Re: Reposting Adrenal Questionnaire

[Guest guest]

,

it is difficult for anybody to tell what these results mean. The meaning of

these numbers should be explained in the questionnaire so those taking part can

understand whether they have a mild, medium or serious problem with adrenal

fatigue. Is there no explanation either at the start of the questionnaire or at

the end?

Sheila

I hope it's ok to repost this, some forums have

rules about reposting things. But I took the questionnaire for the Adrenal

fatigue and was wondering what you thought about my results. I know it shows

definitely adrenal fatigue but does it show you guys anything else more

significant that I can't see from reading the results and the instructions?

Thanks again

I took the questionnaire and I would like to post my results.

Predisposiing factors 12

Key signs and symptoms 53

Energy patterns 36

frequently observed events 21

food patterns 21

aggravating factors 11

relieving factors 10

total points 152

# answered 59

severity index 1.7

asterisk total 8

your imput would be appreciated. Thank you

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[Guest guest]

oh no, there was an explaination on what it meant but not a section by section

explaination. I was thinking maybe one section might of been a bigger indicator

of something. It is broken up into sections like Food Patterns, and Energy. I

thought well maybe the food patterns could indicate if you just change your

eating habits you'll be fine and the energy section may show wow! you really

need help asap. Or something along those lines but I must be wrong, sorry. It

gives an overall score with an explaination of Extreme, Medium, Mild, non

adrenal stress thanks for answering tho.

[Guest guest]

I suggest doing the Hertoghe questionnaire. The other one is probably a bit of

an over kill in my view and only focusses on one thing - that's not so helpful

if there are a few things out (thyroid, cortisol, sex hormones). it's better to

look at the whole system, not just adrenals (again my thoughts only)

thyroid treatment/files/MEDICAL%20QUES\

TIONNAIRES/

Have you done an adrenal saliva test, too?

For information on symptoms of thyroid and cortisol (etc) deficiencies, you

could do a lot worse than reading Dr Hertoghe's book, which you can buy from

Amazon.co.uk . Sorry, don't have time to paste the answers here.

Chris

>

>

> oh no, there was an explaination on what it meant but not a section by section

explaination. I was thinking maybe one section might of been a bigger indicator

of something. It is broken up into sections like Food Patterns, and Energy. I

thought well maybe the food

[Guest guest]

No I haven't done the saliva test yet. Money is extremely tight right now and it

could be months before I could get that. I might still be a month before I can

get anything to start. What is the first thing I should get? Thyroid pills?

Adrenal pills? TEst? I will need to get one at a time with about a month

inbetween each one. So I am trying to figure out what I should do first since

this could take 3-4 months to do it all. Thanks

>

> I suggest doing the Hertoghe questionnaire. The other one is probably a bit

of an over kill in my view and only focusses on one thing - that's not so

helpful if there are a few things out (thyroid, cortisol, sex hormones). it's

better to look at the whole system, not just adrenals (again my thoughts only)

>

[Guest guest]

What did the hertoghe questionnaire show?

what you start with might depend on what symptoms are worse?

chris

> >

> > I suggest doing the Hertoghe questionnaire. The other one is probably a bit

of an over kill in my view and only focusses on one thing - that's not so

helpful if there are a few things out (thyroid, cortisol, sex hormones). it's

better to look at the whole system, not just adrenals (again my thoughts only)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> What did the hertoghe questionnaire show?

>

> what you start with might depend on what symptoms are worse?

>

> chris

>

ACTH is Satisfcatory

Aldosterone is Satisfcatory

Calcitocin is possibly deficient

Cortisol is possibly deficient

DHEA is probably deficient

EPO is possibly deficient

Estrogen is Satisfcatory

Growth Hormone is possibly deficient

Insulin is Satisfcatory

Melatonin is probably deficient

Pregnenolone is Satisfcatory

Progestrerone is probably deficient, if you are menturating or

post-menopausal woman on HRT

is probably deficient, if you are post-menopausal woman not on

HRT

Testosterone is probably deficient, if you are a woman

is possibly deficient, if you are a man

Thyroid Hormones is probably deficient

Vasopressin is Satisfcatory

[Guest guest]

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> >

> > What did the hertoghe questionnaire show?

