Guest guest Posted July 20, 2000 Report Share Posted July 20, 2000 http://www.whaleto.freeserve.co.uk/Vaccines/hib.html HIB info.. I have tons of information but a mom that I convinced not to vaccinate any more is SOOOO afraid of her 3 month old getting rotovirus and whoooping cough and all those things.. She is new to all this and she made the decision after all the information I gave her to not do her new born after her two others have severe asthma and allergies. Anyway..She asked if I had any info on the HIB vaccine...I had tons of stuff but she askes for specific things..and I didn't copy any of the HIB stuff. THANKS for any info I can get for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2000 Report Share Posted July 20, 2000 Thanks for the info.. HIB info.. I have tons of information but a mom that I convinced not to vaccinate any more is SOOOO afraid of her 3 month old getting rotovirus and whoooping cough and all those things.. She is new to all this and she made the decision after all the information I gave her to not do her new born after her two others have severe asthma and allergies. Anyway..She asked if I had any info on the HIB vaccine...I had tons of stuff but she askes for specific things..and I didn't copy any of the HIB stuff. THANKS for any info I can get for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2000 Report Share Posted July 20, 2000 Hib meningitis/vaccine Haemophilus influenzae type b is a bacteria that causes upper respiratory and ear infections, pneumonia, epiglottis and meningitis. Meningitis is an inflammation of membranes that cover the brain and spinal cord (meninges). Symptoms may include: stiff neck, persistent headache, vomiting, moaning, unexplained fever for 3-4 days (doesn't have to be high), drowsiness, a rash, irritability and sensitivity to light; in infants they may also include convulsions, bulging fontanels, and shrill cry (due to headache). Meningitis is caused by: bacteria (Hib, pneumococcus, and meningococcus), viruses, and fungi. Hib meningitis can occur unexpectedly, but usually occurs after another illness such as mumps. It most often affects African-Americans and Native Americans, including Native Alaskans. Formula-fed babies are more likely to contract meningitis of any kind. The peak incidence is between 6 and 7 months of age. Over 50% of cases are in children under the age of one. It was originally thought to be highly contagious, but recent studies have shown that this is not the case---1/772 got it from close contact in a daycare setting in one study (1). Mendelsohn writes that doctors are taught to identify meningitis in med school, but don't often remember it for various reasons (2). If you suspect meningitis, insist on all of the appropriate tests---this will include a spinal tap. Wootan writes that after a febrile seizure doctors may insist on a spinal tap to "rule out" meningitis. He recommends you withhold permission for the procedure unless you see other meningitis symptoms (your best judgement in co-ordination with the doctors') (3). Treatment: Needs to be treated promptly. Rush to a hospital for care. You can give homeopathic apis mel. every 15 minutes on the way. Antibiotics are given intraveneously. Duncan recommends insisting on IV vitamin C as well.(4) Outcome: With prompt care, full recovery from any bacterial meningitis is likely. There is a 5% mortality rate (no one says how this was concluded). Deafness and brain damage are also possible. Prevention: 1. A strong immune system and a watchful eye. Maternal antibodies are thought to provide protection for the first 6 months of life. Breastmilk provides protection even longer. 2. immune globulins: taken from the plasma of vaccinated adults. Effective for a short period of time and runs the usual risks of contamination as any blood product. 3. Vaccination: The Hib vaccine is often referred to as "the meningitis" vaccine. This is inaccurate as any protection it offers is only for Hib meningitis. The Hib vaccine is not able to affect other Hib illnesses. The following is a summary taken from Mendelsohn (5) and (6). The first Hib vaccine was licensed in 1985. This one is no longer in use, but offers an excellent example of the problems with vaccine efficacy and safety, and vaccine politics in general. The first type of vaccine was a polysaccharide capsule (PRP). It was tested in Finland and was found to have a 90% effectiveness rate. It was given to children at 2 years of age and, before it was pulled, it was given to children at 18 months of age. It was completely ineffective in children younger than this who were over 75% of the cases of Hib meningitis. It was tested in the U.S. in Dallas, northern CA, CT, Pittsburgh, PA and MN. It was found to be 41-88% effective in most studies. These studies left out the data from MN: 41% of the children who got the vaccine got Hib meningitis. The efficacy rate in MN was -58%. The vaccine wasn't pulled, however. The