People accused of abuse/neglect/Munchausen Syndrome

[Guest guest]

Something you all need to be aware of that I just found out about - this is

serious and going on more frequently than I ever imagined....

This is from Barbara - she will not be able to respond personally to

posts

for some time. Their NCADRC website should be & more information will be

available

re false allegations generally and how to find educated defenders against

them (well, mostly in the USA currently).

Barbara says " Also, I wish, some people may be able to attend the

Conference which,

this year, has no presenter specifically addressing vaccine injury as port of

entry to child " protection's " hostage care, but we may have one or more

breakout sessions on MSbP as the label most often attached to

mothers/caretakers whose child/ren have confusing symptoms (such as emerge

from the adverse reactions). "

**********

From Barbara......(I have posted portions of her conversation with me that

I feel are enlightening to us all about this issue...

Having been involved with false allegations of child abuse/neglect,

originating with a required repeat MMR for one son in summer of 1983 which,

since I was a " good mother " and assumed they all needed it, felled my three

sons for months, my heart is absolutely with those who share what they learn

with parents of prospective guinea pigs and the unaware.

Likewise, I am totally aware that messengers get killed and, quite

truthfully, children are removed and, if not : " placed " with the falsely

accusing noncustodial parent, very well may be adopted out (and states in USA

gain extra $$$ for so doing under appropriations in a five-year Adoption 2002

bill).

There is currently nothing quite like the confusion of an adverse vaccine

reaction or wrongly prescribed drug's adverse reaction (unto death in some

sad cases, or permanent brain damage in others) to set up a mother to be

nailed with a " diagnosis " of the mythical Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy and

other F.I.B.S. ( " factitious illness by suspicion, " as I've coined). You

already know that the medical community and public, certainly " in general, "

do NOT appreciate hearing there may be any concerns with wholesale

administrations of vaccines.

So, that is how I came to this interest beginning in 1983. To say I

had never left it would be an understatement. To the best of my knowledge I

am the only person worldwide who attends her state's (Virginia, USA in my

case) Social Services State Board meetings since attending my first and

making " public comment " which I continue to do. That way I have learned

funding streams, the latest programs and plans, how states torque available

funding with " revenue enhancement, " etc. My long-term experience (although I

probably could have predicted it if I had none) allowed me to instantly

note--when I heard about federal $$$ for Adoption 2002--that it would

accomplish precisely the opposite of its stated purpose:

The purpose stated for ASFA (USA - federal law Nov. 97: the Adoption

and Safe Families Act, which put the " safety " of children ahead of any

natural family ties) and for the combined CIP (Court Improvement Project each

state had to enact to meld with ASFA) was to find " forever homes " (officially

" permanency placement " ) for most of the roughly half million children

" languishing " in foster (sometimes I prefer " hostage " ) care. Well, duh, what

with the extra $$$ available, it was no time before the pros, expressing

surprise, could not help admitting that, jeepers, there were MORE children

coming into foster care. Which, of course, meant the states would be

eligible for MORE $$$ once they processed children through foster care and

adopted them out of same.

To say the VERY least, this situation gave rise to growing numbers of

children, esp. adoptable/marketable babies, being taken and NEVER considered

for temp. placement with grandparents or aunts and uncles except in rare and

blessed instances. At the base of SO many of the problems have been such

(eventually) discoverable problems as gene-based, drug and/or vaccine adverse

reactions. Doctors and caseworkers (who have their own folie a deux, NOT

mothers with doctors as the Munch Myth goes !) can truthfully say " We've

never seen signs or symptoms like this before. " Of course, closing their

eyes to prior health histories and documented adverse reactions help them to

say that.

Some sites with info...

http://hometown.aol.com/ohnoapr/myhomepage/index.html

http://www.access1.net/gtmail/

http://www.jps.net/tumnus/karenanderson/

http://www.famvi.com/index.html

http://www.mjbovo.com/AbuseLinks.htm#nine

http://www.wrongfullyaccused.org/

http://www.the-facts.com/

http://www.shadow-net.com/

http://www.firedocs.com/familyjustice/index.shtml

http://www.fathermag.com/news/1790-fake-rape.shtml

ALSO sometimes truths are not told.....

