Re: Dr. Skinner - they just wont let go.

[Guest guest]

>> These are examples of the types of cases where we may need to act:

> · failure to examine a patient properly or to respond> reasonably to a patient's needs> Don't you think most GPs of the forum members would be guilty of this one? I know mine is.

I have emailed to support Dr Skinner

[Guest guest]

Hi Debs

This was your first post:-

thyroid treatment/message/96452

Bob

>

>

> Hey Sheila

>

> I have put my story on here and got a bit of advice from you all for which I

am grateful. My thyroid problem has gone on since I was 10/11 years old -

nightmare.

>

>

[Guest guest]

How can this happen to the poor man AGAIN? Why are they so afraid of him?

I went to see Dr Skinner for the second time today & when he told me that he was

being brought up against the GMC again I was very shocked & upset for him. This

is a total disgrace. It is not even the patients that have brought these

complaints to the GMC it's their blinkin doctors that have some sort of grudge

against him. If my doctor had done this I would be demanding that the complaint

is retracted!

Since I've seen him in November 2011 I have gone from feeling like a near zombie

to a human being again!

What this so called professional body are doing is tantamount to bullying!

My husband & I will be sending a letter of support over the weekend.

[Guest guest]

The GMC has had to apologise to Dr Myhill for similar breaches of patient

confidentiality:

http://www.supportdrmyhill.co.uk/gmc_apology.html

There is a great deal of information on this website about Dr Myhill's case,

which has many parallels with Dr Skinner's.

Miriam

> Question to any of our legally minded members…. - would not giving

> permission to have ones name and history passed on (even if it were to

> another doctor) count as a serious breach of patient confidentiality?

> Just because the members of the GMC panel are (presumably) also doctors

> does not give a GP the right to pass on confidential information about a

> patient to my mind …. but I'm not a lawyer.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Bob - that's a fairly good rough guide to my thyroid in the one post!

Put myself back on Nature-Throid very slowly, progressed to 2 grains this week

but still no improvements yet.

Thanks to this forum have discovered I have Hashi's - why no doctor has ever

mentioned this I don't know but assume because they've been so busy telling me

there is nothing wrong with me!

Feel awful, it's going to take some time to even get back to where I was I

think. Still the DHEA arrived this morning - a lot of hope is being placed in

this!

Thanks again

Debs

>

> Hi Debs

>

> This was your first post:-

>

> thyroid treatment/message/96452

>

> Bob

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Debs. Go to 'Messages' in the group web site http://health.//group/thyroid treatment

and in the 'Messages' section, type your email address into the little search

engine and all your messages come up. I will go and have a look. If it looks

too overwhelming for you, ask Derren to help.

However, in the meantime, promise me that you will go through

the following list to find what might be stopping you from getting better, by

way of a process of elimination. No matter how much thyroid hormone you are

taking, whether it is synthetic or natural, if you are suffering with any of these, the thyroid

hormone cannot be properly utilised at the cellular level and you will continue

with your present symptoms.

There

are MANY reasons and many medical conditions associated with thyroid disease

that stop thyroid hormone from getting into the cells, where it does its work.

I mention these over and over and over again - ad nauseum - people must be

bored with the same old stuff, but as each new member joins us, they need to

know about these.

The main condition

responsible for stopping thyroid hormone from working is, quite simply, a

patient’s thyroid hormone dose is too low because the doctor or

consultant refuses to increase it, because the serum thyroid function test

results appear OK. Sometimes, the thyroxine dose is too high, yet patients

still don't feel well. They continue to suffer. Some reasons for this:

1. You may be suffering with low adrenal

reserve. The production of T4, its conversion to T3, and the receptor uptake

requires a normal amount of adrenal hormones, notably, of course, cortisone.

(Excess cortisone can shut production down, however.) This is what happens if

the adrenals are not responding properly, and provision of cortisone usually

switches it on again. But sometimes it doesn’t. If the

illness has been going on for a long time, the enzyme seems to fail. This

conversion failure (inexplicably denied by many endocrinologists) means the

thyroxine builds up, unconverted. So it doesn’t work, and T4

toxicosis results. This makes the patient feel quite unwell, toxic, often with

palpitations and chest pain. If provision of adrenal support doesn’t

remedy the situation, the final solution is the use of the active thyroid

hormone, already converted, T3 - either synthetic or natural. You can check for

such a possibility by going to the FILES SECTION of our forum http://health.grouops//thyroid treatment/files/

and scroll down to the folder entitled 'Medical Questionnaires' and complete

the Adrenal one. Let us know how you score. You can also get the 24 hour

salivary adrenal profile from Genova Diagnostics. See the File entitled

'Discounts on Tests and Supplements'. When ordering, write that Thyroid Patient

Advocacy is your medical practitioner. They will send out a kit to you and the

results will be sent direct to you. When you receive these, post the results on

the forum with the reference ranges and we will help with their interpretation.

