DHEA

May 6, 2005

Hi:

My DHEA also tested low (I'd never been tested for this before) so now I'm

taking DHEA and I think it's helping although it's hard to tell as I'm

recovering from surgery. it does seem that it is helping and am not having the

hair loss that I was getting. I have to admit that from what I had read about it

I was really concerned about taking the DHEA but perhaps without it I would

really be a bad mess from my surgery rather than just a small mess.

Re: DHEA

rudedog89@...<mailto:rudedog89@...> wrote:

> I have started supplementing

> my DHEA. My immunologist checked me and found out that my DHEA production

> was nil. I'm not sure what the normal numbers are for my age and sex but

> I do know zero is not consistent with life for long. Our DHEA is a

> hormone that has a great deal to do with the energy production in our

> cells...at least this is what I got from his explanation. The production

> of this hormone declines as we get past our prime years as potential

> child producers (men included). So I reluctantly started taking - (yet

> another pill)! To my surprise, it has seemed to help. I don't seem to be

> as knocked down by the fatigue, although I still have my really bad days.

> For women, 25 mg is the suggested dosage and men should take 50 mg. I'd

> love to hear if anyone else has tried or benefitted from this.

Hi, Teena!

I have been using DHEA for a couple of years now. There is a

precaution: if you have or have had any hormone-sensitive cancers or

precancerous lesions, you should not be taking the regular form of DHEA,

which serves as a precursor to all of the sex hormones. I couldn't take

more than 10 mg/day of DHEA without starting to get a mustache and acne

(at 51, I need acne like a hole in the head :@). Another supplement to

consider if you are low in sex hormones but don't want to do HRT is

Pregnenolone, the " mother hormone " .

I switched to the " 7-Keto " form of DHEA about 8 months ago (in addition

to Pregnenolone), and found I tolerated it much better (@ 25 mg/day) and

still get the energy boost from it.

Like any other energy booster, I have to be careful not to overexert

myself just because I'm feeling incrementally better! (I have a long

history of crash-n-burn from overdoing things.) Just remember Dr.

Collinge's " 50% rule " : take stock of how you are feeling, decide what

you can reasonably hope to accomplish today, do 50% of that, and stop.

Rest the remainder of the day. This simple (but hard to do!) technique

has helped me avoid crashes more than any treatment, and I've tried a

good many of them.

Hope this helps!

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October 9, 2005

In a message dated 09/10/2005 14:12:45 GMT Daylight Time, eeejay174@... writes:

has anyone any info on the above associated for help and suppoet with adrenal stress - big precursor is night sweats and anxiety - my boys have both and i was interested in using some if any felt it had proved beneficial

>>>Hi Emma

Its one of those things I have heard of but never investigated. There is some info on adrenal stress at this site (shop)

http://www.modernherbalist.com/adrenal.html

Sorry no help

Mandi in Dorset

May 23, 2006

Hi Sara,

Interesting, I went and looked at my labs. My DHEA was 80 with a reference

value of 45-320. I wonder if that is in fact my problem, since I am definitely

on the low end. I do remember the doctor originally advising me to take DHEA,

but then we went back through my supplements and eliminated all that weren't

absolutely necessary (because of finances and the fact that I am still

breastfeeding). I guess we shouldn't have eliminated this one. Do you know

anything else about DHEA? How it works? What it's purpose is in the body? Or

maybe just have a good website or book you can recommend?

Thanks so much,

Dawn

DHEA is sort of a quick-and-dirty form of adrenal support. It's the > main

thing the adrenals produce. If your adrenals aren't making > enough of it, you

may not metabolize thyroid well -- and that might > be why it's wiping you

out.> > Other forms of adrenal support are also helpful. But the DHEA is >

something very effective you can do cheap and quick to get things > back into

balance -- if, indeed, adrenals are the problem. If they're > not, and it

doesn't help, just stop taking it.> > Sara

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May 23, 2006

On May 23, 2006, at 12:11 PM, Dawn Munn wrote:

> Hi Sara,

>

> Interesting, I went and looked at my labs. My DHEA was 80 with a

> reference value of 45-320. I wonder if that is in fact my problem,

> since I am definitely on the low end. I do remember the doctor

> originally advising me to take DHEA, but then we went back through

> my supplements and eliminated all that weren't absolutely necessary

> (because of finances and the fact that I am still breastfeeding).

