Re: Anyone take nutri adrenal extra? Reply for Sheila please

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Hi Sheila, thank you for your reply.

> Always before posting information such as this onto a public forum where

> there are thousands of members, you need to be sure of your facts - and this

> message has nothing to do with facts. Go back to your source of information

> and ask them to point you in the right direction to prove WHY they are

> useless. If this was the case, why is it that thousands of people in the UK

> alone are regaining better health after using them.

I personally recommended NAE and feel a lot better on them. I was put on them

about a year ago and have had some improvement. I am not an expert and trying,

probably like most people, my best to get healthly on my own and with the help

of this wonderful group. I am sorry if my original question was offence in any

way, I was deeply shocked and upset and turned to you guys in a moment of panic

for your thoughts.

I have been taking them

> daily as a 'maintenance dose' to keep my adrenals strong and healthy. We

> would NOT be advocating their use if they were bad.

I am comforted and reassured by this and shall continue to take them.

>

> I wonder, are you a member of the 'Hypothyroidism' group and got this

> information from there. > >

No Sheila, I am only a member of this group and one other who actually gave me

this incorrect information about the NAE and who I have now left. Rather than

comment any further here, (to do so would be wrong as you point out this is a

public site) if you like I am happy to email you the group name and the exact

comments made.

I am very ill and tried prevously (foolishly) to take NDT in my ignorance before

my cortisol levels were high enough. I am still desparately trying to get them

up and started exploring the option of taking more than 2 per day. This led me

to ask how many could be taken per day, and that is when I was given the bad

information - just to reiterate - it was not given by this site but one I have

now left.

A year ago my saliva test was-

post awakening 4.8 (range 12-22)

sample 2 4.2 (5 - 9)

sample 3 2.1 (3 - 7)

sample 4 0.1 (1 - 3)

DHEA

am 0.37 (0.4 - 1.47)

pm 0.23 (0.4 - 1.47)

and Vit D was 28 (51 -163)

My latest labs are-

Cortisol

sample 1 12.5 (12-22)

sample 2 2.7 (5-9)

sample 3 2.8 (3-7)

sample 4 0.1 (1 -3)

DHEA 3.7 (0.26 - 11)

Ferritin 28 (60 - 400)

Vit B 315 (211 - 911)

Folate 6.3 (3.4 - 17.5)

TSH 1.22 (0.27 - 4.2)

FT4 12.7 (12.0 - 22)

FT3 4.1 (3.1 - 6.8)

I currently take:-

before breakfast - 2 Thyro Complex

with breakfast

1 T- Convert

2 Adrenomax

2 Nutri Adrenal Extra

3 Nutri Thyroid

2 Co Q-10

1 vitamin D 1000iu

1 Ferrous Fumarate BP 210mg (approx 65 mg ferrous iron)

1 vit C 570mg slow release with bioflavinonids

with lunch

1 T-Convert

1 Adrenomax

1 Vitamin C 570mg slow release with bioflavinonids

1 Ferrous Fumarate BP 210mg (approx 65 mg ferrous iron)

1 B12

2 Ginkgo & Gingseng

1 Calcium & Vitamin D

1 Vitamin C 570mg slow release with bioflavinonids

thank you,

luv nikki

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Yes please Nikki -

let me know the name of the forum privately - send to [sheila@...]

I am very ill and tried prevously (foolishly)

to take NDT in my ignorance before my cortisol levels were high enough. I am

still desparately trying to get them up and started exploring the option of

taking more than 2 per day. This led me to ask how many could be taken per day,

and that is when I was given the bad information - just to reiterate - it was

not given by this site but one I have now left.

A year ago my saliva test was-

post awakening 4.8 (range 12-22) - This result was

very low. It should be at its highest at this time of the day to help you get

through the daily chores.

sample 2 4.2 (5 - 9) - again this was too low

sample 3 2.1 (3 - 7) - this one was outside the

bottom of the range

sample 4 0.1 (1 - 3) - this too was outside the

bottom of the range.

and Vit D was 28 (51 -163) - Ouch! This is VERY

VERY low.

My latest labs are-

Cortisol

sample 1 12.5 (12-22) - an improvement but still

too low

sample 2 2.7 (5-9) - Oh dear! even further below

the bottom of the range.

sample 3 2.8 (3-7) - no improvement here either

from last year

sample 4 0.1 (1 -3) - no improvement here either.