2. Then, we have systemic candidiasis. This is

where candida albicans, yeast, which causes skin infections almost anywhere in

the body, invades the lining of the lower part of the small intestine and the

large intestine. Here, the candida sets up residence in the warmth and

the dark, and demands to be fed. Loving sugars and starches, candida can

make you suffer terrible sweet cravings. Candida can produce toxins which

can cause very many symptoms of exhaustion, headache, general illness, and

which interfere with the uptake of thyroid and adrenal treatment.

Sometimes the levels - which we usually test for - can be very high, and make

successful treatment difficult to achieve until adequately treated. As above,

do the 'Candida Questionnaire' and let us know how you score, and again, you

can be tested by Genova Diagnostics to give you diagnosis.

3. Then there is receptor resistance which

could be a culprit. Being hypothyroid for some considerable time may

mean the biochemical mechanisms which permit the binding of T3 to the

receptors, is downgraded - so the T3 won’t go in. With slow build

up of T3, with full adrenal support and adequate vitamins and minerals, the

receptors do come on line again. But this can be quite a slow process,

and care has to be taken to build the dose up gradually.

4. And then there are Food allergies. The most

common food allergy is allergy to gluten, the protein fraction of wheat. The

antibody generated by the body, by a process of molecular mimicry, cross reacts

with the thyroperoxidase enzyme, (which makes thyroxine) and shuts it

down. So allergy to bread can make you hypothyroid. There may be other

food allergies with this kind of effect, but information on these is

scanty. Certainly allergic response to certain foods can affect adrenal

function and imperil thyroid production and uptake.

5. Then we have hormone imbalances. The whole

of the endocrine system is linked; each part of it needs the other parts to be

operating normally to work properly. An example of this we have seen

already, with cortisone. But another example is the operation of sex

hormones. The imbalance that occurs at the menopause with progesterone

running down, and a relative dominance of oestrogen is a further case in point

– oestrogen dominance downgrades production, transportation and uptake of

thyroid hormones. This is why hypothyroidism may first appear at the

menopause; the symptoms ascribed to this alone, which is then treated –

often with extra oestrogen, making the whole thing worse. Deficiency in

progesterone most especially needs to be dealt with, since it reverses

oestrogen dominance, improves many menopausal symptoms like sweats and mood

swings, and reverses osteoporosis. Happily natural progesterone cream is

easily obtained: when used it has the added benefit of helping to stabilise

adrenal function.

6. Then, there is the possibility of mercury

poisoning, caused through amalgam fillings - these might need to be removed but

you need to seek a Dentist who specialises in the removal of amalgam fillings.

7. One of the main reasons why thyroid hormone

is not being utilised at the cellular level is because you might be suffering

with low levels of iron, transferring saturation%, ferritin, vitamin B12,

vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc - these have to be tested

for, and treated.

When you have been quite

unwell for a long time, all these problems have to be dealt with, and since

each may affect the other, it all has to be done very carefully.

Ask your doctor to work

with you to help you find the cause. The balancing of these variables is as

much up to you as to your doctor – which is why a check of morning, day

and evening temperatures and pulse rates, together with symptoms, good and bad,

can be so helpful. To this end, check out Dr Rind's Metabolic Metabolic

Temperature Graph http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

If your doctor tries to

tell you that low levels of the above mentioned nutrients have nothing to do

with your low thyroid state, copy out the following of just a few references to

the research/studies that have been done to show that there is a very big

connection. Doctors are not taught about this at medical school, so we have to

help them where we can - so they, in turn, can help their other patients.

Low iron/ferritin: Iron

deficiency is shown to significantly reduce T4 to T3 conversion, increase

reverse T3 levels, and block the thermogenic (metabolism boosting) properties

of thyroid hormone (1-4). Thus, iron deficiency, as indicated by an iron

saturation below 25 or a ferritin below 70, will result in diminished

intracellular T3 levels. Additionally, T4 should not be considered adequate

thyroid replacement if iron deficiency is present (1-4)).

