Re: Just out of Hospital..

[Guest guest]

How did I miss that?!!

Thanks Amanada, I was under the impression that you couldn't get it without a

Dr! Phew! I would feel better about taking anything if I spoke to a Dr though,

its almost like I need clarification now. Plus I wouldn't know how much to take

etc.

I really want to see someone this week, I'm been crying my eyes out everyday

without my son and really don't have the time to wait. Do you know of anyone I

could to? It doesn't matter about cost or location as long as its this week.

Thank you

x

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> > I'd love to see Dr S or Dr P but I know thats impossible in the near future,

plus I need someone who will be able to prescribe me with HC or whatever if

needed.

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[Guest guest]

Spoken to your husband this morning and given him the

names of some good endocrinologists in Yorkshire. However, I must admit that I

have no idea whether or not they recognise low adrenal reserve, but if you have

's, or borderline 's, they are much more likely to pick that up

than the idiot endoprat you have been seeing where you live.

Good luck.

If I have any cancellations for Dr Peatfield's up and coming

clinic at my cottage (between Skipton/Keighley) on 22nd to 25th February, I

will let you know.

Luv - Sheila

Because of the urgency to be able to care for my son again I want to get in

with someone this week, I'll go anywhere and pay anything.

I'd love to see Dr S or Dr P but I know thats impossible in the near future,

plus I need someone who will be able to prescribe me with HC or whatever if

needed.

Shelia would you mind sending me the contact details of someone you think might

be able to help me or at least see me at short notice please?

[Guest guest]

, if you are suffering with severe low adrenal reserve

(adrenal fatigue) you must not start any thyroid hormone replacement until you

have boosted your adrenals. If you start taking some adrenal supplement such as

Nutri Adrenal Extra, then you start by taking 1 tablet with breakfast for a

week, and on the 8th day, you would start taking whatever thyroid hormone

replacement you need, and increase the Nutri Adrenal Extra by another tablet,

but take this one with your lunch. You increase your NAE every 10 days to 2

weeks by taking another tablet, but take this one with breakfast. You can take

up to 6 tablets daily, but if you are still suffering with adrenal fatigue you

probably need a course of hydrocortisone.

Are you taking anything to boost your adrenals at the moment.

It would help to take high doses of vitamin C, i.e. 3/4000mgs

daily. Also a good B complex, Selenium 200mcgs daily with food and Zinc 15mgs

daily.

All the information you need to know about adrenals and natural

thyroid extract you will find in our Files Section, e.g. if you want to know

about 'How to use Natural Thyroid Extract' - go to the Natural Thyroid Extract

FOLDER and you will find this document in there. If you want to know about

adrenals, go to the 'Adrenals' folder and everything you need to know is in

there.

If you need to get your thyroid/adrenals tested, check out the

FOLDER entitled 'Discounts on Tests and Supplements' and in the page that

opens, click on 'Genova Diagnostics' and telephone them to get the kit for the

24 hour salivary adrenal profile and the Thyroid Screen. Tell them that Thyroid

Patient Advocacy is your practitioner. You need to do this now, and not wait,

because even if you can get to see Dr Peatfield, he is going to want to see

those results.

Luv - Sheila

How did I miss that?!!

Thanks Amanada, I was under the impression that you couldn't get it without a

Dr! Phew! I would feel better about taking anything if I spoke to a Dr though,

its almost like I need clarification now. Plus I wouldn't know how much to take

etc.

I really want to see someone this week, I'm been crying my eyes out everyday

without my son and really don't have the time to wait. Do you know of anyone I

could to? It doesn't matter about cost or location as long as its this week.

Thank you

[Guest guest]

Hi

I have just read Sheila's post re endocrinologists in Yorkshire. I also

live in Yorkshire and was seeing an endo last year (NHS) who I

definitely wouldn't recommend, especially if you have adrenal issues.

If you want to e-mail me privately I will let you know who it is and how

I was treated by him. Having said that..... if you're paying to go

private, I imagine it will be a totally different ball game!!!

Take care..... Gill

> Spoken to your husband this morning and given him the names of

some

> good endocrinologists in Yorkshire. However, I must admit that I have

no

> idea whether or not they recognise low adrenal reserve,

[Guest guest]

Just found out my magnesium levels are high 0.8 (0.1-0.7) Does this also add to

the evidence of adrenal problems? Again GP has ignored these results by saying

'that might be normal for you'

I've just been to see the GP to get a referral for Dr Skinner in the hope he

will see me urgently. She was truly horrible to me, I said that I'm aware I'm

not going to get anywhere with her or the NHS and I only wanted one last thing..

the referral' she agreed.

I have heard that magnesium is raised with Adrenal issues is this right?

Thank you

x

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[Guest guest]

Dear

I really feel for you on how you are being treated, or not treated. If you can afford to go privately, go to see Dr S. I had to and have never looked back, after the Endo and GPs also said nothing was wrong with me even though I had every symptom in the book and more. It is accepted now that I am hypothyroid. However your so called endo is a fool if you have a TSH of 70 and he says there is nothing wrong. What morons we have in the NHS.I do hope you receive the help you need.

