Re: thyroid without adrenal treatment?

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

There is a school of thought which says you don't treat the adrenals, because

once the thyroid meds are right the adrenals heal themselves. I think Dr

Skinner might see it that way and I rather think who wrote a t3 book

recently sees it that way too...

If you take the meds and feel much worse, then you'll perhaps need to sort the

adrenals, but if you take the meds and feel better.... great!!

Are you currently supporting adrenals with plenty of vitamin C and B vitamins (

e.g. nutri adrenal extra) ?

>

> I was wondering if I have to treat my adrenal fatigue before I start thyroid

meds?

[Guest guest]

No I am not taking anything. Just Vitamin D and Ferrous Sulfate

>

> Hi ,

>

> There is a school of thought which says you don't treat the adrenals, because

once the thyroid meds are right the adrenals heal themselves. I think Dr

Skinner might see it that way and I rather think who wrote a t3 book

recently sees it that way too...

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[Guest guest]

I was wondering if I have to treat my adrenal fatigue before

I start thyroid meds? I ask because my symptoms are getting worse and I want to

get better. This week especially I have had a huge increase in symptoms. I

don't have money for the testing.

If you have low adrenal reserve, then yes, you must start

treating your adrenals for at least 7 days before starting thyroid meds. Read

the attached paper written by Dr Peatfield (one of our medical advisers). This

goes into some detail and you will see the thyroid/adrenal connection and the

reason why it is so important to learn about this.

Go to our FILES section http://health.grooups./group/thyrouidpatientadvocacy/Files/

and scroll down the list of FOLDERS there to the one entitled 'Discounts on

Tests and Supplements'. On the page that opens, click on 'Nutri Ltd' and order a

drum of 120 tablets of Nutri Adrenal Extra (I would actually order two drums). Follow

the instructions there and quote the TPA reference number. If you telephone

at Nutri, he will send them out first class so you will receive them the

day after. Being a member of TPA entitles you to receive 33% discount.

You need to be also taking Selenium 200mcgs daily (with food)

and high doses of vitamin C (2/3000mcgs daily) to help with absorption.

You start by taking one tablet with breakfast and stay on that

for 7 to 10 days and increase by another tablet and take this with lunch (never

take any after 1.00p.m.). Stay on that for another 14 days and see how you

feel, and if you still feel the need for more, take another tablet with your breakfast.

You can take up to 6 tablets daily, but if you are still suffering adrenal

fatigue, this is usually an indication you might need Isocort (stronger than

NAE but not as potent as HC) or to start a course of cortisol. However, that is

jumping the gun.

After you have taken your NAE for 7 days, you can then start the

thyroid hormone replacement.

However, you need to ensure all your minerals and vitamins that

we mention all the time have been tested and get those results and post them

here on the forum, together with the reference range and we will help with

their interpretation.

Check also this link and learn how to take your temperature

three times a day to check how your temperature changes once you start taking

the Nutri Adrenal Extra. http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

Have you any thyroid function test results since your baby was

born. You should perhaps ask your GP to refer you to a specialist because he is

a GP only.

Luv - Sheila

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[Guest guest]

>

> If you have low adrenal reserve, then yes, you must start treating your

> adrenals for at least 7 days before starting thyroid meds. Read the attached

> paper written by Dr Peatfield (one of our medical advisers). This goes into

> some detail and you will see the thyroid/adrenal connection and the reason

> why it is so important to learn about this.

>

> Go to our FILES section

> http://health.grooups./group/thyrouidpatientadvocacy/Files/ and

So a drum must be a bottle? Also, I see Nutri Thyroid, is this the thyroid meds

I need, like Armour? Are the prices list before or after discount? Lastly I

live in America so I think the phone number would need to have a few extra

digits, like a country code. I will see if I can figure it out but do you know

if I need extra numbers to call?

