Re: Are vaccines ever appropriate?

[Guest guest]

Okay I ment hookers drug using abusing hookers.

Tick fever is contracted similar to Lymes disease.

[Guest guest]

<< I

> bet if there were an outbreak of polio people on this board would be going

> to get themselves and their children the shot.

Yes, even though " polio is only a plane ride

away " ! LOL

>>

I took a plane ride TO polio and neither my dd or I was *protected* by

recent polio vaccines.I was nervous at first,but I just could not change my

mine about vaccines despite the possible risks of infection had increased

tremendously. It comes down to making a choice and knowing it can turn out

bad,but feeling comfortable with that choice.sara

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/24/00 10:24:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

tomnrachel@... writes:

<<

Are you so healthy you wouldn't wear a condom if you were with a prostitute?

Yes an extreme example and I hope I did not offend you. But my point is

then, the chances of you getting AIDS or HEP B goes up greatly.

>>

I could also be raped at anytime,but you won't see me getting another hepB

vaccine or an AIDS vaccine when the time comes.If you are comfortable with

your choices about vaccinating due to increased risks that is great,but you

really shouldn't be suprised that everyone won't come to the same

conclusion.I thought I would,but ended up not vaccinating dd before our

trip.I am glad that I did not vaccinate her.No matter what the level of risk

is some people won't vaccinate and there is NOTHING wrong with that.Why do

you seem to find that unacceptable?

sara

[Guest guest]

I agree and my point in saying this was, we are fortunate at this point to

not have any of these things lingering. Yes there are many other things out

there but some of these diseases are as easy to catch as a cold. If there is

a measles outbreak the bacteria can linger in a single room for two hours

after the infected person has left, looking for a new host. So for me I

never say never. Those stats of measles don't sound good , as far as side

effects. It is funny because when we have our mind set on something and are

convinced, sometimes a situation arises and everything changes. My sister in

law is anti abortion but for some odd reason she is still getting the

rubella vaccine for her children.

[Guest guest]

RE: Are vaccines ever appropriate?

> Well what is really interesting is I don't think anyone is totally sure.

> When they first started doing Aids tests they could only detect in blood.

> Now they swab your mouth and it is a done deal. I don't buy the whole it

is

> difficult to contract. In theory all you would need is to kiss someone and

> have flossed to hard in the morning causing a small lesion on the gum

line.

>

>

>

AIDS not caused by HIV and curable with alternative medicine sites:

Rethinking AIDS http://www.virusmyth.com

Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/aids.html

HEAL - Health Education AIDS Liaison

HEAL is a not-for-profit, community based service organization founded in

New York City in 1982. Since 1985, HEAL's President Rev. Dr. Eliner

and HEAL's scientific advisor Dr. Buianouckas have made HEAL the

driving force for the international reevaluation of AIDS/HIV and HIV-based

treatments.

HEAL's worldwide commitment to providing life-saving and difficult-to-find

information and support to tens of thousands of people with AIDS related

needs has been well demonstrated. In fact, HEAL has developed an

international following inspiring the formation of many autonomous HEAL

groups thoughout the world with whom they happily share their name and logo.

HEAL (NYC) remains the number one source for comprehensive information on

the many effective, alternative, non-toxic, natural and holistic approaches

to recovering one's health and staying healthy if at risk.

HEAL - NY www.healaids.com

HEAL - San Francisco www.healsf.org

HEAL Los Angeles http://www.epcnet.com/heal

Shirley's Wellness page http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1158/AIDS.HTM

Null http://www.garynull.com/documents/topics/aids.htm

" He was one of my most dramatic recoveries with AIDS, and the reason I say

that is that he was the most far gone. He was in the absolute, end stage --

they have that wing in the hospital where they have given up on you. You can

smoke pot and do anything you want. They had given up on him. " -Dr Shulze,

who cured 16 from last stage full-blown AIDS.

http://home.online.no/~dusan/schulze/index.html

" It's my belief that the use of ozone in association with other

complementary therapies can convert AIDS from a uniformly terminal illness

to something that is chronically manageable, which is better than what

anyone else can offer at this point. " - -Dr. Pittman 1995

" Every single person in there (AIDS video) had a positive statement to say,

and instead of all those people being DEAD, they were all alive and well and

several were sero-converted from HIV positive to HIV negative. Now there is

not a SINGLE PERSON that they can bring forward who has been on THEIR

therapies, and I can bring home twelve hundred people who are alive and

well...........You've got a hundred thousand people getting money this

year -- five billion dollars -- to study an HIV virus. And we know more

about this virus than any substance in human history, and yet they cannot

help a single person with AIDS. " - Null

http://www.sumeria.net/health/garynu1.html

Tetrahedron http://www.tetrahedron.org/

International AIDS Journalism http://www.refuse-resist.com/iajr/

Deusberg http://WWW.DUESBERG.COM/

AIDS Quotes

None of the African AIDS diseases is new. Many common Third World diseases

are confused with AIDS even if they are not part of its official definition.

The WHO definition for African AIDS includes " slim disease, " a composite of

weight loss, diarrhoea, and fever, plus such conditions as persistent

coughing, skin problems, swollen lymph nodes and some opportunistic

infections like tuberculosis. This list reads like a summary of indigenous

African health problems. ----from " Inventing the AIDS Virus " by Prof.

Duesberg

" You've got a hundred thousand people getting money this year -- five

billion dollars -- to study an HIV virus. And we know more about this virus

than any substance in human history, and yet they cannot help a single

person with AIDS....Every single person in there (AIDS video) had a positive

statement to say, and instead of all those people being DEAD, they were all

alive and well and several were sero-converted from HIV positive to HIV

negative. Now there is not a SINGLE PERSON that they can bring forward who

has been on THEIR therapies, and I can bring home twelve hundred people who

are alive and well. " --- Null

" To cure AIDS, its a total life style change --- not a drug or a pill.

Natural healing can cure AIDS. But if you are looking for one special

anti-viral herb to solve this disease, you're as nuts as the doctors. How

stupid can these experts be (and the patients, too), to believe that a

single drug, a chemical on its lonesome, can cure a total body breakdown? We

don't need any more research money to cure AIDS. The answers exists already

thanks to the work of Dr. Schulze, who was not afraid to work with

dying patients. " ---Sam Biser http://www.newhealth.net/schulze/

" I have a large population of people who have chosen not to take any

antiretrovirals since I've been following them--since the very beginning...