> I guess we shouldn't have eliminated this one. Do you know

> anything else about DHEA? How it works? What it's purpose is in

> the body? Or maybe just have a good website or book you can

> recommend?

>

It's been so long since I had to pay much attention to it that you'd

probably get as much out of a Google search as I would. I know it's

the main adrenal hormone -- an androgenic steroid that is the

precursor for most of the other stuff the adrenals manufacture. DHEA

levels are high in youth, and start to drop off significantly in

middle age.

Men make and need a lot more of it than women do. A lot of people

tout it for normals as a panacea for old age, but some doctors find

that claim dubious and advise caution. However, for people like us,

who have good reason to believe that our adrenals aren't doing the

job, it can be a very useful thing.

It's also fairly inexpensive as supplements go, and widely available

in health food stores in the US. (In Canada, it's Rx only.)

Dr. Shames, who has some notoriety as an authority on silent

thyroid, put me on Armour. The day I started taking it, I tanked

hard, and called him in a mild panic. He said, basically: Do three

things. Take licorice root. Push ginseng. And go get some DHEA.

He said that this reaction pointed to likely adrenal issues. However,

diagnosing adrenal problems is an expensive, subtle, and complicated

business for most doctors -- a whole can of worms of its own. (Which

has proven to be the case in the years that followed.) In the

meantime, he said, the three home remedies above pulled about 60% of

his reactive patients out of their tailspin in no time. If they work,

he said, great. If they don't, then you need to stop taking the

thyroid until a full adrenal workup can be done.

Fortunately, for me, it worked like a dream. I was up and going the

next day. Over the next year, as the thyroid soaked through my system

and my dosage increased, I kept feeling better and better.

Sara

May 28, 2006

Sara

Which type of ginseng do you use?Do you use licorice and ginseng continually

together everyday or do you give breaks or alternate them?

thanks.

Nil

>

> Dr. Shames, who has some notoriety as an authority on silent

> thyroid, put me on Armour. The day I started taking it, I tanked

> hard, and called him in a mild panic. He said, basically: Do three

> things. Take licorice root. Push ginseng. And go get some DHEA.

>

> He said that this reaction pointed to likely adrenal issues. However,

> diagnosing adrenal problems is an expensive, subtle, and complicated

> business for most doctors -- a whole can of worms of its own. (Which

> has proven to be the case in the years that followed.) In the

> meantime, he said, the three home remedies above pulled about 60% of

> his reactive patients out of their tailspin in no time. If they work,

> he said, great. If they don't, then you need to stop taking the

> thyroid until a full adrenal workup can be done.

>

> Fortunately, for me, it worked like a dream. I was up and going the

> next day. Over the next year, as the thyroid soaked through my system

> and my dosage increased, I kept feeling better and better.

>

> Sara

>

May 28, 2006

On May 28, 2006, at 10:37 AM, yildiz wrote:

>

> Sara

>

> Which type of ginseng do you use?Do you use licorice and ginseng

> continually

> together everyday or do you give breaks or alternate them?

I don't use either consistently. I just add them to my diet when the

opportunity strikes.

For me, they proved to be slow-acting, low-grade solutions compared

to the DHEA. They're nice supplementary side dishes, but they can't

be counted on to do the job at the level I need it done.

