the fermentation of vegetables, fruits, seaweeds and

> mushrooms. Our biogenic matrix (the rich culture medium pre-biotic

> and natural organic acids) improves the gut environment and is what

> distinguishes this product from mere probiotics. Dr. Ohhira's

> Probiotics 12 Plus Professional Formula differs from the Original

> Formula in that after 3 years of fermentation, it receives two

> additional years of maturing.

> --

>

> Portland, OR

>

> On Feb 9, 2010, at 8:19 PM, S B wrote:

>

> > Thanks Marcia

> >

> > That is a question I have

> > If the stomach acid kills a lot of the active constituents of stuff

> > like kefir and kombucha

> >

> > How do we know we a benefiting ?

> > How do you feel on kefit as compared to OTC Probiotics

> >

> > I have been making my own Kombucha for three years and drink about a

> > gallon a week

> >

> > Steve

> >

> > On Feb 9, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Marcia on wrote:

> >

> >> Steve,

> >>

> >> I've taken various brands of probiotics. You may want to look for

> the

> >> book " The Probiotics Revolution " by Huffnagle, for lists of

> which

> >> brands to look for (not all probiotics sold in health food stores

> or

> >> online are created equal).

> >>

> >> At the moment, however, I'm just making my own milk kefir and

> trying

> >> to consume about 3-4 ounces of that each day. It's a lot cheaper

> than

> >> buying the probiotics in capsules, and it's not hard to make at

> home.

> >>

> >> Marcia on

> >> in Salem, Massachusetts

> >>

> >> On Feb 8, 2010, at 6:24 PM, stevemaestro1 wrote:

> >>

> >>> Hi All

> >>>

> >>> When I was just starting to learn about CFS and Riches approach

> >>> someone told me Probiltics along with Rich's Protocol got them 90

> >>> better. That impressive so I have a few question

> >>>

> >>> How might probiotics relatee to CFS?

> >>>

> >>> How many of you use them ?

> >>>

> >>> and

> >>>

> >>> What do you use and recomend?

> >>>

> >>> Thanks

> >>>

> >>> Steve

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Steve,

To be honest I haven't felt much different that when I use my other (and much

cheaper I might add) probiotics. I know according to the research that this one

should be more beneficial to me than a cheaper brand but I feel the same.

And in the light of your question: 'How do we feel we're benefiting' I was

asking myself the same question. I have finished this first package which was

for a month hoping for some magic but I truly can't pinpoint it down and was

wondering if I would go to the trouble of ordering a new one.

Maybe I'll just go back to my old brand and save me some much needed dollars. I

make my own yogurt, I started doing that when I arrived in the US from Europe

and could only find the fat-free processed yogurts instead of the nutritious

whole milk with pro-biotics I was used to. Now a couple of years later even

Whole Foods is selling whole yogurt and we have a farmer that makes and sells

yogurt directly from the farm.

I tried Kefir also, my yogurt machine does that -) and I love it too but prefer

the yogurt for my breakfast with fruit and weetabix ;-)

I started taking extra pro-biotics next to the yogurt because I take morphine

sulfate and pro-biotics helps me not getting constipated from the morphine.

Other than that I never felt any improvement in my health from taking

pro-biotics.

--

Portland, OR

On Feb 10, 2010, at 6:08 PM, S B wrote:

> Hi

>

> How do you feel when you use it ?

>

> Steve

> On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Tink wrote:

>

>> Because I use a lot of TCM my practitioner recommended Dr. Ohhira's,

>> Essential Formulas 12 Plus which has a 5 year fermentation process.

>> According to it's description:

>> Twelve strains of lactic acid bacteria, including super potent TH10,

>> are used in the fermentation of vegetables, fruits, seaweeds and

>> mushrooms. Our biogenic matrix (the rich culture medium pre-biotic

>> and natural organic acids) improves the gut environment and is what

>> distinguishes this product from mere probiotics. Dr. Ohhira's

>> Probiotics 12 Plus Professional Formula differs from the Original

>> Formula in that after 3 years of fermentation, it receives two

>> additional years of maturing.