While I could not stress enough that as a mother I am heart and

incensed when children are taken from mothers, I also care more for truth in

the false allegations, many of which are laid at the feet of therapists and

" sex-abuse validators " who have one job or no pay. There are too many

fathers behind bars or forever without their children because someone misused

reporting of alleged molestation--or " accepted " the word of a validating

" expert " or hired that person primarily to CREATE such a report--to take too

swiftly any claim of the same ...

......Some of the people who share these stories, if one comes to

know others

in their lives and gain a fuller picture, totally and absolutely BELIEVE what

they are saying so that they, like the younger children who repeat " stories "

which are provably not so, are not altogether " lying " in the sense of intent

anyway.

In telling the mother yesterday about my concern for a double whammy,

her tenuous battle to be free of an MSbP label far from over, I tried to be

clear that NCADRC deals with attorneys and others handling FALSE ALLEGATIONS

of child abuse or neglect so that we are not usually able to deal with those

which are apparently valid when, all things considered, we find ourselves at

cross concerns if not purposes (re justice).

Barbara

Barbara , Communications Director, NCADRC

P. O. Box 8323, Roanoke, Virginia 24014 USA

540/345-1952; Fx: 540/345-1899; Email: BH@...

(National Child Abuse Defense & Resource Center;

Toledo, Ohio-based: 419/865-0513; Fax: 419/865-0526

website: www.falseallegation.com) (Re: MSbP, see also:

www.stop-abuse.org, click on " Plugs " at Press material)

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA 95959

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

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[Guest guest]

sheri

I also think that these prosecutions are on the rise. You may recall my

feeble attempt early this year to get NVIC (Barbara Loe Fischer) to take

the lead on this problem. This problem with Shaken baby, and all the

other false accusations from drugs/vaccines really requires the resourses

of a national org. It's just too big for us. Preferably, if we could

attract a name lawyer of doctor.

I'm not a lawyer. But maybe we could try to establish state criminal

court guidelines, making prosecutions based solely upon medical evidence

common to medication/vaccine adverse effects to be insufficient to bring

criminal charges. The other thing is to review past cases in which

medical effects were not considered as a defense. Maybe this is just a

pipe dream?

gary

On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:17:02 -0700 Sheri Nakken <snakken@...>

writes:

> Something you all need to be aware of that I just found out about -

> this is

> serious and going on more frequently than I ever imagined....

>

> This is from Barbara - she will not be able to respond

> personally to

> posts

> for some time. Their NCADRC website should be & more information

> will be

> available

> re false allegations generally and how to find educated defenders

> against

> them (well, mostly in the USA currently).

>

> Barbara says " Also, I wish, some people may be able to attend

> the

> Conference which,

> this year, has no presenter specifically addressing vaccine injury

> as port of

> entry to child " protection's " hostage care, but we may have one or

> more

> breakout sessions on MSbP as the label most often attached to

> mothers/caretakers whose child/ren have confusing symptoms (such as

> emerge

> from the adverse reactions). "

> **********

> From Barbara......(I have posted portions of her conversation with

> me that

> I feel are enlightening to us all about this issue...

>

>

> Having been involved with false allegations of child

> abuse/neglect,

> originating with a required repeat MMR for one son in summer of 1983

> which,

> since I was a " good mother " and assumed they all needed it, felled

> my three

> sons for months, my heart is absolutely with those who share what

> they learn

> with parents of prospective guinea pigs and the unaware.

>

> Likewise, I am totally aware that messengers get killed and,

> quite

> truthfully, children are removed and, if not : " placed " with the

> falsely

> accusing noncustodial parent, very well may be adopted out (and

> states in USA

> gain extra $$$ for so doing under appropriations in a five-year

> Adoption 2002

> bill).

>

> There is currently nothing quite like the confusion of an

> adverse vaccine

> reaction or wrongly prescribed drug's adverse reaction (unto death

> in some

> sad cases, or permanent brain damage in others) to set up a mother

> to be

> nailed with a " diagnosis " of the mythical Munchausen Syndrome by

> Proxy and

> other F.I.B.S. ( " factitious illness by suspicion, " as I've coined).

> You

> already know that the medical community and public, certainly " in

> general, "

> do NOT appreciate hearing there may be any concerns with wholesale

> administrations of vaccines.

>

> So, that is how I came to this interest beginning in 1983.

