Re: COPYRIGHT - TALKHEALTH SITES

[Guest guest]

Bloody hell! I wonder what 'One of your members has informed us' means? I can't

imagine that anyone deliberately tipped them off?

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> Hello Sheila

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> I am extremely disappointed to have to contact you about something quite

> serious relating to copyright law.

[Guest guest]

What are you going to do about this Sheila or would you prefer not to say on the

forum now? I hope that you ignore them!!!!! In my opinion they are now scared

and are looking for a way out of some of the answers they have given.

Also how ironic would it be if hey tried to sue the TPA, i know i shouldnt but

LOL.

Steve

PS i was not the member to contact them, not that it matters ?

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> Hello Sheila

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> I am extremely disappointed to have to contact you about something quite

> serious relating to copyright law.

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[Guest guest]

I am utterly disgusted with Talk Health, it's a long time since something wound

me up to this extent.

How did they get this info anyway? and unless they have something to hide why

are they bothered?

Shocking behaviour

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> OMG!! They're quite unbelievable!!!

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> Plus, who told them???? Gees!

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[Guest guest]

I would suggest that maybe one of them is signed up as a member?

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> Bloody hell! I wonder what 'One of your members has informed us' means? I

can't imagine that anyone deliberately tipped them off?

[Guest guest]

The first question to ask them is: are they claiming copyright in the content of

the postings made by the experts and the visitors to the site. I don't think

they are but you need to know. If you have taken screenshots of their site or in

some other way reproduced their web pages appearance-wise then they appear to

have a legitimate point and I think you need to confirm to them that you are

disposing of the information and will not retain any of it. If however you have

simply stripped out the text of the questions and answers by copying and pasting

into a word processor, it's a matter of whether they lay claim to any copyright

in that text. I can't seen anything which suggests that they do but it would be

as well to ask them to confirm this.

TonyC

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> Hello Sheila

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> I am extremely disappointed to have to contact you about something quite

> serious relating to copyright law.

[Guest guest]

I would have thought that each poster owns the copyright to their own posts as

the posts are the original creations of the authors.

However I can't imagine you'd be able to copy other posters' (ie. the experts'

posts) without their permission. You'd probably just have to reproduce your

original post and then put a link up to refer viewers to the answer from the

'expert' on the original website.

NB. I am not a lawyer.

[Guest guest]

> Bloody hell! I wonder what 'One of your members has informed us' means? I can't imagine that anyone deliberately tipped them off?

Well - I can believe it! There are moles everywhere, even on this forum.

Sheila - we have to be careful. The TPA cannot be seen to break the rules . Anything you might "want" to say or do could discredit the TPA and you have worked too hard to let it all go for the sake of this so-called forum, whatsitsname. However we all feel about it, we need to rise above it and stay professional. All of us are angry about the way we have been treated, but did we really believe things would change? .... the worst thing we can do now is to take the bait. Let them rot !

We have achieve one thing - we let the 'outside' thyroid world know just how dissatisfied we are with the way we are treated and we have shown up the so-called "experts". Slowly, slowly catchy monkey...... It was never going to be easy. So we carry on chipping away at the BTA et al, bit by bit.....

love,

xx

[Guest guest]

I just did a bit of research on this, and it seems that the Forum owner

generally has the copyright of all content, since in joining the forum, posters

will have agreed to the T & C, which will have specified this. HOWEVER - this has

never really been tested in a court of law, so it is actually not clear who

would win the copyright in court case, and it would probably depend on the

context.

Some info here: http://www.copyrightaid.co.uk/forum/topic27.htm - and here:

http://www.forumdr.com/who-owns-forum-posts/67/

- both of which conclude that it is, in the end, a grey area.

I think you can, however, copy this stuff 'for personal use' without breaking

any law. Disseminating the material to others is where it gets more dubious.

N.B. - I am not a lawyer, either!

x H

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> I would have thought that each poster owns the copyright to their own posts as

the posts are the original creations of the authors.

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> NB. I am not a lawyer.

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[Guest guest]

Sheila, I doubt very much that any member squealed - they're probably just

keeping any eye on you and seen these (and other) posts. Also, copying and

pasting is not illegal (they haven't even disabled the feature!) as long as you

are not 'pasting' elsewhere - just keep all in a private folder on your pc until

needed (or not).

Furthermore, they say '...Reproduction of any of the materials on all talk sites

in any format is not allowable without the express permission in writing from

talkhealth...' since you are not intending to 'reproduce' any 'materials' (but

are just keeping for your own info) this is irrelevant.

My advice would be to ignore, as I think they are trying to scare and bully you.

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> Hello Sheila

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> I am extremely disappointed to have to contact you about something quite

> serious relating to copyright law.

[Guest guest]

I suppose they could have a mole here! Any suspicious new joiners, Sheila?