1.

Dillman E, Gale C, Green W, et al. Hypothermia in iron deficiency due to

altered triiodithyroidine metabolism. Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative

Physiology 1980;239(5):377-R381.

2.

SM, PE, Lukaski HC. In vitro hepatic thyroid hormone deiodination

in iron-deficient rats: effect of dietary fat. Life Sci 1993;53(8):603-9.

3.

Zimmermann MB, Köhrle J. The Impact of Iron and Selenium Deficiencies on Iodine

and Thyroid Metabolism: Biochemistry and Relevance to Public Health. Thyroid 2002;12(10):

867-78.

4.

Beard J, tobin B, Green W. Evidence for Thyroid Hormone Deficiency in

Iron-Deficient Anemic Rats. J. Nutr. 1989;119:772-778.

Low vitamin B12: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18655403

Low vitamin D3: http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/113/3/329

and http://www.goodhormonehealth.com/VitaminD.pdf

Low magnesium: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC292768/pdf/jcinvest00264-0105.pdf

Low folate: http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/47/9/1738

and http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/thy.1999.9.1163

Low copper http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm

http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

http://www.rjpbcs.com/pdf/2011_2(2)/68.pdf

http://ajplegacy.physiology.org/content/171/3/652.extract

Low zinc:http://www.istanbul.edu.tr/ffdbiyo/current4/07%20Iham%20AM%C4%B0R.pdf

and http://articles.webraydian.com/article1648-Role_of_Zinc_and_Copper_in_Effective_Thyroid_Function.html

· NOTE: When

your blood tests come back, ask your doctor for a copy and remember to always

get the reference range and post them on the forum. This is because doctors

will often tell you that there is not a problem because blood tests have come

back within the reference range. You need to know where about in the reference

range they are. We will again, help with their interpretation.

· Vitamin B12

levels for both men and women need to be at the top of the range in a reference

interval of around 175 -900.

· Vitamin D3

levels need to be about 50.

· Magnesium

levels need to be at the top of the range

I have put my story on here and got a bit of advice from you all for

which I am grateful. My thyroid problem has gone on since I was 10/11 years old

- nightmare.

Gave up all meds last year - big mistake to say the least. Trying to treat

myself again now - re-started Nature-Throid January now just upped it to 2

gains a day but still deteriorating. I think I have really damaged the fragile

system by giving up the meds and it will take a considerable time before I can

even get back to where I was.

Very poorly at the moment but know I can be better than this - it's just how

the hell do I get there?

Waiting for some DHEA at the moment as well, am hoping this will help.

Don't think there is a way to go back to old posts on this forum and just too

tired and run down to write it all out again. Do now know I have Hashi's thanks

to you guys on here - no doctor has ever told me that! Hoping I can get better

but feeling like death warmed up and really, really fed up

jeez...

Debs

>

> Debs - by being a member of TPA, we are here to help you get back your

> health, so tell us what is happening to you, what symptoms you are suffering

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

So kind of you to get back to me - thank you. I don't like to keep bombarding

the board with my own questions as there are so many people needing help/advice

and I feel that I should be able to work it our for myself - I've lived with it

long enough! I think I'm also very good at self-blame - aided and abetted by the

doctors I've seen through the years I still have a large emotional part of my

brain that tells me I must be imagining it, they can't all be wrong and it must

be a defect in me. Intellectually I know this is crap but…

I've managed over the last few years to get some improvements and prior to

giving up the meds was having a 3/4 month period every year when I was almost

well - I was on 3 grains of Nature-Throid at this point. Although I have to say

that when the improvement initially kicked in I was on conventional thyroxine

and the sudden lifting of the symptoms did not appear to be related to anything

I had done - subsequent deteriorations follow the same pattern (excluding my

stupidity in stopping the meds)nothing I had done seemed to trigger it.

I was convinced about reverse T3, persuaded my end to let me try it, tried to

follow 's protocol and got really ill! end then refused to prescribe it

and to be honest I didn't object as I really felt awful on it and am a bit wary

of trying this again.

My adrenal reserves are low, I also have an adrenal adenoma, I intend to try

DHEA for this as I know for certain I am deficient in DHEA and all the sex

hormones. I had the Genova salivary test done which confirmed I was low

(although not as low as I was expecting) results are on one of my previous

posts.