Sara

December 11, 2006

I've been out of the anti-aging loop for a while. I had a question about DHEA

and pregnenalone: is there any consensus about when these should be taken

(morning, night, divided dose)? I thought that DHEA was highest in your blood in

the very early morning (while you are still asleep). Would that mean it would be

wise to take it after your body is done manufacturing what it can? Thanks for

your help. (Also: is it stiill considered wise to take these things?).

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August 14, 2008

There are hundreds of dhea brands and distributers, and its not unlawful to

import the supplement into London by the way, but it is to stock it otc.

Google it and get the cheapest price.

An example of something closer to you is www.bulknutrition.com

DHEA

This may be a question about brands that isn't allowed but I'll try it anyway.

Years ago I took DHEA sold by GEN.

That company is based in London and it is now unlawful to sell DHEA there.

I have been unable to find a brand that is equal.

i.e. that brings my blood levels up

and has few side effect.

Anyone have a favorite brand?

Anyone tried the script DHEA from Canada?

Thanks,

Ann

August 14, 2008

Guess I mislead you about my location.

I'm in the USA.

There were some studies at a University in Pennsylvania and they used

the GEN brand of DHEA.

They tried several manufacturers and

GEN was the one they found did the things it was supposed to do with the least

side effect.

GEN in London no longer manufacters it.

I know there is all kinds of brands of DHEA.

But from what I can find out,

all of the DHEA that we have in the United States now comes from China .

It's all the same except for fillers and whatever else the companies decide to

do.

I guess without a means do do regular bloods work for levels there is no way

to

evaluate.

All these other brands so far cause increased facial hair.

I've tried

LEF Maybe their other products are good but their DHEA doesn't raise blood

levels or do anything

Pure

Lab

and several others.

Guess I'd continue Pure and/ or Lab.

I'm trying saw palmetto (how ever you spell it) to counter act the mustache.

Thanks for replying. I'll look at bulk nutrition.

I still think the way to go would be a script from Canada because since DHEA

is a prescription drug there, it is monitored for quality.

Ann

:

There are hundreds of dhea brands and distributers, and its not

unlawful to import the supplement into London by the way, but it is to stock it

otc.

Google it and get the cheapest price.

An example of something closer to you is www.bulknutrition.com

DHEA

This may be a question about brands that isn't allowed but I'll try it anyway.

Years ago I took DHEA sold by GEN.

That company is based in London and it is now unlawful to sell DHEA there.

I have been unable to find a brand that is equal.

i.e. that brings my blood levels up

and has few side effect.

Anyone have a favorite brand?

Anyone tried the script DHEA from Canada?

Thanks,

Ann

September 29, 2008

DHEA is a prescription drug in Canada , brand name " Prestara " .

Non-prescription DHEA is band in Canada.

DHEA may not lengthen life.

However, it does decrease inflammation, decrease belly fat, and improve mood.

I am extremely deficient in DHEA. Blood levels run 10 ug/dL.

Extremly low levels are common in autoimmune diseases.

It's hard to believe Schiff brand would be any better than Lab, or Pure

or LEF or BioSynergy.

They buy it in bulk from China and just put it in capsules.

Thanks for your reply.

Ann

I get mine online from Costco

It definitely works and brand is Schiff

350 tablets 25 mg about $11 if I remember

also has 1mg Resveratrol in each tablet

1-800-526-6251 for Schiff

To the best of my knowledge DHEA is banned in Canada

Kirk

newann2006 <anbwsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

Does anyone have any ideas

on how to get prescription DHEA from Canada?

According to what I can find,

ALL the DHEA in the USA

comes from the same source in China

and is very impure.

The only difference in the USA's DHEA is the price.

Many years ago I had a good brand that was manufactured in England.

It did everything it was supposed to do and had no side effects and

it raise my DHEA blood levels up to normal. I felt great.

Then the Government and Drug companies forced them to stop making

DHEA.

Since then DHEA in the USA has, for me,

all the side effects and none of the benefits.

It doesn't raise my blood level of DHEA.