(Sorry to tar any non-suspicious new joiners with that brush).

Or someone may have foolishly mentioned it in correspondence with them, not

realising it could be a legal issue. I.e. '... TPA is keeping copies of all the

posts so rest assured we will not let this drop even if you are ignoring us' etc

etc.

(And no, it certainly wasn't me! I haven't corresponded with them at all!)

But you see what I mean - someone could have done it by accident.

> I can't imagine that anyone deliberately tipped them off?

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> Well - I can believe it! There are moles everywhere, even on this

> forum.

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[Guest guest]

The first question to ask them is: are they claiming copyright in the content of

the postings made by the experts and the visitors to the site. I don't think

they are but you need to know. If you have taken screenshots of their site or in

some other way reproduced their web pages appearance-wise then they appear to

have a legitimate point and I think you need to confirm to them that you are

disposing of the information and will not retain any of it. If however you have

simply stripped out the text of the questions and answers by copying and pasting

into a word processor, it's a matter of whether they lay claim to any copyright

in that text. I can't seen anything which suggests that they do but it would be

as well to ask them to confirm this.

TonyC

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> Hello Sheila

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> I am extremely disappointed to have to contact you about something quite

> serious relating to copyright law.

[Guest guest]

The first question to ask them is: are they

claiming copyright in the content of the postings made by the experts and the

visitors to the site. I don't think they are but you need to know.

Yes

If you have taken screenshots of their site or

in some other way reproduced their web pages appearance-wise then they appear

to have a legitimate point and I think you need to confirm to them that you are

disposing of the information and will not retain any of it.

Not done any screenshots or anything similar Tony so not to

worry.

If however you have simply stripped out the

text of the questions and answers by copying and pasting into a word processor,

it's a matter of whether they lay claim to any copyright in that text. I can't

seen anything which suggests that they do but it would be as well to ask them

to confirm this.

This is what I believe might have been done, but they are laying

claim to any and all copyright in that text. This has been confirmed by them.

It has all been cleared up during our telephone conversation

now.

Luv - Sheila

TonyC

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> Hello Sheila

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> I am extremely disappointed to have to contact you about something quite

> serious relating to copyright law.

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[Guest guest]

HI ALL

NHS CHOICES are tied in with these Talkhealth clinic forums and other sites.

This is to do with the Government, so in turn they have all our personel

information. I have just removed my account with NHS CHOICES.

I don't know what the rules are on copyright issues as these rules are not made

clear, and should this online forum have a clear cut message on the board.

When you enter a photo competition the rules are clear. You still own your

copyright (these could be our messages),but you also agree that whoever is

running the competion can use them in their magazine or online if you enter a

comp online.

If this is the case all those that joined this online clinic that are also

members of the TPA could hand over our copyright of our messages to the TPA.

If they also had a specific reason for not allowing any copying from their

website then surely there must be a way of preventing any copy and pasting.

My general feeling is that they must be getting something for themselves from

this online clinic, but were we informed of their reasons, and what they are

going to use our messages for. Money has to be involved.

Last of all we certainly do not want the TPA to get into trouble or being

discredited.

Kathleen

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> Sheila - we have to be careful. The TPA cannot be seen to break the

> rules . Anything you might " want " to say or do could discredit the TPA

> and you have worked too hard to let it all go for the sake of this

> so-called forum, whatsitsname. However we all feel about it, we need to

> rise above it and stay professional. All of us are angry about the way

> we have been treated, but did we really believe things would change?

> .... the worst thing we can do now is to take the bait. Let them rot !

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> xx

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[Guest guest]

That's impressive Sheila. From the timeline on the site, you answered my

questions before I had asked them

Glad to see something good seems to have come out of this business following

your phone contact with them.

TonyC

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> The first question to ask them is: are they claiming copyright in the

> content of the postings made by the experts and the visitors to the site. I

> don't think they are but you need to know.

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> Yes

[Guest guest]

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> > OMG!! They're quite unbelievable!!!

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> > Plus, who told them???? Gees!

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>That's What I was thinking too. If they haven't got anything to hide what

exactly is bothering them? Methinks they protest too much!

[Guest guest]

If we wanted to use any of their replies, we could do it by saying... " Dr X

said on the NHS forum that a tsh of 5 is perfectly normal "

so we don't actually use a quotation, just give our interpretation of it....

Anyone else know better?

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> I think because there was a suggestion of putting some of their

> " ridiculous " replies on our main website.

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[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I totally agree with everyone’s thoughts but……………..if

someone copies the information and it goes out to others then if anyone is

harmed by their articles they are not covered by public liability insurance and

could be sued. They are covered as long as they have it on their site with

their disclaimers once it goes out elsewhere then their ‘words’ are

being used outside of their ‘legal’ cover.

Hope this makes sense and helps understand their

concern.

Best wishes,

Mandy