From someone in Canada on Vaccs

[Guest guest]

Someone like to respond to this?

" It might be interesting for you to see what we do in

Canada for comparison. Being open minded, it's

interesting to see what the U.S. does and it's

rationale for it and what Canada does. We have very

different political agendas to be sure and it's

interesting to hear both viewpoints.

At this time, most provinces immunize 2mo, 4mo, 6mo,

18mo olds with DaPT-Hib vaccine (Connaught Labs), 4-6

yr. olds with DaPT, and 12-14 yr. old with Td. Adults

get a Td booster every 10 years (after 5-8 years if

they have a dirty injury).

MMR vaccine is given at 1 yr. of age and MR is given as

a booster at Grade 5 or 6 with the Hep B. MR is also

being given to all 18 month olds so that eventually we

can stop giving it at Grade 5/6 once they catch up.

Hep B is not routinely given to newborns. Only those

at high risk or living with family members who are

positive for Hep B.

Hep B series is given to Grade 5-6 students across the

country.

Influenza and Pneumococcal vaccine is given to high

risk clients only.

We are not supporting chickenpox vaccine at this time.

All " routine " vaccines are given free of charge.

Immunization, in Canada, is a parent's choice for the

most part except for on " religious grounds " which can't

be used as a convenient excuse, it has to be valid,

they can be exempted. Ontario does require kids to be

fully immunized before school entry, although most of

the other provinces do not require it. Many government

run daycare centres also require kids to be up-to-date

with vaccinations.

The point I'm making is that Canada doesn't just jump

on the bandwagon because a vaccine is available. A lot

of thought goes into what our country feels is really

needed for vaccine to prevent serious complications

from disease. Although chickenpox can be serious, we

are looking at the data to support/refute the

risk/benefit of the vaccination program. So it is

unknown at this time whether we will be giving this

routinely in the future. "

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA 95959

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO

VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

Even though we do have a bit more freedom here in Canada, one thing we do have

in common with US is fear mongering and propaganda. With regards to the flu

shot, every fall and winter there are lots of ads for the shot, with the

requisite warning about horrible consequences for those who don't get it.

Everybody I know who gets the shot comes down with the flu shortly after. At

my partner's workplace everyone rushes out gladly every year to get the shot.

He's the only one in the office who stays healthy all winter. Shoppers Drug

Mart,our biggest drug store chain, has frequent flu shot clinics, where they

give them for free to people " at risk " like seniors. And I just heard

recently that the government is thinking about makng all flu shots free for

everyone soon. Horray! I guess the pharm companies put pressure on them to

make sure more people are getting them.

Sheri Nakken wrote:

> Someone like to respond to this?

>

> " It might be interesting for you to see what we do in

> Canada for comparison. Being open minded, it's

> interesting to see what the U.S. does and it's

> rationale for it and what Canada does. We have very

> different political agendas to be sure and it's

> interesting to hear both viewpoints.

>

> At this time, most provinces immunize 2mo, 4mo, 6mo,

> 18mo olds with DaPT-Hib vaccine (Connaught Labs), 4-6

> yr. olds with DaPT, and 12-14 yr. old with Td. Adults

> get a Td booster every 10 years (after 5-8 years if

> they have a dirty injury).

>

> MMR vaccine is given at 1 yr. of age and MR is given as

> a booster at Grade 5 or 6 with the Hep B. MR is also

> being given to all 18 month olds so that eventually we

> can stop giving it at Grade 5/6 once they catch up.

>

> Hep B is not routinely given to newborns. Only those

> at high risk or living with family members who are

> positive for Hep B.

>

> Hep B series is given to Grade 5-6 students across the

> country.

>

> Influenza and Pneumococcal vaccine is given to high

> risk clients only.

>

> We are not supporting chickenpox vaccine at this time.

>

> All " routine " vaccines are given free of charge.

>

> Immunization, in Canada, is a parent's choice for the

> most part except for on " religious grounds " which can't

> be used as a convenient excuse, it has to be valid,

> they can be exempted. Ontario does require kids to be

> fully immunized before school entry, although most of

> the other provinces do not require it. Many government

> run daycare centres also require kids to be up-to-date

> with vaccinations.

>

> The point I'm making is that Canada doesn't just jump

> on the bandwagon because a vaccine is available. A lot

> of thought goes into what our country feels is really

> needed for vaccine to prevent serious complications

> from disease. Although chickenpox can be serious, we

> are looking at the data to support/refute the

> risk/benefit of the vaccination program. So it is

> unknown at this time whether we will be giving this

> routinely in the future. "

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA 95959

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO

> VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

> Education, Homeopathic Education

> KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA

> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> BTW: Did you buy that new car yet?

> If not, check this site out.

> They're called CarsDirect.com and it's a pretty sweet way to buy a car.

> 1/6847/10/_/489317/_/964460968/

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

At this time, most provinces immunize 2mo, 4mo, 6mo,

18mo olds with DaPT-Hib vaccine (Connaught Labs), 4-6

yr. olds with DaPT, and 12-14 yr. old with Td. Adults

get a Td booster every 10 years (after 5-8 years if

they have a dirty injury).

The last vax that I had was given at about age 5 or 6. I never got

any during 12-14 or boosters for tb although I remember some shots being

given at school, they were not mandatory. I don't know of any adults

that get boosters every 10 years!