They've watched all of their friends go on the antiviral bandwagon and die,

so they've chose to remain naive [to therapy] " . ---- I. Abrams, Prof.

of Clinical Medicine at UCSF

" Documents at the NCI in 1991 revealed that Maitake mushrooms were as

effective as the toxic killer drug AZT. Incredibly the NCI converted the

natural Maitaki extract into a sulphate and thus rendered it toxic. ...AZT

continues to make billions for Wellcome, while committing mass murder...GOD

offered the FDA an incentive in the form of a good job in heaven, but

withdrew the offer when he realised they were all destined to go to

Hell!. " -- Willner, M.D.

" AIDS (is) not infectious--but caused by recreational and anti-HIV

drugs. " --- H. Duesberg, Ph.D. is a professor of molecular and cell

biology at the University of California, Berkeley. http://WWW.DUESBERG.COM/

" The most toxic drug that has ever been licensed for long term consumption

in the free world. ... AZT is a prescription drug and according to the

manufacturer itself it causes symptoms that are indistinguishable from AIDS.

So I would say it is not arrogant for me to say that AZT is AIDS by

prescription. " - Dr Duesberg

" In 1993 about 200,000 HIV positive individuals received AZT..the

consumption of AZT by HIV positive individuals will, over time, destroy

their immune systems and produce AIDS. This is even acknowledged by

Wellcome...(it) will definitely fulfill the prophesy of the HIV/AIDS

hypothesis: HIV positive individuals who get AZT will get AIDS. " -

Deusberg & Yiamouyiannis, Ph.D.

The label on an AZT bottle from the Sigma Co. The AZT advisory on the label

reads: " TOXIC. Toxic by inhalation, in contact with skin and if swallowed.

Target organ(s): Blood bone marrow. If you feel unwell, seek medical advice

(show the label where possible). Wear suitable protective clothing. " Note

the skull and bones on the label; the indication for a deathly poison

(bottle contains only 100 mg, people with HIV are prescribed 500 to 1500 mg

a day).

" Recent studies have indicated that those who take AZT die up to a year

faster than those who do not take it, and Hedlund (AZT litigation lawyers)

claim: " I think that the overwhelming information is that AZT is deadly and

it just hurts people. " -Celia Farber

MYTH: HIV=AIDS=DEATH FACT: HIV does not invariably lead to AIDS and death.

The HIV hypthesis was adopted by the Centers for Disease Control and

Prevention as merely a surveillance tool. As of yet, HIV still remains to be

proven as a cause of any disease. HIV has not been proven to play a role in

immune suppression.

MYTH: HIV causes AIDS FACT: HIV has never been scientifically proven to be

the cause of AIDS. Data from the initial test group study of individuals who

tested for HIV back in 1985 shows that only 40-50% of persons diagnosed with

AIDS actually tested positive for HIV antibodies. The other 50-60% tested

negative even though they were given an AIDS diagnosis by their doctors.

" MYTH: AZT kills HIV and extends life expectancy FACT: AZT kills fast

growing cells irregardless of whether they are infected with HIV. AZT

attacks the immune system and causes the same symptoms attributed to AIDS

progression. (this applies to all the " anti-virals " : DDI, D4T, 3TC and DDC).

AZT is highly toxic and it kills cells randomly! The toxic effects of AZT

include anemia, muscle atrophy, nausea, lymphoma and bone marrow

cancer. " -HEAL SF http://www.healsf.org/related_sites.htm

" The list of celebrity AIDS patients who died on AZT for their belief in

medical authority includes ballet star Rudolf Nureyev, who died in 1993,

Randy Shilts, the author of the bestseller And the Band Played On, who died

in 1994 and many more. As a thoroughly politicized epidemic, AIDS began with

a falsehood and ended in tragedy. Virus hunters in the CDC­directed public

health movement first made the new syndrome appear contagious. Virus hunters

in the NIH­funded research establishment then blamed AIDS on a retrovirus.

And virus hunters in the NIH, CDC, FDA, and pharmaceutical industry

exploited the situation by resurrecting failed cancer chemotherapeutic drugs

for AIDS treatment. In the crisis atmosphere created by the CDC, which

allowed no time to think before acting, such toxic drugs as AZT, ddI, and

ddC could bypass the normal review procedures and achieve a sanctified

monopoly status. The final results have been an unnecessary death toll and

an artificially expanding AIDS epidemic. " - Deusberg

" At present, evidence exists showing that AZT causes " a significant

increased risk of death among the patients treated early " , that is, in

patients who commence treatment when asymptomatic. In other words, instead

of curing patients or prolonging life AZT shortens it. Furthermore, since

some of the clinical and laboratory manifestations of AZT toxicity mimic

AIDS, it is impossible to differentiate between AZT toxicity and AIDS.

*---By Eleni Papadopulos et al.

Name: Buddy Email: cajunmen@... Location: New Iberia, La. USA

Date: Sunday, 18 January 1998

Story: I was given AZT upon testing positive for HIV. At the time, I was

working and feeling well and healthy. My t-cell count was 224. After two

years of vomiting every morning before work, and severe headaches, I was

forced to quit working. My mental faculties were waning, loss of memory

mainly as AZT crosses the brain barrier. After quitting work, I developed

severe myopathy in my legs. I could scarcely walk as my legs grew thinner

and the muscles hurt from soreness as they had grown too small to support

me. Finally, I flushed my AZT down the toilet. I began a regimen of

vitamins, healthy diet, and started lifting weights. My health returned

quickly. My t-4 count continued sliding downward, but I felt much better. I

did no prescription drugs for two years, then began a cocktail of

zerit/epivir/crixivan. It worked. My t-4's increased from 21 to 282 in a

year. Undetectable viral load over that time also.

I work as a volunteer in an HIV clinic in Louisiana. It tears me up to see

90% of the patients being prescribed AZT or its evil twin Combovir. They are

being served up death and willingly swallow it out of ignorance. Even

pregnant mothers and babies. When will this nightmare end?

" AZT is toxic, it kills, and we are not being told that. It kills the immune

system, it kills healthy tissue. It certainly will kill them (medical

treatment), and more and more when you read obituaries. There are people who

would have been an aids case several years ago, but now they don't mention

aids, they will say things like liver failure, which is almost a key word

for AZT poisoning. Recently in Minneapolis the first gay politician,

Coyle died. He died of liver failure, and he had been on AZT therapy. He

never developed aids, AZT killed him before he had a chance to, and

interestingly another thing too is the diagnosis of being HIV positive which

to me would mean nothing at all, but psychologically it is very dangerous.