I saw an article in Mercola that the US FDA had approved prescription

DHEA but that's evidently not true.

At least I can find nothing about it.

Ann

> > > >

> > > > > Our medical profession and pharmaceudical

> > > industry

> > > > > should be directed toward wellness and not

> > > repair. This is

> > > > > not all that difficult to follow. Agreed?

> > > >

> > > > Since 400 BC, western physicians have worked according

> > > to the

> > > > Hippocratic Oath, which forbids them from doing harm.

> > > Interfering with

> > > > the biology of an already healthy person might cause

> > > harm to that

> > > > person, violating The Oath.

> > > >

> > > > This is why western doctors want to fix you when

> > > you're broken, and why

> > > > they want to leave you alone when you're well.

> > > >

> > > > -gts

>

> --

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September 29, 2008

I dont claim Schiff is better but I know it works for me.

I phoned them and asked if it is from China and they said yes but no worries

as they have an employee in the plant there (in China) doing QC.

They are very aware of problems re Chinese products.

I just thought $11 is cheap.

Kirk

Ann <anbw@...> wrote:

DHEA is a prescription drug in Canada , brand name " Prestara " .

Non-prescription DHEA is band in Canada.

DHEA may not lengthen life.

However, it does decrease inflammation, decrease belly fat, and improve mood.

I am extremely deficient in DHEA. Blood levels run 10 ug/dL.

Extremly low levels are common in autoimmune diseases.

It's hard to believe Schiff brand would be any better than Lab, or Pure

or LEF or BioSynergy.

They buy it in bulk from China and just put it in capsules.

Thanks for your reply.

Ann

I get mine online from Costco

It definitely works and brand is Schiff

350 tablets 25 mg about $11 if I remember

also has 1mg Resveratrol in each tablet

1-800-526-6251 for Schiff

To the best of my knowledge DHEA is banned in Canada

Kirk

newann2006 wrote:

Does anyone have any ideas

on how to get prescription DHEA from Canada?

According to what I can find,

ALL the DHEA in the USA

comes from the same source in China

and is very impure.

The only difference in the USA's DHEA is the price.

Many years ago I had a good brand that was manufactured in England.

It did everything it was supposed to do and had no side effects and

it raise my DHEA blood levels up to normal. I felt great.

Then the Government and Drug companies forced them to stop making

DHEA.

Since then DHEA in the USA has, for me,

all the side effects and none of the benefits.

It doesn't raise my blood level of DHEA.

I saw an article in Mercola that the US FDA had approved prescription

DHEA but that's evidently not true.

At least I can find nothing about it.

Ann

> > > >

> > > > > Our medical profession and pharmaceudical

> > > industry

> > > > > should be directed toward wellness and not

> > > repair. This is

> > > > > not all that difficult to follow. Agreed?

> > > >

> > > > Since 400 BC, western physicians have worked according

> > > to the

> > > > Hippocratic Oath, which forbids them from doing harm.

> > > Interfering with

> > > > the biology of an already healthy person might cause

> > > harm to that

> > > > person, violating The Oath.

> > > >

> > > > This is why western doctors want to fix you when

> > > you're broken, and why

> > > > they want to leave you alone when you're well.

> > > >

> > > > -gts

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@ ...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

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>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

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September 29, 2008

Large " brands " that order in bulk preform a COA, Certificate of Analysis

to verify the product. I've been involved in a bulk order of synthetic

trans-resveratrol from a Chinese manufacturer contracted to manufacture

it for us, and we did several kinds of COAs to verify we were getting

what we ordered both with the sample we initially got and the final product.

Steve

Kirk McLoren wrote:

>

> I dont claim Schiff is better but I know it works for me.

> I phoned them and asked if it is from China and they said yes but no

> worries as they have an employee in the plant there (in China) doing QC.

> They are very aware of problems re Chinese products.

> I just thought $11 is cheap.

