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HIB info..

I have tons of information but a mom that I convinced not to vaccinate any more

is SOOOO afraid of her 3 month old getting rotovirus and whoooping cough and

all those things.. She is new to all this and she made the decision after all the

information I gave her to not do her new born after her two others have severe asthma and

allergies.

Anyway..She asked if I had any info on the HIB vaccine...I had tons of stuff

but she askes for specific things..and I didn't copy any of the HIB stuff.

THANKS for any info I can get for her.

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Thanks for the info..

HIB info..

I have tons of information but a mom that I convinced not to vaccinate any more

is SOOOO afraid of her 3 month old getting rotovirus and whoooping cough and

all those things.. She is new to all this and she made the decision after all the

information I gave her to not do her new born after her two others have severe asthma and

allergies.

Anyway..She asked if I had any info on the HIB vaccine...I had tons of stuff

but she askes for specific things..and I didn't copy any of the HIB stuff.

THANKS for any info I can get for her.

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Hib meningitis/vaccine

Haemophilus influenzae type b is a bacteria that causes upper respiratory

and

ear infections, pneumonia, epiglottis and meningitis.

Meningitis is an inflammation of membranes that cover the brain and spinal

cord (meninges). Symptoms may include: stiff neck, persistent headache,

vomiting, moaning, unexplained fever for 3-4 days (doesn't have to be high),

drowsiness, a rash, irritability and sensitivity to light; in infants they

may also include convulsions, bulging fontanels, and shrill cry (due to

headache).

Meningitis is caused by: bacteria (Hib, pneumococcus, and meningococcus),

viruses, and fungi. Hib meningitis can occur unexpectedly, but usually

occurs after another illness such as mumps. It most often affects

African-Americans and Native Americans, including Native Alaskans.

Formula-fed babies are more likely to contract meningitis of any kind. The

peak incidence is between 6 and 7 months of age. Over 50% of cases are in

children under the age of one. It was originally thought to be highly

contagious, but recent studies have shown that this is not the case---1/772

got it from close contact in a daycare setting in one study (1). Mendelsohn

writes that doctors are taught to identify meningitis in med school, but

don't often remember it for various reasons (2). If you suspect meningitis,

insist on all of the appropriate tests---this will include a spinal tap.

Wootan writes that after a febrile seizure doctors may insist on a spinal

tap

to "rule out" meningitis. He recommends you withhold permission for the

procedure unless you see other meningitis symptoms (your best judgement in

co-ordination with the doctors') (3).

Treatment: Needs to be treated promptly. Rush to a hospital for care. You

can give homeopathic apis mel. every 15 minutes on the way. Antibiotics are

given intraveneously. Duncan recommends insisting on IV vitamin C as

well.(4)

Outcome: With prompt care, full recovery from any bacterial meningitis is

likely. There is a 5% mortality rate (no one says how this was concluded).

Deafness and brain damage are also possible.

Prevention:

1. A strong immune system and a watchful eye. Maternal antibodies are

thought to provide protection for the first 6 months of life. Breastmilk

provides protection even longer.

2. immune globulins: taken from the plasma of vaccinated adults. Effective

for a short period of time and runs the usual risks of contamination as any

blood product.

3. Vaccination:

The Hib vaccine is often referred to as "the meningitis" vaccine. This is

inaccurate as any protection it offers is only for Hib meningitis. The Hib

vaccine is not able to affect other Hib illnesses.

The following is a summary taken from Mendelsohn (5) and (6).

The first Hib vaccine was licensed in 1985. This one is no longer in use,

but offers an excellent example of the problems with vaccine efficacy and

safety, and vaccine politics in general.

The first type of vaccine was a polysaccharide capsule (PRP). It was tested

in Finland and was found to have a 90% effectiveness rate. It was given to

children at 2 years of age and, before it was pulled, it was given to

children at 18 months of age. It was completely ineffective in children

younger than this who were over 75% of the cases of Hib meningitis.

It was tested in the U.S. in Dallas, northern CA, CT, Pittsburgh, PA and MN.

