Candida

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In a message dated 6/17/99 4:10:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

philcome@... writes:

<< MGN3. I was intrigued that he mentions a test you can

do for candida with hydrogen peroxide. O >>

Phil, that's a dangerous thing to try. If Dave is the same one I

know, he's not a doctor.

[Guest guest]

I've just received an interesting email describing a new method whereby a

sample of blood is viewed on a video microscope and in cases of M.E. one can

*see* candida & undigested food particles etc. on the screen.

Details are on the web at

http://members.aol.com/MEwebsite/latest.html

The above was from Russ Barrett and forwarded to this list by Gail.

[Guest guest]

GAILRONDA@... wrote:

>

> From: GAILRONDA@...

>

> I've just received an interesting email describing a new method whereby a

> sample of blood is viewed on a video microscope and in cases of M.E. one can

> *see* candida & undigested food particles etc. on the screen.

This is called a Microscopy examination. It is not a brand new test,

but one that has been available for several years. Dr. Hyams, who

worked with Dr. Cheney at the Cheney Clinic administered the test to me

in Charlotte, N.C., three or four years ago. Not only was the test very

interesting, it confirmed chlamydia pneumoniae in my blood. I was able

to video tape my microscopy test. It's really quite unique.

[Guest guest]

Sorry folks, lots of questions these days as I am going for so much testing.

Just got back tests for intestinal candida and came back 3+ which is the

highest on their list. One doctor tells me " everyone has candida in their

gut, dont pay any attention to it, it has nothing to do with chronic

fatigue " and another one who seems to know more says that it is definitely

cited as either a cause or an effect of chronic fatigue and therefore it has

to be treated. He suggested the following treatment: cutting out all sugars,

yeast products, fruit and fruit juices, adding solgar multi billion

dophilous to my diet, and taking a beginning six week course of nystatin

(mycostatin) for fungus. he said to also add olive oil. There is another way

to do it with adding caprilic acid and garlic but he claims to prefer the

first way at the beginning. I want to get tested again but my local

equivalent of an HMO doctor here in Israel is the one who doesnt take

candida seriously in CFS and says that only thrush or vaginal candida should

be treated, all the others are normal.

Any feedback from people with info?

thanks

Judy

Re: Lentinan

> Hi -

> I took Shiitake mushroom extract in 1994-95 as part of

> my naturopathic healing program. These years were the

> best I've felt in the past decade, before I moved west

> and got much sicker! They're expensive but it's a

> good addition to your protocols, I think.

>

> Jennie

>

> --- Life Works <the_system2003@...> wrote:

> >

> > Lentinan is the active ingredient in Shiitake

> > mushrooms. it has good anti-cancer and anti-viral

> > activities....

> >

> > Ron

> >

> >

> > jschm111@... wrote:

> > There's a CFS study about to start here, which

> > consists of injections of

> > Lentinan. I believe it's a mushroom extract, but I

> > need to do some research.

> > Just curious if anyone has heard of it.

> >

> > Jim

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal

> > experiences with each other, not to give medical

> > advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

In my case getting rid of the candida was very important. It was the first

problem area my doc and I decided to go after. we also used te same

strategy; Nystatin to kill the yeast, good bacteria (probiotics), and a diet

similar to what prehistoric humans ate; (excluding fruit). Treating this is

an important step in treating CFS. With the exception of one medication that

helped; treating the yeast problem gave me the most dramatic improvements so

far in the way I feel; most notably with sleep and brainfog.

-

>>>st got back tests for intestinal candida and came back 3+ which is the

highest on their list. One doctor tells me " everyone has candida in their

gut, dont pay any attention to it, it has nothing to do with chronic

fatigue " and another one who seems to know more says that it is definitely

cited as either a cause or an effect of chronic fatigue and therefore it has

to be treated. He suggested the following treatment: cutting out all sugars,

yeast products, fruit and fruit juices, adding solgar multi billion

dophilous to my diet, and taking a beginning six week course of nystatin

(mycostatin) for fungus. he said to also add olive oil. There is another way

to do it with adding caprilic acid and garlic but he claims to prefer the

first way at the beginning. I want to get tested again but my local

equivalent of an HMO doctor here in Israel is the one who doesnt take

candida seriously in CFS and says that only thrush or vaginal candida should

be treated, all the others are normal.