One person after another theirn health starts to fall apart as soon as they

hear they are positive, although in some cases they may have been positive

for years before they received this deadly diagnosis....if you or I were to

take AZT we would be lucky to make 3 or 5 years, and I am in excellent

health. I took, at least, the 3 most important studies to show AZT efficacy,

and I showed not only were they very sloppy and bad but it would be

completely fair to describe at least two of them as fraudulent and I have

held out a challenge to people who advocate AZT, I say show me one study,

just one single study, that clearly show benefits for AZT, research that

will stand up under scrutiny. Nobody will do this. A few cases they have

mentioned studies that are just simply ridiculous like one done by Pitzo

where he poisoned a few children with AZT and then he claimed it boosted

their IQ. About a quarter of the children died rather shortly, but he was so

excited by the fact that he thought their IQ's went up that he advocated

giving AZT to newborn babies. This is truly sick research, but I have found

from my studies that not only are their no proven benefits to AZT therapy,

but that it is deadly, and in fact right on the label of AZT they list such

things as hemotoxicity .what that means in plain English is that AZT poisons

the blood, and then it will say severe anaemia, and that means that it will

be so toxic to the blood that there will be a very serious shortage of red

blood cells. Now who on earth would want to take such a product, especially

as the benefits are based on research that is based on sloppyness and

cheating. " --- Lauritsen, Poison by Prescription

" WARNlNG: Retrovir (AZT) may be associated with hematologic toxicity (blood

poisoning) including granulocytopenia and severe anemia particularly in

patients with advanced human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) disease...

Prolonged use of Retrovir has been associated with symptomatic myopathy

similar to that produced by human Immunodeficiency virus...The full safety

and efficacy profile of Retrovir has not been defined, particularly in

regard to prolonged use in HIV-Infected individuals who have less advanced

disease:'------Glaxo-Wellcome, manufacturer of AZT

" The one thing I will go to my grave not understanding is why everyone was

so quick to accept everything the government said as truth. Especially the

central myth: The cause of AIDS is known. People cling to any certainty they

can find, even if it's false. "

Callen, author, AIDS activist (deceased)

" AIDS does not inevitably lead to death...It is very important to tell this

to people. Psychological factors are critical in supporting immune function.

If you suppress this psychological support by telling someone he is

condemned to die, your words alone will have condemned him:'----------Dr.

Luc Montagniet, discoverer of HIV

" Dr. ph Sonnabend, a pioneering AIDS researcher and founder of the AIDS

Medical Foundation, which became the American Foundation for AIDS Research

(AmFAR), walked out on the organization he had started primarily because he

refused to participate in what he saw as a terror campaign: 'The AIDS

Medical Foundation was sending out this press release saying nobody is safe,

everyone's going to get it. It was all just nonsense. I called them up and

said, do you know what Is going to happen as a result of what you are doing?

You're going to freak out heterosexual men, you are going to destroy

relationships and marriages. You are going to promote violence against gay

men.' People are going to say this is a plague and it's coming from gay men

and they are going to beat them up at random: All of which has come

true. " --------Celia Farber, SPIN Magazine

" The story of AIDS is deeply connected with the vicissitudes of the theory

that viruses cause cancer and the failure of the cancer research programme.

Verney-Elliot put it most acidly when he said: 'From the people who

didn't bring you the virus that causes cancer, It's the virus that doesn't

cause AIDS. " '------Jad , The HIV Myth

" Nobody wants to look at the facts about this...it's the most extraordinary

thing I've ever seen. I've sent countless letters to medical journals

pointing out the epidemiological discrepancies and they simply ignore them.

The fact is, this whole heterosexuaI AIDS thing is a hoax. " -------Dr. Gordon

, Emeritus Public Health Professor University of Glasgow

" A powerful hypothesis has to explain and predict. I ask you, what kind of

scientist continues to support a hypothesis that fails to explain and

predict We've been willing to turn immunology upside down, turn our

understanding of biology and disease agents upside-down and inside-out. The

virus theory has produced nothing. "

" I am not an agnostic. I am well convinced that HIV is harmless. " ----Dr.

Fablo Franchi, Infectious disease specialist

Poppers are a dangerous drug known to cause immune deficiency, anemia

strokes and lung damage, and are suspected of causing cancer. " ------

Lauritsen, research analyst, author, the AIDS War

" Sometimes we virologists have a virus in search of a disease. " ----Dr.

Gailo, HIV " co-discoverer "

" 'It's not even probable, let alone scientifically proven, that HIV causes

AIDS. If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific

documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at

least with a high probability. There are no such documents?'-------Dr. Kary

Mullis, Nobel Laureate

" If you think a virus Is the cause of AIDS, do a control without it. To do a

control is the first thing you teach undergraduates. But it hasn't been

done. The epidemiology of AIDS Is a pile of anecdotal stories selected to

fit the virus-AIDS hypothesis. People don't bother to check the details of

popular dogma or consensus views. " ---Dr. Duesberg, Member, National

Academy of ScIences

" HlV infection per se seems to entail little danger unless it is addressed

with anti-viral therapy?'----Tim Hand, PhD, Professor of Behavioral

Pharmacology

" The fact Is, am now convinced, AIDS Is not a disease at all-it is a

government program. " -----Tom Bethell, Hoover Institute researcher

" Considering that there is little scientific proof of the exact linkage of

HIV and AIDS is It ethical to prescribe AZT, a toxic chain terminator of DNA

developed 30 years ago as cancer chemotherapy, to 150,000 Americans-among

them pregnant women and newborn babies-as an anti-HIV drug? " ----Rep. 'GIl

Gutknecht, US House Of Representatives

" The orthodoxy will collapse because it flunks the practical tests. The AIDS

epidemic was a mirage. " ---Professor Hiram Caton, ethicist

HIV: Anyone Really Positive?

" People who receive gamma globulin shots for chickenpox, measles and

hepatitis could test positive for HIV even If they've never been infected.

The Food and Drug Administration says that a positive test could be caused

by antibodies found In most of Americas supply of gamma globulin.