> >

> > what you start with might depend on what symptoms are worse?

> >

> > chris

> >

>

I really do not know what these mean.

[Guest guest]

> I really do not know what these mean.

>

In my reply to you, in this post:

thyroid treatment/message/97251

I suggested doing the Hertoghe questionnaire - this is a questionnaire taken

from the book by the hormone expert, Dr Thierry Hertoghe.

The questionnaire may indicate where your problems lie. You asked which to

start with - well, if all your symptoms match adrenals, then i'd be inclined to

start there. If there are thyroid symptoms but no adrenal symptoms, well, i'd

start there.

Dr Hertoghe's website has good information:

http://www.hertoghe.eu/patients/index.php?option=com_content & view=article & id=133\

& Itemid=168 & lang=en

You can also find a version of the questionnaire that you can fill in, here:

http://blog.saravanan.org/?p=40 -- you need to click 'click to edit' so you

can fill in the questionnaire with a 0,1,3, or 4, depending on your symptoms.

The results are on the second tab of the spreadsheet named 'Answers'

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I missed your reply with the answers, and I misunderstood your post

because of that

chris

>

>

> > I really do not know what these mean.

> >

[Guest guest]

ACTH is Satisfcatory

Aldosterone is Satisfcatory

Calcitocin is possibly deficient

Cortisol is possibly deficient

DHEA is probably deficient

EPO is possibly deficient

Estrogen is Satisfcatory

Growth Hormone is possibly deficient

Insulin is Satisfcatory

Melatonin is probably deficient

Pregnenolone is Satisfcatory

Progestrerone is probably deficient, if you are menturating or post-menopausal

woman on HRT

is probably deficient, if you are post-menopausal woman not on HRT

Testosterone is probably deficient, if you are a woman

is possibly deficient, if you are a man

Thyroid Hormones is probably deficient

Vasopressin is Satisfcatory

I will add the actual points I got to. If this helps

ACTH 2

Aldosterone 4

Calcitocin 7

Cortisol 20

DHEA 30

EPO 6

Estrogen 7

Growth Hormone 12

Insulin 4

Melatonin 21

Pregnenolone 6

Progestrerone 30

Testosterone 12

Thyroid Hormones 38

Vasopressin 3

>

> Sorry, I missed your reply with the answers, and I misunderstood your post

because of that

>

> chris

>

[Guest guest]

These answers are only guides of course, but they give us a clue, which is what

we're looking for.

It looks like you have symptoms of thyroid and adrenal (sorry, stating the

obvious). Thyroid symptoms score higher than adrenal - some people think that

if you treat thyroid, then the adrenals will start to work better.

explained this very well here:

thyroid treatment/message/97247

Apparently, being hypothyroid will raise your CBG - cortisol binding globulin,

leaving less free cortisol. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7749500 I am

not sure, but I wonder if this is why some people have adrenal problems when

they are hypothyroid? Apparently, the adrenals need thyroid hormone (and

certain nutrients) to work weill.

I would look at thyroid first, but start very gently. Some people take adrenal

glandulars before starting thyroid, such as

http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Adrenal-Cortex-60-Veggie-Caps/18706?at=0

(there are other brands available, and TPA members can get discounts on Nutri

adrenal products, but for me Nutri adrenal were too stimulating). The

glandulars are supposed to support adrenal function.

chris

[Guest guest]

are you under the care of a doctor? can you consult one if possible? it is

best to be under the care of a doctor than have to self treat, but some people

have no option to self treat, i realise this.

chris

[Guest guest]

I have no choice I have gone to Many Many dr's I can't get the help I need.

That is why I am here

>

> are you under the care of a doctor? can you consult one if possible? it is

best to be under the care of a doctor than have to self treat, but some people

have no option to self treat, i realise this.

>

> chris

>

[Guest guest]

PLEASE REMOVE OLD MESSAGES AND ONLY LEAVE A FEW LINES FROM THE MESSAGE YOU ARE

REPLYING TO BEFORE SENDING YOUR MESSAGE.

MODERATOR

I wasn't sure what that test was saying so even though you think you were

stating the obvious I say thank you for stating it. What about the DHEA and

Cortisol? Is that part of adrenal fatigue? Or should I take them seperately?