>> --

>>

>> Portland, OR

>>

>> On Feb 9, 2010, at 8:19 PM, S B wrote:

>>

>>> Thanks Marcia

>>>

>>> That is a question I have

>>> If the stomach acid kills a lot of the active constituents of stuff

>>> like kefir and kombucha

>>>

>>> How do we know we a benefiting ?

>>> How do you feel on kefit as compared to OTC Probiotics

>>>

>>> I have been making my own Kombucha for three years and drink about a

>>> gallon a week

>>>

>>> Steve

>>>

>>> On Feb 9, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Marcia on wrote:

>>

[Guest guest]

OK thanks

Can you tell me me the name of the cheaper brand

I use Kombucha and I love it and make my own

Steve

On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Tink wrote:

> Steve,

>

> To be honest I haven't felt much different that when I use my other

> (and much cheaper I might add) probiotics. I know according to the

> research that this one should be more beneficial to me than a

> cheaper brand but I feel the same.

>

> And in the light of your question: 'How do we feel we're benefiting'

> I was asking myself the same question. I have finished this first

> package which was for a month hoping for some magic but I truly

> can't pinpoint it down and was wondering if I would go to the

> trouble of ordering a new one.

>

> Maybe I'll just go back to my old brand and save me some much needed

> dollars. I make my own yogurt, I started doing that when I arrived

> in the US from Europe and could only find the fat-free processed

> yogurts instead of the nutritious whole milk with pro-biotics I was

> used to. Now a couple of years later even Whole Foods is selling

> whole yogurt and we have a farmer that makes and sells yogurt

> directly from the farm.

>

> I tried Kefir also, my yogurt machine does that -) and I love it too

> but prefer the yogurt for my breakfast with fruit and weetabix ;-)

>

> I started taking extra pro-biotics next to the yogurt because I take

> morphine sulfate and pro-biotics helps me not getting constipated

> from the morphine.

> Other than that I never felt any improvement in my health from

> taking pro-biotics.

>

> --

>

> Portland, OR

>

> On Feb 10, 2010, at 6:08 PM, S B wrote:

>

> > Hi

> >

> > How do you feel when you use it ?

> >

> > Steve

> > On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Tink wrote:

> >

> >> Because I use a lot of TCM my practitioner recommended Dr.

> Ohhira's,

> >> Essential Formulas 12 Plus which has a 5 year fermentation process.

> >> According to it's description:

> >> Twelve strains of lactic acid bacteria, including super potent

> TH10,

> >> are used in the fermentation of vegetables, fruits, seaweeds and

> >> mushrooms. Our biogenic matrix (the rich culture medium pre-biotic

> >> and natural organic acids) improves the gut environment and is what

> >> distinguishes this product from mere probiotics. Dr. Ohhira's

> >> Probiotics 12 Plus Professional Formula differs from the Original

> >> Formula in that after 3 years of fermentation, it receives two

> >> additional years of maturing.

> >> --

> >>

> >> Portland, OR

> >>

> >> On Feb 9, 2010, at 8:19 PM, S B wrote:

> >>

> >>> Thanks Marcia

> >>>

> >>> That is a question I have

> >>> If the stomach acid kills a lot of the active constituents of

> stuff

> >>> like kefir and kombucha

> >>>

> >>> How do we know we a benefiting ?

> >>> How do you feel on kefit as compared to OTC Probiotics

> >>>

> >>> I have been making my own Kombucha for three years and drink

> about a

> >>> gallon a week

> >>>

> >>> Steve

> >>>

> >>> On Feb 9, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Marcia on wrote:

> >>

>

>

>

" Wisdom is the prime thing... and with all that you acquire, acquire

understanding "

[Guest guest]

Steve,

The brand I used last and just ordered again is Healthy Origins, Probiotic, 30

Billion CFU's, 60 Vcaps.

Nothing fancy, no refrigeration needed. I use most Healthy Origins stuff

especially their Ubiquinol.

Am going to look into Kombucha now might have some questions for you later if

you don't mind.