Gam ma globulin is made from blood collected from thousands of donors and is

routinely given to millions of people each year as temporary protection

against many infectious diseases.

Dr. Zuck of the FDA's Blood and Blood Products Division says the

government didn't release the Information because 'we thought it would do

more harm than good " -----USA Today, October 2, 1987

" The techniques of the HIV test have not been standardized, and the

magnitude and the consequences of Inter-laboratory variations have not been

measured. Its results require interpretation, and the criteria for this

interpretation vary not only from lab to lab, but also from month to

month. " ----New England Journal of MedicIne, 317:238-241

" The test for the existence of antibodies against AIDS-associated virus is

not diagnostic for AIDS and AIDS-like diseases. Negative tests do not

exclude the possibility of contact or infection with the AIDS-associated

virus. Positive tests do not prove AIDS or pre-AIDS disease status nor that

these diseases will be acquired. " Manufacturer's statement In leaflet

accompanying Western Blot (HIV) test kit

· " The only way to distinguish between real reactions and cross-reactions Is

to use HIV isolation. All claims of HIV isolation are based on a set of

phenomena detected in tissue culture, none of which are isolation and none

of which are even specfity of the HIV antibody tests for HIV

infection. " ----Bio/Technology Journal, 11:696-707

'Electron microscopy reveals retrovirus-like particles in 90% of enlarged

lymph n odes from AIDS patients, but the identical particles can be found in

9O% of enlarged lymph nodes from patients who do not have AIDS and are not

at r!sk for developing AIDS. If the particles seen in lymph nodes from A!DS

patients are, as the AIDS experts assure us, HIV, what are the particles

seen in patients who are not at risk for AIDS? "

Dr. Valendar , Australian Broadcasting Commission program, 1994

" With public health officials and politicians thrashing out who should be

tested for HIV, the accuracy of the test Itself has been nearly Ignored. A

study last month by Congress's Office of Technology Assessment found that

HIV tests can be very inaccurate indeed. For groups at very low risk-people

who don't use IV drugs or have sex with gay or bi-sexual men-9 In 10

positive findings are called false positives, Indicating Infection where

none exists. " -----US News & World Report, November23, 1987

" HIV tests are notoriously unreliable in Africa. A 1994 study published in

the Journal of Infectious Diseases concluded that HIV tests were useless in

central Africa, where the microbes responsible for tuberculosis, malaria and

leprosy were so prevalent that they registered over 70% false

positive. " ----Sacramento Bee, October 30,1994

" In the September 4 issue of the Journal of the American Medical

Association, the CDC announced that a diagnosis of AIDS no longer requires

an HIV test. The government now considers you an AIDS carrier If you suffer

from any of the maladies on its new list of diseases indicative of AIDS,

including such relatively common infections as herpes simplex, tuberculosis,

Salmonellosis and a shockingly broad 'other bacterial infections. This broad

definition will lead to countless new AIDS diagnoses-whether C not the

person actually has AIDS.

A major problem with the new AIDS definition is that It ignores the man

environmental causes of immune suppression. Exposure to toxins, alcoholism,

heavy drug use or heavy antibiotic use all can cause onset the list of

" diseases " indicative of AIDS.

The CDC itself conceded In a stunning remark near the end of the JAMA

article that the new AIDS ground rules are highly suspect. 'The diagnostic

criteria accepted by the AIDS surveillance case definition should not be

interpreted as the standard of good medical practice; warned the

CDC. " -----Los Angeles Weekly, December 18, 1987

" The PCR detects at best single genes and most often, only bits of genes.

Your PCR finds two or three genetic fragments out of a possible dozen co

plete genes, this is not proof that you have all the genes (the whole

genome).

HIV experts admit that the majority of HIV genomes studied are incomplete;

they are defective and could never orchestrate the synthesis of a viral

particle. And even if all genomes were complete, basic virology teaches that

you can carry a whole retroviral genome around inside your cells all your

life without ever making a viral particle.

In 1992, in the only study of its type, French researchers found that the

agreement between the PCR and the antibody tests varied between

40-100%'-----Dr. Eleni Eleopulos, Royal Perth Hospital, Australia

" Cross-reactions with non-HIV antibodies have been documented In the

presence of the following: any other retroviruses besides HIV, the flu

vlrus, common cold virus, herpes simplex 2 virus, hepatitis B virus, all

Myco bacterium bacterial species (Including tuberculosis, leprosy, and M.

avium " MAC " ), vaccinations such as for flu or hepatitis B, pregnancy or

prior pregnancy, blood transfusions, hemophilia, blood clotting factor,

sperm, a highly oxidized physiological condition (associated with extensive

use a drugs or blood products), autoimmune disorders such as lupus and

rheumatoid arthritis; cancers such as multiple myeloma; alcohol hepatitis,

alcoholism, liver disease, naturally occuring antibodies such as antibodies

to carbohydrate, nuclear antigens, human T-cells, mitochondria, and cellular

actin; tape worms and other parasites; malaria, malnutrition, and other

conditions...in the general population, which the CDC estimates to have a

prevalence of HIV infection of 0.006%, using a test with a specificity of

99.9%, the result is that 94% of all positives will be false positives. "

, Continuum Magazine, April/May 1995

[Guest guest]

,

If you do not mind me asking what is your background? In other words what do

you do for a living? I am fairly new here and you seem knowledgeable. You do

not have to respond if you do not want to.

[Guest guest]

RE: Are vaccines ever appropriate?

> ,

>

> If you do not mind me asking what is your background? In other words what

do

> you do for a living? I am fairly new here and you seem knowledgeable. You

do

> not have to respond if you do not want to.

>

>

I am just a parent with an interest in the truth. I have done more farming

than anything else. Perhaps you would like me to be a scientist or doctor

so you could accept my comments more easily. We all have to make our own

mind up which scientists/doctors etc are telling the truth and combine that

with our own experience, common-sense/judgement and research.

A good way to judge a system is by its results not its PR. If you judge

allopathy it has only one type of drug, antibiotics, that has cured any

disease, which they nicked off the plants I believe. And the vaccine

stories are myths when you look into it, with the vaccine damage ignored or

suppressed.