It was found to be 41-88% effective in most studies. These studies left out

the data from MN: 41% of the children who got the vaccine got Hib

meningitis. The efficacy rate in MN was -58%. The vaccine wasn't pulled,

however. The AAP sent out a bulletin to all of its members recommending

that

Hib vaccine use be discontinued where it was not effective. No research was

done to try to find out why children in MN were more likely to get the

disease from the vaccine so it isn't clear how was one to know where it

would

be effective. The bulletin also said that the vaccine was "similar to" the

one used in Finland, but did not explain what was different. In all

populations it was found that the vaccine left a three-week window of

vulnerabilty to develop Hib meningitis (as measured by antibody levels).

Around 1988 researchers discovered that when the PRP (fragments of the

polysaccharaide) was joined to a protein carrier (usually diphtheria) the

vaccine was more effective and was able to "trick" the systems of younger

children with "poorly developed immune systems"(PROHibiT). In 1990, the

"new" conjugate vaccines were licensed for use on 2 month olds. It had been

tested in Finland again (there were questions raised the first time about

accepting test results from a homogeneous population for such a

heterogeneous

one).

Four doses are now mandatory due to the temporary protection it offers.

They

are given at 2, 4, 6 months of age and a "booster" at 15 months.

The vaccine should be stored in a refrigerator with a temperature between 35

and 46 degrees. It should never be frozen. It is good only thirty days

after it has been mixed with the diluting fluid. Each vaccine is designed

to

be injected in a specific area: i.e. subcutaneously (under the skin) or

intramuscularly. There have not been studies done to see if it is safe or

effective to mix the different kinds of Hib vaccine.

Doctors should take a careful medical history and look for signs of any

illness. The vaccine insert also states that a syringe of adrenaline should

be ready to inject in case of shock

The vaccine contains Hib saccarhides, sodium chloride, (aluminum hydroxide,)

and thimerosal when mixed.

Side effects include: fever, redness, warmth, swelling at injection site,

rash, seizures, irritability, restless sleep, diarrhea, vomiting, and loss

of

appetite. There is also a two-week period after the vaccine has been

administered before it offers any "protection". There have been reports of

Hib meningitis within 5 days of vaccination with the new vaccine. If you

choose to get this vaccination keep an especially watchful eye out for signs

of meningitis (7).

Other adverse reactions associated with the vaccine as reported to VAERS

include: Guillain-Barre syndrome (an autoimmune illness characterized by

paralysis and demyelination of the nerve sheaths), transverse myelitis

(paralyzing disease of the spinal cord), and thrombocytopenia (a blood

disorder causing clotting and spontaneous bleeding, usually

internally-bruising). (8)

One vaccine insert clearly states that the vaccine "has not been evaluated

for its carcinogenic, mutagenic potential or impairment of fertility." The

safety and efficacy trials that were done for this vaccine (HibTITER)

followed most infants for only seven months.

The vaccine is generally 95% effective (length not determined). In

Australia, since the Hib vaccine has been introduced, Hib meningitis has

decreased 95%, but meningitis rates have not decreased overall. More are

caused by pneumococcal bacteria. As Meryl Dorey of Vaccine Awareness

Network

(VAN/Australia) states: "Nature loves a vacuum".

(1) C. Eugene Emery Jr., "In the Public Health," The Providence

Journal-Bulletin, (December, 1986) in Neil 's Vaccines: Are they

Really Safe and Effective? (p. 43).

(2) Mendelsohn, . How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your

Doctor.

(3) Wootan, . Take Charge of Your Child's Health.

(4) Duncan, Alice Likowski. Your Healthy Child.

(5) Mendelsohn, . Immunizations: The Terrible Risks Your Children

Face.... (Second Opinion).

(6) , Neil. Immunization: Theory vs. Reality and Vaccines: Are they

Really Safe and Effective?

(7) Basson E., et.al. "Haemophilus influenzae meningitis AFTER vaccination.

Consequence or Coincidence?" Archives de Pediatrie, April 1996;3(4):342-344.

(8) and general information: Neustaedter, Randall, Vaccine Guide: Making an

Informed Choice.

Other helpful books:

Lockie, . The Family Guide to Homeopathy and

Zand, Janet, Walton, and Bob Rountree. Smart Medicine For a

Healthier

Child. >>

List Owner of Vaccinations and Vaccine Infowww.geocities.com/mom2q (my work in progress!)Mom of two great kids who are vaccine free!

