RE: Re dr t hertoghe

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Hi

>I would like to know how I would deal with any problems with treatment with dr

H being so far?

if it was me, i'd email them or ring them -you go for follow ups every few

months, probably longer once treatment is stable?

>do you still see him?

i'm due to go back in a few months.

>I have suffered from anxiety all my life it has totally ruined any chance of a

normal existance,

have you done any of the hertoghe questionnaires?

>Im totaly alone as my daughter lives in the Canaries and Ive been seperated for

years and Im given up the will to carry on Im sick of people judging me thinking

Im lazy or dont want to work.

Who cares what others think about you? you don't have to justify anything to

anyone. None of their business. And don't give up hope; hope is the one thing

we have. You just need to get the right treatment.

>Do all dr insist on synthetic levo at first or do any put you on natural from

the begining.

Dr H put me on Erfa thyroid; i don't know if that means he will do that for all

patients, but in his book he seems to favour NDT. I cannnot speak for anyone

at the clinic.

You need to find someone who will help you with all of your hormonal problems.

If you feel that is Dr Hertoghe or one of his associates, then go there. if you

feel it's someone in spain or england, then go there but i hope you can get

treatment and feel well soon.

chris

[Guest guest]

feel free to email me if you have any questions; i cannot always reply in as

much detail as i'd like, but i'll do my best

Chris

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>

> feel free to email me if you have any questions; i cannot always reply in as

much detail as i'd like, but i'll do my best

>

> Chris

>

Thanks for your help, as Ive got the appointment here for Tues 10 Jan

think I will speak to this doc on the phone tomorrow to see what he sugests,

then I will have to make some decisions on where to go next. I have looked at

the questionaire by dr H, I will ring there clinic to get more info, depending

on what the doctor here sugests on the 10th. Thanks again.

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Hi

Dr

P is very clued up about hormones, panic attacks etc and so is Dr Skinner (both

medical advisers to TPA). When you get the results of all the tests you have

had done, post them here together with the reference range for each of the

tests done and we will help with their interpretation. Have you had either a 24

hour urine or 24 hour salivary adrenal profile done to check your levels of

cortisol and DHEA because with your anxiety attacks, low adrenal reserve could

be the cause. If you have not had this done, I would recommend the Genova

Diagnostics 24 hour salivary test - go here thyroid treatment/files/DISCOUNTS%20ON%20SUPPLEMENTS%20and%20TESTS/

and

scroll down the list to 'Genova Diagnostics' and follow the instructions there

to get your discount, and also, when ordering, tell them that Thyroid Patient

Advocacy is your practitioner. They will send the results direct to you, so

when you receive them, post them on the forum so we can help with their

interpretation. It also sounds as if you could be suffering with systemic

candidiasis with your craving for sugar. Genova test to see whether you have

Candida antibodies too, which might be a good idea. Below are many of the

associated conditions that go hand in hand with hypothyroidism that need to be

treated before thyroxine can work.

Thyroixine

is a mainly inactive thyroid hormone and it has to convert to the active

thyroid hormone T3. It is T3 that every cell in our body and brain need to make

them function. However, there is a large minority of us who are unable to

convert, so we need a prescription of some form of ~T3, either in combination

with thyroxine,, T3 alone, or natural thyroid extract. You need to be referred

to an endocrinologist who treats using T3 for those patients who don't do well

on thyroxine-only therapy and I will send you a list of such doctors.

The

main condition responsible for stopping thyroid hormone from working is, quite

simply, a patient’s thyroxine dose is too low because the doctor or

consultant refuses to increase it, because the serum thyroid function test

results appear OK. Sometimes, the thyroxine dose is too high, yet patients

still don't feel well. They continue to suffer. Some reasons for this:

They

may be suffering with low adrenal reserve. The production of T4, its conversion

to T3, and the receptor uptake requires a normal amount of adrenal hormones,

notably, of course, cortisone. (Excess cortisone can shut production down,

however.) This is what happens if the adrenals are not responding properly, and

provision of cortisone usually switches it on again. But sometimes it

doesn’t. If the illness has been going on for a long time, the

enzyme seems to fail. This conversion failure (inexplicably denied by

many endocrinologists) means the thyroxine builds up, unconverted. So it

doesn’t work, and T4 toxicosis results. This makes the patient feel quite

unwell, toxic, often with palpitations and chest pain. If provision of adrenal

support doesn’t remedy the situation, the final solution is the use of

the active thyroid hormone, already converted, T3 - either synthetic or

natural.