The conflict of interest is unbelievable with the vaccine industry,

effectively, running the show. That should be enough to put anyone off in

itself. All medical doctors sell drugs and vaccines indirectly,and the

medical monopoly of which they are the soldiers directs the politicians to

write the laws---they have written one where it is illegal for anyone but an

allopath to treat cancer, and the vaccine companies are protected from

litigation, except in Ireland I think, where a million ££ case was awarded a

few years back. Here, UK, you may get £10,000 after years if you are lucky.

It costs about £100,000 a year to look after a severly damaged vaccine

victim, so I read.

[Guest guest]

Bravo! .

--gary

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:00:55 +0100 " " <whale@...>

writes:

>

> RE: Are vaccines ever appropriate?

>

>

> > Well what is really interesting is I don't think anyone is totally

> sure.

> > When they first started doing Aids tests they could only detect in

> blood.

> > Now they swab your mouth and it is a done deal. I don't buy the

> whole it

> is

> > difficult to contract. In theory all you would need is to kiss

> someone and

> > have flossed to hard in the morning causing a small lesion on the

> gum

> line.

> >

> >

> >

>

> AIDS not caused by HIV and curable with alternative medicine sites:

>

> Rethinking AIDS http://www.virusmyth.com

> Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/aids.html

> HEAL - Health Education AIDS Liaison

> HEAL is a not-for-profit, community based service organization

> founded in

> New York City in 1982. Since 1985, HEAL's President Rev. Dr.

> Eliner

> and HEAL's scientific advisor Dr. Buianouckas have made HEAL

> the

> driving force for the international reevaluation of AIDS/HIV and

> HIV-based

> treatments.

>

> HEAL's worldwide commitment to providing life-saving and

> difficult-to-find

> information and support to tens of thousands of people with AIDS

> related

> needs has been well demonstrated. In fact, HEAL has developed an

> international following inspiring the formation of many autonomous

> HEAL

> groups thoughout the world with whom they happily share their name

> and logo.

> HEAL (NYC) remains the number one source for comprehensive

> information on

> the many effective, alternative, non-toxic, natural and holistic

> approaches

> to recovering one's health and staying healthy if at risk.

>

> HEAL - NY www.healaids.com

> HEAL - San Francisco www.healsf.org

> HEAL Los Angeles http://www.epcnet.com/heal

> Shirley's Wellness page

> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1158/AIDS.HTM

> Null http://www.garynull.com/documents/topics/aids.htm

>

> " He was one of my most dramatic recoveries with AIDS, and the reason

> I say

> that is that he was the most far gone. He was in the absolute, end

> stage --

> they have that wing in the hospital where they have given up on you.

> You can

> smoke pot and do anything you want. They had given up on him. " -Dr

> Shulze,

> who cured 16 from last stage full-blown AIDS.

> http://home.online.no/~dusan/schulze/index.html

>

> " It's my belief that the use of ozone in association with other

> complementary therapies can convert AIDS from a uniformly terminal

> illness

> to something that is chronically manageable, which is better than

> what

> anyone else can offer at this point. " - -Dr. Pittman 1995

>

> " Every single person in there (AIDS video) had a positive statement

> to say,

> and instead of all those people being DEAD, they were all alive and

> well and

> several were sero-converted from HIV positive to HIV negative. Now

> there is

> not a SINGLE PERSON that they can bring forward who has been on THEIR

> therapies, and I can bring home twelve hundred people who are alive

> and

> well...........You've got a hundred thousand people getting money

> this

> year -- five billion dollars -- to study an HIV virus. And we know

> more

> about this virus than any substance in human history, and yet they

> cannot

> help a single person with AIDS. " - Null

> http://www.sumeria.net/health/garynu1.html

>

> Tetrahedron http://www.tetrahedron.org/

> International AIDS Journalism http://www.refuse-resist.com/iajr/

> Deusberg http://WWW.DUESBERG.COM/

>

>

> AIDS Quotes

>

> None of the African AIDS diseases is new. Many common Third World

> diseases

> are confused with AIDS even if they are not part of its official

> definition.

> The WHO definition for African AIDS includes " slim disease, " a

> composite of

> weight loss, diarrhoea, and fever, plus such conditions as persistent

> coughing, skin problems, swollen lymph nodes and some opportunistic

> infections like tuberculosis. This list reads like a summary of

> indigenous

> African health problems. ----from " Inventing the AIDS Virus " by Prof.

> Duesberg

>

> " You've got a hundred thousand people getting money this year -- five

> billion dollars -- to study an HIV virus. And we know more about

> this virus

> than any substance in human history, and yet they cannot help a

> single

> person with AIDS....Every single person in there (AIDS video) had a

> positive

> statement to say, and instead of all those people being DEAD, they

> were all

> alive and well and several were sero-converted from HIV positive to

> HIV

> negative. Now there is not a SINGLE PERSON that they can bring

> forward who

> has been on THEIR therapies, and I can bring home twelve hundred

> people who

> are alive and well. " --- Null

>

> " To cure AIDS, its a total life style change --- not a drug or a

> pill.

> Natural healing can cure AIDS. But if you are looking for one special

> anti-viral herb to solve this disease, you're as nuts as the

> doctors. How

> stupid can these experts be (and the patients, too), to believe that

> a

> single drug, a chemical on its lonesome, can cure a total body

> breakdown? We

> don't need any more research money to cure AIDS. The answers exists

> already

> thanks to the work of Dr. Schulze, who was not afraid to

> work with

> dying patients. " ---Sam Biser http://www.newhealth.net/schulze/

>

> " I have a large population of people who have chosen not to take any

> antiretrovirals since I've been following them--since the very

> beginning...

> They've watched all of their friends go on the antiviral bandwagon

> and die,

> so they've chose to remain naive [to therapy] " . ---- I.

> Abrams, Prof.

> of Clinical Medicine at UCSF

>

> " Documents at the NCI in 1991 revealed that Maitake mushrooms were as

> effective as the toxic killer drug AZT. Incredibly the NCI

> converted the

> natural Maitaki extract into a sulphate and thus rendered it toxic.

> ...AZT

> continues to make billions for Wellcome, while committing mass

> murder...GOD

> offered the FDA an incentive in the form of a good job in heaven, but

> withdrew the offer when he realised they were all destined to go to

> Hell!. " -- Willner, M.D.

>

> " AIDS (is) not infectious--but caused by recreational and anti-HIV

> drugs. " --- H. Duesberg, Ph.D. is a professor of molecular and

> cell

> biology at the University of California, Berkeley.

