Re: Dr. Skinner - they just wont let go.

[Guest guest]

Surely not? what for this time?

>

> I have heard that Dr. Skinner has been called to appear again before IOP in

five days time.

>

> Lilian

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I have heard that Dr. Skinner has been called to appear again before

IOP in five days time.

What's IOP, Lilian ? .... and what are the charges this time?

love,

Christna

[Guest guest]

It is the GMC's Interim (cant remember what the O is for) Panel.Charges are for giving thyroxine to patients who don't have a thyroid problem.   Doctors bringing the charges, not patients.  

LilianOn 17 February 2012 13:15, <christina@...> wrote:

 

What's IOP, Lilian ? .... and what are the charges this time?

love,

Christna

[Guest guest]

> It is the GMC's Interim (cant remember what the O is for) Panel. > Charges are for giving thyroxine to patients who don't have a thyroid> problem. Doctors bringing the charges, not patients.

the bastards !!

Thanks for letting us know, Lilian....

love,

x

[Guest guest]

I have just sent out a message to all members explaining the

reason, or at least, the bit that we know so far. We had a feeling something

was brewing up in the background because a 'certain organisation not far from

my front door' was extremely unhappy that he was completely exonerated last

November 2011. They will stop at nothing. I just hope that Dr Skinner never

gives up, because I do believe this is now what they are after. They want him

to retire, so he is one good doctor out of the way, and they believe that would

leave them in the clear to get on with their continued bad practice.

I am appalled.

Sadly, I cannot go to Manchester on 22nd February as Dr

Peatfield starts his Yorkshire Clinic at my cottage on that day and will be

here until 26th.

Luv - Sheila

Surely not? what for this time?

>

> I have heard that Dr. Skinner has been called to appear again before IOP

in five days time.

>

> Lilian

>

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[Guest guest]

This really makes my blood boil and is highly unethical, Dr Skinner was

completely exonerated after years of being pursued, were this a normal 'court of

law' you could not just keep putting people on trial on these trumped up

charges.

I am currently thinking - is there not a mechanism by which we thyroid patients

can put in complaints to the GMC regarding our treatment by certain doctors and

ask for their practices to be investigated?

Can we not collate the names of these doctors and work out the main offenders

and ask for the scandelous mis-treatement we receive from them to be

investigated?

Debs

>

> I have just sent out a message to all members explaining the reason, or at

> least, the bit that we know so far.

[Guest guest]

I am appalled too - and I am convinced the short notice he has been given to drag him in front of the panel yet again is to prevent as much public support as possible. So please spread the word and whoever has the opportunity to turn up at the hearing next week – please go and show your support for Dr. Skinner.

Are we allowed to know the names of those 4 doctors who have put in a complaint, Sheila? – or are they cowardly hiding behind anonymity? If we knew their names, perhaps we could circulate them with a health warning and a big, fat heading "avoid like the plague"..... oh, I am soo angry!!

[Guest guest]

I am horrified that Dr Skinner has to go through this again. Surely the doctors

concerned are taking a big professional risk here.They have given names and

medical details to the GMC without the patient`s knowledge or permission.This

must surely result in the breakdown of the doctor/patient relationship at the

very least.I`d throw the book at them. It must also go against the Data

Protection Act.The patients concerned should surely complain to their PCT (or

whatever is in its place).The doctors concerned should be referred to the GMC

statement last year AND they themselves should be reported to the GMC for

breaking patient confidentiality. The `other organisation` that you mention,

Sheila, cannot keep on making attacks like this,it is not right.Apart from

supporting Dr Skinner, what are we going to do about this flagrant breach of

confidentiality? I feel so bad for the patients who are unwilling participants

in this too.

Chrissie

>

> I have just sent out a message to all members explaining the reason, or at

> least, the bit that we know so far. We had a feeling something was brewing

> up in the background because a 'certain organisation not far from my front

> door' was extremely unhappy that he was completely exonerated last November

> 2011.>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And what about the waste of public money when doctors are not giving the medication we need because it is too expensive.Lilian

I am horrified that Dr Skinner has to go through this again.