-----Original Message-----From: bluheron [mailto:bluheron@...]Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 11:46 AMVaccinationsegroupsSubject: Re: HIB info..

Thanks for the info..

HIB info..

I have tons of information but a mom that I convinced not to vaccinate any more

is SOOOO afraid of her 3 month old getting rotovirus and whoooping cough and

all those things.. She is new to all this and she made the decision after all the

information I gave her to not do her new born after her two others have severe asthma and

allergies.

Anyway..She asked if I had any info on the HIB vaccine...I had tons of stuff

but she askes for specific things..and I didn't copy any of the HIB stuff.

THANKS for any info I can get for her.

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also, keep in mind, that many pediatricians do not coreectly diagnose

meningitis because they can go through their entire careers without ever

seeing a case of it--it is that rare. i do know how you feel about worrying

about this particular disease--it's the one that i worry about too. but it's

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At 09:21 AM 07/21/2000 EDT, you wrote:

>also, keep in mind, that many pediatricians do not coreectly diagnose

>meningitis because they can go through their entire careers without ever

>seeing a case of it--it is that rare. i do know how you feel about worrying

>about this particular disease--it's the one that i worry about too. but it's

>

And it was ALWAYS rare. They make it sound like every baby had it before HIB.

I rarely saw a case when I worked PEDS ICU contrary to the propaganda. And

it wasn't always HIB. They were a variety of meningitis's

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wow! really rare, huh?

and i got from the ped. the - i held a baby dying from meningitis in

my arms scare story. that was the one they used to get me to give

that one shot to my son! then i spoke to 2 other moms who questioned

vaccines and they said they got that story too! i wonder if its in

their instruction pamphlet - must tell dying meningitis baby in your

arms story.

*smile*

chris

Vaccinationsegroups, Sheri Nakken <snakken@n...> wrote:

> At 09:21 AM 07/21/2000 EDT, you wrote:

> >also, keep in mind, that many pediatricians do not coreectly

diagnose

> >meningitis because they can go through their entire careers

without ever

> >seeing a case of it--it is that rare. i do know how you feel

about worrying

> >about this particular disease--it's the one that i worry about

too. but it's

> >

>

> And it was ALWAYS rare. They make it sound like every baby had it

before HIB.

> I rarely saw a case when I worked PEDS ICU contrary to the

propaganda. And

> it wasn't always HIB. They were a variety of meningitis's

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA 95959

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL

ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO

> VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine

Dangers

> Education, Homeopathic Education

> KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA

> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

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actually let me clarify - i was told, " ...and you don't know what it

is like hodling in your arms babies dying of meningitis..... " i guess

that doc probably didn't know either.

*smile*

chris

> and i got from the ped. the - i held a baby dying from meningitis

in

> my arms scare story.

> *smile*

> chris

>

>

> Vaccinationsegroups, Sheri Nakken <snakken@n...> wrote:

> > At 09:21 AM 07/21/2000 EDT, you wrote:

> > >also, keep in mind, that many pediatricians do not coreectly

> diagnose

> > >meningitis because they can go through their entire careers

> without ever

> > >seeing a case of it--it is that rare. i do know how you feel

> about worrying

> > >about this particular disease--it's the one that i worry about

> too. but it's

> > >

> >

> > And it was ALWAYS rare. They make it sound like every baby had

it

> before HIB.

> > I rarely saw a case when I worked PEDS ICU contrary to the

> propaganda. And

> > it wasn't always HIB. They were a variety of meningitis's

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA 95959

> > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL

> ADVICE. THE

> > DECISION TO

> > VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> > Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> > International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine

> Dangers

> > Education, Homeopathic Education

> > KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA

> > CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

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can we start a poll here in the polls section? - who got the dying

meningitis baby in the arms story?

*smile*

chris

> In a message dated 7/21/00 10:54:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> cl-chrisziggy@i... writes:

>

> << nd i got from the ped. the - i held a baby dying from meningitis

in

> my arms scare story. >>

>

> I got that story too!

>

> Teri

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