DHEA 3.7 (0.26 - 11) - this is very low and needs

supplementing

Ferritin 28 (60 - 400) - are you sure you have the

correct reference range here. This looks more like a reference range for a man.

For a women the reference range is somewhere within the region of 20 to 200.

However, 28 would still be right ab the bottom of the range and needs

supplementing with some form of elemental iron.

Vit B 315 (211 - 911) - Too low, B12 results should

be near to the top of the reference range, i.e. over 800 and your GP should be

treating this with either iron injections or with sublingual 1000mcgs B12 twice

or three times daily to start with.

Folate 6.3 (3.4 - 17.5) - This is too low. You need

800mcgs Folic Acid daily.

TSH 1.22 (0.27 - 4.2) - that is OK

FT4 12.7 (12.0 - 22) - this is just above the

bottom of the range and is too low. For those not taking thyroid hormone

replacement it should be above the middle of the ref. range, i.e. yours should

be somewhere in the region of 17 to 18,

FT3 4.1 (3.1 - 6.8) - this is too low. It should be

in the upper third of the reference range. Probably not making sufficient

thyroxine in the first place to convert to the active T3.

I currently take:-

before breakfast - 2 Thyro Complex

with breakfast

1 T- Convert OK

2 Adrenomax - OK

2 Nutri Adrenal Extra - you can increase this as mentioned

in my previous message

3 Nutri Thyroid - excellent

2 Co Q-10 - how much. You need to be taking at

least 100mgs daily, more if possible

1 vitamin D 1000iu - need a much higher dose, i.e.

5000iu. or morel

1 Ferrous Fumarate BP 210mg (approx 65 mg ferrous iron)

That's fine

1 vit C 570mg slow release with bioflavinonids -

increase this to 1000mgs

with lunch

1 T-Convert OK

1 Adrenomax -OK

1 Vitamin C 570mg slow release with bioflavinonids,

again, increase to 1000mgs

1 Ferrous Fumarate BP 210mg (approx 65 mg ferrous iron) That's fine

1 B12 - what is the dosage of the B12 and is this

sublingual?

2 Ginkgo & Gingseng - Fine

1 Calcium & Vitamin D - how much?

1 Vitamin C 570mg slow release with bioflavinonids

- increase this to 1000mgs.

Luv - Sheila

thank you,

luv nikki

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> Yes please Nikki - let me know the name of the forum privately - send to

> [sheila@...]

Will send it to you today Sheila..

> Cortisol

> sample 1 12.5 (12-22) - an improvement but still too low

> sample 2 2.7 (5-9) - Oh dear! even further below the bottom of the range.

I cant work out Sheila why it has raised a bit early morning and then drops even

lower in the day. I am thinking of taking more NAE or NA mid morning or lunch

time (not after 1 pm).

> DHEA 3.7 (0.26 - 11) - this is very low and needs supplementing

I will add DHEA. I have 25mg tabs in the house and I was taking one every other

day. Do you think this sufficient?

> Ferritin 28 (60 - 400) - are you sure you have the correct reference range

Maybe not - got the range form a very reluctant gp who really isnt very helpful.

(live in a very deprived area and have tried changing gps several times - I am

now too exhausted) I am trying to raise the ferritin myself to at least 75.

> Vit B 315 (211 - 911) - Too low, B12 results should be near to the top of the

reference range, i.e. over 800 and your GP should be treating this with either

iron injections or with sublingual 1000mcgs B12 twice or three times daily to

start with.

Again, GP thinks this is fine! I take B12 1000mcg per day - didnt know to take

it sublingual, so I shall take 3 under the tongue from now.

> Folate 6.3 (3.4 - 17.5) - This is too low. You need 800mcgs Folic Acid daily.

I will add 2 x 400 mcg daily.

> FT4 12.7 (12.0 - 22) - this is just above the bottom of the range and is too

low. For those not taking thyroid hormone replacement it should be above the

middle of the ref. range, i.e. yours should be somewhere in the region of 17 to

18.

> FT3 4.1 (3.1 - 6.8) - this is too low. It should be in the upper third of the

reference range. Probably not making sufficient thyroxine in the first place to

convert to the active T3.

Yes, I agree. I have nearly all the hypothyroid sypmtoms, sometimes so ill I am

confined to bed, and will take NDT or T3 when my adrenals are a lot better.

> I currently take:-

> before breakfast - 2 Thyro Complex

No comment from you here sheila, should I keep taking these, more or less?