Any feedback from people with info?

thanks

Judy

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Thanks for the feedback, I wonder though how long I will last on such a

diet, particularly as the kineseologist whom I am seeing also put me on a no

protein diet. Hence I am limited to vegetables (can you eat sweet veg such

as sweet potatoes, carrots etc.), rice crackers, whole grains, and, well,

that's about it...a bit limited I would say, no eggs, no dairy, no meat, no

poultry, no fish, all of which I could have with the candida diet but not

with the combination. I'm taking lots of supplements but again, hope that

soon I will be able to return to protein. Also waiting to hear from South

Africa about the possibility of rickettsia in my blood, if I have that and

have to go on antibiotics, I dont know what I will be able to do about the

Candida except watch my diet, and take probiotics, I dont know if the

antibiotics can be taken at the same time as the nystatin, will have to ask

if the problem comes up.

Thanks again,

Judy

Re:candida

> In my case getting rid of the candida was very important. It was the

first

> problem area my doc and I decided to go after. we also used te same

> strategy; Nystatin to kill the yeast, good bacteria (probiotics), and a

diet

> similar to what prehistoric humans ate; (excluding fruit). Treating this

is

> an important step in treating CFS. With the exception of one medication

that

> helped; treating the yeast problem gave me the most dramatic improvements

so

> far in the way I feel; most notably with sleep and brainfog.

> -

>

> >>>st got back tests for intestinal candida and came back 3+ which is the

> highest on their list. One doctor tells me " everyone has candida in their

> gut, dont pay any attention to it, it has nothing to do with chronic

> fatigue " and another one who seems to know more says that it is definitely

> cited as either a cause or an effect of chronic fatigue and therefore it

has

> to be treated. He suggested the following treatment: cutting out all

sugars,

> yeast products, fruit and fruit juices, adding solgar multi billion

> dophilous to my diet, and taking a beginning six week course of nystatin

> (mycostatin) for fungus. he said to also add olive oil. There is another

way

> to do it with adding caprilic acid and garlic but he claims to prefer the

> first way at the beginning. I want to get tested again but my local

> equivalent of an HMO doctor here in Israel is the one who doesnt take

> candida seriously in CFS and says that only thrush or vaginal candida

should

> be treated, all the others are normal.

> Any feedback from people with info?

> thanks

> Judy

>

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Judy,

If you had 3+ candida on a Great Smokies Lab test, they give you a report of

what they tested your yeast as being responsive to treatment with, and what

amounts to take. They use BOTH prescription drugs and natural herbs, etc.

C.

[Guest guest]

Dear , It wasnt the great smokies lab but a lab here in Israel and they

tested nothing other than the limits of what there was, not what it would

respond to. I will re-take the test in about six weeks after six weeks of

changed diet and five weeks of nystatin. Should I ask them if I should have

the type of testing you mentioned, bearing in mind that they may not do it

here?

Judy

Re: candida

>

> Judy,

> If you had 3+ candida on a Great Smokies Lab test, they give you a report

of

> what they tested your yeast as being responsive to treatment with, and

what

> amounts to take. They use BOTH prescription drugs and natural herbs, etc.

> C.

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Judy,

I think yeast plays a part. The times I've gotten rid of it I look & feel

much better!

Ellen

Re: Lentinan

>

>

> > Hi -

> > I took Shiitake mushroom extract in 1994-95 as part of

> > my naturopathic healing program. These years were the

> > best I've felt in the past decade, before I moved west

> > and got much sicker! They're expensive but it's a

> > good addition to your protocols, I think.

> >Ø×ýØ×ýØ×ýØ×ýØ×ýØ×ýØ×ýØ×ýØ×ýØ×ýe_system2003@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lentinan is the active ingredient in Shiitake

> > > mushrooms. it has good anti-cancer and anti-viral

> > > activities....

> > >

> > > Ron

> > >

> > >

> > > jschm111@... wrote:

> > > There's a CFS study about to start here, which

> > > consists of injections of

> > > Lentinan. I believe it's a mushroom extract, but I

> > > need to do some research.

> > > Just curious if anyone has heard of it.

> > >

> > > Jim

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > >

> > > This list is intended for patients to share personal

> > > experiences with each other, not to give medical

> > > advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> > > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > >

[Guest guest]

I think the acidophilus is supposed to control it. If

you have overgrowth you will need to kill it with

something else like garlic, caprylic acid or SF-722,

then control it with the good flora.

Good luck - Jennie F.

--- lbinujrsy@... wrote:

> I should have added this with my other post. Does

> acidophillus acutally kill

> yeast or just control it once you kill it with

> something else?

>

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Although I have been a vegetarian for most of the past 23 or so years, I

found that when I was pregnant (for better or worse) that I could not do it.