--

Portland, OR

On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:11 PM, S B wrote:

> OK thanks

>

> Can you tell me me the name of the cheaper brand

> I use Kombucha and I love it and make my own

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

>

> On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Tink wrote:

>

>> Steve,

>>

>> To be honest I haven't felt much different that when I use my other

>> (and much cheaper I might add) probiotics. I know according to the

>> research that this one should be more beneficial to me than a

>> cheaper brand but I feel the same.

>>

>> And in the light of your question: 'How do we feel we're benefiting'

>> I was asking myself the same question. I have finished this first

>> package which was for a month hoping for some magic but I truly

>> can't pinpoint it down and was wondering if I would go to the

>> trouble of ordering a new one.

>>

>> Maybe I'll just go back to my old brand and save me some much needed

>> dollars. I make my own yogurt, I started doing that when I arrived

>> in the US from Europe and could only find the fat-free processed

>> yogurts instead of the nutritious whole milk with pro-biotics I was

>> used to. Now a couple of years later even Whole Foods is selling

>> whole yogurt and we have a farmer that makes and sells yogurt

>> directly from the farm.

>>

>> I tried Kefir also, my yogurt machine does that -) and I love it too

>> but prefer the yogurt for my breakfast with fruit and weetabix ;-)

>>

>> I started taking extra pro-biotics next to the yogurt because I take

>> morphine sulfate and pro-biotics helps me not getting constipated

>> from the morphine.

>> Other than that I never felt any improvement in my health from

>> taking pro-biotics.

>>

>> --

>>

>> Portland, OR

>>

>> On Feb 10, 2010, at 6:08 PM, S B wrote:

>>

>>> Hi

>>>

>>> How do you feel when you use it ?

>>>

>>> Steve

>>> On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Tink wrote:

>>>

>>>> Because I use a lot of TCM my practitioner recommended Dr.

>> Ohhira's,

>>>> Essential Formulas 12 Plus which has a 5 year fermentation process.

>>>> According to it's description:

>>>> Twelve strains of lactic acid bacteria, including super potent

>> TH10,

>>>> are used in the fermentation of vegetables, fruits, seaweeds and

>>>> mushrooms. Our biogenic matrix (the rich culture medium pre-biotic

>>>> and natural organic acids) improves the gut environment and is what

>>>> distinguishes this product from mere probiotics. Dr. Ohhira's

>>>> Probiotics 12 Plus Professional Formula differs from the Original

>>>> Formula in that after 3 years of fermentation, it receives two

>>>> additional years of maturing.

>>>> --

>>>>

>>>> Portland, OR

>>>>

>>>> On Feb 9, 2010, at 8:19 PM, S B wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Thanks Marcia

>>>>>

>>>>> That is a question I have

>>>>> If the stomach acid kills a lot of the active constituents of

>> stuff

>>>>> like kefir and kombucha

>>>>>

>>>>> How do we know we a benefiting ?

>>>>> How do you feel on kefit as compared to OTC Probiotics

>>>>>

>>>>> I have been making my own Kombucha for three years and drink

>> about a

>>>>> gallon a week

>>>>>

>>>>> Steve

>>>>>

>>>>> On Feb 9, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Marcia on wrote:

>>>>

>>

>>

>>

>

> " Wisdom is the prime thing... and with all that you acquire, acquire

> understanding "

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Hi & Steve,

I am curious if you felt that your leaky gut was a little better. The

probiotics in that formula are raised on foods high in glutamic acid, which is

important for learning and laying down memories. But it does heal the leaky gut

most of us are plagued with.

There are risks which are excess glutatmines which are excitotoxins. I react

very strongly to excitotoxins (for more info see Dr. Blaylock's work).

The product does mention intestinal health.

Just curious. My favorite probiotic didn't have many strains but was very

effective. The company no longer does business (that is what I was told).

Continental Acidophilus. It was a liquid and very effective. I found I had

less constipation (that is when I know it is effective). And if I have no gas

when eating beans/broccoli.

The other one I like was Eden's Bifidobacteria. It was sublingual. Very

effective but pricey. I use Jarrows now.

