Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 I don't think it makes any sense to restrict complex carbs to allow recovery from dysbiosis. See http://www.food-allergy.org/root3.html Carbs are a very important part of our diet, particularly for people who are very physically active. Best regards, Celeste Duncan Crow wrote: > We've had to restrict carbs including oatmeal in nearly every > case in people with IBS, IBD, bowel; dysbsiosis and candida in > order to get their bowel to recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Hi Celeste: OK... I read your link and as much of the book as Amazon posted. Quoting the book: " Diet can also contribute to dysbiosis.... (3) Elaine Gottshalls's book Breaking the Vicious Cycle prescribes the " specific carbohydrate diet " for patients with inflammatory bowel disease.{4} This diet eliminates all grains, sugar, lactose, other disaccharides, and some starches that such patients may be unable to digest and absorb. This leads to a shift in bowel flora towards normal and improvement in symptoms. After two years on the diet, most patients can return to controlled eating of starches and not have symptoms return. " My question is: Does the book recommend restricting certain carbs as it implies and as Duncan recommends? It sounds like it does. If you follow Duncan's posts, you know that he generally recommends promoting friendly bacteria (with Inulin) as does every other health care professional that I pay attention to. I notice that under certain circumstances, even the friendlies can be problematic under certain circumstances, which I find very interesting. Kind Regards, Jim a1thighmaster wrote: > I don't think it makes any sense to restrict complex carbs to allow > recovery from dysbiosis. See http://www.food-allergy.org/root3.html > <http://www.food-allergy.org/root3.html> > > Carbs are a very important part of our diet, particularly for people > who are very physically active. > > Best regards, > > > > Duncan Crow wrote: > > We've had to restrict carbs including oatmeal in nearly every > > case in people with IBS, IBD, bowel; dysbsiosis and candida in > > order to get their bowel to recover. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Celeste, restricting carbs to cure dysbiosis makes perfect sense once you know the science behind the approach. Curing dysbiosis is next to impossible without carb restriction even when you seed the bowel ecology with a probiotic as well as use inulin, their prebiotic food. Thousands of people, many of whom had been miserable for years on a high-carb diet, have corrected serious bowel issues in just a couple of months by using this approach. Here's the candidiasis group for example; you can converse with many members there who have done it: candidiasis Contrary to popular belief, removing high-carb sources isn't even close to " low-carbing " ; all it is is closer to a primal diet, which supplies adequate carbohydrate through lower carb vegetation. There are still plenty of essential carbs even though we skip all the sugar, starch, grains and exotic seeds, potatoes, sweet potatoes, most fruit, bananas and such. The result naturally skews the dietary protein and fat ratio upwards, and we also use these as energy sources as you probably are aware. If you don't want to the restrict carbs to cure your dysbiosis, you can use a very high probiotic supplement such as VSL#3, which supplies 450 BILLION organisms per dose; the technique uses sheer force of numbers to overpower the pathogens. The probiotic does eat easy carbs, just not as fast as many pathogens and candida do so you need the large numbers of this very expensive method, which doesn't bother to account for the other damage a high-carb diet produces. Much of the science of using prebiotics to reverse dysbiosis is on my website; it includes a very good primer by Tungland. http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_prebiotic_probiotic.html Duncan On 17 Feb 2007 at 12:33, Longevity wrote: > e: Dysbiosis > Posted by: " a1thighmaster " thighmaster@... a1thighmaster > Date: Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:03 pm ((PST)) > > I don't think it makes any sense to restrict complex carbs to allow > recovery from dysbiosis. See http://www.food-allergy.org/root3.html > > Carbs are a very important part of our diet, particularly for people > who are very physically active. > > Best regards, > Celeste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Duncan, Thank you for taking the time to provide a good, easy to understand explanation. Best regards, Celeste Duncan Crow wrote: > Celeste, restricting carbs to cure dysbiosis makes perfect sense > once you know the science behind the approach. > > Curing dysbiosis is next to impossible without carb restriction > even when you seed the bowel ecology