I didn't feel all that well either time, and couldn't eat enough to get the

protein requirements as a vegetarian. Shocked my whole family the first

time we went out to dinner and I ordered prime rib! Anyway, continue pay

attention to how you are feeling, and don't feel pressured to do it a

specific way. As much as possible try and eat whole foods, uncontaminated

by pesticides and other toxic substances. And don't worry yourself sick!

Not that you are..........

Sandy

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Candida

Thanks, Margaret!

I find I don't feel well if I DON't eat some sort of meat or animal protein

(i.e., eggs, fish, poultry or red meat). I wish I liked hummus but BLEK!!!

grosses me out, as well as tofu. I'm increasing the veggies, cutting way

down (almost nonexistent) carbs (pasta, bread, cereal, etc.) and I needt o

go tot he store and get more whole grain things, I didn't realize I could

have rice cakes and whole grains, so I need to pick up some stuff. The

challenge is that I'm pregnant, and need to eat something every few hours to

keep me from feeling yucky. I'm getting bored with the food already!

[Guest guest]

NO not rice cakes! Did your doctor tell you it was okay? They are

processed and they bind you up. I don't know if it is the same with you

but I don't have regular bowel movements. You should have 3 a day. I was

having maybe one every 3 days ... now I have one a day. Too much grain can

make your yeast bad too so don't be like me and change from carbs to all

grains. That was a bad thing. (smile) I was just like you ... and still

am... trying to find out what I can eat. It is a MAJOR lifestyle change but

you will like it in the long run. It will be SO good for your new baby.

Congrats! I wasn't as good when I was pregnant ... good thing you are

doing this now.

Blessings

Margaret White

"

Ives " <vaccinations >

<mives@... cc:

et> Subject: Candida

07/16/2001

07:03 AM

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Vaccinations

Thanks, Margaret!

I find I don't feel well if I DON't eat some sort of meat or animal protein

(i.e., eggs, fish, poultry or red meat). I wish I liked hummus but BLEK!!!

grosses me out, as well as tofu. I'm increasing the veggies, cutting way

down (almost nonexistent) carbs (pasta, bread, cereal, etc.) and I needt o

go tot he store and get more whole grain things, I didn't realize I could

have rice cakes and whole grains, so I need to pick up some stuff. The

challenge is that I'm pregnant, and need to eat something every few hours

to keep me from feeling yucky. I'm getting bored with the food already!

[Guest guest]

Hang in there . It probably IS from the yeast die off. Make sure

your doctor knows you are not regular because that is important when

getting rid of yeast. As I talk with you.... Makes me more intent on

calling my homeopath TODAY! You might feel bad now but you will feel so

much better in about a month. You will NEVER go back to eating the way you

did.

Keep up the strength!

Margaret White

"

Ives " <vaccinations >

<mives@... cc:

et> Subject: Candida

07/16/2001

01:06 PM

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Vaccinations

Margaret -

No - I think somebodyh else mentioned rice cakes, can't remember now.

Naturopath said sprouted grains are OK, some whole grains (need some

roughage in the diet to help clean up). 3 BM's per day! Probably not

since I was a baby! At one point I didn't have one for 10 days, that's

when I went to the Dr. and he diagnosed hypothyroid. I am not regular,

althoguh had been lately 1x/day until the last few days, haven't been

normal again, since changing diet at bit. Stomach's been a bit off and

achy, Naturopath said its from the yeast die-off.

>>NO not rice cakes! Did your doctor tell you it was okay? They are

processed and they bind you up. I don't know if it is the same with you

but I don't have regular bowel movements. You should have 3 a day. I was

having maybe one every 3 days ... now I have one a day. Too much grain can

make your yeast bad too so don't be like me and change from carbs to all

grains. That was a bad thing. (smile) I was just like you ... and still

am... trying to find out what I can eat. It is a MAJOR lifestyle change but

you will like it in the long run. It will be SO good for your new baby.

Congrats! I wasn't as good when I was pregnant ... good thing you are

doing this now.<<

[Guest guest]

Nil,

I am on a Candida program now....I am going to a DO who put me on a

program.....I'm taking Acidophilus, Nystatin, and Diacid Stem...plus a lot of

vitamins, herbs etc....He told me it would take 3 months to get

better....I've been on it 47 days....I also have to avoid sugars, yeasts and

caffeine. There are some other programs..I just found one yesterday...here

is the link but, I don't know much about it...

www.wholeapproach.com

Luann

> hi all!

