Re: visit from hell with my naturopathic doctor

[Guest guest]

I think she's talking absolute tosh! I have hashi's and didn't do well on levo

at all, but am well on Erfa. In addition your TSH is too high (I personally

found I only stopped getting severe attacks when I suppressed TSH) and your FT3

is no where near mid-range it's below the bottom of the usual range.

It sounds like she just wants to sell you a load of supplements... Can you not

go and see Dr P instead?

Cat.

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> my naturopath said my TSH of 2.58 and FT3 of 2.9 were perfect

[Guest guest]

I wonder were do naturpathic doctors learn there knowledge about thyroid

disease? The courses i have been looking at only touch the very basics for 1-2

weeks only. Then compare that to endo's who do 3 years specialising in it and

yet they still know very little. So unless they suffer themselves or have had a

close family member with the problem are they fully self taught ?

Her knowledge doesnt seem to good, milk thistle for RT3 i have never herd of

this before... milk thistle is for the liver so if your RT3 problems are not

liver related then i dont see it clearing rt3. Also saying RT3 is bad for people

with hashis, just take a look at paul for an example of how well people can be

on T3 only with hashis.

Your RT3 is mid range, if you would like to go off what Val says about RT3 is if

your RT3 test is in the upper quater or if you had FT3 test you could work out

a ratio.

Nauropathic doctors cant prescribe can they? Can they even give a private

prescripton? Would it not be worth to see Dr peatfield if this was the case ?

Steve

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> my naturopath said my TSH of 2.58 and FT3 of 2.9 were perfect mid-range and my

changing from 75mg. of erfa to 90mg despite muscle and joint pain was very bad

and i was getting hyper because i was agitated at the visit.

[Guest guest]

Hi Barbara,

I'd find a new doctor frankly. Whoever this is is working based on information

that is at least ten years out of date.

To say that Hashi's patients can't get better on certain treatments is rubbish -

total BS. Hash's patients all over the world are getting better on ALL the

treatments - it is just a matter of finding the treatment that works for them.

I don't agree with her fear of the adrenal glands either. " Poor little furry

adrenals - need to be nursed and cared for with herbs because they are so weak " .

No - she didn't say that but what she said was tantamount to it. Again -

rubbish.

If you are getting muscle and joint pain then the vast experience of thyroid

patients all over the world would suggest that regardless of blood levels your

muscles etc are not getting enough T3 hormone. Now, I don't know whether this

might be due to an iron issue or B12, or folate or vitamin D. I don't know

whether you actually have tested with low cortisol. I do know that putting you

back on Synthroid would be laughable to most people that actually understand

this disease.

Your doctor is useless and probably isn't capable of learning.

A lot of folks in your situation would continue with the ERFA and consider

adding small amount of standard T3 to it - for instance two 5mcg T3 units per

day to begin with and then maybe adding another couple if it goes well. Beyond

that the dosage could be reviewed.

One of these 5 mcg T3 units (split from a 20 mcg tablet - quartered) could be

used to try the Circadian T3 Method to stimulate your adrenal glands.

So, your original 75 mcg Erfa might be fine but topped up with some small

amounts of T3 - this is what many people in your situation have done and many

have found it helpful. Whereas going back to Synthroid would be a retrograde

step IMHO.

Many people in the USA are now using the Circadian T3 Method (in my book) with a

small dose of T3 (5-25 micrograms) and taking natural desiccated thyroid or T4

for the rest of their medication. Many are finding that they can come off long

term use of HC as a result of this. Now, in your case you aren't even on HC (I'm

guessing from this) so it may help you enormously.

I don't usually look at rT3. Mainly, because I don't trust levels in the blood

greatly as a reflection of active cellular levels of thyroid hormone. Also, it

isn't necessary to use it. We know you don't feel well on the current medication

and experience has taught people that with your hypo symptoms that changing the

balance of T3 and T4 in the medication will usually work as long as all the

other nutrients (iron etc.) are in good shape and there is a good

supplementation regime in place. I put my trust in symptoms and signs because

they are a more reliable measure of what is actually going on. There is no ideal

ratio of FT3/rT3 - different people operate at different points on the FT3/rT3

continuum - also rT3 is dynamic. You could have it tested one day and get one

reading and then get a different reading at a different time. I think too much

emphasis is being placed on it. This doctor of yours clearly can't see the wood

for the trees.

The supplements you ought to consider are:

vitamin B complex (50 mg of B1,B2,B3,B4,B5, B6) twice a day

vitamin C 500 mg several times a day - divided doses

vitamin D3 2500-5000 IUs one per day

a good quality chelated multi-mineral with all the trace and macro minerals in

selenium 200mcg

chelated magnesium 400 mg (once or twice a day) - has to be CHELATED

Find a better doctor Barbara.

Best wishes,

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> my naturopath said my TSH of 2.58 and FT3 of 2.9 were perfect mid-range and my