Re: What next? Any advice?

January 23, 2012

, the B12 needs to be nearer to 800 than bumping along at the bottom of the

range..... In Japan they would treat you at 600!!

The free T3 and Free T4 are both too low, if you are on meds you want them in

the top third of the range, so your T4 needs to be over 20 given the 9-25

reference range.... and the t3 needs to be over 5.5.....

The ferritin in too low as well..... needs to be at least 70.

If you have too little t3, too little iron and too little B12 tiredness is

pretty much guaranteed.....

I think you need some iron, some B12 (sublingual) and to up the meds....

Make sure you spend a little time in the sun, (without sunscreen) to take care

of the D3.

>

> results:

> iron: 11.7 (ref range 9.0 - 26.0)

> transferrin: 2.40 (2.10 - 3.80)

> saturation: 20 (13- 51)

> ferritin: 58 (10-120?- hard to make out on page)

> Free t4: 13.5 (9.0 - 25)

> TSH: 1.62 (0.35 - 5.50)

> Free T3: 4.2 (3.5 - 6.5)

> Cortisol: 635 (110- 550)

> Magnesium, serum: 0.70 (0.65 - 1.050)

> Potassium: 3.9 (3.3-5.1)

> Vit B12: 219 (185 & above)

> Folate, serum: 41 ( >12.9)(greater than 12.9 is ok?)

> Copper, serum: 186.5 (clinical reference value, max: 140ug/100ml)

>

> Thanks,

>

January 23, 2012

, Nutri Adrenal is a vitamin/mineral supplement, it is not a

drug. Wouldn't they allow this into the country? Is there nobody in Australia

who could send it out to you in an unmarked box as a 'birthday' present or

something?

iron: 11.7 (ref range 9.0 - 26.0) FAR too low

(probably one of the reasons you are feeling so tired. You need to start taking

some iron supplements quickly. Can you get Ferrous Sulphate, Ferrous Fumerate,

Ferrous Glutamate, Spatone, Bluebonnet iron where you are, or from Internet

Pharmacies . You need high doses to get your iron level raised. This is

VERY important.

ferritin: 58 (10-120?- hard to make out on page)

Ferritin level should be over 90, but the iron supplements should hopefully

take care of this.

Free t4: 13.5 (9.0 - 25) Too low - this should be

above the middle of the range for those not taking thyroid hormone and in the

upper third of the reference range for those who are taking thyroid hormone.

Free T3: 4.2 (3.5 - 6.5) - this too is too low.

Free T3 should always be in the upper third of the reference range.

Magnesium, serum: 0.70 (0.65 - 1.050) Too low,

start taking 500mgs magnesium citrate daily.

Potassium: 3.9 (3.3-5.1) Too low, you can buy

potassium supplements at a local pharmacy quite cheaply and you should take

these. Eat lots of tomatoes, banana's and check foods in Google that are high

in potassium. This can be dangerous if it drops too low.

Vit B12: 219 (185 & above) This could be the

biggest culprit of all, this must be supplemented until it is right at the top

of the range, which is somewhere around 750/800 mark. Take B12 1000mgs

sublingual twice daily until your levels start to rise.

Folate, serum: 41 ( >12.9)(greater than 12.9 is ok?)

Folate is too low. You can get 400/800mcg tablets from most Internet

pharmacies.

Hope these help .

Good luck

Luv - Sheila

January 23, 2012

Hi and thanks so much for replying! I'm not on any meds at all, just

vit/mineral supplements which I have only just started since the tests - does

that make a difference(you mention what the T3/T4 should be is on meds?). Does

having a low T3/T4 mean I am hypo even if the TSH is 1.62? Still confused about

how it all works.

Re ferritin... I am taking an iron supplement which has 310mg iron, along with

350ug folic acid - does this cover my ferritin requirements?

My B complex has 50mcg of B12 - does this seem enough to build up my stores,

given I am a long way off your recommended 800? If that's not enough, can you

let me know what I should be on so I can get a B12 to supplement the B complex?

You mention sublingual B12 - is this just a tab you leave under the tongue?!

Excuse my ignorance!

