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----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Connelly <sarahannc1@...> "thyroid treatment " <thyroid treatment > Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2012, 17:55 Subject: re tests Hi Sheila and All,Not on any of the drugs you mentioned, nor am i suffering from any psychiatric disorders. But if you spoke to the endoprat at the S G Hospital he would tell you i was mad, yes he did tell me that on one occasion when i asked him why my hair was falling out, why i had gained stones in wright, ans why i coul'nt stay awake in the afternoon. I pointed out i was only 33 and he said it was nothing to do with my Thyroid as he had taken care of that and indeed he had it would never work again. He said when i was leaving from my last appointment that he would see me again when i asked him when he said 3 to 5 years as i would now go underactive. as i shuffled out of his room i thought i hope it's soon because i can't survive like this, 25 years on still not well, must

have missed my appointment eh. Sorry for the rant, i will try to read the links you sent me. hope my blood results turn up tomorrow, the reason they are late is that when i came back from the hospital i put them in the freezer by mistake, can't think straight or spell. Luv Connelly

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Don't ever go back to that endoprat again , you don't have

to and you should choose somebody within the NHS to see from my recommended

doctors list. I will send that to you privately.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila

and All,

Not on

any of the drugs you mentioned, nor am i suffering from any psychiatric

disorders. But if you spoke to the endoprat at the S G Hospital he would tell

you i was mad, yes he did tell me that on one occasion when i asked him

why my hair was falling out, why i had gained stones in wright, ans why i

coul'nt stay awake in the afternoon. I pointed out i was only 33 and he said it

was nothing to do with my Thyroid as he had taken care of that and indeed he

had it would never work again. He said when i was leaving from my last

appointment that he would see me again when i asked him when he

said 3 to 5 years as i would now go underactive. as i shuffled out of his room

i thought i hope it's soon because i can't survive like this, 25 years on

still not well, must have missed my appointment eh. Sorry

for the rant, i will try to read the links you sent me. hope my blood

results turn up tomorrow, the reason they are late is that when i came

back from the hospital i put them in the freezer by mistake, can't

think straight or spell.

Luv Connelly

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Hi

it's a bit hard to follow your history here as the messages on the forum aren't

on the same thread for some reason.

do you mean about needing such a high dose , and having 'hyper' blood tests, but

feeling ok? has anyone seen this before?

Nick Foot posted about needing 12 grains of Armour thyroid, at one point:

thyroid treatment/message/72388

perhaps you have some kind of thyroid resistance? I believe Nick takes T3 now

and is on the Rt3 group. have you looked into t3/rt3?

I hope this helps and i have not misunderstood the situation

chris

>

> Hi Sheila,

>                      Thank's for your help,  just can't see a way out of

this,  But hope maybe  Dr p or S can come up with something it's  so strange

even to me that the tests can Hyperthyroid, when i start to feel a bit better

have you came across anyone like me.?   Dr Skinner did say he had only seen one

other like me. If he had not treated me i   know for sure i would be dead not

trying to be dramatic just was in such a bad way.  Sheila i will try and stay on

the 7grain if i can, but am i correct that i can still buy NDT over the

internet? if so i think i will have to raise my dose i don't think i was far

away. But who knows.I  have not seen Dr Skinner for about a Year i hope he will

give me a prescription again if i need it. Thank's Again

> Luv Connelly.

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Hi

I do think something else is going on but what it is i have no idea. I was

saying when i was in my thirties i was diagnosed Graves disease and months into

my treatment i was telling the endoprat i now feel ok, but he would not

listen he kept saying  i was still overactive,by this time i was very ill but

sat there like a dumpling swallowing Carbisamole. I told him i felt worse since

i came to see him and he nearly had a fit. So to sum up when tests are normal i

feel lousy with every symptom, when they are very high i start to feel a bit

better, I see i am posting and it is on the discussion forum so as you can see

don't have the hang of this yet.  Sheila is dealing with this and  by

the way i have been a patient of Dr Skinner for about 12 Year's i welcome you're

advise and if you can come up with anything else i would be glad to listen. And

no i have not looked into Rt3 how would i know i have this? Don't know if this

makes any more sense to

you thanks for the reply.

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Hi I have high Cortisol, low b12, Shed any light.Luv Connelly From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> thyroid treatment Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2012, 22:41

Subject: Re: Re tests

maybe it's some kind of thyroid resistance ?

this site may help:

http://thyroid-rt3.com/

>

And no i have not looked into Rt3 how would i know i have this? Don't know if this makes any more sense to

> you thanks for the reply.

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High cortisol may increase T4 > rT3 conversion. if you can afford it, maybe

it's worth getting an Rt3 test with genova diagnostics?