> To say I

> had never left it would be an understatement. To the best of my

> knowledge I

> am the only person worldwide who attends her state's (Virginia, USA

> in my

> case) Social Services State Board meetings since attending my first

> and

> making " public comment " which I continue to do. That way I have

> learned

> funding streams, the latest programs and plans, how states torque

> available

> funding with " revenue enhancement, " etc. My long-term experience

> (although I

> probably could have predicted it if I had none) allowed me to

> instantly

> note--when I heard about federal $$$ for Adoption 2002--that it

> would

> accomplish precisely the opposite of its stated purpose:

>

> The purpose stated for ASFA (USA - federal law Nov. 97: the

> Adoption

> and Safe Families Act, which put the " safety " of children ahead of

> any

> natural family ties) and for the combined CIP (Court Improvement

> Project each

> state had to enact to meld with ASFA) was to find " forever homes "

> (officially

> " permanency placement " ) for most of the roughly half million

> children

> " languishing " in foster (sometimes I prefer " hostage " ) care. Well,

> duh, what

> with the extra $$$ available, it was no time before the pros,

> expressing

> surprise, could not help admitting that, jeepers, there were MORE

> children

> coming into foster care. Which, of course, meant the states would

> be

> eligible for MORE $$$ once they processed children through foster

> care and

> adopted them out of same.

>

> To say the VERY least, this situation gave rise to growing

> numbers of

> children, esp. adoptable/marketable babies, being taken and NEVER

> considered

> for temp. placement with grandparents or aunts and uncles except in

> rare and

> blessed instances. At the base of SO many of the problems have been

> such

> (eventually) discoverable problems as gene-based, drug and/or

> vaccine adverse

> reactions. Doctors and caseworkers (who have their own folie a

> deux, NOT

> mothers with doctors as the Munch Myth goes !) can truthfully say

> " We've

> never seen signs or symptoms like this before. " Of course, closing

> their

> eyes to prior health histories and documented adverse reactions help

> them to

> say that.

>

> Some sites with info...

> http://hometown.aol.com/ohnoapr/myhomepage/index.html

>

> http://www.access1.net/gtmail/

>

> http://www.jps.net/tumnus/karenanderson/

>

> http://www.famvi.com/index.html

>

> http://www.mjbovo.com/AbuseLinks.htm#nine

>

> http://www.wrongfullyaccused.org/

>

> http://www.the-facts.com/

>

> http://www.shadow-net.com/

>

> http://www.firedocs.com/familyjustice/index.shtml

>

> http://www.fathermag.com/news/1790-fake-rape.shtml

>

>

> ALSO sometimes truths are not told.....

> While I could not stress enough that as a mother I am heart

> and

> incensed when children are taken from mothers, I also care more for

> truth in

> the false allegations, many of which are laid at the feet of

> therapists and

> " sex-abuse validators " who have one job or no pay. There are too

> many

> fathers behind bars or forever without their children because

> someone misused

> reporting of alleged molestation--or " accepted " the word of a

> validating

> " expert " or hired that person primarily to CREATE such a report--to

> take too

> swiftly any claim of the same ...

>

>

> ......Some of the people who share these stories, if one comes

> to

> know others

> in their lives and gain a fuller picture, totally and absolutely

> BELIEVE what

> they are saying so that they, like the younger children who repeat

> " stories "

> which are provably not so, are not altogether " lying " in the sense

> of intent

> anyway.

>

> In telling the mother yesterday about my concern for a double

> whammy,

> her tenuous battle to be free of an MSbP label far from over, I

> tried to be

> clear that NCADRC deals with attorneys and others handling FALSE

> ALLEGATIONS

> of child abuse or neglect so that we are not usually able to deal

> with those

> which are apparently valid when, all things considered, we find

> ourselves at

> cross concerns if not purposes (re justice).

>

> Barbara

>

> Barbara , Communications Director, NCADRC

> P. O. Box 8323, Roanoke, Virginia 24014 USA

> 540/345-1952; Fx: 540/345-1899; Email: BH@...

> (National Child Abuse Defense & Resource Center;

> Toledo, Ohio-based: 419/865-0513; Fax: 419/865-0526

> website: www.falseallegation.com) (Re: MSbP, see also:

> www.stop-abuse.org, click on " Plugs " at Press material)

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA 95959

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL

> ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO

> VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine

> Dangers

> Education, Homeopathic Education

> KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA

> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

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