> http://WWW.DUESBERG.COM/

>

> " The most toxic drug that has ever been licensed for long term

> consumption

> in the free world. ... AZT is a prescription drug and according to

> the

> manufacturer itself it causes symptoms that are indistinguishable

> from AIDS.

> So I would say it is not arrogant for me to say that AZT is AIDS by

> prescription. " - Dr Duesberg

>

> " In 1993 about 200,000 HIV positive individuals received AZT..the

> consumption of AZT by HIV positive individuals will, over time,

> destroy

> their immune systems and produce AIDS. This is even acknowledged by

> Wellcome...(it) will definitely fulfill the prophesy of the HIV/AIDS

> hypothesis: HIV positive individuals who get AZT will get

> AIDS. " -

> Deusberg & Yiamouyiannis, Ph.D.

>

> The label on an AZT bottle from the Sigma Co. The AZT advisory on

> the label

> reads: " TOXIC. Toxic by inhalation, in contact with skin and if

> swallowed.

> Target organ(s): Blood bone marrow. If you feel unwell, seek medical

> advice

> (show the label where possible). Wear suitable protective clothing. "

> Note

> the skull and bones on the label; the indication for a deathly poison

> (bottle contains only 100 mg, people with HIV are prescribed 500 to

> 1500 mg

> a day).

>

> " Recent studies have indicated that those who take AZT die up to a

> year

> faster than those who do not take it, and Hedlund (AZT litigation

> lawyers)

> claim: " I think that the overwhelming information is that AZT is

> deadly and

> it just hurts people. " -Celia Farber

>

> MYTH: HIV=AIDS=DEATH FACT: HIV does not invariably lead to AIDS and

> death.

> The HIV hypthesis was adopted by the Centers for Disease Control and

> Prevention as merely a surveillance tool. As of yet, HIV still

> remains to be

> proven as a cause of any disease. HIV has not been proven to play a

> role in

> immune suppression.

>

> MYTH: HIV causes AIDS FACT: HIV has never been scientifically proven

> to be

> the cause of AIDS. Data from the initial test group study of

> individuals who

> tested for HIV back in 1985 shows that only 40-50% of persons

> diagnosed with

> AIDS actually tested positive for HIV antibodies. The other 50-60%

> tested

> negative even though they were given an AIDS diagnosis by their

> doctors.

>

> " MYTH: AZT kills HIV and extends life expectancy FACT: AZT kills fast

> growing cells irregardless of whether they are infected with HIV. AZT

> attacks the immune system and causes the same symptoms attributed to

> AIDS

> progression. (this applies to all the " anti-virals " : DDI, D4T, 3TC

> and DDC).

> AZT is highly toxic and it kills cells randomly! The toxic effects

> of AZT

> include anemia, muscle atrophy, nausea, lymphoma and bone marrow

> cancer. " -HEAL SF http://www.healsf.org/related_sites.htm

>

> " The list of celebrity AIDS patients who died on AZT for their

> belief in

> medical authority includes ballet star Rudolf Nureyev, who died in

> 1993,

> Randy Shilts, the author of the bestseller And the Band Played On,

> who died

> in 1994 and many more. As a thoroughly politicized epidemic, AIDS

> began with

> a falsehood and ended in tragedy. Virus hunters in the CDC­directed

> public

> health movement first made the new syndrome appear contagious. Virus

> hunters

> in the NIH­funded research establishment then blamed AIDS on a

> retrovirus.

> And virus hunters in the NIH, CDC, FDA, and pharmaceutical industry

> exploited the situation by resurrecting failed cancer

> chemotherapeutic drugs

> for AIDS treatment. In the crisis atmosphere created by the CDC,

> which

> allowed no time to think before acting, such toxic drugs as AZT,

> ddI, and

> ddC could bypass the normal review procedures and achieve a

> sanctified

> monopoly status. The final results have been an unnecessary death

> toll and

> an artificially expanding AIDS epidemic. " - Deusberg

>

> " At present, evidence exists showing that AZT causes " a significant

> increased risk of death among the patients treated early " , that is,

> in

> patients who commence treatment when asymptomatic. In other words,

> instead

> of curing patients or prolonging life AZT shortens it. Furthermore,

> since

> some of the clinical and laboratory manifestations of AZT toxicity

> mimic

> AIDS, it is impossible to differentiate between AZT toxicity and

> AIDS.

> *---By Eleni Papadopulos et al.

>

>

>

> Name: Buddy Email: cajunmen@... Location: New Iberia,

> La. USA

> Date: Sunday, 18 January 1998

>

> Story: I was given AZT upon testing positive for HIV. At the time, I

> was

> working and feeling well and healthy. My t-cell count was 224. After

> two

> years of vomiting every morning before work, and severe headaches, I

> was

> forced to quit working. My mental faculties were waning, loss of

> memory

> mainly as AZT crosses the brain barrier. After quitting work, I

> developed

> severe myopathy in my legs. I could scarcely walk as my legs grew

> thinner

> and the muscles hurt from soreness as they had grown too small to

> support

> me. Finally, I flushed my AZT down the toilet. I began a regimen of

> vitamins, healthy diet, and started lifting weights. My health

> returned

> quickly. My t-4 count continued sliding downward, but I felt much

> better. I

> did no prescription drugs for two years, then began a cocktail of

> zerit/epivir/crixivan. It worked. My t-4's increased from 21 to 282

> in a

> year. Undetectable viral load over that time also.

>

> I work as a volunteer in an HIV clinic in Louisiana. It tears me up

> to see

> 90% of the patients being prescribed AZT or its evil twin Combovir.

> They are

> being served up death and willingly swallow it out of ignorance. Even

> pregnant mothers and babies. When will this nightmare end?

>

> " AZT is toxic, it kills, and we are not being told that. It kills

> the immune

> system, it kills healthy tissue. It certainly will kill them (medical

> treatment), and more and more when you read obituaries. There are

> people who

> would have been an aids case several years ago, but now they don't

> mention

> aids, they will say things like liver failure, which is almost a key

> word

> for AZT poisoning. Recently in Minneapolis the first gay politician,

>

> Coyle died. He died of liver failure, and he had been on AZT

> therapy. He

> never developed aids, AZT killed him before he had a chance to, and

> interestingly another thing too is the diagnosis of being HIV

> positive which

> to me would mean nothing at all, but psychologically it is very

> dangerous.