[Guest guest]

Well they have breached patient confidentiality, and the data protection act, so why should they expect the courtesy of anonymity that they do not give their patients.    Isn't breaking patient confidentiality a striking off offense?   Maybe they should be investigated.

Lilian

I am appalled too  - and I am convinced the short notice he has been given to drag him in front of the panel yet again is to prevent as much public support as possible. 

[Guest guest]

> Well they have breached patient confidentiality, and the data protection> act, so why should they expect the courtesy of anonymity that they do not> give their patients. Isn't breaking patient confidentiality a striking> off offense? Maybe they should be investigated.

I see we are thinking along the same lines, Lilian......

The patient who had the myocardial infarction has told the GMC that she also had a myocardial infarction 4 years ago, when she was on no thyroid hormone replacement, before she was even diagnosed and she is stomping mad that her GP has sent her name to them without even asking her permission. The other 4 patients are also extremely angry that they had not given permission to have their names passed on to the GMC as making a complaint against him.

I know, this is all a bit hypothetical, but I was just looking up how to make a complaint against a doctor to the GMC and apparently any of the below points would suffice...

http://www.gmc-uk.org/concerns/making_a_complaint/faqs.asp#should

These are examples of the types of cases where we may need to act:

· serious or repeated mistakes in carrying out medical procedures or in diagnosis, such as prescribing drugs in a dangerous way

· failure to examine a patient properly or to respond reasonably to a patient's needs

· fraud or dishonesty

· serious breaches of a patient's confidentiality

· any serious criminal offence

If you are not sure if your complaint is one that we should look at, just ask us – see our Fitness to Practise contact details.

Question to any of our legally minded members…. - would not giving permission to have ones name and history passed on (even if it were to another doctor) count as a serious breach of patient confidentiality? Just because the members of the GMC panel are (presumably) also doctors does not give a GP the right to pass on confidential information about a patient to my mind …. but I'm not a lawyer.

[Guest guest]

If he's been exonerated - that's it. Finish. How can this be allowed? I am fuming, it's like a witch-hunt

[Guest guest]

I do think this is basically harassment now, and indeed stressful for patients.

I have said as much in my letter to the GMC. If the mission of the GMC is to

protect the health of patients and promote good practice and education in

medicine they have failed in that mission with regards to thyroid health. Just

looking at anyone's blood test results IS RIDICULOUS when they are presenting

symptoms. Someone is winding these GP's up to write letters, especially if the

patients themselves have not complained about Mr Skinner. I would like to see Mr

Skinner bring a charge of harassment against these GPs, the complaints are

unfounded, end of.

>

> This really makes my blood boil and is highly unethical, Dr Skinner was

completely exonerated after years of being pursued, were this a normal 'court of

law' you could not just keep putting people on trial on these trumped up

charges.

[Ed]

[Guest guest]

They are reporting Dr Skinner for treating using thyroid

hormone, we should be reporting all of those doctors for NOT treating using

thyroid hormone replacement. They are the one's who are killing us.

Dr Skinner is the one who diagnosis by signs, symptoms, family

history, clinical examination and follows these up with a blood test. These

idiot doctors will only diagnose if their TFT's are outside of the reference

range, and will only titrate treatment according to numbers on a bit of paper,

and damn their patients symptoms and signs and to hell with giving them a

clinical examination.

Sorry, ranting - but I am seeing RED!

Luv - Sheila

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Subject: Re: Dr. Skinner - they just wont let

go.

This really makes my blood boil and is highly

unethical, Dr Skinner was completely exonerated after years of being pursued,

were this a normal 'court of law' you could not just keep putting people on

trial on these trumped up charges.

I am currently thinking - is there not a mechanism by which we thyroid patients

can put in complaints to the GMC regarding our treatment by certain doctors and

ask for their practices to be investigated?

Can we not collate the names of these doctors and work out the main offenders

and ask for the scandelous mis-treatement we receive from them to be

investigated?