I have excluded Candida although I do avoid candida rich foods - may be part of

the problem but not the whole story. I have also excluded Gluten - I had myself

tested properly for this so am sure it's not a cause. I am very intolerant to

carbohydrate and to lactose.

I think my hormones are well out of balance and was prescribed HRT at the age of

39 - I believe this has contributed significantly to furthering my problems and

it was only after being put on HRT and thyroxine that I lost so much of my hair.

I don't react well to progesterone and did try it for a while.

I had low levels of vitamin D and was treated for this, never followed up by the

doctors of course, but recently I found some old high dose vit D I had been

prescribed and have started taking them - 3 more weeks left! I believe my

vitamin levels were checked when I was in Barts but I don't have any ref ranges

although some results - I was told all were fine except vit D. I now take high

strength Solgar multi vit daily. I will speak to my doctor when I see her about

re-testing vitamin levels but won't hold my breath although my GP may well do it

for me.

Since stopping my meds on top of the usual symptoms we all get I am having

trouble with my eyes - sore, gritty, red etc - am awaiting 'urgent' referral to

have them tested to make sure that stopping the meds hasn't triggered anything.

I am also in agony with my joints and muscles and cannot do my usual exercise -

this is something I have always done no matter how ill I have become so I am

very worried about this. Another 'new' and unwelcome symptom is a burning

sensation in my legs and arms.

I have all the usual things associated with this problem - high cholesterol,

tryglicerides, BP etc.

My body swells and bloats so I am currently trying to source more information

about thyroid acropachy/pretibial problems - many doctors have been fascinated

by my swollen, red hands - none have offered an explanation of course but my

skin, hair, nails etc are quite a problem - may be related to this but quality

information beyond the peripheral stuff is hard to find. I am suspicious though.

Despite years of hefty exercise my muscles appear to be wasting away.

This forum also helped me to see that I do have Hashi's - I had no idea and this

would explain my mixed symptoms through the years I think. How could I not be

told I had Hashi's???

My GP has asked for my end to bring my appointment forward (not due to see her

until May) I don't think this will be of any help whatsoever. I am also waiting

for the eye appointment.

I am ploughing on with the Nature-Throid at the moment, it took a long time for

me to deteriorate having come off the meds so I am working on the assumption

this is how my thyroid functions and that it will take months to see any

improvements.

I have now received the DHEA I ordered and will start this today - very low dose

5 sublingual to start - this may regulate my adrenals etc but again it's going

to be a slow process.

Am really, really fed up with it all to be honest, as I get older I see less

hope, but I do think, despite what the doctors have told me through the years,

that these problems are all thyroid related. So I have that little bit of fight

left and am going to keep on with what I am doing in the hope it will kick in

soon.

Like so many of you on here - I would so like to have a life - is it possible? I

just don't know - have I made things impossible to resolve by stopping the meds

just when I was getting that little bit of respite from it all and if so can I

reverse it?

Debs (having written this I've just realised how miserable I am about it all!)

>

> Hi Debs. Go to 'Messages' in the group web site

> http://health.//group/thyroid treatment and in the

> 'Messages' section, type your email address into the little search engine

> and all your messages come up.

[Guest guest]

Debs it is well known that some people feel absolutely no better

effects after starting DHEA, sometimes for up to 3 months, so don't become

impatient. It will help you but you might think it is not. Make sure you are

taking Selenium 200mcgs daily with food, a good vitamin B complex, zinc 15mgs

daily and 2/3000mgs vitamin C as well. Also, do a check of all those associated

conditions I just sent you to make sure you are not suffering with any of

those.

Luv - Sheila

Thank you Bob - that's a fairly good rough guide to my thyroid in the one post!

Put myself back on Nature-Throid very slowly, progressed to 2 grains this week

but still no improvements yet.

Thanks to this forum have discovered I have Hashi's - why no doctor has ever

mentioned this I don't know but assume because they've been so busy telling me

there is nothing wrong with me!

Feel awful, it's going to take some time to even get back to where I was I

think. Still the DHEA arrived this morning - a lot of hope is being placed in

this!

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheila

I am very impatient at the moment but do know it all takes time - also I am

starting on a very, very low dose until I am sure I am okay with it. Quality

Solgar high strength multi-vitamin plus prescription strength vitamin D at the

moment.

Checking all those other things too - just utterly exhausted and slow so it's a

bit of a struggle.