I use to Take DHEA and so I am a little confused about the difference of adrenal

fatigue and DHEA.

>

> These answers are only guides of course, but they give us a clue, which is

what we're looking for.

>

> It looks like you have symptoms of thyroid and adrenal (sorry, stating the

obvious). Thyroid symptoms score higher than adrenal - some people think that

if you treat thyroid, then the adrenals will start to work better.

explained this very well here:

thyroid treatment/message/97247

[Guest guest]

Many of our members are here because they have been left with no

other option other than to self diagnose, self treat and self monitor, which

here, in the UK it is legal to do, and some actually recommend that we do this,

probably to save the NHS money.

You will need to do some reading though to first understand

exactly how the thyroid system works, what associated conditions can go along

with this disease that stop thyroid hormone (even your own) from being fully

utilised at the cellular level, you need to learn how to check for such

conditions, how to interpret blood results and what supplements are required.

Many of our members have regained normal health and gone back to paid

employment.

Take one baby step at a time, and learn about one thing at a

time, and when you feel you understand that part, only then move on to the

next, but keep asking questions, questions and even more questions if

necessary.

Luv - Sheila

I have no choice I have gone to Many Many dr's

I can't get the help I need. That is why I am here

>

> are you under the care of a doctor? can you consult one if possible? it is

best to be under the care of a doctor than have to self treat, but some people

have no option to self treat, i realise this.

>

> chris

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheila-

I have studied a lot about thyroid its the adrenals that are new to me. I had

never heard of Adrenals until 2 years ago when the dr told me mine were low I

didn't think much of it until the last 6 months since I wasn't sure what it was

and I was trying to figure other stuff out, on top of that I am sick a lot, work

full time, homeschool my kids the list goes on so I don't have a lot of time to

study this area. I have the last few years been studying the new food allergies

I have that keep getting worse which I keep trying to stay away from but new

ones come along which is currently at about 9-10 main food groups. I have also

realized each and everyone of my sickness ALL tie into Autoimmune diseases!

Which I never had any until I had Thyroid issues (my first issue). I have

learned so much from this forum. Thank you to all! I have visited STTM for

about 5-6 years now a dr here tld me to go there, the information has increased

over time and I am able to get more questions answered. Thank you again. I

just heard back from Genova and I will be doing all the test .

>

> Many of our members are here because they have been left with no other

> option other than to self diagnose, self treat and self monitor, which here,

[Guest guest]

Ok i just wanted to check.

There is much information in the files - probably all of the information you

could need: thyroid treatment/files

chris

>

> I have no choice I have gone to Many Many dr's I can't get the help I need.

That is why I am here

>

[Guest guest]

There is a LOT of information in the files. For me it is overwhelming making it

hard to figure out where to start first. Your suggestion to do the temperature

testing throughout the day I think is going to be most helpful.

I appreciate all the help pointing me in a direction to start and not getting

frustrated with me because I am probably asking things that are already answered

in the files somewhere. THANK YOU SO MUCH to everyone answering my question it

really really has been an extremely huge help. I have actually been a part of

this group for Years but never posted anything because I felt I needed to read

all the files first and again every time I would start to try I would get

overwhelmed and frustrated because I wasn't sure where to start. SO then

finally after getting a daily digest not to long ago I saw a question I knew

something about and I decided to ask a question myself

Thanks again for your help I know I will be asking more questions especially as

I go through the files now that I have a starting point.

Sincerely,

>

> Ok i just wanted to check.

>

> There is much information in the files - probably all of the

[Guest guest]

, the complication of low adrenal reserve (or adrenal

fatigue) for those with symptoms of hypothyroidism is not being recognised by

NHS doctors unfortunately. All they appear to know something about is 's

Disease (too little or no cortisol production) or Cushing's Syndrome (too high

a level of cortisol production) - but they refuse to recognise any of the steps

that lead up to either of these diseases. Read what Dr Peatfield says here:

Adrenal

Insufficiency

This

might be more properly described as low adrenal reserve. Since hypothyroidism

adversely affects every cell, every tissue, and every gland in the body it is

clear that the endocrine system as a whole will be also similarly affected. The

adrenals will be subject firstly to lowered efficiency resulting from a lowered

vitality primary to hypothyroidism, and secondarily, to reduced ACTH

stimulation from the pituitary. As a result, in general, patients with a

protracted and/or severe hypothyroid state will have some degree of adrenal

insufficiency. A significant level of this will be suspected in these

situations:

a. Longstanding and

severe hypothyroidism.

b. Episodes of

extreme exhaustion, or collapse.

c. Bad response to

minor illness.

d. Multiple

allergies.

e. Digestive

problems – alternate diarrhoea and constipation

f. Flatulence

g. Weight loss

h. Increasing

arthralgia (fibromyalgia) and morning stiffness.

i. Pallor, yellow

pigmentation (due to poorly metabolized carotene)

j. Fainting,

dizziness

These patients

often present with dark rings under their eyes, looking quite ill. Blood

pressure is low, with a positive Raglan’s sign. (Pressure fails to rise

on standing). These symptoms and signs, it will be appreciated, are those of

the early phases of ’s Disease.

A single estimation

of blood Cortisol is usually unhelpful, but De-hydroepiandrosterone sulphate

(DHEA), the main hormone output from the adrenals, will be found to be low.

Depressed levels in the endocrine system as a whole are likely to be found. The

low adrenal reserve means patients are more or less well, until challenged by

the stress of illness or life events--even the thyroid replacement therapy

itself initially. And this partial failure will affect adversely T4-T3

conversion and the integrity of the thyroid receptors.

It is essential to

manage this insufficiency where present, or where suspected. Remarkably,

patients with symptoms, signs and blood pathology of low thyroid, may improve

completely on management and correction of the adrenal problems alone; as

conversion and receptor efficiency improves, the thyroid hormone circulating -

partly unused - is brought into play.

Adrenal

insufficiency is dealt with by the provision of the two hormones most likely to

be lacking; Cortisonehydrocortisone, and DHEA. (as pointed out above, low DHEA

may be used to infer low cortisone output). The treatment therefore, is the

exhibition of, ideally, Hydrocortisone. This should be given in divided doses

initially of 5mg qds; after a week, 10 mg qds may be used. This remains a

physiological dose, not challenging or suppressing the adrenal function, but

supplementing it. In these doses all of the usual anxieties associated with

cortisone do not apply, since restoration of normality is being aimed at.

This may need to be

explained to patients long subject to media-induced fears of the horrors of

corticosteroids (Their physicians may share these anxieties, unnecessarily). Dr

McCormack Jeffries’ papers on the subject are most worthy of study. DHEA

has reached prominence in recent times as a hormone of multiple, and magic

properties. Certain it is that the adrenals secrete more DHEA than anything

else, and the amount is inversely proportional to age. It is metabolized to

oestrogen and/or testosterone, but also has been shown to play a role in reducing

obesity; in reducing atherosclerosis and cholesterol; it inhibits the glucose

-6-dehydrogenase enzyme in cancer; it improves immune response, and, possibly,

acts as a neural facilitator. In physiological doses, there seems to be no

problem in its long-term use. If levels are demonstrably low, it is reasonable

to provide replacement therapy.

I

hope this helps a little.

Luv -

Sheila

Thanks Sheila-

I have studied a lot about thyroid its the adrenals that are new to me. I had

never heard of Adrenals until 2 years ago when the dr told me mine were low I

didn't think much of it until the last 6 months since I wasn't sure what it was

and I was trying to figure other stuff out, on top of that I am sick a lot,

work full time, homeschool my kids the list goes on so I don't have a lot of

time to study this area. I have the last few years been studying the new food

allergies I have that keep getting worse which I keep trying to stay away from

but new ones come along which is currently at about 9-10 main food groups. I

have also realized each and everyone of my sickness ALL tie into Autoimmune

diseases! Which I never had any until I had Thyroid issues (my first issue). I

have learned so much from this forum. Thank you to all! I have visited STTM for

about 5-6 years now a dr here tld me to go there, the information has increased

over time and I am able to get more questions answered. Thank you again. I just

heard back from Genova and I will be doing all the test .

>

> Many of our members are here because they have been left with no other

> option other than to self diagnose, self treat and self monitor, which

here,

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