> with breakfast

> 2 Nutri Adrenal Extra - you can increase this as mentioned in my previous

message

Yes I will. I will start adding another tablet every... 2 weeks?

> 2 Co Q-10 - how much. You need to be taking at least 100mgs daily, more if

possible

I take 2 x 60mgs.

> 1 vitamin D 1000iu - need a much higher dose, i.e. 5000iu. or more

Will increase straight away.

> 1 Ferrous Fumarate BP 210mg (approx 65 mg ferrous iron) That's fine

> 1 vit C 570mg slow release with bioflavinonids - increase this to 1000mgs

Will do.

> with lunch

> 1 Vitamin C 570mg slow release with bioflavinonids, again, increase to

1000mgs

Again will do.

> 1 B12 - what is the dosage of the B12 and is this sublingual?

> 1 Calcium & Vitamin D - how much?

Negligable Vit d 2.5mcg, really take it to up calcium levels. Calcuim 400mg.

> 1 Vitamin C 570mg slow release with bioflavinonids - increase this to 1000mgs.

Will do.

I cant thank you enough Sheila.

luv nikki

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> Cortisol

> sample 1 12.5 (12-22) - an improvement but still too low

> sample 2 2.7 (5-9) - Oh dear! even further below the bottom of the range.

I cant work out Sheila why it has raised a bit early morning and then drops

even lower in the day. I am thinking of taking more NAE or NA mid morning or

lunch time (not after 1 pm).

It should be near about in the middle of the reference range

first thing and yours is way too low. Increase your NAE by one tablet every 2

to 3 weeks until you feel improvements. Are you very tired and fatigued when

you wake up in a morning and find you are unable to 'get going'?

> DHEA 3.7 (0.26 - 11) - this is very low and needs supplementing

I will add DHEA. I have 25mg tabs in the house and I was taking one every other

day. Do you think this sufficient?

Yes, but don't be surprised if you don't feel any effect much

when you first start. Some people have to wait about 3 months before any good

effects become really noticeable, so don't give up.

> Vit B 315 (211 - 911) - Too low, B12 results should be near to the top of

the reference range, i.e. over 800 and your GP should be treating this with

either iron injections or with sublingual 1000mcgs B12 twice or three times

daily to start with.

Again, GP thinks this is fine! I take B12 1000mcg per day - didnt know to take

it sublingual, so I shall take 3 under the tongue from now.

What brand of B12 are you taking and check on the bottle that it

can be taken sublingually. Solgar do an excellent B23 - little pink tablets you

place under the tongue. Not everybody can take B12 orally.

> I currently take:-

> before breakfast - 2 Thyro Complex

No comment from you here sheila, should I keep taking these, more or less?

Yes

> with breakfast

> 2 Nutri Adrenal Extra - you can increase this as mentioned in my previous

message

Yes I will. I will start adding another tablet every... 2 weeks?

Might be better to take one tablet with breakfast and the second

tablet with lunch. Some people can feel a bit nauseous taking them all at once

and you must always take them with food. When you increase your dose with

another tablet add this one to your breakfast dose, and then next increase

after that too your lunch dose.

> 1 B12 - what is the dosage of the B12 and is this sublingual?

1000mcgs - Solgar brand is sublingual. You might start off with

1 twice daily to start to really boost your levels.

> 1 Calcium & Vitamin D - how much?

I cant thank you enough Sheila.

luv nikki

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> until you feel improvements. Are you very tired and fatigued when you wake up

in a morning and find you are unable to 'get going'?

Definately!! Some days I cant get out of bed at all, some days I manage to get

up about noon.

> > DHEA 3.7 (0.26 - 11) - this is very low and needs supplementing

> I will add DHEA. I have 25mg tabs in the house and I was taking one ever other

day. Do you think this sufficient?

> Yes, but don't be surprised if you don't feel any effect much when you first

start. Some people have to wait about 3 months before any good effects become

really noticeable, so don't give up.

Just wondering if I would be better off taking 7 keto dhea Sheila? (no

testosterone).

> What brand of B12 are you taking and check on the bottle that it can be taken

sublingually. Solgar do an excellent B23 - little pink tablets you place under

the tongue. Not everybody can take B12 orally.

Um,.. Healthspan B12 - doesnt say it can be taken sublingually. I probably need

to swap brands then to solgar.

Thank you again,

Luv Nikki