Thanks

Debs

>

> Debs it is well known that some people feel absolutely no better effects

> after starting DHEA, sometimes for up to 3 months, so don't become

> impatient. It will help you but you might think it is not. Make sure you are

> taking Selenium 200mcgs daily with food, a good vitamin B complex, zinc

> 15mgs daily and 2/3000mgs vitamin C as well. Also, do a check of all those

> associated conditions I just sent you to make sure you are not suffering

> with any of those.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Thank you Bob - that's a fairly good rough guide to my thyroid in the one

> post! Put myself back on Nature-Throid very slowly, progressed to 2 grains

> this week but still no improvements yet.

>

> Thanks to this forum have discovered I have Hashi's - why no doctor has ever

> mentioned this I don't know but assume because they've been so busy telling

> me there is nothing wrong with me!

>

> Feel awful, it's going to take some time to even get back to where I was I

> think. Still the DHEA arrived this morning - a lot of hope is being placed

> in this!

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Debs

I read your other post and kind of know how you feel: I'm usually pretty much

fine but, right now, I'm way down.

Yes, this has got to stop - please someone find a way - because at the back of

many minds, quite aside from the horrendous injustice, we're terrified that one

day - without Dr Skinner and the other brave few - 'they' will get their way and

we'll all be left with horror.

Thanks again for your kind thought: you take care - very best wishes xox

> Honestly, it really is ridiculous and I think it's beyond time now that we all

got together and started to collate this information. We have to play these

doctors at their own game...

[Guest guest]

You would wonder if there is a case of 'Harassment' that could be made against

the GMC with suitable compensation.

F

>

> How can this happen to the poor man AGAIN? Why are they so afraid of him?

> I went to see Dr Skinner for the second time today & when he told me that he

was being brought up against the GMC again I was very shocked & upset for him.

This is a total disgrace. It is not even the patients that have brought these

complaints to the GMC it's their blinkin doctors that have some sort of grudge

against him. If my doctor had done this I would be demanding that the complaint

is retracted!

> Since I've seen him in November 2011 I have gone from feeling like a near

zombie to a human being again!

> What this so called professional body are doing is tantamount to bullying!

> My husband & I will be sending a letter of support over the weekend.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, my husband recently went on a data protection course at work, and he thinks

the use of someone's personal records is in breach of data protection. I wonder

if the NHS has some get out clause about data protection, or will this apply to

the use of patients records too? And if it is against the rules, will it be

allowed to be used in a court as evidence, being as it is an illegal source of

evidence. Or is there's an elite that is above the law in this country? Maybe

the patients concerned could take some legal advice at a citizens advice centre

or some similar service?

love janet

[Guest guest]

Data protection and data sharing is a very grey area. I suspect that in this

case, I think that data sharing would be deemed " appropriate " as the health and

well-being of patients is (supposedly!) at stake.

I work in a different field, but I can (and regularly do) share data with other

organisations on even just a hunch that a person is at risk of abuse or is

currently being abused. The broad principle is that if it is for the benefit of

the individual ( " client " ), or it is to prevent a crime, it is good practice to

share.

More detailed information from the ICO:

http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisations/data_protection/topic_guides/data_sharin\

g.aspx

I am very cross that Dr Skinner is up before the GMC again, both because he

personally has more to battle, and because it is a waste of public money to

pursue this when he has been cleared before. I wish that I could support him,

but as I am not a patient of his, and I am feeling well without his

intervention, there is not a lot that I can offer.

My best wished are with you, Dr Skinner!

[Guest guest]

Hi

I read somewhere in Hansard that over 70's may require 'quality assurance'

testing (for hospital docs/GPs). Is this not the 'magic' silver bullet, whereby

they [GMC] will insist Dr Skinner be subjected to 'assessment' [following those

conveniently contrived 'complaints'] which he's previously refused? Day after

70th b'day is a bit of a coincidence, eh?

Aside from breaching their own procedure with only 3 days notice, this whole

thing stinks. Whatever the GMC said in exoneration of this fine doctor, seems

they're no different/better than snivels who continue to hound Dr Skinner;

fortunately he's made of sterner stuff!

Email and copy in post going to GMC... yes, without Dr Skinner many of us would

be 'done in' by now. Wonderful, wonderful man!

How can this happen to the poor man AGAIN? Why are they so afraid of him?