Thanks Sheila-

[Guest guest]

I forgot to mention I get testing done yearly because when I got my thyroid

removed my endo told me to. However, I have never been back to him, insurance

is complicated here. So I have lots of test fpr just about everything, Last

time I did them was in June 2011.

>

> I was wondering if I have to treat my adrenal fatigue before I start thyroid

> meds? I ask because my symptoms are getting worse and I want to get better.

> This week especially I have had a huge increase in symptoms. I don't have

> money for the testing.

[Ed]

[Guest guest]

Nutri Thyroid is a

supplement made up of the right minerals and vitamins to help boost the thyroid

gland function. It is a supplement and not a hormone so cannot replace thyroid

hormones if your thyroid is not making sufficient or the thyroid hormone is not

getting into the cells. Many people start off by taking Nutri Thyroid and then

after about 6 weeks, start to use natural thyroid extract or synthetic

thyroxine or triiodothyronine (T3). You may have to pay more for the postage to

the US.

If you look at the

list you will see both the recommended price and the discount price for TPA

members.

Sheila

>

> Go to our FILES section

> http://health.grooups./group/thyrouidpatientadvocacy/Files/

and

I see Nutri Thyroid, is this the thyroid meds I need, like Armour? Are the

prices list before or after discount? Lastly I live in America so I think the

phone number would need to have a few extra digits, like a country code. I will

see if I can figure it out but do you know if I need extra numbers to call?

Thanks Sheila-

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[Guest guest]

Do you have the test results for June tests. We need these

together with the reference range.

Sheila

I forgot to mention I get testing done yearly because when I got my thyroid

removed my endo told me to. However, I have never been back to him, insurance

is complicated here. So I have lots of test fpr just about everything, Last

time I did them was in June 2011.

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this is my june test results

Chloride 110 98-109

calcium 8.4 8.5-10.5

Protein, total 5.9 6.3-8.0

Bun/Creatinine

Ratio 32 7-24

Ferritin 6 6-250

TSH+Reflex 1.660 .4-5.0

hemoglobin 11.5 11.6-15.5

thyroglobin

autoantibodies <20 0.0-40.0

thyroid peroxidase

antibodies <10 0.0-35

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> Do you have the test results for June tests. We need these together with the

> reference range.

>

> Sheila

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>

>

> I forgot to mention I get testing done yearly because when I got my thyroid

> removed my endo told me to. However, I have never been back to him,

> insurance is complicated here. So I have lots of test fpr just about

> everything, Last time I did them was in June 2011.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi - I have removed the tests that are of no concern.

calcium 8.4 8.5-10.5 - below the bottom of the

range

Protein, total 5.9 6.3-8.0 - also outside bottom of

range

Ferritin 6 6-250 - VERY, VERY low. This requires

supplementing with iron as a matter of urgency. You need to talk to your GP

about iron injections or refer you to a haematologist. Your ferritin level

should be around 90 for it to be 'normal'.

hemoglobin 11.5 11.6-15.5 - This too is outside the

bottom of the range.

What comments did your GP make when these results were returned?

You should be tested also for folate, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium,

copper and zinc. We need these results. Again, if any of these are low, no

amount of thyroid hormone, not even your own can be fully utilised in the

cells.

Luv - Sheila

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> Do you have the test results for June tests. We need these together with

the

> reference range.

>

> Sheila

>

>

[Guest guest]

I take 325mg Ferrous Sulfate 2x a day right now. My GP didn't say anything Drs

never say anything about my results They act like I am fine. It was hard to

get them to believe I needed Iron they said it was in the normal range. Because

it falls into the the reference range.

>

> Hi - I have removed the tests that are of no concern.

> calcium 8.4 8.5-10.5 - below the bottom of the range

> Protein, total 5.9 6.3-8.0 - also outside bottom of range

> Ferritin 6 6-250 - VERY, VERY low. This requires supplementing with iron as

> a matter of urgency. You need to talk to your GP about iron injections or

> refer you to a haematologist. Your ferritin level should be around 90 for it

> to be 'normal'.