Then,

we have systemic candidiasis. This is where candida albicans, yeast, which

causes skin infections almost anywhere in the body, invades the lining of the

lower part of the small intestine and the large intestine. Here, the

candida sets up residence in the warmth and the dark, and demands to be

fed. Loving sugars and starches, candida can make you suffer terrible

sweet cravings. Candida can produce toxins which can cause very many

symptoms of exhaustion, headache, general illness, and which interfere with the

uptake of thyroid and adrenal treatment. Sometimes the levels - which we

usually test for - can be very high, and make successful treatment difficult to

achieve until adequately treated.

Then

there is receptor resistance which could be a culprit. Being hypothyroid

for some considerable time may mean the biochemical mechanisms which permit the

binding of T3 to the receptors, is downgraded - so the T3 won’t go

in. With slow build up of T3, with full adrenal support and adequate

vitamins and minerals, the receptors do come on line again. But this can

be quite a slow process, and care has to be taken to build the dose up

gradually.

And

then there are Food allergies. The most common food allergy is allergy to

gluten, the protein fraction of wheat. The antibody generated by the body, by a

process of molecular mimicry, cross reacts with the thyroperoxidase enzyme,

(which makes thyroxine) and shuts it down. So allergy to bread can make

you hypothyroid. There may be other food allergies with this kind of effect,

but information on these is scanty. Certainly allergic response to

certain foods can affect adrenal function and imperil thyroid production and

uptake.

Then

we have hormone imbalances. The whole of the endocrine system is linked; each

part of it needs the other parts to be operating normally to work

properly. An example of this we have seen already, with cortisone.

But another example is the operation of sex hormones. The imbalance that occurs

at the menopause with progesterone running down, and a relative dominance of

oestrogen is a further case in point – oestrogen dominance downgrades

production, transportation and uptake of thyroid hormones. This is why

hypothyroidism may first appear at the menopause; the symptoms ascribed to this

alone, which is then treated – often with extra oestrogen, making the

whole thing worse. Deficiency in progesterone most especially needs to be

dealt with, since it reverses oestrogen dominance, improves many menopausal

symptoms like sweats and mood swings, and reverses osteoporosis. Happily

natural progesterone cream is easily obtained: when used it has the added

benefit of helping to stabilise adrenal function.

Then,

we must never forget the possibility of mercury poisoning (through amalgam

fillings) - low levels of iron, transferring saturation%, ferritin, vitamin

B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc - all of which, if low,

stop the thyroid hormone from being utilised by the cells - these have to be

treated.

As

Dr Peatfield says " When you have been quite unwell for a long time, all

these problems have to be dealt with; and since each may affect the other, it

all has to be done rather carefully.

Contrary

to cherished beliefs by much of the medical establishment, the correction of a

thyroid deficiency state has a number of complexities and variables, which make

the treatment usually quite specific for each person. The balancing of

these variables is as much up to you as to your doctor – which is

why a check of morning, day and evening temperatures and pulse rates, together

with symptoms, good and bad, can be so helpful.

Do all dr insist on synthetic levo at first or

do any put you on natural from the begining. Warm wishes. Im on 4 grams of vit

C multi vit , q10 200mg x 3 day , douglas mercury formula 8 a day &

thyroxine 50 mcg drop to 25mcg 3 days up to 50mcg repeating this pattern until

see dr. Does anyone else suffer from hot flushes when eating or lying down at

night this has been going on for yrs not just menopause had my last period last

yr 2010, cant sleep from the arritmias pounding heart and heat. If anyone could

help with this I would be gratful, feels like I cant breath dont smoke or drink

alcohol. Warm wishes .

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