Marti

> >>

>

[Guest guest]

I can help you with the Kombucha

How mu;ch do you pay for your Co Q10?

How much do you use?

CoQ10 is one of the supps that helps alot I use about 200 mg per day

and I pay around 19.00 for 90 gel capsules at Trader Joes

I would like to find a better price

Steve

On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Tink wrote:

> Steve,

>

> The brand I used last and just ordered again is Healthy Origins,

> Probiotic, 30 Billion CFU's, 60 Vcaps.

> Nothing fancy, no refrigeration needed. I use most Healthy Origins

> stuff especially their Ubiquinol.

>

> Am going to look into Kombucha now might have some questions for you

> later if you don't mind.

>

> --

>

> Portland, OR

>

> On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:11 PM, S B wrote:

>

> > OK thanks

> >

> > Can you tell me me the name of the cheaper brand

> > I use Kombucha and I love it and make my own

> >

> > Steve

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Tink wrote:

> >

> >> Steve,

> >>

> >> To be honest I haven't felt much different that when I use my other

> >> (and much cheaper I might add) probiotics. I know according to the

> >> research that this one should be more beneficial to me than a

> >> cheaper brand but I feel the same.

> >>

> >> And in the light of your question: 'How do we feel we're

> benefiting'

> >> I was asking myself the same question. I have finished this first

> >> package which was for a month hoping for some magic but I truly

> >> can't pinpoint it down and was wondering if I would go to the

> >> trouble of ordering a new one.

> >>

> >> Maybe I'll just go back to my old brand and save me some much

> needed

> >> dollars. I make my own yogurt, I started doing that when I arrived

> >> in the US from Europe and could only find the fat-free processed

> >> yogurts instead of the nutritious whole milk with pro-biotics I was

> >> used to. Now a couple of years later even Whole Foods is selling

> >> whole yogurt and we have a farmer that makes and sells yogurt

> >> directly from the farm.

> >>

> >> I tried Kefir also, my yogurt machine does that -) and I love it

> too

> >> but prefer the yogurt for my breakfast with fruit and weetabix ;-)

> >>

> >> I started taking extra pro-biotics next to the yogurt because I

> take

> >> morphine sulfate and pro-biotics helps me not getting constipated

> >> from the morphine.

> >> Other than that I never felt any improvement in my health from

> >> taking pro-biotics.

> >>

> >> --

> >>

> >> Portland, OR

> >>

> >> On Feb 10, 2010, at 6:08 PM, S B wrote:

> >>

> >>> Hi

> >>>

> >>> How do you feel when you use it ?

> >>>

> >>> Steve

> >>> On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Tink wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> Because I use a lot of TCM my practitioner recommended Dr.

> >> Ohhira's,

> >>>> Essential Formulas 12 Plus which has a 5 year fermentation

> process.

> >>>> According to it's description:

> >>>> Twelve strains of lactic acid bacteria, including super potent

> >> TH10,

> >>>> are used in the fermentation of vegetables, fruits, seaweeds and

> >>>> mushrooms. Our biogenic matrix (the rich culture medium pre-

> biotic

> >>>> and natural organic acids) improves the gut environment and is

> what

> >>>> distinguishes this product from mere probiotics. Dr. Ohhira's

> >>>> Probiotics 12 Plus Professional Formula differs from the Original

> >>>> Formula in that after 3 years of fermentation, it receives two

> >>>> additional years of maturing.

> >>>> --

> >>>>

> >>>> Portland, OR

> >>>>

> >>>> On Feb 9, 2010, at 8:19 PM, S B wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>> Thanks Marcia

> >>>>>

> >>>>> That is a question I have

> >>>>> If the stomach acid kills a lot of the active constituents of

> >> stuff

> >>>>> like kefir and kombucha

> >>>>>

> >>>>> How do we know we a benefiting ?