> Has anybody taken Candida treatment ? Also do you know any active candida

> lists? Thanks.nil

>

>

[Guest guest]

What are glyconutrients? Thanks

Nil

Re: candida

| I had candida. I do not have it now.

| I took glyconutrients and improved my immune system and now it is gone.

| I got rid of it before my amalgams were removed.

| I am sure the glyo's had a lot to do with it.

[Guest guest]

Thanks.. I read that it would take about month time for each year of having

Candida. I think I had it for the last 10 years.Don't know what I will do..

Thanks for the link! Take care..

Nil

Re: candida

| Nil,

| I am on a Candida program now....I am going to a DO who put me on a

| program.....I'm taking Acidophilus, Nystatin, and Diacid Stem...plus a lot

of

| vitamins, herbs etc....He told me it would take 3 months to get

| better....I've been on it 47 days....I also have to avoid sugars, yeasts

and

| caffeine. There are some other programs..I just found one

yesterday...here

| is the link but, I don't know much about it...

|

| www.wholeapproach.com

|

| Luann

|

| > hi all!

| > Has anybody taken Candida treatment ? Also do you know any active

candida

| > lists? Thanks.nil

| >

| >

|

|

|

|

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the info...I'm not familiar with glyconutrients...where can I get

them and how long did it take you to get rid of your Candida? I am trying to

get rid of Candida now....been on a program for 47 days but, I'm not sure it

is the best option....

Thanks,

Luann

> ,

> I got rid of it fast with glyconutrients. It is possible to do.

> I was tested twice and the last time I did not have it.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nil,

Glyconutrients are sugars that our body can manufacturer and we cannot get

these from our food supple today.

They contain glucose and other sugars.

They can raise glutathoine as well as NKC.

I did very well on them and I used phytonutrients as well. I also take a yam

product that keeps my DHEA normal.

I got rid of my fibro in 6 months after I had it for 23 years. It has been

almost 5 years now without pain.

Re: candida

>

>

> | I had candida. I do not have it now.

> | I took glyconutrients and improved my immune system and now it is gone.

> | I got rid of it before my amalgams were removed.

> | I am sure the glyo's had a lot to do with it.

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much.. I would also like to hear about how to find them.

Nil

Re: candida

| Nil,

| Glyconutrients are sugars that our body can manufacturer and we cannot get

| these from our food supple today.

| They contain glucose and other sugars.

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

What supplement did you use for the " emotional thing " ? I have just learned that

the name for this is Frontal Lobe Disinhibition and I am bother by it from time

to time.

Beck

wrote:

> Here we go again with the emotional thing.

> I am sick of hearing this. When people have a mouthful of leaky mercury

> amalgams,metal crowns and root canals plus mycoplasma infections and others

> and they have the nerve to say it is emotional.

> They have a lot to learn and I am sick and tired of hearing this.

> What about the huge amount of mercury I just dumped from my brain. I suppose

> they will have an answer for that too.

> I think the emotional issue needs a break and so do people with fibro and

> chronic fatigue.

> They do not need this handle on them to deal with as well.

> If my fibro was emotional then why did it go away with the right

> supplements. I did not change anything in my life as far as emotional things

> go.

[Guest guest]

Beck,

I did not use anything for the emotional things as I do not consider this

illness emotional.

I used the optimal health plan from Mannatech and got rid of my fibro and

all symptoms for a short time until the mercury got the best of me and I

crashed.

There is a brain problem for sure and it is not emotional.

It is toxins,mercury and infection all in one and it is a wonder that we can

even function at all.

I had osteomylytis in all my mercury filled teeth and ostocronosis of the

jaw.

That was producing dangerous toxins.

My enzymes were severly inhibited so no wonder I had brain problems.

Re: candida

> Dear ,

>

> What supplement did you use for the " emotional thing " ? I have just

learned that the name for this is Frontal Lobe Disinhibition and I am bother

by it from time to time.

>

> Beck

>

> wrote:

>

> > Here we go again with the emotional thing.

> > I am sick of hearing this. When people have a mouthful of leaky mercury

> > amalgams,metal crowns and root canals plus mycoplasma infections and

others

> > and they have the nerve to say it is emotional.

> > They have a lot to learn and I am sick and tired of hearing this.

> > What about the huge amount of mercury I just dumped from my brain. I

suppose

> > they will have an answer for that too.

> > I think the emotional issue needs a break and so do people with fibro

and

> > chronic fatigue.

> > They do not need this handle on them to deal with as well.

> > If my fibro was emotional then why did it go away with the right

> > supplements. I did not change anything in my life as far as emotional

things

> > go.

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi! I just rejoined this group after being away for a while

(couldn't cope with the copious quantities of emails :@).