Debs

>

> I have just sent out a message to all members explaining the reason, or at

> least, the bit that we know so far.

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[Guest guest]

Sheila

I am also seeing red over this one, I listened to the 'conventional' doctors and

now am more ill than I have been in ages. We have to start getting together and

reporting these doctors - it is they who should be investigated.

Debs (very annoyed)

>

> They are reporting Dr Skinner for treating using thyroid hormone, we should

> be reporting all of those doctors for NOT treating using thyroid hormone

> replacement.

[Guest guest]

Debs, I have just been saying the very same thing! My blood is boiling and

goodness only knows the state of the poor person - in light of this - who has

had the cardiac issue! And what exactly are the confidentiality/patient rights

here? Where's the legal advice for these 'infringed' people?

Please let someone find some way of collating names of sneaky docs/ endos who

have insulted, ignored/neglected and sneered at us. I think a protagonist might

be one of those who think we're 'just menopausal, fat and depressed'; at very

least these Salem-type views seem to have stemmed from this attitude. One of

his cohorts, who I have seen locally, is much the same (don't know how I didn't

punch his 'lights out'... and then suggest it must have been my long untreated

" hypo rage " ! I am going to prepare my 'story' of 30+ years of abuse.)

A huge word of warning - BEWARE - if anyone is thinking of taking these people

on big time because it can get into the realms of that which only TV movies

delve. It was the grossly unfair/corrupt legal shenanigans lasting 8+ years

which finally and fully brought out my [existing signs/symptoms, yet simmering

away in the background] hypothyroidism. Its a bad, wicked path that Dr Skinner

has found himself on... I hope everyone does whatever they can in support of

this fine stalwart!

Onward and upward... yet again!

[Guest guest]

Cowards I suspect. We cannot know who they are until the

Hearing. But they will have to give their names then if they are to give

evidence, and without giving evidence, they have no case.

Sheila

Are we allowed to

know the names of those 4 doctors who have put in a complaint, Sheila? –

or are they cowardly hiding behind anonymity? If we knew their

names, perhaps we could circulate them with a health warning and a big, fat

heading " avoid like the plague " ..... oh, I am soo angry!!

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[Guest guest]

Could well be that patient would not have had a heart attack had she been prescribed thyroxine.   Lilian

The patient who had  the myocardial infarction has told the GMC that she also had a myocardial infarction 4 years ago, when she was on no thyroid hormone replacement, 

[Guest guest]

This is being looked into, but the GMC have given such short

notice people are not able to get the evidence they need, but it will all come

out at the Hearing. I have attended every single hearing of Dr Skinner's over

the past 7 years, whether these have been in London or Manchester, and this is

the only one I cannot attend as Dr Skinner is doing his Yorkshire Clinic at my

cottage, starting 22nd February.

Luv - Sheila

Well they have breached patient confidentiality, and the data protection

act, so why should they expect the courtesy of anonymity that they do not give

their patients. Isn't breaking patient confidentiality a striking

off offense? Maybe they should be investigated.

Lilian

I

am appalled too - and I am convinced the short notice he has been given

to drag him in front of the panel yet again is to prevent as much public

support as possible.

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[Guest guest]

All the GMC Panel members are NOT all doctors . A lot

of people are bringing up this same point and I am shocked that the GMC would

even go so far as arraigning Dr Skinner before their Panel if such a braking of

patients confidentially had taken place. I would have thought the GMC would

have learnt their lesson in the Myhill case.

Luv - Sheila

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In thyroid treatment , Lilian <lilian15@...> wrote:

> Well they have breached patient confidentiality, and the data protection

> act, so why should they expect the courtesy of anonymity that they do not

> give their patients. Isn't breaking patient confidentiality a striking

> off offense? Maybe they should be investigated.

I

see we are thinking along the same lines, Lilian......

The patient who had the myocardial infarction has told the

GMC that she also had a myocardial infarction 4 years ago, when she was on no

thyroid hormone replacement, before she was even diagnosed and she is stomping

mad that her GP has sent her name to them without even asking her permission.