How can I up my T3 & T4? Is this where I need meds? I was told I was not hypo

because the TSH was fine, but I'm clearly not ok.

I'm going to try seeing a dr here in Brunei to see if I can get any further - at

least I am armed with a batch of test results and recommendations from you, and

from Sheila and Jot, a few weeks ago, about where in the range I should really

be.

If you could answer these further questions I'd be really grateful - thanks for

your time!

Cheers,

>

> , the B12 needs to be nearer to 800 than bumping along at the bottom of

the range..... In Japan they would treat you at 600!!

>

> The free T3 and Free T4 are both too low, if you are on meds you want them in

the top third of the range, so your T4 needs to be over 20 given the 9-25

reference range.... and the t3 needs to be over 5.5.....

>

> The ferritin in too low as well..... needs to be at least 70.

>

> If you have too little t3, too little iron and too little B12 tiredness is

pretty much guaranteed.....

>

> I think you need some iron, some B12 (sublingual) and to up the meds....

>

January 23, 2012

hello lisa,

the copper seems to be very high but it may be bio-unavailable:

" What is biounavailable copper? In this very common situation, copper is

present in excess in the body, but it cannot be utilized well. The reason it

occurs is that minerals such as copper must be bound and transported within the

body.

Biounavailability often occurs due to a deficiency of the copper-binding

proteins, ceruloplasmin or metallothionein. Without sufficient binding

proteins, unbound copper may circulate freely in the body, where it may

accumulate primarily in the liver, brain and female organs.

When copper is biounavailable, one may have symptoms of both copper toxicity and

copper deficiency. Copper toxicity and biounavailability are seen most often.

These occur almost always in people who are in the state called slow oxidation.

As stated earlier, copper deficiency occurs most often in people who are in the

state called fast oxidation. This article uses the words copper imbalance when

more than one of the three types of copper problems are possible.

COPPER AND THE BLOOD

One of the most common symptoms of biounavailabe copper or a frank copper

deficiency is an anemia that appears identical to iron deficiency anemia. Those

most affected are young adult women, and sometimes children. Vegetarians also

tend to have too much and biounavailable copper and may be affected.

Signs. It is usually a mild, microcytic, microchromic anemia on blood exams.

Mechanism. Copper is required to change the form of iron from ferric to ferrous

and back again, and is required to incorporate iron into hemoglobin. When

copper is not available in sufficient amounts, usually due to adrenal

insufficiency, iron is not incorporated into the hemoglobin well enough,

resulting in a mild anemia.

Few doctors are aware of this cause for anemia. As a result, most physicians

make the mistake of giving supplemental iron for this condition, which may work

a little, but makes the patient much worse in terms of overall health. Iron can

boost the adrenals and make copper a little more available, reducing the anemia.

However, iron is irritating to the intestines and iron overload is very common

today. For more on this, read Chronic Acquired Iron Overload on this website "

http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm

copper imbalance may be the reason your iron profile is too low ...saturation

needs to be a minimum of 25% i believe and preferably around 35%.

i think your b12 needs to be much higher ...sometimes high folate can mask a b12

deficiency and your folate seems highish ...do you take folic acid? some people

have trouble converting folic acid to the active form. (apparently it's not a

good idea to take vit c at the same time as b12).

magnesium is also only just above the bottom of the range ...can you go swimming

in the sea where you are currently?

the other thing showing high was the cortisol but i don't think the blood test

is considered to be particularly useful.

have you tried charting your temperatures ..that should give valuable feedback

about your adrenal status

http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

trish

(ps: did you have sodium done? that needs to be in good relationship with

potassium)

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> Apologies in advance for a long, dreary post. I've just had the results back

from the further vit tests I had taken in Dec... like the TSH etc they all seem

fine - this is a good thing of course, but it's leaving me quite depressed as I

just don't know what to do next... if all the tests say I'm ok, whay am I

getting all these hypo symptoms? I think I need to address the adrenal issue,

but as I am now living in Asia I cannot get the Nutri Adrenal shipped to me, as

customs won't let it through... so I have to order it to be delivered to Aus

which means I can't collect till June, and will not be able to start taking it

till then.

January 23, 2012