> >>>>> How do you feel on kefit as compared to OTC Probiotics

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I have been making my own Kombucha for three years and drink

> >> about a

> >>>>> gallon a week

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Steve

> >>>>>

> >>>>> On Feb 9, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Marcia on wrote:

> >>>>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> > " Wisdom is the prime thing... and with all that you acquire, acquire

> > understanding "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

> with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested

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> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Steve,

I use Ubiquinol which is according to Kaneka(the manufacturer of Ubiquinone and

Ubiquinol in the US) 'the active form of anti-oxidants from CoQ10'

http://www.kanekaqh.com/

In the .pdf that I have it says: 'Conventional CoQ10 supplements provide a

compound called “ubiquinone”, which must be reduced to its active metabolite

“ubiquinol” in order to be used in the body.'

It's one of the products I splurge on mainly because my husband, who has a

hereditary problem with cholesterol, is using it also for his cardiac problems.

I pay for a bottle of 150 gels - 100 mg Ubiquinol 64.00

Much more expensive that your CoQ10.

I do notice when I take them, my irregular heartbeat is stable, the fainting

that I did when lying down in bed and turning to the other side is less and that

is something I did not feel when I was using CoQ10.

I did a quick search and came across a dr. Best's CoQ10 120 gels - 100 mg for

14.95

Mail me off list if you need the link.

--

Portland, OR

On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:55 PM, S B wrote:

>

>

> I can help you with the Kombucha

>

> How mu;ch do you pay for your Co Q10?

> How much do you use?

>

> CoQ10 is one of the supps that helps alot I use about 200 mg per day

> and I pay around 19.00 for 90 gel capsules at Trader Joes

> I would like to find a better price

[Guest guest]

Try Swanson. COQ10 is one of the products they keep low to lure new

customers and retain old ones. See the pricing below. Its the best I have

been able to find

http://www.swansonvitamins.com

They sell COQ10 for as low as $8

Re: Probiotics

CoQ10 is one of the supps that helps alot I use about 200 mg per day

and I pay around 19.00 for 90 gel capsules at Trader Joes

I would like to find a better price

Steve

On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Tink wrote:

[Guest guest]

I wonder how good it is

On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Tracey de Morsella wrote:

>

> Try Swanson. COQ10 is one of the products they keep low to lure new

> customers and retain old ones. See the pricing below. Its the best I

> have

> been able to find

>

> http://www.swansonvitamins.com

>

> They sell COQ10 for as low as $8

>

> Re: Probiotics

>

> CoQ10 is one of the supps that helps alot I use about 200 mg per day

> and I pay around 19.00 for 90 gel capsules at Trader Joes

> I would like to find a better price

>

> Steve

> On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Tink wrote:

>

>

>

" Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm

not sure about the the universe. "

Albert Einstein

[Guest guest]

As you can see the Swanson brand has a form of ubiquinone and not Ubiquinol.

The label says Ubidecarenone is the same as CoQ10 but is not Ubiquinol the

higher potency.

With 60 gels for 9.99 you will pay more than the 120 gels dr.Best brand.

--

Portland, OR

On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:52 PM, S B wrote:

> I wonder how good it is

>

>

> On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Tracey de Morsella wrote:

>

>>

>> Try Swanson. COQ10 is one of the products they keep low to lure new

>> customers and retain old ones. See the pricing below. Its the best I

>> have

>> been able to find

>>

>> http://www.swansonvitamins.com

>>

>> They sell COQ10 for as low as $8

>>

>> Re: Probiotics

>>

>> CoQ10 is one of the supps that helps alot I use about 200 mg per day

>> and I pay around 19.00 for 90 gel capsules at Trader Joes

>> I would like to find a better price

>>

>> Steve

>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Tink wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

I would love this information too. Please post to group!

thanks so much,

Deirdre , MS, RD, LDN

From: Laschkwitsch, :LPH Weight Management Institute <KLaschke@...>Subject: probiotics Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:05 PM

Trying to help an intern write a paper on probiotic use, does anyone know of reputable review of products? Anyone have research that may be helpful?

Is anyone regularly recommending and if so what brand/product?

Thanks for any input.