The other 4 patients are also extremely angry that they had not given

permission to have their names passed on to the GMC as making a complaint

against him.

I know,

this is all a bit hypothetical, but I was just looking up how to make a

complaint against a doctor to the GMC and apparently any of the below

points would suffice...

http://www.gmc-uk.org/concerns/making_a_complaint/faqs.asp#should

These are examples of the types of cases where we may need to

act:

·

serious or repeated mistakes in carrying out medical procedures

or in diagnosis, such as prescribing drugs in a dangerous way

·

failure to examine a patient properly or to respond reasonably

to a patient's needs

·

fraud or dishonesty

·

serious breaches of a patient's confidentiality

·

any serious criminal offence

If you are not sure if your complaint is one that we should look

at, just ask us – see our Fitness to Practise

contact details.

Question

to any of our legally minded members…. - would

not giving permission to have ones name and history passed on (even if it

were to another doctor) count as a serious breach of patient confidentiality?

Just because the members of the GMC panel are (presumably) also doctors does

not give a GP the right to pass on confidential information about a patient to

my mind …. but I'm not a lawyer.

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[Guest guest]

He was exonerated by the last Panel of 'judges'. They set up

another Panel of judges and just start up all over again.

Luv - Sheila

If he's been exonerated - that's it. Finish. How can this be

allowed? I am fuming, it's like a witch-hunt

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[Guest guest]

It all sounds very similar to the situation Dr Myhill had.

Miriam

> I am horrified that Dr Skinner has to go through this again. Surely the

doctors concerned are taking a big professional risk here.They have given names

and medical details to the GMC without the patient`s knowledge or permission.

[Guest guest]

Debs - by being a member of TPA, we are here to help you get

back your health, so tell us what is happening to you, what symptoms you are

suffering and signs, what medications/supplements you are taking and when they

were last increased, what tests you have had done recently and tell us the

results of those tests and give us the reference range for each of the tests

done.

We can't have you continuing to be ill under such doctors who

have not even been properly trained in the field of endocrinology or have any

understanding of the glands in your body and how they work. We are showing more

and more that TPA is the place to come if you want to regain your optimal

health again.

Don't keep us in the dark.

Luv - Sheila

Sheila

I am also seeing red over this one, I listened to the 'conventional' doctors

and now am more ill than I have been in ages. We have to start getting together

and reporting these doctors - it is they who should be investigated.

Debs (very annoyed)

>

> They are reporting Dr Skinner for treating using thyroid hormone, we

should

> be reporting all of those doctors for NOT treating using thyroid hormone

> replacement.

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[Guest guest]

Honestly, it really is ridiculous and I think it's beyond time now that we all

got together and started to collate this information. We have to play these

doctors at their own game...

Take care and lets start looking at how we can get this infor together and

make it work..

Debs

>

>

>

> Debs, I have just been saying the very same thing! My blood is boiling and

goodness only knows the state of the poor person - in light of this - who has

had the cardiac issue!

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Sheila

I have put my story on here and got a bit of advice from you all for which I am

grateful. My thyroid problem has gone on since I was 10/11 years old -

nightmare.

Gave up all meds last year - big mistake to say the least. Trying to treat

myself again now - re-started Nature-Throid January now just upped it to 2 gains

a day but still deteriorating. I think I have really damaged the fragile system

by giving up the meds and it will take a considerable time before I can even get

back to where I was.

Very poorly at the moment but know I can be better than this - it's just how the

hell do I get there?

Waiting for some DHEA at the moment as well, am hoping this will help.

Don't think there is a way to go back to old posts on this forum and just too

tired and run down to write it all out again. Do now know I have Hashi's thanks

to you guys on here - no doctor has ever told me that! Hoping I can get better

but feeling like death warmed up and really, really fed up

jeez...

Debs

>

> Debs - by being a member of TPA, we are here to help you get back your

> health, so tell us what is happening to you, what symptoms you are suffering