Immunization, in Canada, is a parent's choice for the

most part except for on "religious grounds" which can't

be used as a convenient excuse, it has to be valid,

they can be exempted. Ontario does require kids to be

fully immunized before school entry, although most of

the other provinces do not require it. Many government

run daycare centres also require kids to be up-to-date

with vaccinations.

This is wrong! Ontario does not require

kids to be fully immunized before school entry. You are asked to

provide immunization records when registering, but what they don't advertise

is that you can be excepted based on religion or philosophical reasons.

The Ontario Ministry of Health website has this form on their website -

I don't have the link, but I have seen it.

from Ontario

[Guest guest]

Thanks LInda. Someone responded to this person and pointed out exactly

what you have pointed out!

Sheri

At 08:05 PM 07/24/2000 -0400, you wrote:

> At this time, most provinces immunize 2mo, 4mo, 6mo,

> 18mo olds with DaPT-Hib vaccine (Connaught Labs), 4-6

> Adults

> get a Td booster every 10 years (after 5-8 years if

> they have a dirty injury).

> I don't know of any adults that get boosters every 10 years!

> Immunization, in Canada, is a parent's choice for the

> most part except for on " religious grounds " which can't

> be used as a convenient excuse, it has to be valid,

> Ontario does require kids to be

> fully immunized before school entry, although most of

> Many government

> run daycare centres also require kids to be up-to-date

> with vaccinations.

> Ontario does not The Ontario Ministry of Health website has this form

>on their website - I don't have the link, but I have seen it. from

>Ontario

>

>

>

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA 95959

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO

VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

,

Where in Ontario are you from?

" L." wrote:

At this time, most provinces immunize 2mo, 4mo, 6mo,

18mo olds with DaPT-Hib vaccine (Connaught Labs), 4-6

yr. olds with DaPT, and 12-14 yr. old with Td. Adults

get a Td booster every 10 years (after 5-8 years if

they have a dirty injury).

The last vax that I had was given at about age 5 or 6. I never got

any during 12-14 or boosters for tb although I remember some shots being

given at school, they were not mandatory. I don't know of any adults

that get boosters every 10 years!

Immunization, in Canada, is a parent's choice for the

most part except for on "religious grounds" which can't

be used as a convenient excuse, it has to be valid,

they can be exempted. Ontario does require kids to be

fully immunized before school entry, although most of

the other provinces do not require it. Many government

run daycare centres also require kids to be up-to-date

with vaccinations.

This is wrong! Ontario does not require

kids to be fully immunized before school entry. You are asked to

provide immunization records when registering, but what they don't advertise

is that you can be excepted based on religion or philosophical reasons.

The Ontario Ministry of Health website has this form on their website -

I don't have the link, but I have seen it.

from Ontario

[Guest guest]

" Even though we do have a bit more freedom here in Canada, one thing we do

have in common with US is fear mongering and propaganda "

Here's a perfect example...the woman who sits next to me in a training class

at work was reading Parents magazine, I saw a picture of a giant duck and

asked her if she would mind tearing it out, since my 17 mo old son is

currently fascinated with ducks. She did, and said, " but he has a tear in

his eye " . Sure enough, one big tear coming from his eye, and below, and ad

about the horrors of CHICKENPOX, sponsered of course by Merck.

Here's the ad...

SADLY, ABOUT 7,400 KIDS END UP IN THE HOSPITAL EACH YEAR BECAUSE OF PROBLEMS

DUE TO CHICKENPOX. 1*

And tragically, about forty children lose their lives.2 Help protect your

child against chickenpox. Learn more by visiting www.chickenpoxinfo.com.

And be sure to talk to your doctor.

[in very small print]

*3.3 million cases of chickenpox per year in children under 15 years of age

in the United States from most recent data (1980-1990)

References: 1.)CDC: Prevention of Varicella: Recommendations of the Advisory

Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), MMWR 45 (RR-11): 1-36, July 12,

1996. 2.) Conrad, D.A.: New and Inproved Vaccines, Postgraduate Medicine

(Vaccines): 114, October, 1996.

Copyright 1999 by Merck & Co., Inc. All right reserved.

When I checked the stats at CDC, I believe there were 22-23 deaths related

to Chickenpox in children age 19 and under, 1997, I don't know where they

are coming up w/these numbers.

________________________________________________________________________

Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

[Guest guest]

out of 300 million people in the country thats a very small % (since

they like to use %)of the population in general.

also, how many children are hospitalized and/or die every year due to

a complication from a prescription (or over the counter even)

medication they were supposed to be taking (not accidental

overdoses)? i'll go hunting unless someone else knows, and i won't be

suprised someone does ;-)

*smile*

chris

> SADLY, ABOUT 7,400 KIDS END UP IN THE HOSPITAL EACH YEAR BECAUSE OF

PROBLEMS

> DUE TO CHICKENPOX. 1*

>

> And tragically, about forty children lose their lives.

[Guest guest]

Levy wrote:

> ,

>

> Where in Ontario are you from?

>

>

>

Thornhill, just north of Toronto

[Guest guest]

Neat. I'm from Toronto. Slowly but surely we're coming out of the

woodwork.

" L. " wrote:

> Levy wrote:

>

> > ,

> >

> > Where in Ontario are you from?

> >

> >

> >

>

> Thornhill, just north of Toronto

>

>

>

>