So I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but the best

thing I've ever found for getting rid of Candida is

10-undecenoic acid, which is made from castor beans. The

only source I know of is Thorne Products, Formula SF722.

Thorne Products are not sold direct to consumers, except

through two sources I know of: NEEDS, and www.DrZ.org (my

chiropractor and NAET practitioner, who is now shipping

stuff all over the world). Of course, you still need to do

a low-carb, yeast-free diet, and take other things like

probiotics with it. But I found the SF722 more effective

than Rx Nystatin.

--

el (andrea@...) - Nevada City, CA, USA

" ...wake now! Discover that you are the song that the

morning brings... "

[Guest guest]

And yet another opinion on candida from the Keep Hope Alive site

At least this one is cheap !

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Many of the earlier writers on systemic candida albican infection

have advised persons to avoid vinegar as it is a fermented food.

Persons were lead to believe that using vinegar might promote

candidiasis. In my opinion, these writers have erred on the side of

caution. Today, vinegar is sold in drug stores as a vaginal douche to

prevent and treat vaginal yeast infections. In fact, there are no

carbohydrates or sugar in vinegar to support the growth of candida

albicans and candida albicans prefer a neutral or alkaline pH to

replicate.

Vinegar, which is very acidic, creates a hostile pH environment that

suppresses candida albican activity. So why avoid vinegar? The only

reason anyone with candidiasis would want to avoid vinegar is if they

actually had an allergy to vinegar. Do such allergies exist? Acetic

acid, found in vinegar is part of the Kreb's cycle of acids needed

for the production of energy in our cells. Both acetic acid and

butyric acid are essential nutrients that support gastrointestinal

health and that of our individual cells. Both of these acids are

produced by friendly bifido bacteria in the large intestines, that

is, if you have friendly flora in your large intestines.

While most physicians have observed chronic yeast infections in

persons with either AIDS or cancer, there is a third and larger group

affected with candidiasis and those are the people with active HHV-6A

infection. It is the active HHV-6A infection that disregulates the

immune response in favor of TH2 cytokines that allows the candidiasis

condition to persist.

As we have reason to believe that vinegar will destroy HHV-6, A and B

strains, its benefits should be noticeable within a few weeks.

However, persons with candida overgrowth can expect a die-off effect

from consuming vinegar and may feel worse before they feel better.

Accordingly, start off with a small amount of vinegar and gradually

increase the dose and be sure to take an effective product like

ImmuPro to increase the glutathione levels and shift the immune

response in favor of the TH1 cytokines. This is the path to recovery.

The key to get rid of chronic candidiasis is to first effectively

treat HHV-6 infection.

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[Guest guest]

,

It's great to hear from you again! Nice to know you're still kicking!

Also great to be reminded that we are the song that the morning

brings. There have been a few morning when I've forgotten that!

Rich

> Hi! I just rejoined this group after being away for a while

> (couldn't cope with the copious quantities of emails :@).

>

> So I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but the best

> thing I've ever found for getting rid of Candida is

> 10-undecenoic acid, which is made from castor beans. The

> only source I know of is Thorne Products, Formula SF722.

> Thorne Products are not sold direct to consumers, except

> through two sources I know of: NEEDS, and www.DrZ.org (my

> chiropractor and NAET practitioner, who is now shipping

> stuff all over the world). Of course, you still need to do

> a low-carb, yeast-free diet, and take other things like

> probiotics with it. But I found the SF722 more effective

> than Rx Nystatin.

>

> --

>

> el (andrea@o...) - Nevada City, CA, USA

> " ...wake now! Discover that you are the song that the

> morning brings..

[Guest guest]

rvankon wrote:

> ,

>

> It's great to hear from you again! Nice to know you're still kicking!

> Also great to be reminded that we are the song that the morning

> brings. There have been a few morning when I've forgotten that!

>

> Rich

>

Thanks for the welcome, Rich! I didn't know if anyone would remember me :@)

I've been a bit better lately, I think due to increasing estrogen (bi-est)

supplementation, and adding

acetyl-l-carnitine to my regime.

Lemme tell ya, going through menopause on top of CFS/FM is a real doozy! But on

the bright side, so many of the menopausal symptoms are things I've had to deal

with for the last two decades, and

it's just a matter of degree (intensity, frequency, or duration). Compared to

my healthy friends who have had WHAMMO! experiences with menopausal symptoms, I

feel like CFS/FM has had me in

training for it!

--

el (andrea@...) - Nevada City, CA, USA

" ...wake now! Discover that you are the song that the morning brings... "