> One person after another theirn health starts to fall apart as soon

> as they

> hear they are positive, although in some cases they may have been

> positive

> for years before they received this deadly diagnosis....if you or I

> were to

> take AZT we would be lucky to make 3 or 5 years, and I am in

> excellent

> health. I took, at least, the 3 most important studies to show AZT

> efficacy,

> and I showed not only were they very sloppy and bad but it would be

> completely fair to describe at least two of them as fraudulent and I

> have

> held out a challenge to people who advocate AZT, I say show me one

> study,

> just one single study, that clearly show benefits for AZT, research

> that

> will stand up under scrutiny. Nobody will do this. A few cases they

> have

> mentioned studies that are just simply ridiculous like one done by

> Pitzo

> where he poisoned a few children with AZT and then he claimed it

> boosted

> their IQ. About a quarter of the children died rather shortly, but

> he was so

> excited by the fact that he thought their IQ's went up that he

> advocated

> giving AZT to newborn babies. This is truly sick research, but I

> have found

> from my studies that not only are their no proven benefits to AZT

> therapy,

> but that it is deadly, and in fact right on the label of AZT they

> list such

> things as hemotoxicity .what that means in plain English is that AZT

> poisons

> the blood, and then it will say severe anaemia, and that means that

> it will

> be so toxic to the blood that there will be a very serious shortage

> of red

> blood cells. Now who on earth would want to take such a product,

> especially

> as the benefits are based on research that is based on sloppyness and

> cheating. " --- Lauritsen, Poison by Prescription

>

> " WARNlNG: Retrovir (AZT) may be associated with hematologic

> toxicity (blood

> poisoning) including granulocytopenia and severe anemia particularly

> in

> patients with advanced human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) disease...

> Prolonged use of Retrovir has been associated with symptomatic

> myopathy

> similar to that produced by human Immunodeficiency virus...The full

> safety

> and efficacy profile of Retrovir has not been defined, particularly

> in

> regard to prolonged use in HIV-Infected individuals who have less

> advanced

> disease:'------Glaxo-Wellcome, manufacturer of AZT

>

> " The one thing I will go to my grave not understanding is why

> everyone was

> so quick to accept everything the government said as truth.

> Especially the

> central myth: The cause of AIDS is known. People cling to any

> certainty they

> can find, even if it's false. "

>

> Callen, author, AIDS activist (deceased)

>

> " AIDS does not inevitably lead to death...It is very important to

> tell this

> to people. Psychological factors are critical in supporting immune

> function.

> If you suppress this psychological support by telling someone he is

> condemned to die, your words alone will have condemned

> him:'----------Dr.

> Luc Montagniet, discoverer of HIV

>

> " Dr. ph Sonnabend, a pioneering AIDS researcher and founder of

> the AIDS

> Medical Foundation, which became the American Foundation for AIDS

> Research

> (AmFAR), walked out on the organization he had started primarily

> because he

> refused to participate in what he saw as a terror campaign: 'The AIDS

> Medical Foundation was sending out this press release saying nobody

> is safe,

> everyone's going to get it. It was all just nonsense. I called them

> up and

> said, do you know what Is going to happen as a result of what you

> are doing?

> You're going to freak out heterosexual men, you are going to destroy

> relationships and marriages. You are going to promote violence

> against gay

> men.' People are going to say this is a plague and it's coming from

> gay men

> and they are going to beat them up at random: All of which has come

> true. " --------Celia Farber, SPIN Magazine

>

> " The story of AIDS is deeply connected with the vicissitudes of the

> theory

> that viruses cause cancer and the failure of the cancer research

> programme.

> Verney-Elliot put it most acidly when he said: 'From the

> people who

> didn't bring you the virus that causes cancer, It's the virus that

> doesn't

> cause AIDS. " '------Jad , The HIV Myth

>

> " Nobody wants to look at the facts about this...it's the most

> extraordinary

> thing I've ever seen. I've sent countless letters to medical journals

> pointing out the epidemiological discrepancies and they simply

> ignore them.

> The fact is, this whole heterosexuaI AIDS thing is a

> hoax. " -------Dr. Gordon

> , Emeritus Public Health Professor University of Glasgow

>

> " A powerful hypothesis has to explain and predict. I ask you, what

> kind of

> scientist continues to support a hypothesis that fails to explain and

> predict We've been willing to turn immunology upside down, turn our

> understanding of biology and disease agents upside-down and

> inside-out. The

> virus theory has produced nothing. "

>

> " I am not an agnostic. I am well convinced that HIV is

> harmless. " ----Dr.

> Fablo Franchi, Infectious disease specialist

>

> Poppers are a dangerous drug known to cause immune deficiency, anemia

> strokes and lung damage, and are suspected of causing

> cancer. " ------

> Lauritsen, research analyst, author, the AIDS War

>

> " Sometimes we virologists have a virus in search of a

> disease. " ----Dr.

> Gailo, HIV " co-discoverer "

>

> " 'It's not even probable, let alone scientifically proven, that HIV

> causes

> AIDS. If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be

> scientific

> documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact,

> at

> least with a high probability. There are no such

> documents?'-------Dr. Kary

> Mullis, Nobel Laureate

>

> " If you think a virus Is the cause of AIDS, do a control without it.

> To do a

> control is the first thing you teach undergraduates. But it hasn't

> been

> done. The epidemiology of AIDS Is a pile of anecdotal stories

> selected to

> fit the virus-AIDS hypothesis. People don't bother to check the

> details of

> popular dogma or consensus views. " ---Dr. Duesberg, Member,

> National

> Academy of ScIences

>

> " HlV infection per se seems to entail little danger unless it is

> addressed

> with anti-viral therapy?'----Tim Hand, PhD, Professor of Behavioral

> Pharmacology

>

> " The fact Is, am now convinced, AIDS Is not a disease at all-it is a

> government program. " -----Tom Bethell, Hoover Institute researcher

>

> " Considering that there is little scientific proof of the exact

> linkage of

> HIV and AIDS is It ethical to prescribe AZT, a toxic chain

> terminator of DNA

> developed 30 years ago as cancer chemotherapy, to 150,000

> Americans-among

> them pregnant women and newborn babies-as an anti-HIV drug? " ----Rep.

> 'GIl

> Gutknecht, US House Of Representatives

>

> " The orthodoxy will collapse because it flunks the practical tests.