Big hug. Love Ina

I

[Guest guest]

> Just found out my magnesium levels are high 0.8 (0.1-0.7) Does this also add to the evidence of adrenal problems? Again GP has ignored these results by saying 'that might be normal for you'> > I've just been to see the GP to get a referral for Dr Skinner in the hope he will see me urgently. She was truly horrible to me, I said that I'm aware I'm not going to get anywhere with her or the NHS and I only wanted one last thing.. the referral' she agreed.> > I have heard that magnesium is raised with Adrenal issues is this right?

Hi ,

well done you for getting the referral to Dr. Skinner. As soon as you have the letter in your hand - or if she is sending the letter direct - phone Dr. S's secretary and ask for an appointment. If you only get the answerphone leave a message and ask to be called back.

Make sure that you have copies of ALL lab tests (as far back as first hypo diagnosis), including your two SST's - everything that you can lay your hands on... - don't let your GP fob you off with the comment that she will include the results in her referral letter.... tell her you want to keep copies with ref ranges for your own files and this is your right. Dr. S. will ask you to fill in a very comprehensive questionnaire when you go to see him and previous lab results will come in handy.

As for your question about magnesium.... I could not say one way or another if raised mag indicates adrenal issues, but I am not aware of it. My adrenal function is not brilliant either, and I take large amounts of magnesium - my levels are low-ish.

You will like Dr. Skinner. He is quite a character....

with warm wishes,

[Guest guest]

> Just found out my magnesium levels are high 0.8 (0.1-0.7) Does this also add

to the evidence of adrenal problems? Again GP has ignored these results by

saying 'that might be normal for you'

Yes, they chop and change when they want. It's ok for a test to be out of range

if they deem it to be ok, but woe betide you if you feel good on a thyroid

medication but the tests indicate you are over medicated! Perhaps it is normal

for you to feel bad! They go by the reference range when they want, and

dismiss it when they want. I had experience of this personally - i had the

testosterone levels of an 80 something man (I was 32 at the time). " maybe

that's normal for you " . Yes, of course, silly me! Just one of the flaws in

this argument is that they never tested these hormones/minerals when we were

healthy, so for them to say maybe that's normal, doesn't stand up. You sound

very unwell, so she should really have determined whether magnesium is playing

any part in this. Sadly, they don't do this.

> I've just been to see the GP to get a referral for Dr Skinner in the hope he

will see me urgently. She was truly horrible to me, I said that I'm aware I'm

not going to get anywhere with her or the NHS and I only wanted one last thing..

the referral' she agreed.

Well done for sticking to your guns. I've only ever heard good things about Dr

Skinner.

> I have heard that magnesium is raised with Adrenal issues is this right?

Sorry I don't know but I understand the minerals need to be in the correct

balance - magnesium / calcium - she should have checked calcium i think. Other

people on the board may know more about this.

chris

[Guest guest]

Hi

Are you taking any supplements that contain magnesium or eating foods high in magnesium? There is an association with high levels of magnesium and adrenal insufficiency http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypermagnesemia but there are other causes too.

Luv - Sheila

> Just found out my magnesium levels are high 0.8 (0.1-0.7) Does this also add to the evidence of adrenal problems? Again GP has ignored these results by saying 'that might be normal for you'> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Shelia,

No at the time of the test I wasn't taking any magnesium or eating anything high

in magnesium.

Don't know whether you saw on my post but I managed to get a referral for Dr S,

we called his office this morning but its closed till tomorrow so will try again

then..fingers crossed! I'm sending of the genova 24 hour cortisol test today

also.

I felt so bad last night so decided this morning I couldn't wait any longer and

took one of the Nutri adrenal supplements.. feel a little weird but ok so far.

We have also left a message with the endo you see and his secretary said they

would call us back on monday when hes back from holiday. At this point I don't

mind going to both him and Dr S so I can get different opinions and then decide

what to do.

I've ordered some HC just incase I do need it after these appointments but

obviuosly won't take it unless a Dr says I absolutly need it.

Was annoyed this morning as my hair has started falling out AGAIN! grr, I look

bad enough with dark bags under my eyes, acne etc which I never had before!

Just wondered if you have had any experience with the NAX? what kind of feeling

can I expect? is everyone different or does it depend on how exhausted the

adrenal are?

Thank you again for all of your kind help.

xx

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> Hi

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> Are you taking any supplements that contain magnesium or eating foods

> high in magnesium? There is an association with high levels of magnesium

> and adrenal insufficiency

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypermagnesemia

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypermagnesemia> but there are other

> causes too.