> hemoglobin 11.5 11.6-15.5 - This too is outside the bottom of the range.

>

[Guest guest]

So should I be treating all these things? I have always had low protien. I do

take ferrous sulfate 325mg 2x a day.

Thanks again

>

> Hi - I have removed the tests that are of no concern.

> calcium 8.4 8.5-10.5 - below the bottom of the range

> Protein, total 5.9 6.3-8.0 - also outside bottom of range

> Ferritin 6 6-250 - VERY, VERY low. This requires supplementing with iron as

> a matter of urgency. You need to talk to your GP about iron injections or

> refer you to a haematologist. Your ferritin level should be around 90 for it

> to be 'normal'.

> hemoglobin 11.5 11.6-15.5 - This too is outside the bottom of the range.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes , you should be treating all those minerals/vitamins

that are low in the range before thyroid hormone can be properly used in the

cells.

Luv - Sheila

So should I be treating all these things? I have always had low protien. I do

take ferrous sulfate 325mg 2x a day.

Thanks again

>

> Hi - I have removed the tests that are of no concern.

> calcium 8.4 8.5-10.5 - below the bottom of the range

> Protein, total 5.9 6.3-8.0 - also outside bottom of range

> Ferritin 6 6-250 - VERY, VERY low. This requires supplementing with iron

as

> a matter of urgency. You need to talk to your GP about iron injections or

> refer you to a haematologist. Your ferritin level should be around 90 for

it

> to be 'normal'.

> hemoglobin 11.5 11.6-15.5 - This too is outside the bottom of the range.

>

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[Guest guest]

OK So to treat these should I take supplements or foods? I am allergic to many

many foods that has caused me to be Gluten free and Vegan So for Calcium I

can't drink milk, Protein I eat beans but I have always been low on protien so

should I drink a protein shake? Also the Hemoglobin how do I treat that? I

can't even imagine how to fix that. I take ferrous Sulfate 325 mg 2x a day but

I am just not sure what to do about that one.

Thanks

> >

> > Hi - I have removed the tests that are of no concern.

> > calcium 8.4 8.5-10.5 - below the bottom of the range

> > Protein, total 5.9 6.3-8.0 - also outside bottom of range

> > Ferritin 6 6-250 - VERY, VERY low. This requires supplementing with iron

> as

> > a matter of urgency. You need to talk to your GP about iron injections or

> > refer you to a haematologist. Your ferritin level should be around 90 for

> it

> > to be 'normal'.

> > hemoglobin 11.5 11.6-15.5 - This too is outside the bottom of the range.

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi

This is a vegetarian source of Calcium - from seaweed, apparently.

They are only about 50% of the RDA for 2 capsules though so might be a bit pricy

long term

http://www.natures-own.co.uk/acatalog/p302.html

I'm sorry if I missed them,but did you also get zinc, magnesium, copper and

potassium tested? I was told that ionised calcium is important, and red blood

cell magnesium, but i don't know enough about them to be honest.

chris

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>

>

> OK So to treat these should I take supplements or foods? I am allergic to

many many foods that has caused me to be Gluten free and Vegan So for Calcium I

can't drink milk,

[Guest guest]

I don't know about the other test you asked about. I missed placed my labs.

But I just remembered that Sesame Seeds have SO MUCH calcium. I love sushi and

make it often and add sesame seeds because of the amount calcium but I don't

have it everyday which could be a problem.

>

> Hi

>

> This is a vegetarian source of Calcium - from seaweed, apparently.

>

> They are only about 50% of the RDA for 2 capsules though so might be a bit

pricy long term

>

> http://www.natures-own.co.uk/acatalog/p302.html

>

> I'm sorry if I missed them,but did you also get zinc, magnesium, copper and

potassium tested? I was told that ionised calcium is important, and red blood

cell magnesium, but i don't know enough about them to be honest.

>

> chris

>