>

> Hi

> I have high Cortisol, low b12, Shed any light.

> Luv   Connelly

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hi sarah

i agree with chris that as a process of elimination it would be worth getting a

reverse t3 test done however logic would suggest that rt3 is probably not the

problem. usually when people have too high rt3 they don't do well by continuing

to take ndt due to the t4 content. (but i may be wrong).(rt3 is made from t4).

i have read on numerous occasions that once people have been hyperthyroid with

graves they can become de-sensitised to t3 and HAVE TO HAVE high doses of t3 in

order to feel normal. there is/was someone called tess on this forum who

experienced the same situation. oddly enough a couple of days ago i was

wondering how she was doing because she'd been to hell and back.

(i am sorry to say i've got no references to post relating to this

de-sensitising).

best wishes.

trish

ps i hope you are supplementing sublingual b12?

>

> Hi

> I have high Cortisol, low b12, Shed any light.

> Luv   Connelly

 

>

> maybe it's some kind of thyroid resistance ?

>

> this site may help:

>

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/

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Hi Trish

I was thinking of rt3 because the only other person i know of who used to

need/take high dose NDT was Nick Foot, and he seemed to do better on T3 only.

If i remember rightly (and it's 2 or 3 years ago now), Nick's symptoms sounded

somewhat similar in some respects....

i would also look into any problems with inflammation with regards to the high

cortisol?

chris

>

>

usually when people have too high rt3 they don't do well by continuing to take

ndt due to the t4 content. (but i may be wrong).(rt3 is made from t4).

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Hi , going by your extremely high thyroid function results

and the fact that you are taking 7 grains of Armour, Dr Peatfield telephoned me

this morning. He says that from the messages he has read from you, your results

are far too high - and that taking such a massive dose of natural thyroid

extract will just shut down your system - he thinks you are needing to take so

much NDT because your adrenals are not up to scratch and that you need to cut

down the Armour and raise whatever adrenal supplementation you are taking. If

your adrenals are not up to speed, no amount of thyroid hormone is going to

work. See the attached document to show the other associated conditions that go

along with being hypothyroid that actually stop the thyroid hormone being

utilised properly.

If you are not taking any adrenal supplements you should get the

24 hour salivary adrenal test from Genova to see what level of cortisol and

DHEA you are putting out at four specific times during the day but if you are

taking NAE, you should stop this for two weeks before you have the test.

Is there any chance you could get an appointment with either Dr

Peatfield or Dr Skinner. Dr P has a clinic at my cottage 22nd to 24th February

(Nr. Skipton in Yorkshire) if there is any chance you could get up here, but

you would have to let me know as a matter of urgency because I only have two

places left, and they are likely to go within the next 24 hours.

Now telling me that you took 3 grains of Armour before your blood

test explains a lot. You must contact Genova Diagnostics immediately via the

Email they sent to you and tell them that you had taken 3 grains of Armour

before your afternoon test and you know that T3 peaks in the blood a couple of

hours or so after taking it, so this would have made the results flawed. Ask

them if there is a possibility they could send you another kit and do the test

again. Let us know what they say and of course, the outcome.

Luv - Sheila

Hi

Sheila,

Forgot to

say i took my second dose ERFA on the afternoon before the test

3 & half grains at about 3pm .

Luv

Connelly.

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HI

It is my recollection that with significant peripheral cellular hormone

reception that one needs high doses of T3 to improve the statistics / chance of

the cells getting the T3 via their mutated receptors.

Have a great day,

> >

> >

> usually when people have too high rt3 they don't do well by continuing to take

ndt due to the t4 content. (but i may be wrong).(rt3 is made from t4).

>

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Hi Sheila,Thought you asked me to send them again to save you looking back.Luv Connelly ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Sheila <sheila@...> thyroid treatment Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012, 12:44 Subject: RE: Re tests

To save me having to go back to find your antibodies results,

can you give me them again - and was the antibody test done at the same

time you had your thyroid function test done by Genova and the Salivary adrenal

profile - or were these done at a different time? Luv - Sheila

Hi

Sheila,

Forgot to

ask if he said anything about the antibodies, and might this be

infection.of some kind. also have you known anyone to have this many.

Luv

Connelly

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Oh of course. It was just that I couldn't remember seeing the

results of the antibodies and needed to see just how high these were.

I have written to you privately about these.

Luv - Sheila

Hi

Sheila,

Thought

you asked me to send them again to save you looking back.

Luv

Connelly

To save me having to go back to find your antibodies results,

can you give me them again - and was the antibody test done at the same

time you had your thyroid function test done by Genova and the Salivary adrenal

profile - or were these done at a different time?

Luv - Sheila

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