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> Luv - Sheila

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> > Just found out my magnesium levels are high 0.8 (0.1-0.7) Does this

> also add to the evidence of adrenal problems? Again GP has ignored these

> results by saying 'that might be normal for you'

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[Guest guest]

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> Just found out my magnesium levels are high 0.8 (0.1-0.7) Does this also add

to the evidence of adrenal problems? Again GP has ignored these results by

saying 'that might be normal for you'

>

> I've just been to see the GP to get a referral for Dr Skinner in the hope he

will see me urgently. She was truly horrible to me, I said that I'm aware I'm

not going to get anywhere with her or the NHS and I only wanted one last thing..

the referral' she agreed.

>

> I have heard that magnesium is raised with Adrenal issues is this right?

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> Thank you

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> x

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Excuse me for chipping in but are you saying you wouldn't recommend magnesium if

you have adrenal issues? Why is this please?

Janet

[Guest guest]

Hi

It sounds like periodic paralysis, if I'm right.

Either high or low potassium levels can cause this ~ and I'd guess it's high

potassium if you were hypothyroid and/or adrenal challenged.

The cellular energy status is low in hypothyroidismm and so low potassium inside

the cell along with high sodium would cause Hyperkalemic ( ECF/Serum levels )

periodic paralysis ~ due to high potassium outside the cell.

Faulty adrenal function, that goes with mis-treated hypothyroidism, adds to the

paradox of misaligned electrolyte status.

In this condition, where elevated thyroxine levels are being attained by

over-treatment, leading to thyrotoxicosis, the electrolyte levels may become

dramatically unbalanced due to rapidly dropping potassium (and magnesium) in the

ECF/serum.

Hashimoto's disease would potentially cause a 'bouncing around' of the thyroid

function ~ so, unpredictable !

best wishes

Bob

My DW also felt very good after the Short SynACTHen Stim test ~ could have gone

shopping, no problem, after about ten days in hospital.

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> I have had a week of many ups and downs. I had a barrage of hormonal tests

performed on Monday one being the ACTH stimulation test. I should state that I

currently have an underactive thyroid with high antibodies (presuming

Hashimotos).

> I felt really good after the Stim test on monday, I could actually get on with

my day..that however has been short lived.

> I've gone down hill since then, I ended up in A & E early this morning as my

muscles became so weak I could barely lift them. By BP was low/normal but my

heart felt like it was pounding, I had pain in my back (around kidneys) and

directly opposite in the abdomen. My mind was a complete fog and I could not

coordinate my movements properly. My knees and other joints feel like they are

throbbing and I had nausea and a bad headache.

[Guest guest]

Sorry don't know who put that? Did the poster mean wouldn't take magnesium or

wouldn't see Dr Skinner?

x

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> > Just found out my magnesium levels are high 0.8 (0.1-0.7) Does this also add

to the evidence of adrenal problems? Again GP has ignored these results by

saying 'that might be normal for you'

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Bob,

From the results that I have had my potassium and sodium are low and my

magnesium high? I have no clue whats going on. I've no doubt I'm not being

correctly treated for Hashimotos (they won't even diagnose me with Hashi even

with an antibody result of 149 (0-50) I'm just confused as to whether my

adrenals need addressing to. I seem to always have so much abdominal pain and GI

problems and don't really hear many people mentioning anything like that. I also

am very thin and seem to loose weight whenever I have these episodes, I've only

really heard people saying they put weight on and can't loose it.

x

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> Hi

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> It sounds like periodic paralysis, if I'm right.

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> Either high or low potassium levels can cause this ~ and I'd guess it's high

potassium if you were hypothyroid and/or adrenal challenged.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Shelia,

Don't worry I did the cortisol test the day before I started the NAX.

x

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[Guest guest]

hello katie

i've just come across a note i wrote myself that said " low potassium and sodium

are associated with reduced cell permeability to thyroid hormones "

....unfortunately i am unbelievably disorganised when it comes to referencing

things but i typed the sentence into google and it gave me this site ...i have

visited this site many many times and there is a wealth of information in it.

http://drlwilson.com/Articles/thyroid.htm

best wishes

trish

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> Thanks Bob,

>

> From the results that I have had my potassium and sodium are low and my

magnesium high? I have no clue whats going on. I've no doubt I'm not being

correctly treated for Hashimotos (they won't even diagnose me with Hashi even

with an antibody result of 149 (0-50) I'm just confused as to whether my

adrenals need addressing to. I seem to always have so much abdominal pain and GI

problems and don't really hear many people mentioning anything like that. I also

am very thin and seem to loose weight whenever I have these episodes, I've only

really heard people saying they put weight on and can't loose it.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Trish! I'll take a proper look when my 9 month old chills out for more

than a minute! x

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> hello katie

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> i've just come across a note i wrote myself that said " low potassium and

sodium are associated with reduced cell permeability to thyroid hormones "

....unfortunately i am unbelievably disorganised when it comes to referencing

things but i typed the sentence into google and it gave me this site ...i have

visited this site many many times and there is a wealth of information in it.

>

> http://drlwilson.com/Articles/thyroid.htm

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> best wishes

>

> trish

>