AAP sent out a bulletin to all of its members recommending that Hib vaccine use be discontinued where it was not effective. No research was done to try to find out why children in MN were more likely to get the disease from the vaccine so it isn't clear how was one to know where it would be effective. The bulletin also said that the vaccine was "similar to" the one used in Finland, but did not explain what was different. In all populations it was found that the vaccine left a three-week window of vulnerabilty to develop Hib meningitis (as measured by antibody levels). Around 1988 researchers discovered that when the PRP (fragments of the polysaccharaide) was joined to a protein carrier (usually diphtheria) the vaccine was more effective and was able to "trick" the systems of younger children with "poorly developed immune systems"(PROHibiT). In 1990, the "new" conjugate vaccines were licensed for use on 2 month olds. It had been tested in Finland again (there were questions raised the first time about accepting test results from a homogeneous population for such a heterogeneous one). Four doses are now mandatory due to the temporary protection it offers. They are given at 2, 4, 6 months of age and a "booster" at 15 months. The vaccine should be stored in a refrigerator with a temperature between 35 and 46 degrees. It should never be frozen. It is good only thirty days after it has been mixed with the diluting fluid. Each vaccine is designed to be injected in a specific area: i.e. subcutaneously (under the skin) or intramuscularly. There have not been studies done to see if it is safe or effective to mix the different kinds of Hib vaccine. Doctors should take a careful medical history and look for signs of any illness. The vaccine insert also states that a syringe of adrenaline should be ready to inject in case of shock The vaccine contains Hib saccarhides, sodium chloride, (aluminum hydroxide,) and thimerosal when mixed. Side effects include: fever, redness, warmth, swelling at injection site, rash, seizures, irritability, restless sleep, diarrhea, vomiting, and loss of appetite. There is also a two-week period after the vaccine has been administered before it offers any "protection". There have been reports of Hib meningitis within 5 days of vaccination with the new vaccine. If you choose to get this vaccination keep an especially watchful eye out for signs of meningitis (7). Other adverse reactions associated with the vaccine as reported to VAERS include: Guillain-Barre syndrome (an autoimmune illness characterized by paralysis and demyelination of the nerve sheaths), transverse myelitis (paralyzing disease of the spinal cord), and thrombocytopenia (a blood disorder causing clotting and spontaneous bleeding, usually internally-bruising). (8) One vaccine insert clearly states that the vaccine "has not been evaluated for its carcinogenic, mutagenic potential or impairment of fertility." The safety and efficacy trials that were done for this vaccine (HibTITER) followed most infants for only seven months. The vaccine is generally 95% effective (length not determined). In Australia, since the Hib vaccine has been introduced, Hib meningitis has decreased 95%, but meningitis rates have not decreased overall. More are caused by pneumococcal bacteria. As Meryl Dorey of Vaccine Awareness Network (VAN/Australia) states: "Nature loves a vacuum". (1) C. Eugene Emery Jr., "In the Public Health," The Providence Journal-Bulletin, (December, 1986) in Neil 's Vaccines: Are they Really Safe and Effective? (p. 43). (2) Mendelsohn, . How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor. (3) Wootan, . Take Charge of Your Child's Health. (4) Duncan, Alice Likowski. Your Healthy Child. (5) Mendelsohn, . Immunizations: The Terrible Risks Your Children Face.... (Second Opinion). (6) , Neil. Immunization: Theory vs. Reality and Vaccines: Are they Really Safe and Effective? (7) Basson E., et.al. "Haemophilus influenzae meningitis AFTER vaccination. Consequence or Coincidence?" Archives de Pediatrie, April 1996;3(4):342-344. (8) and general information: Neustaedter, Randall, Vaccine Guide: Making an Informed Choice. Other helpful books: Lockie, . The Family Guide to Homeopathy and Zand, Janet, Walton, and Bob Rountree. Smart Medicine For a Healthier Child. >> List Owner of Vaccinations and Vaccine Infowww.geocities.com/mom2q (my work in progress!)Mom of two great kids who are vaccine free! -----Original Message-----From: bluheron [mailto:bluheron@...]Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 11:46 AMVaccinationsegroupsSubject: Re: HIB info.. Thanks for the info.. HIB info.. I have tons of information but a mom that I convinced not to vaccinate any more is SOOOO afraid of her 3 month old getting rotovirus and whoooping cough and all those things.. She is new to all this and she made the decision after all the information I gave her to not do her new born after her two others have severe asthma and allergies. Anyway..She asked if I had any info on the HIB vaccine...I had tons of stuff but she askes for specific things..and I didn't copy any of the HIB stuff. THANKS for any info I can get for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 also, keep in mind, that many pediatricians do not coreectly diagnose meningitis because they can go through their entire careers without ever seeing a case of it--it is that rare. i do know how you feel about worrying about this particular disease--it's the one that i worry about too. but it's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 sorry, i kinda got cut off there...i was going to say, but it's still not worth, IMHO, giving my kids the HIB shot. brigit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 At 09:21 AM 07/21/2000 EDT, you wrote: >also, keep in mind, that many pediatricians do not coreectly diagnose >meningitis because they can go through their entire careers without ever >seeing a case of it--it is that rare. i do know how you feel about worrying >about this particular disease--it's the one that i worry about too. but it's > And it was ALWAYS rare. They make it sound like every baby had it before HIB. I rarely saw a case when I worked PEDS ICU contrary to the propaganda. And it wasn't always HIB. They were a variety of meningitis's -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA 95959 http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 wow! really rare, huh? and i got from the ped. the - i held a baby dying from meningitis in my arms scare story. that was the one they used to get me to give that one shot to my son! then i spoke to 2 other moms who questioned vaccines and they said they got that story too! i wonder if its in their instruction pamphlet - must tell dying meningitis baby in your arms story. *smile* chris Vaccinationsegroups, Sheri Nakken <snakken@n...> wrote: > At 09:21 AM 07/21/2000 EDT, you wrote: > >also, keep in mind, that many pediatricians do not coreectly diagnose > >meningitis because they can go through their entire careers without ever > >seeing a case of it--it is that rare. i do know how you feel about worrying > >about this particular disease--it's the one that i worry about too. but it's > > > > And it was ALWAYS rare. They make it sound like every baby had it before HIB. > I rarely saw a case when I worked PEDS ICU contrary to the propaganda. And > it wasn't always HIB. They were a variety of meningitis's > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA 95959 > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE > DECISION TO > VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. > Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin > International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers > Education, Homeopathic Education > KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA > CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 actually let me clarify - i was told, " ...and you don't know what it is like hodling in your arms babies dying of meningitis..... " i guess that doc probably didn't know either. *smile* chris > and i got from the ped. the - i held a baby dying from meningitis in > my arms scare story. > *smile* > chris > > > Vaccinationsegroups, Sheri Nakken <snakken@n...> wrote: > > At 09:21 AM 07/21/2000 EDT, you wrote: > > >also, keep in mind, that many pediatricians do not coreectly > diagnose > > >meningitis because they can go through their entire careers > without ever > > >seeing a case of it--it is that rare. i do know how you feel > about worrying > > >about this particular disease--it's the one that i worry about > too. but it's > > > > > > > And it was ALWAYS rare. They make it sound like every baby had it > before HIB. > > I rarely saw a case when I worked PEDS ICU contrary to the > propaganda. And > > it wasn't always HIB. They were a variety of meningitis's > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA 95959 > > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL > ADVICE. THE > > DECISION TO > > VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. > > Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours > > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin > > International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine > Dangers > > Education, Homeopathic Education > > KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA > > CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 can we start a poll here in the polls section? - who got the dying meningitis baby in the arms story? *smile* chris > In a message dated 7/21/00 10:54:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > cl-chrisziggy@i... writes: > > << nd i got from the ped. the - i held a baby dying from meningitis in > my arms scare story. >> > > I got that story too! > > Teri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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