Laschkewitsch RD LDDietitianGood Samaritan Weight Management InstitutePortland, OR(503) 413-8135

[Guest guest]

I posed a similar question back in September and it appeared that 10 billion live cultures was the target and most RDs that responded recommended the brand Culturelle. Culturelle also has a sample program for professionals. See below for the study that I found.J Gastrointestinal Surg. 2009 Apr 18 by J. Morton at Stanford University School of Medicine 'Probiotics Improve Outcomes after Roux-en-Y Gastric

Surgery' es RDMills Peninsula Health ServicesFood Services1501 Trousdale Drive Burlingame, CA 94010650.696.5779 (phone)650.985.3014 (pager)monicamartinesrd@...

From: Laschkwitsch, :LPH Weight Management Institute <KLaschkeLHS (DOT) ORG>Subject: [bariatricNutrition Dietitians] probioticsBariatricNutritionD ietitiansDate: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:05 PM

Trying to help an intern write a paper on probiotic use, does anyone know of reputable review of products? Anyone have research that may be helpful?

Is anyone regularly recommending and if so what brand/product?

Thanks for any input.

Laschkewitsch RD LDDietitianGood Samaritan Weight Management InstitutePortland, OR(503) 413-8135

[Guest guest]

VSL3 is another fantastic one.From: es <monicamartinesrd@...> Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 12:39:08 AMSubject: Re: probiotics

I posed a similar question back in September and it appeared that 10 billion live cultures was the target and most RDs that responded recommended the brand Culturelle. Culturelle also has a sample program for professionals. See below for the study that I found.J Gastrointestinal Surg. 2009 Apr 18 by J. Morton at Stanford University School of Medicine 'Probiotics Improve Outcomes after Roux-en-Y Gastric

Surgery' es RDMills Peninsula Health ServicesFood Services1501 Trousdale Drive Burlingame, CA 94010650.696.5779 (phone)650.985.3014 (pager)monicamartinesrd

From: Laschkwitsch, :LPH Weight Management Institute <KLaschkeLHS (DOT) ORG>Subject: [bariatricNutrition Dietitians] probioticsBariatricNutritionD ietitiansDate: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:05 PM

Trying to help an intern write a paper on probiotic use, does anyone know of reputable review of products? Anyone have research that may be helpful?

Is anyone regularly recommending and if so what brand/product?

Thanks for any input.

Laschkewitsch RD LDDietitianGood Samaritan Weight Management InstitutePortland, OR(503) 413-8135

[Guest guest]

One of the best probiotic companies is Klair Labs. They have great info and products. A lot of research on biofilm as well. They may have phone conf. that she can review about their research.

I also really like and get good results from Integrative Therapeutics probiotic pearls. Nutrition action just did a nice spread on all of the yogurt probiotic claims. I can send if she cannot find it.

Tina Musselman, R.D., C.C.N. Bariatric Surgery Program Coordinator www.stjameshospital.org tina.musselman@... Phone: 708-679-2717 or 708-747-4000 ext. 7444 Fax: 708-679-2048

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Deirdre RileySent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:11 PM Subject: Re: probiotics

I would love this information too. Please post to group!

thanks so much,

Deirdre , MS, RD, LDN

From: Laschkwitsch, :LPH Weight Management Institute <KLaschkeLHS (DOT) ORG>Subject: probiotics Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:05 PM

Trying to help an intern write a paper on probiotic use, does anyone know of reputable review of products? Anyone have research that may be helpful?

Is anyone regularly recommending and if so what brand/product?

Thanks for any input.

Laschkewitsch RD LDDietitianGood Samaritan Weight Management InstitutePortla(503) 413-8135

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The ADA has a posistion paper on it...

From: Laschkwitsch, :LPH Weight Management Institute <KLaschkeLHS (DOT) ORG>Subject: [bariatricNutrition Dietitians] probioticsBariatricNutritionD ietitiansDate: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:05 PM

Trying to help an intern write a paper on probiotic use, does anyone know of reputable review of products? Anyone have research that may be helpful?

Is anyone regularly recommending and if so what brand/product?

Thanks for any input.

Laschkewitsch RD LDDietitianGood Samaritan Weight Management InstitutePortla(503) 413-8135

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