> The AIDS

> epidemic was a mirage. " ---Professor Hiram Caton, ethicist

>

> HIV: Anyone Really Positive?

>

> " People who receive gamma globulin shots for chickenpox, measles and

> hepatitis could test positive for HIV even If they've never been

> infected.

> The Food and Drug Administration says that a positive test could be

> caused

> by antibodies found In most of Americas supply of gamma globulin.

>

> Gam ma globulin is made from blood collected from thousands of

> donors and is

> routinely given to millions of people each year as temporary

> protection

> against many infectious diseases.

>

> Dr. Zuck of the FDA's Blood and Blood Products Division says

> the

> government didn't release the Information because 'we thought it

> would do

> more harm than good " -----USA Today, October 2, 1987

>

> " The techniques of the HIV test have not been standardized, and the

> magnitude and the consequences of Inter-laboratory variations have

> not been

> measured. Its results require interpretation, and the criteria for

> this

> interpretation vary not only from lab to lab, but also from month to

> month. " ----New England Journal of MedicIne, 317:238-241

>

> " The test for the existence of antibodies against AIDS-associated

> virus is

> not diagnostic for AIDS and AIDS-like diseases. Negative tests do not

> exclude the possibility of contact or infection with the

> AIDS-associated

> virus. Positive tests do not prove AIDS or pre-AIDS disease status

> nor that

> these diseases will be acquired. " Manufacturer's statement In leaflet

> accompanying Western Blot (HIV) test kit

>

> · " The only way to distinguish between real reactions and

> cross-reactions Is

> to use HIV isolation. All claims of HIV isolation are based on a set

> of

> phenomena detected in tissue culture, none of which are isolation

> and none

> of which are even specfity of the HIV antibody tests for HIV

> infection. " ----Bio/Technology Journal, 11:696-707

>

> 'Electron microscopy reveals retrovirus-like particles in 90% of

> enlarged

> lymph n odes from AIDS patients, but the identical particles can be

> found in

> 9O% of enlarged lymph nodes from patients who do not have AIDS and

> are not

> at r!sk for developing AIDS. If the particles seen in lymph nodes

> from A!DS

> patients are, as the AIDS experts assure us, HIV, what are the

> particles

> seen in patients who are not at risk for AIDS? "

>

> Dr. Valendar , Australian Broadcasting Commission program, 1994

>

>

>

> " With public health officials and politicians thrashing out who

> should be

> tested for HIV, the accuracy of the test Itself has been nearly

> Ignored. A

> study last month by Congress's Office of Technology Assessment found

> that

> HIV tests can be very inaccurate indeed. For groups at very low

> risk-people

> who don't use IV drugs or have sex with gay or bi-sexual men-9 In 10

> positive findings are called false positives, Indicating Infection

> where

> none exists. " -----US News & World Report, November23, 1987

>

>

>

> " HIV tests are notoriously unreliable in Africa. A 1994 study

> published in

> the Journal of Infectious Diseases concluded that HIV tests were

> useless in

> central Africa, where the microbes responsible for tuberculosis,

> malaria and

> leprosy were so prevalent that they registered over 70% false

> positive. " ----Sacramento Bee, October 30,1994

>

> " In the September 4 issue of the Journal of the American Medical

> Association, the CDC announced that a diagnosis of AIDS no longer

> requires

> an HIV test. The government now considers you an AIDS carrier If you

> suffer

> from any of the maladies on its new list of diseases indicative of

> AIDS,

> including such relatively common infections as herpes simplex,

> tuberculosis,

> Salmonellosis and a shockingly broad 'other bacterial infections.

> This broad

> definition will lead to countless new AIDS diagnoses-whether C not

> the

> person actually has AIDS.

>

> A major problem with the new AIDS definition is that It ignores the

> man

> environmental causes of immune suppression. Exposure to toxins,

> alcoholism,

> heavy drug use or heavy antibiotic use all can cause onset the list

> of

> " diseases " indicative of AIDS.

>

> The CDC itself conceded In a stunning remark near the end of the JAMA

> article that the new AIDS ground rules are highly suspect. 'The

> diagnostic

> criteria accepted by the AIDS surveillance case definition should

> not be

> interpreted as the standard of good medical practice; warned the

> CDC. " -----Los Angeles Weekly, December 18, 1987

>

>

>

> " The PCR detects at best single genes and most often, only bits of

> genes.

> Your PCR finds two or three genetic fragments out of a possible

> dozen co

> plete genes, this is not proof that you have all the genes (the whole

> genome).

>

>

>

> HIV experts admit that the majority of HIV genomes studied are

> incomplete;

> they are defective and could never orchestrate the synthesis of a

> viral

> particle. And even if all genomes were complete, basic virology

> teaches that

> you can carry a whole retroviral genome around inside your cells all

> your

> life without ever making a viral particle.

>

> In 1992, in the only study of its type, French researchers found

> that the

> agreement between the PCR and the antibody tests varied between

> 40-100%'-----Dr. Eleni Eleopulos, Royal Perth Hospital, Australia

>

> " Cross-reactions with non-HIV antibodies have been documented In the

> presence of the following: any other retroviruses besides HIV, the

> flu

> vlrus, common cold virus, herpes simplex 2 virus, hepatitis B virus,

> all

> Myco bacterium bacterial species (Including tuberculosis, leprosy,

> and M.

> avium " MAC " ), vaccinations such as for flu or hepatitis B, pregnancy

> or

> prior pregnancy, blood transfusions, hemophilia, blood clotting

> factor,

> sperm, a highly oxidized physiological condition (associated with

> extensive

> use a drugs or blood products), autoimmune disorders such as lupus

> and

> rheumatoid arthritis; cancers such as multiple myeloma; alcohol

> hepatitis,

> alcoholism, liver disease, naturally occuring antibodies such as

> antibodies

> to carbohydrate, nuclear antigens, human T-cells, mitochondria, and

> cellular

> actin; tape worms and other parasites; malaria, malnutrition, and

> other

> conditions...in the general population, which the CDC estimates to

> have a

> prevalence of HIV infection of 0.006%, using a test with a

> specificity of

> 99.9%, the result is that 94% of all positives will be false

> positives. "

>

> , Continuum Magazine, April/May 1995

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I have found the same to be true, and have learned with time that my

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" We all have to make our own mind up which scientists/doctors etc are

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