with a probiotic as well as > use inulin, their prebiotic food. Thousands of people, many of > whom had been miserable for years on a high-carb diet, have > corrected serious bowel issues in just a couple of months by > using this approach. Here's the candidiasis group for example; > you can converse with many members there who have done it: > candidiasis > > Contrary to popular belief, removing high-carb sources isn't even > close to " low-carbing " ; all it is is closer to a primal diet, > which supplies adequate carbohydrate through lower carb > vegetation. There are still plenty of essential carbs even though > we skip all the sugar, starch, grains and exotic seeds, potatoes, > sweet potatoes, most fruit, bananas and such. The result > naturally skews the dietary protein and fat ratio upwards, and we > also use these as energy sources as you probably are aware. > > If you don't want to the restrict carbs to cure your dysbiosis, > you can use a very high probiotic supplement such as VSL#3, which > supplies 450 BILLION organisms per dose; the technique uses sheer > force of numbers to overpower the pathogens. The probiotic does > eat easy carbs, just not as fast as many pathogens and candida do > so you need the large numbers of this very expensive method, > which doesn't bother to account for the other damage a high-carb > diet produces. > > Much of the science of using prebiotics to reverse dysbiosis is > on my website; it includes a very good primer by Tungland. > http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_prebiotic_probiotic.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Duncan, Thank you for taking the time to provide a good, easy to understand explanation. Best regards, Celeste Duncan Crow wrote: > Celeste, restricting carbs to cure dysbiosis makes perfect sense > once you know the science behind the approach. > > Curing dysbiosis is next to impossible without carb restriction > even when you seed the bowel ecology with a probiotic as well as > use inulin, their prebiotic food. Thousands of people, many of > whom had been miserable for years on a high-carb diet, have > corrected serious bowel issues in just a couple of months by > using this approach. Here's the candidiasis group for example; > you can converse with many members there who have done it: > candidiasis > > Contrary to popular belief, removing high-carb sources isn't even > close to " low-carbing " ; all it is is closer to a primal diet, > which supplies adequate carbohydrate through lower carb > vegetation. There are still plenty of essential carbs even though > we skip all the sugar, starch, grains and exotic seeds, potatoes, > sweet potatoes, most fruit, bananas and such. The result > naturally skews the dietary protein and fat ratio upwards, and we > also use these as energy sources as you probably are aware. > > If you don't want to the restrict carbs to cure your dysbiosis, > you can use a very high probiotic supplement such as VSL#3, which > supplies 450 BILLION organisms per dose; the technique uses sheer > force of numbers to overpower the pathogens. The probiotic does > eat easy carbs, just not as fast as many pathogens and candida do > so you need the large numbers of this very expensive method, > which doesn't bother to account for the other damage a high-carb > diet produces. > > Much of the science of using prebiotics to reverse dysbiosis is > on my website; it includes a very good primer by Tungland. > http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_prebiotic_probiotic.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 http://www.optimalhealthresearch.com/video.html Here is a video that is very interesting that explains how the friendly/unfriendly bacteria in our bodies affects the immune system. It does not mention thyroid, but a lot of people will have issues with fibromyalgia and arthritis and this might help to put them onto a new track in their journey to wellness. For myself, I have cheated on my diet over christmas and ended up with dreadful hypertension, this has gone from below normal a month ago to very high. I am thinking it is due to the sugars and grains I have been consuming and I am now trying to get things back to normal by diet. It is a hidden fact that the diseases that we suffer are often associated with candida and bad gut bacteria, and a lack of the good bacteria, and if we can get that sorted out our health can improve. This upset of bacteria is due to antibiotics and poor diet. I hope it might be helpful to concentrate on the source of ill health rather than being distracted by the symptoms. love janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 That was a very interesting video - thank you for sharing Pippa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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