[Guest guest]

>

> Data protection and data sharing is a very grey area. I suspect that in this

case, I think that data sharing would be deemed " appropriate " as the health and

well-being of patients is (supposedly!) at stake.

>

>Hi ,

I think the question here is how you define a vulnerable person who does not

have the capacity to take responsiblilty for their decisions.

I am not the lady involved in this case, but this is what I feel about the data

sharing of information (without permission) about an adult who is not suffering

from any mental disability and the case does not involve any vulnerable person

such as a child. My health and well-being is my responsiblilty, this is where

the buck stops.

What comes to my mind is where does this end, if someone wants to make a

contraversial decision of their own free will and does not have any mental

problems that make them vulnerable. If we are in charge of our own lives then

the decisions that we make should stand, they are our decisions about our lives.

If an official then decides that the decision I have made about my life is

inappropriate then it really is not their business, it is my life, my decision.

I am happy to listen to any argument about why I should or should not take a

course of action but ultimately -surely - what I decide to do is up to me?

If my GP thinks I have made the wrong decision about my chosen doctor or my

treatment then I must say it is my life, my body, I live in it not them, I am

responsible for my own decision. Is the nhs able to dictate what treatment we

take or do not take, is it mandatory?

So why then would it be right for the GP to use my records to complain on my

behalf? Are we free people or is this a police state?

[Guest guest]

HI

When one considers the short time before the hearing and the lack of opportunity

for Dr. Skinner to arrange a defense, this is medicine's version of the kangaroo

court or show trial....

It is most important for all those who have yet to be saved from suffering and

all those who have been saved and dependent upon the security of their T3

therapy to support Dr. Skinner in writing, or better, at the GMC hearing.

Many physicians have been booted out of medicine merely because they disagree

with others or simply because they are better.

Save yourselves,

>

> Hi

>

> I read somewhere in Hansard that over 70's may require 'quality assurance'

testing (for hospital docs/GPs). Is this not the 'magic' silver bullet, whereby

they [GMC] will insist Dr Skinner be subjected to 'assessment'

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[Guest guest]

Hi Janet you put it very well -no it is not mandatory to take treatment offered

-we have " choice' -believe it or not . It is also up to us to decide which

doctors we put our trust in . You can correct me -but as far as I Know GP's are

in fact private individuals who hire out their services to the NHS .

Confidentiality is in " he duties of a doctor registered under the GMC " Exceptions

are -in a court of law -welfare of children -when a serious crime has been

committed . As far as I can see these don't apply and are the GMC's own rules.

All patients have to give consent when having an operation or any treatment

and doctors are told that " the autonomy of the individual is paramount " . If you

think of banks -they are very strict on data protection the same should apply

here .

[Guest guest]

I want carrot cake now!

I do completely agree with you that who treats you is your choice. I am

self-treating without my GP knowing about it. But my GP doesn't know about it

precisely because I would be labelled as

hypochondriac/hysterical/delusional/hysterical/vulnerable if he were to know.

That may not be right, but it is fact.

Personally, I would hate for my data to be shared in relation to my decision to

self-treat. I have considered options carefully, along with the potential risks,

and I have made an educated decision about my own care.

My GP, however, could (in theory) feel that I have been unduly influenced by

information on the internet, that I don't fully understand the endocrine system

and the risks of hypERthyroidsism, or that by buying prescription medication

from the internet, I am putting myself in danger. In his eyes, that would

certainly make me a risky and/or vulnerable patient and in his professional

capacity, it would be negligent not to act to " protect " me.

While I am in no way defending GPs and Endocrinologists, they do have a duty of

care and they must take action when they think something is wrong, no matter how

misguided that may be!

All I can hope for is that Dr Skinner wins again and that his proper care of

thyroid patients will somehow begin to propagate though the NHS.

As for whether we are free people or whether this is a police state, well, I

increasingly fear the latter. But the details are way too off topic for this

board and I would suggest that if people want to know more, that they start by

reading about the internet, the world wide web, and why they are different

things.

>

> So why then would it be right for the GP to use my records to complain on my

behalf? Are we free people or is this a police state?

>

[Guest guest]

What about if you change doctors.   You do not have to give consent for your records to be transferred to a new doctor.   Lilian

[Guest guest]

> > Maybe they want to try and discredit the register of counter-examples too?

> > Miriam

>

Dr Skinner must have know it would make him a target if he involved himself in

gathering data for the register. He is a very brave man to take on the

establishment.