>

> Kirk

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September 30, 2008

Hi Steve:

On a related topic: How is that resveratrol working out for you? Have

you noticed a difference?

Kind Regards, JIm

Steve wrote:

> Large " brands " that order in bulk preform a COA, Certificate of Analysis

> to verify the product. I've been involved in a bulk order of synthetic

> trans-resveratrol from a Chinese manufacturer contracted to manufacture

> it for us, and we did several kinds of COAs to verify we were getting

> what we ordered both with the sample we initially got and the final

> product.

>

> Steve

>

> Kirk McLoren wrote:

> >

> > I dont claim Schiff is better but I know it works for me.

> > I phoned them and asked if it is from China and they said yes but no

> > worries as they have an employee in the plant there (in China) doing QC.

> > They are very aware of problems re Chinese products.

> > I just thought $11 is cheap.

> >

> > Kirk

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@... <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net>

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

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> <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html>

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

October 13, 2008

I don't remember if I replied to this before, but no, as with most most

things I take, I don't notice a difference. I am following the

research, such as it is, as it becomes available. As a result, I cut

back from 750-1000 mg/day to about 200 mg/day.

Steve

Jim wrote:

>

> Hi Steve:

>

> On a related topic: How is that resveratrol working out for you? Have

> you noticed a difference?

>

> Kind Regards, JIm

>

> Steve wrote:

>

> > Large " brands " that order in bulk preform a COA, Certificate of Analysis

> > to verify the product. I've been involved in a bulk order of synthetic

> > trans-resveratrol from a Chinese manufacturer contracted to manufacture

> > it for us, and we did several kinds of COAs to verify we were getting

> > what we ordered both with the sample we initially got and the final

> > product.

> >

> > Steve

> >

> > Kirk McLoren wrote:

> > >

> > > I dont claim Schiff is better but I know it works for me.

> > > I phoned them and asked if it is from China and they said yes but no

> > > worries as they have an employee in the plant there (in China)

> doing QC.

> > > They are very aware of problems re Chinese products.

> > > I just thought $11 is cheap.

> > >

> > > Kirk

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November 29, 2009

If cortisol upregulates the virus anything which will increase cortisol

production might also upregulate it. Pregnenolone is mother of hormones so it

will have effect of increasing cortisol.I am not sure about DHEA.Steroid

pathyway needs to be checked. Question one has to ask himself before

supplementing these is `Do i have low cortisol or not? " " Do i have low DHEA or

not? " .I don't think having normal amounts of hormones in the body is a problem

and if one is deficient than it is normal to supplement some.I am low in both

cortisol and dhea so i am supplementing cortisol and pregnenolone. I don't think

those will upregulate anything as long as my body hormone levels are normal.

best wishes

cindi

November 30, 2009

Hi Cindi,

I completely agree with you. We have to assume that normal levels of cortisol

does not put us at additional risk. This is an assumption because the verifying

studies have not been completed and the current knowledge about XMRV and

cortisol and androgens has not been fully disclosed or possibly, even fully

understood yet.

So all conversation about hormones and XMRV is still SPECULATION and not

sufficient to KNOW for a fact how to proceed. We can make our best guess but

there is not a sufficient foundation to make solid decisions.

I am beginning to think that it was irresponsible for WPI/Dr. Mikovits to even

mention cortisol and hormones without disclosing more information, even

preliminary information, as people are making decisions based on VERY, VERY

little.

, if you see this, can you tell us how you know that pregnenolone activates

XMRV? Since you have been privy to the study, is there information that has

been shared with you that outlines the relationship? Even if it is preliminary

information, I think it would allay many fears if the relationship was

disseminated. The tiny bit about cortisol and hormones from an interview is not

enough to base decisions on. Has there been written info that I have missed

outlining the relationship between ANY hormones and XMRV?

Thanks,

Marti

>

> If cortisol upregulates the virus anything which will increase cortisol